[Mailman-Users] Mailing list limits
Dear all We (small Swiss NGO) would like to add further mailing lists to our lists on Mailman. As soon as we hit http://lists.okaj.ch/mailman/create:, this error message follows: "lscgid: execve():/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/create: Permission denied“. Is there any way to extend the number of lists we have? Thanks for your help, I am still pretty new to this system and don’t yet know all the ins and outs. Thanks for your inputs Jessica -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Mailing List Membership Reminder displays Asterisks
Good day, Our institution runs version: 2.1.34 The mailing lists memberships reminder mail going out to subscribed members displays all the passwords as asterisks: List Password // URL lis...@lists.com https://lists.com/mailman/options/list01/1.j.vandyk%40com lis...@lists.com https://lists.com/mailman/options/list02/1.j.vandyk%40com I would like to set the emails to display the passwords but cannot find the setting or info on how to accomplish it. Would you perhaps be able to guide me in the correct direction? Thank you, Jaco -- <https://www.ru.ac.za> Jaco van Dyk Lead Systems Administrator: I/Division t: +27 (0) 46 603 8288 Struben Building, Artillery Rd, Grahamstown, 6139 PO Box 94, Grahamstown, 6140, South Africa www.ru.ac.za -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Mailing List Bounce Issues
Hello, I am the mailing list administrator for a charity cycling team. The list currently has about 150 members. The list and our website is hosted by a local ISP who is running Mailman 2.1.34. We seem to be having all too frequent occurrences of multiple bounces that seem to be related only to the domain of the address recipient. Previously we have had issues with AOL.com and Mindspring.com email domains. The main result of these are disabled subscriptions due to excessive bounces. The latest in this continuing saga occurred on Monday morning when I received notification that 12! list members with Yahoo.com email domain addresses had been unsubscribed from the list! I am assuming that this is the sum total of ALL yahoo addresses in our list. The interesting thing about this occurrence other than losing the name associated with the email address (since the members were unsubscribed not just disabled) is that I NEVER received ANY bounce notifications other than the unsubscribe notification. I find this quite odd and unsettling considering that the list shows that it IS configured to send earlier bounce notifications and I have received them in the past... just not leading up to this latest incident. The typical error message is: jonxx_daj...@yahoo.com has been removed from MSing-ride. (disabled address) So I guess that my question is whether or not these types of problems are now endemic to all email lists or ifOur ISP is technically "challenged" and 1. Doesn't know how to properly configure Mailman to send out the requested notifications. 2. Continues to get blacklisted for sending SPAM even though they don't. Thanks for any insight. Steve ------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list "Mailman" mandatory?
On 3/7/19 12:23 PM, Davide Marchi wrote: Anyway, only just to prevent mistakes from our new members (that are not really technicians..), could you suggest me how is it possible to hide it from the list web page? You can not display it on the listinfo and admin web overview pages by setting it's Privacy options... -> Subscription rules -> advertised setting to No. However the listinfo overview page will still say If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact mail...@example.com. and the admin overview will say (Send questions and comments to mail...@example.com.) Changing that address would require modifying the code. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan Well, very thanks Mark, this solve my "big" problem! :-D Thanks again! Davide ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list "Mailman" mandatory?
On 3/7/19 12:23 PM, Davide Marchi wrote: > Anyway, only just to prevent mistakes from our new members (that are not > really technicians..), > could you suggest me how is it possible to hide it from the list web page? You can not display it on the listinfo and admin web overview pages by setting it's Privacy options... -> Subscription rules -> advertised setting to No. However the listinfo overview page will still say If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact mail...@example.com. and the admin overview will say (Send questions and comments to mail...@example.com.) Changing that address would require modifying the code. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list "Mailman" mandatory?
mailman-users-requ...@python.org ha scritto: On 3/6/19 10:22 AM, Davide Marchi wrote: Hi Friends, and excuse me for my silly question! I've read from a non official documentation, here: https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-and-configure-mailman-with-postfix-on-debian-squeeze that "Before we can start to use Mailman, we must create a mailing list called mailman; this is obligatory - without it Mailman won't start:" is this information right? Or is it mandatory to start up Mailman and then (after the new lists creation) it can be removed? Mailman 2.1 requires the site list, normally named 'mailman'. In a new installation, you need to create this list before you can start Mailman. Typically, you create it with Mailman's bin/newlist command. And no, you can't remove it. Well! Anyway, only just to prevent mistakes from our new members (that are not really technicians..), could you suggest me how is it possible to hide it from the list web page? Thanks again Davide Marchi -- cosmogoniAcosmogoniA logo n o p r o v a r e n o f a r e o n o n f a r e n o n c e p r o v a r e ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list "Mailman" mandatory?
On 3/6/19 10:22 AM, Davide Marchi wrote: > Hi Friends, and excuse me for my silly question! > > I've read from a non official documentation, here: > https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-and-configure-mailman-with-postfix-on-debian-squeeze > > that "Before we can start to use Mailman, we must create a mailing list > called mailman; this is obligatory - without it Mailman won't start:" > > is this information right? > Or is it mandatory to start up Mailman and then (after the new lists > creation) it can be removed? Mailman 2.1 requires the site list, normally named 'mailman'. In a new installation, you need to create this list before you can start Mailman. Typically, you create it with Mailman's bin/newlist command. And no, you can't remove it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan ---------- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailing list "Mailman" mandatory?
Hi Friends, and excuse me for my silly question! I've read from a non official documentation, here: https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-and-configure-mailman-with-postfix-on-debian-squeeze that "Before we can start to use Mailman, we must create a mailing list called mailman; this is obligatory - without it Mailman won't start:" is this information right? Or is it mandatory to start up Mailman and then (after the new lists creation) it can be removed? Many thanks and excuse again! Davide ------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailing List Bounce Problems
Hey everyone. The mailing list archive issue that I was inquiring about is a pretty low-volume list. When looking into the archive problem, i saw there were some messages listed in /var/lib/mailman/logs/post that I never received. When looking at the member list, most of my list members were no longer receiving emails due to excessive bounces. I have it set to notify the admin (my gmail account) when a user is disabled, but I've never received a notification. I enabled notification when a message I send to the list is sent out, and I receive that notification, but nobody receives the message. Admin emails from mailman go through just fine, but any message posted to the list does not. I have an IMAP email account on the same server which hosts the mailman instance, and it seems to get all my test messages that I post just fine, but all yahoo, windstream, gmail, etc get bounced. an example line from the /var/log/mail.info file is: Sep 10 12:49:21 bunsen postfix/smtp[4616]: 0DF621C375: to=<web-p60...@mail-tester.com>, relay=mail-tester.com[94.23.206.89]:25, delay=2.6, delays=0.03/0.07/0.86/1.6, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mail-tester.com[94.23.206.89] said: 550 Message Contains SUSPECT Content :: Please contact ab...@fortressitx.com for further information. (in reply to end of DATA command)) I've been using the services at mail-tester.com to ensure that my domain keys, DMARC, and SPF are all set well. You can see those results here (http://www.mail-tester.com/web-p6036H). I deleted the entire mailing list after exporting the 114 email address, and remade the list, and it behaves the same. The odd thing is, I have another mailing list on the same server with only 6 members, and it seems to be working fine! Any clue where to look? I've contacted ab...@fortressitx.com and received no reply. Thanks, Kevin Nowaczyk -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Bounce Problems
On 09/10/2015 08:19 AM, Kevin Nowaczyk via Mailman-Users wrote: > I have it set to notify the admin (my gmail > account) when a user is disabled, but I've never received a > notification. Was bounce_notify_owner_on_disable set to yes before the member's delivery was disabled? If so, what does your postfix log say about the notification mail to you? > I enabled notification when a message I send to the > list is sent out, and I receive that notification, but nobody > receives the message. And what does postfix say about those deliveries, assuming the member's delivery was enabled. Note that if you are posting from Yahoo and you don't have DMARC mitigations enabled for your list, that is likely a reason. See the wiki at <http://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC> and <http://wiki.list.org/x/17891458>. > Admin emails from mailman go through just fine, > but any message posted to the list does not. I have an IMAP email > account on the same server which hosts the mailman instance, and it > seems to get all my test messages that I post just fine, but all > yahoo, windstream, gmail, etc get bounced. > > an example line from the /var/log/mail.info file is: > > Sep 10 12:49:21 bunsen postfix/smtp[4616]: 0DF621C375: > to=<web-p60...@mail-tester.com>, > relay=mail-tester.com[94.23.206.89]:25, delay=2.6, > delays=0.03/0.07/0.86/1.6, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host > mail-tester.com[94.23.206.89] said: 550 Message Contains SUSPECT > Content :: Please contact ab...@fortressitx.com for further > information. (in reply to end of DATA command)) So the MX at mail-tester.com is not accepting the mail because they say the Message Contains SUSPECT Content. Only they can tell you why. But is this a list message? If so, why is it being relayed to mail-tester.com. What are some log messages for mail to list members that is undeliverable?. -- Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] FW: Your confirmation is required to leave the Mailman-Users mailing list
This is the second time I've received one of these. I'm told the only way one of these could be generated is if there's a URL published out there that does this when a bot crawls it, or if someone deliberately tried to unsubscribe me. Given that I've only had two in five months, I assume it must be the latter. It doesn't matter, but I'm curious about what would motivate someone to do that. Did anyone else get one recently? I've never had one for any other lists I'm on. Peter Shute -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org] On Behalf Of mailman-users-confirm+9c0f272e65a3675ab914d10f23c7a0c62d6c3...@python.org Sent: Monday, 16 February 2015 6:19 PM To: Peter Shute Subject: Your confirmation is required to leave the Mailman-Users mailing list Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list Mailman-Users We have received a request from 132.230.1.27 for the removal of your email address, psh...@nuw.org.au from the mailman-users@python.org mailing list. To confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing list ... etc ... If you do not wish to be removed from this list, please simply disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously removed from the list, or have any other questions, send them to mailman-users-ow...@python.org. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Your confirmation is required to leave the Mailman-Users mailing list
On 02/16/2015 12:48 PM, Peter Shute wrote: This is the second time I've received one of these. I'm told the only way one of these could be generated is if there's a URL published out there that does this when a bot crawls it, or if someone deliberately tried to unsubscribe me. There's another scenario that's more likely. See, e.g. the post at https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2014-October/077947.html. In this post, you quote a prior post which you received from the list and from which you did not remove the list footers including an 'Unsubscribe' link to your user options page. This sends your 'Unsubscribe' link to every list member and in turn some of these recipients forward it who knows where. Ultimately, someone receives it and thinks she wants to unsubscribe from what ever is sending her these, follows the link to your options page and clicks the Unsubscribe button on that page. Spiders won't do this because even though they will follow the link to your options login page, they won't post the form, but people who receive that message directly or indirectly will. Always remove list footers from quoted material before replying (if your MUA doesn't do it automatically), and this scenario can't happen. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Your confirmation is required to leave the Mailman-Users mailing list
Thanks, that's most likely the answer. I've never thought to remove them other than to tidy up the message, and on some of the mail clients I use, it's so much effort that I don't bother. I looked at messages from a couple of other mailman lists I'm on, and they don't have the unsubscribe link, so that explains why it hasn't happen with those. Peter Shute -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org...@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2015 9:17 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Your confirmation is required to leave the Mailman-Users mailing list On 02/16/2015 12:48 PM, Peter Shute wrote: This is the second time I've received one of these. I'm told the only way one of these could be generated is if there's a URL published out there that does this when a bot crawls it, or if someone deliberately tried to unsubscribe me. There's another scenario that's more likely. See, e.g. the post at https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2014-October/ 077947.html. In this post, you quote a prior post which you received from the list and from which you did not remove the list footers including an 'Unsubscribe' link to your user options page. This sends your 'Unsubscribe' link to every list member and in turn some of these recipients forward it who knows where. Ultimately, someone receives it and thinks she wants to unsubscribe from what ever is sending her these, follows the link to your options page and clicks the Unsubscribe button on that page. Spiders won't do this because even though they will follow the link to your options login page, they won't post the form, but people who receive that message directly or indirectly will. Always remove list footers from quoted material before replying (if your MUA doesn't do it automatically), and this scenario can't happen. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list address
On 09/03/2013 07:33 AM, Drew Tenenholz wrote: For example, they kind of really want the same FROM: for a group of four lists. At the same time, they want the digest subscribers for those four lists to see the FROM as common_name-dig...@domain.tld. So for 'message' subscribers the From: should be rewritten from the poster to the common name? I've looked into the CookHeaders.py file, and that is certainly the place to make any changes BUT there I'm pretty certain that making the changes we're talking about will have downstream effects on: I would use a custom handler rather than CookHeaders, but neither will take care of the digests. Digests would require mods to Mailman.Handlers.ToDigest.send_i18n_digests(). The mods could be simple where mlist.GetRequestEmail() in mimemsg['From'] = mlist.GetRequestEmail() and rfc1153msg['From'] = mlist.GetRequestEmail() is replaced by get_munged_from(mlist) where get_munged_from is something imported from your custom handler, both in the interest of making the change to ToDigest.py as small as possible and DRY. 1) automated processing of subscription requests sent via email They wouldn't be affected as they aren't processed through the handler pipeline. 2) automated processing of bounces The handler could set the 'envsender' attribute in the message metadata to the original LISTNAME-bounces address, but this isn't necessary because the default comes from a list method and isn't affected by headers. 3) processing of posts (my lists are announce-only, so less imperative to me) I don't see this as an issue as long as the From: munging Handler comes after Moderate (and maybe Hold for admindb From: display) in the pipeline. 4) the upgrade process, which would wipe out the changes and would need to be re-implemented after upgrades (which means reading the new file and re-integrating the changes, not a simple re-insertion of the modified code). A custom Handler doesn't have this issue. Also, CookHeaders.py is a file used by ALL lists in a given installation and I don't think there is any list-by-list way to make changes. Custom handlers can be enabled on a list by list basis. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9 on custom handlers. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] mailing list address
Hello, When I send a message out through the mailing list, the sent by address alwayse seems to be listname-bounces@hostname. Is it possible to remove the bounces apendation from the sent name so that it only shows listname@hostname? Regards, Ben Joyner -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list address
Ben -- Oddly enough, I've just been asked to do something similar. In my case, the problem is that they want some of these headers changed around and we have 10-12 lists that sort of relate to each other. For example, they kind of really want the same FROM: for a group of four lists. At the same time, they want the digest subscribers for those four lists to see the FROM as common_name-dig...@domain.tld. I've looked into the CookHeaders.py file, and that is certainly the place to make any changes BUT there I'm pretty certain that making the changes we're talking about will have downstream effects on: 1) automated processing of subscription requests sent via email 2) automated processing of bounces 3) processing of posts (my lists are announce-only, so less imperative to me) 4) the upgrade process, which would wipe out the changes and would need to be re-implemented after upgrades (which means reading the new file and re-integrating the changes, not a simple re-insertion of the modified code). Also, CookHeaders.py is a file used by ALL lists in a given installation and I don't think there is any list-by-list way to make changes. So, if Mark or others with more experience have ideas on how to do this without upsetting the apple cart, I'd be happy to hear about them. -- Drew Tenenholz At 9:37 AM -0400 9/3/13, benjamin_joy...@ao.uscourts.gov wrote: Hello, When I send a message out through the mailing list, the sent by address alwayse seems to be listname-bounces@hostname. Is it possible to remove the bounces apendation from the sent name so that it only shows listname@hostname? Regards, Ben Joyner -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] mailing list address
benjamin_joy...@ao.uscourts.gov writes: When I send a message out through the mailing list, the sent by address alwayse seems to be listname-bounces@hostname. Is it possible to remove the bounces apendation from the sent name so that it only shows listname@hostname? It's technically possible, but you really don't want to do that, because then all the various automatically-generated admin traffic, which now can be automatically handled *because* listname-bounces is a different mailbox, will be distributed to list members.[1] The underlying issue is that the mail clients your list members are using are poorly behaved by design (they do things differently from all other clients in the history of email). What well-behaved mail clients do is display the From field (the actual author), and suppress the Sender field and the envelope sender.[2] I wish I could recommend switching email programs (they're most likely Microsoft products, which are an attractive nuisance in several ways), but it's not worth it. Footnotes: [1] Strictly speaking some of it will get caught by the administrivia filter and the list owner will have to deal with it. But it's pretty much certain that a fair amount will make it through to the members, confusing and annoying them, and possibly revealing somewhat private information like So-and-so isn't reading their mail and their mailbox overflowed. [2] This behavior makes a lot of sense, it's not just traditional. It's quite analogous to the way that secretaries discretely indicate that they sign routine correspondence on behalf of their bosses by appending a slash and their initials (in lower case, even). What Microsoft email programs do is the equivalent of the secretary signing letters with Lowly Secretary on behalf of Bigname Lawyer Of course it's possible to find out the sinder information (with a halfway decent mail program, anyway), but you only want to do that when you're having mail problems. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List is down
Nick Wells wrote: Our mailing list is down. Whenever someone tries to send an email, there is an error message received. What does the message say? I'm also not able to connect to our mail server. Is this an issue on our end or is Mailman experiencing problems? If you can't connect to the mail server, that has nothing to do with Mailman. The server is down or there is some problem with the MTA on that server. Is there anything to do about this? Contact the people who admin/support your server. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] mailing list subscription issue
Hi guys to suscribe to the mailing list i send the mail to list-requ...@lkx.com Then i get the mail with confirmation string , then i just reply to received mail with confirmation string in the subject line.. As a replay i get the mail like this [1] , But other mailing list in the same mailman gives the Welcome to mailing list message any idea what i suppose to do to fix the problem. [1] The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Results: Confirmation succeeded - Unprocessed: On 5/22/12, list-requ...@lkx.comh/1oyhbgn9reewd/?v=bcs=whto=commits-requ...@wso2.org list-requ...@lkx.comh/1oyhbgn9reewd/?v=bcs=whto=commits-requ...@wso2.org wrote: Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list Commits We have received a request from u...@lkx.comh/1oyhbgn9reewd/?v=bcs=whto=dhanush...@wso2.com for subscription of your email address, u...@lkx.comh/1oyhbgn9reewd/?v=bcs=whto=dhanush...@wso2.com, to the l...@lkx.com h/1oyhbgn9reewd/?v=bcs=whto=comm...@wso2.org mailing list. To confirm that you want to be added to this mailing list, simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to list-requ...@lkx.comh/1oyhbgn9reewd/?v=bcs=whto=commits-requ...@wso2.org : confirm 96d4463b2042555066a1d6632b6848adad7b9278 Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the right form (additional Re: text in the Subject: is okay). If you do not wish to be subscribed to this list, please simply disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, send them to list-ow...@lkx.comh/1oyhbgn9reewd/?v=bcs=whto=commits-ow...@wso2.org . Thank You -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list subscription issue
dhanushka ranasinghe wrote: to suscribe to the mailing list i send the mail to list-requ...@lkx.com Then i get the mail with confirmation string , then i just reply to received mail with confirmation string in the subject line.. As a replay i get the mail like this [1] , But other mailing list in the same mailman gives the Welcome to mailing list message any idea what i suppose to do to fix the problem. The list which sends a results of your email commands message with - Results: Confirmation succeeded in response to your confirmation email is configured to not send a welcome message. If you want to change this, set General Options - send_welcome_message to Yes in the list's web admin interface. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailing List
Hello, I have a mailing list on my Cpanel, but I don't want to log in every time to release the mails Is there any automatic way to release the mails other than me as the admin having to log in now and then? Description: Ronnie -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List
Ekesa Rhonnie wrote: I have a mailing list on my Cpanel, but I don't want to log in every time to release the mails Is there any automatic way to release the mails other than me as the admin having to log in now and then? You need to adjust whatever list settings are causing the posts to be held. What is the 'reason' (in the admindb interface and the notice to the admin) why the post is held? -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] mailing list probe message
Apologies if this problem has been dealt with before but I am unable to find an answer anywhere in the archives. I received an e-mail from a subscriber with the following message that he had received from our mailing list (sent by the list automatically). The message said, in part: == This is a probe message. You can ignore this message. The Tmflist mailing list has received a number of bounces from you, indicating that there may be a problem delivering messages to knuts...@new.rr.com. A bounce sample is attached below. Please examine this message to make sure there are no problems with your email address. You may want to check with your mail administrator for more help. . == I have never seen this before and, since our mailing list was set-up by the Web host, I'm not familiar with the set-up. I did see something about a probe in the archives but it was talking about something else. I'm concerned because the letter to the subscriber also contained his password, along with 121 other subscriber's e-mail addresses (the mailing list is over 8,000 subscribers). Any help would be appreciated. What is it that I am supposed to do to stop these e-mails being sent with the other addresses. (The list is a bit sensitive as far as who the subscribers are.) Thanks! Lee -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list probe message
On 6/18/2010 11:01 AM, Lee Underwood wrote: Apologies if this problem has been dealt with before but I am unable to find an answer anywhere in the archives. I received an e-mail from a subscriber with the following message that he had received from our mailing list (sent by the list automatically). The message said, in part: == This is a probe message. You can ignore this message. The Tmflist mailing list has received a number of bounces from you, indicating that there may be a problem delivering messages to knuts...@new.rr.com. A bounce sample is attached below. Please examine this message to make sure there are no problems with your email address. You may want to check with your mail administrator for more help. . == This is a bounce probe. Beginning with Mailman 2.1.5, the site has the option (default in 2.1.5, but not in 2.1.6+) of sending bounce probes to members who have bounced. This is controlled by the mm_cfg.py option VERP_PROBES. If VERP_PROBES = Yes, when a member's bounce score reaches the threshold instead of disabling delivery and starting the bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings cycle, we reset the bounce score and send a probe message like the above to the member with envelope from listname-bounces+token@..., and only if and when the probe with a token for that member bounces do we disable delivery and start the bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings cycle. I have never seen this before and, since our mailing list was set-up by the Web host, I'm not familiar with the set-up. I did see something about a probe in the archives but it was talking about something else. I'm concerned because the letter to the subscriber also contained his password, along with 121 other subscriber's e-mail addresses (the mailing list is over 8,000 subscribers). The standard probe message does not contain the member's password. It does contain the URL of the member's options page, but no password. If the member's password was included, that would be because the host service has modified their Mailman to include it. The other subscriber addresses were presumably in the DSN that caused the bounce that was attached to the probe. Any help would be appreciated. What is it that I am supposed to do to stop these e-mails being sent with the other addresses. (The list is a bit sensitive as far as who the subscribers are.) Thanks! Tell the hosting service to set VERP_PROBES = No in mm_cfg.py. Also, review your list's bounce processing settings since if the probe was successfully delivered, this was apparently a transient bounce situation (I can't say for sure without seeing the triggering DSN) and perhaps bounce_score_threshold is too low or bounce_info_stale_after is too long or both for this list. Also, you might suggest to the host that if DSNs are being returned to Mailman with 121 addresses, there might be some systemic email issue. Again, without seeing the DSN, I don't know whether or not this is the case. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list probe message
Mark Sapiro wrote: The standard probe message does not contain the member's password. It does contain the URL of the member's options page, but no password. If the member's password was included, that would be because the host service has modified their Mailman to include it. The above is not correct. Prior to Mailman 2.1.7, the member's password was included in the probe email. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailing list not sending to members
Hi everyone!! A problem I came up with is that when I was playing around with about 5 members on the list I was able to send out an email and the recipients were able to receive them too. However, when I added extra emails via mass subscription (approximately 150 from an old emailing list) nothing would happen afterwards when I try to send off an email. Basically, I send off an email to the mailing list address but the recipients won't receive anything at all, not even the initial 5 addresses that were working previously. The only thing that has changed is that I've initially had 5 members which had no problem but as soon as I added the 150 the recipients the problem started. Any ideas? Thanks! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list not sending to members
Further to my investigation, instead of mass subscribing 150 email addresses, I just only subscribed about 60 or so email addresses and the mail listing worked. Does that mean there is some sort of hard cap on the mailman program? I am using 2.1.12cp3 On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Dennis V dve...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone!! A problem I came up with is that when I was playing around with about 5 members on the list I was able to send out an email and the recipients were able to receive them too. However, when I added extra emails via mass subscription (approximately 150 from an old emailing list) nothing would happen afterwards when I try to send off an email. Basically, I send off an email to the mailing list address but the recipients won't receive anything at all, not even the initial 5 addresses that were working previously. The only thing that has changed is that I've initially had 5 members which had no problem but as soon as I added the 150 the recipients the problem started. Any ideas? Thanks! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list not sending to members
Dennis V wrote: Further to my investigation, instead of mass subscribing 150 email addresses, I just only subscribed about 60 or so email addresses and the mail listing worked. Does that mean there is some sort of hard cap on the mailman program? I am using 2.1.12cp3 There is a limit, but it is not imposed by Mailman. It is imposed either intentionally or via misconfiguration by your hosting service's mail system. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] FW: Welcome to the Mailman-Users mailing list (Digest mode)
mailman version 2.1.11. I have created a mailing list prat I am able to send a mail to to p...@domainname.com but not able to send mail to prat-requ...@domain.com. please suggest. From: mailman-users-bounces+prateek.govila=bluecoat@python.org on behalf of mailman-users-requ...@python.org Sent: Tue 4/20/2010 8:47 AM To: Govila, Prateek Subject: Welcome to the Mailman-Users mailing list (Digest mode) Welcome to the Mailman-Users@python.org mailing list! Don't forget to check out the Mailman FAQ Wiki at: http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Frequently+Asked+Questions and the searchable archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Posts from new subscribers will go through a human moderation process for the first few posts. Once you demonstrate that you are a real human being, you have read and understood the instructions, and are not just trying to spam the list, your moderation bit should be cleared. Also note that all posts made to the list will be publicly archived. In order to protect the integrity of the list archives, we do not routinely agree to remove or obscure posts that are in the archives. We only do this in exceptional circumstances such as if someone has posted personal/private information about someone else, or an obviously private e-mail has accidentally been posted to the list. The Mailman Security Policy is detailed in FAQ 1.27 at http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9. Before posting any messages to this mailing list, please make sure that you have read and understood this policy. To post to this list, send your email to: mailman-users@python.org General information about the mailing list is at: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/prateek.govila%40bluecoat.com You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: mailman-users-requ...@python.org with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: prateek123 Normally, Mailman will remind you of your python.org mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Welcome to the Mailman-Users mailing list(Digest mode)
Govila, Prateek wrote: I have created a mailing list prat I am able to send a mail to to p...@domainname.com but not able to send mail to prat-requ...@domain.com. What is your MTA? Does it use aliases to deliver to Mailman? If so, have you installed all 10 aliases for the prat list including the prat-request alias? Also note, you should change your mailman-users@python.org password now that you have exposed it to the entire world. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailing list
Can your program work on a Mac? Thank you. Leslie King This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 16:55, King, Leslie ltk...@emory.edu wrote: Can your program work on a Mac? Stick the word MacOS into the list search page: Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ and you'll find many hits - the first (for me) of which includes a link to installing it. -- Please keep list traffic on the list. Rob MacGregor Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list
King, Leslie wrote: Can your program work on a Mac? The short answer is yes. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/O4A9 -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, King, Leslie wrote: Can your program work on a Mac? You've already had a couple of answers. I have written (and it should be found in the archives) installation instructions for various recent versions of Mac OS X. That said, and with no idea of what your expectations and capabilities are, it is not a piece of consumer software that you just copy on to your Macintosh and double-click. You will be turning your Macintosh into a server (no, you don't need to have Mac OS X Server), you will need a mail server running, you will be downloading the Mailman source and building it (requires Mac OS X Developer Tools), you will be modifying the internal web server on your computer, and you will need to modify system startup files (Mailman runs in the background). In short, you need to be a reasonably skilled system administrator. -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list support
My question is can you tell me if there is someplace out there where we can create a mailing list? I am a novice at the mailing list so I could very easily be using the wrong terms, not too sure. What I am looking for is to create a list that our membership could subscribe and unsubscribe to through a secure web site that we could send out a monthly newsletter through and occasional other items. Our current address is ny-glenlake.org http://www.ny-glenlake.org/ . I try to keep this information as up to date as possible on our web site; however we have members who for various reasons are able to get e-mail but not look at web sites. Thank you in advance for any assistance that you might be able to provide. Terry Munk webmas...@ny-glenlake.org Hi Terry: I would like to take the time to invite you to check out our mailman services. I believe our service is exactly what you are looking for. You can get more information about our mailman list hosting at http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html. Feel free to contact me off list if you need more information. Have a great week. :^) Regards, Brian Carpenter EMWD.com http://blog.emwd.com/ Curious comments from a web hosting techie -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] mailing list support
Good day My name is Terry Munk and I manage the website for a small lake assoc. in upstate New York. Members have asked about the possibility of our having a mailing list set up to send out information to our membership. Our current host does not offer this service. We are a 501 C 3 not for Profit organization. My question is can you tell me if there is someplace out there where we can create a mailing list? I am a novice at the mailing list so I could very easily be using the wrong terms, not too sure. What I am looking for is to create a list that our membership could subscribe and unsubscribe to through a secure web site that we could send out a monthly newsletter through and occasional other items. Our current address is ny-glenlake.org http://www.ny-glenlake.org/ . I try to keep this information as up to date as possible on our web site; however we have members who for various reasons are able to get e-mail but not look at web sites. Thank you in advance for any assistance that you might be able to provide. Terry Munk webmas...@ny-glenlake.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem
The address t...@test.com is not a list. It is just a pop3 email account. They do appear in the archives at l...@test.com! Does 'l...@test.com' have any eligible recipients (non-digest members with delivery enabled and in some cases not an explicit addressee and not the poster). Did not understand what you mean by that. But since I did not add any addresses I am guessing no. What's in Mailman's vette log. I have no access to shell in server. I was not the one who installed Mailman. The administrator of that shell account does not know how to solve my problem so I looked for help myself. Thank you! Filipe. Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:40:28 -0700 From: m...@msapiro.net To: fzanl...@hotmail.com; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem Filipe Daros wrote: For example: My main e-mail address is t...@test.com and I created a list: l...@test.com. I also created a message filter that forwards any e-mail sent to t...@test.com and has the word hello on it's subject to the list l...@test.com. I tried changing generic_nonmember_action to accept but it still would hold the emails sent with that subject and the messages get held with the reason: Message has implicit destination. So again I tried changing require_explicit_destination to NO. But now when I send emails with that specific word on it's subject the e-mails seem to disappear. If I understand correctly, the problem is with the 'l...@test.com' list and the 't...@test.com' list works as expected. Also, if I understand, you have a process external to Mailman the sees a post to 't...@test.com' with 'hello' in the subject and forwards it to 'l...@test.com', and these posts were being held for implicit destination by the 'l...@test.com' list. You then set require_explicit_destination to NO on 'l...@test.com' which is one way to avoid the implicit destination hold, and now the posts forwarded to 'l...@test.com' just disappear. Do they appear in the archives of 'l...@test.com'? Does 'l...@test.com' have any eligible recipients (non-digest members with delivery enabled and in some cases not an explicit addressee and not the poster). What's in Mailman's vette log. See items 7, 8 and 9 in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9 for other possibilities. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan _ Conheça os novos produtos Windows Live! Clique aqui. http://www.windowslive.com.br -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem
I had set myself as a member. I thought you meant otherwise. I receive mails sent directly to the list, but not when messages get redirected by the filter. Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:33:51 -0700 From: m...@msapiro.net To: fzanl...@hotmail.com; mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem Filipe Zanluca Darós wrote: The address t...@test.com is not a list. It is just a pop3 email account. They do appear in the archives at l...@test.com! Does 'l...@test.com' have any eligible recipients (non-digest members with delivery enabled and in some cases not an explicit addressee and not the poster). Did not understand what you mean by that. But since I did not add any addresses I am guessing no. So there is no problem. The post was delivered to the list, accepted, archived and resent to all zero of the list members. Once there are some members, they will get it too. If your confusion is that you think the list owner should have received something, that is an incorrect thought. The list owner is not a list member unless explicitly added as a member and therefore does not receive copies of normal posts just by being the owner. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan _ Emoticons e Winks super diferentes para o Messenger. Baixe agora, é grátis! http://specials.br.msn.com/ilovemessenger/pacotes.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem
Filipe Zanluca Darós wrote: I had set myself as a member. I thought you meant otherwise. I receive mails sent directly to the list, but not when messages get redirected by the filter. If the message is archived, and the list is otherwise working, then Mailman has attempted the send the message to all the non-digest list members with the following exceptions: Any list member who has nodups set and whose address appears in To: or Cc: of the message will not be sent a copy. The poster (From: address) will not get a copy if the poster has not metoo set. If the list has topics defined and a member has subscribed to one or more topics and the message matches an unsubscribed topic or no topic if the member has not elected to receive 'non-matching' posts, the member will not be sent a copy. The poster will also not see a copy if the poster uses gmail/googlemail - see http://wiki.list.org/x/2IA9. If you are not receiving the post, and you are a non-digest member who doesn't fall into one of the above categories, then I don't know what the problem might be. If the problem is not one of the above, download the raw archive from a URL like http://www.example.com/mailman/private/list.mbox/list.mbox and find a direct message that you did receive and a redirected message that you didn't receive, and try to find some difference in the headers that might explain this. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem
Filipe Daros wrote: For example: My main e-mail address is t...@test.com and I created a list: l...@test.com. I also created a message filter that forwards any e-mail sent to t...@test.com and has the word hello on it's subject to the list l...@test.com. I tried changing generic_nonmember_action to accept but it still would hold the emails sent with that subject and the messages get held with the reason: Message has implicit destination. So again I tried changing require_explicit_destination to NO. But now when I send emails with that specific word on it's subject the e-mails seem to disappear. If I understand correctly, the problem is with the 'l...@test.com' list and the 't...@test.com' list works as expected. Also, if I understand, you have a process external to Mailman the sees a post to 't...@test.com' with 'hello' in the subject and forwards it to 'l...@test.com', and these posts were being held for implicit destination by the 'l...@test.com' list. You then set require_explicit_destination to NO on 'l...@test.com' which is one way to avoid the implicit destination hold, and now the posts forwarded to 'l...@test.com' just disappear. Do they appear in the archives of 'l...@test.com'? Does 'l...@test.com' have any eligible recipients (non-digest members with delivery enabled and in some cases not an explicit addressee and not the poster). What's in Mailman's vette log. See items 7, 8 and 9 in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9 for other possibilities. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem
Filipe Zanluca Darós wrote: The address t...@test.com is not a list. It is just a pop3 email account. They do appear in the archives at l...@test.com! Does 'l...@test.com' have any eligible recipients (non-digest members with delivery enabled and in some cases not an explicit addressee and not the poster). Did not understand what you mean by that. But since I did not add any addresses I am guessing no. So there is no problem. The post was delivered to the list, accepted, archived and resent to all zero of the list members. Once there are some members, they will get it too. If your confusion is that you think the list owner should have received something, that is an incorrect thought. The list owner is not a list member unless explicitly added as a member and therefore does not receive copies of normal posts just by being the owner. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem
Filipe Daros fzanl...@hotmail.com wrote: Does anyone know how to set up a Mailing list and make it accept e-mails from anyone and also accept email from a forwarding rule within the same domain? For example: My main e-mail address is t...@test.com and I created a list: l...@test.com. I also created a message filter that forwards any e-mail sent to t...@test.com and has the word hello on it's subject to the list l...@test.com. I tried changing generic_nonmember_action to accept but it still would hold the emails sent with that subject and the messages get held with the reason: Message has implicit destination. So again I tried changing require_explicit_destination to NO. But now when I send emails with that specific word on it's subject the e-mails seem to disappear. Hope I was clear in my explanation and someone could help me. What I would do is make t...@test.com an acceptible_alias for l...@test.com -- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone:+1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: bsfin...@anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Mailing list + message filter problem
Does anyone know how to set up a Mailing list and make it accept e-mails from anyone and also accept email from a forwarding rule within the same domain? For example: My main e-mail address is t...@test.com and I created a list: l...@test.com. I also created a message filter that forwards any e-mail sent to t...@test.com and has the word hello on it's subject to the list l...@test.com. I tried changing generic_nonmember_action to accept but it still would hold the emails sent with that subject and the messages get held with the reason: Message has implicit destination. So again I tried changing require_explicit_destination to NO. But now when I send emails with that specific word on it's subject the e-mails seem to disappear. Hope I was clear in my explanation and someone could help me. Thank you! Filipe. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Mailing-list-%2B-message-filter-problem-tp23461467p23461467.html Sent from the Mailman - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Mailing List Template?
G'day guys, I am managing a dozen lists for my scout group, and wonder whether I can point them all to a template configuration?? Basically, when I make changes I need to go through all the lists separately, or if I create a new list, I need to go and make all the changes to it from scratch. Looking at some way of having a master configuration which all my existing, and any new lists would point to.. Cheers Ivan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Template?
Ivan Sanders wrote: I am managing a dozen lists for my scout group, and wonder whether I can point them all to a template configuration?? Basically, when I make changes I need to go through all the lists separately, or if I create a new list, I need to go and make all the changes to it from scratch. Looking at some way of having a master configuration which all my existing, and any new lists would point to.. This will be easier in Mailman 3. Currently, you need to get a list configured as you like and save it's configuration with bin/config_list -o file LISTNAME Then you may want to edit file to remove some list specific things like owner, moderator, description, info and subject_prefix. This then becomes your template which you can apply to other lists with bin/config_list -i file OTHERLISTNAME -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
Dear mailman users.. we make class A mail servers that will guarantee the delivery of yor messages DIRECTLY to hotmail, yahoo, gmail and all other mail services.. no more messages stuck in the queue because the remote mail servers refuses your mail .. no matter how big your list is .. we guarantee its immediate delivery .. Note: to avoid spammers.. mass mailing is not allowed directly, there are steps that has to be done first to validate your lists.. we will watch your activities like a hawk, so spammers don't even think of trying.. our prices are very cheap also .. reply to my address if interested .. Thanks.. _ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/events.aspx -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
faisal anif wrote: we make class A mail servers that will guarantee the delivery of yor messages DIRECTLY to hotmail, yahoo, gmail and all other mail services.. no more messages stuck in the queue because the remote mail servers refuses your mail .. no matter how big your list is .. we guarantee its immediate delivery .. Congratulations. You just got yourself banned from the list because you spammed us. -- Brad Knowles b...@python.org Member of the Python.org Postmaster Team Co-Moderator of the mailman-users and mailman-developers mailing lists -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 09:48:12AM -0600, Grant Taylor wrote: On 02/03/09 09:29, Brad Knowles wrote: Congratulations. You just got yourself banned from the list because you spammed us. *Chuckle* It was sending from an hotmail address that amused me, given the rest of the content. -- ``I wouldn't call Civil Service delays `tactics', Minister,'' he replied smoothly. ``That would be to mistake lethargy for strategy.'' (Humphrey Appleby, from `Yes, Minister', Jonathan Lynn and Anthony Jay) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
-Original Message- From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org [mailto:mailman- users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of Adam McGreggor Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:54 AM To: Grant Taylor Cc: Mail List - Mailman Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers .. On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 09:48:12AM -0600, Grant Taylor wrote: On 02/03/09 09:29, Brad Knowles wrote: Congratulations. You just got yourself banned from the list because you spammed us. *Chuckle* It was sending from an hotmail address that amused me, given the rest of the content. Same here. He has also been active on a number of hosting forums posting the same message. Regards, Brian -- EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' Blog.emwd.com - Curious comments from a web hosting techie -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
On 02/03/09 14:14, Brian Carpenter wrote: I have never come across such service providers nor have I come across large ISPs such as Yahoo.com and AOL.com offering such a program to other email providers. We have simply gotten our servers whitelisted with these large ISPs and made sure all of our mailman clients are legitimate. So our e-mails are being delivered quickly without having to resort to some of the rate limits techniques that some hosts impose on their mailing list clients. These services (or something closer to what Brad described) do exist. However, I think what you have done is probably the more feasible way to get your email through more reliably than relying on some 3rd party to do some of the leg work for you. I also think that the appearance of you doing the leg work ahead of time and being pro-active in working with large hosting providers makes you look better and more likely to be legit when you do have the inevitable problem (how ever big or small it is). Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
On 02/03/09 13:13, Fil wrote: Spam apart, does such a service exist? A mail relay that works with major email providers to have the best delivery rates? I believe there are indeed some services that utilize things like eStamps where a nominal fee per email is payed to help ensure that the message that you are sending is not spam. Usually such service providers have agreements with large email providers indicating that they will heavily scrutinize their subscriber base and partially vouch for them that they will never send spam more than once, if that before they are no longer a subscriber. So in a way this is sort of like a notary in such as there is a 3rd party vouching (if you will) for the sender. Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
On 02/03/09 14:26, Brian Carpenter wrote: Yeah just saw Brad's post after I sent mine. No harm, no foul. We are all human and if we are lucky we learn something every day. :} Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
-Original Message- From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org [mailto:mailman- users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of Grant Taylor Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:13 PM To: Mail List - Mailman Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers .. On 02/03/09 13:13, Fil wrote: Spam apart, does such a service exist? A mail relay that works with major email providers to have the best delivery rates? I believe there are indeed some services that utilize things like eStamps where a nominal fee per email is payed to help ensure that the message that you are sending is not spam. Usually such service providers have agreements with large email providers indicating that they will heavily scrutinize their subscriber base and partially vouch for them that they will never send spam more than once, if that before they are no longer a subscriber. So in a way this is sort of like a notary in such as there is a 3rd party vouching (if you will) for the sender. Grant. . . . I have never come across such service providers nor have I come across large ISPs such as Yahoo.com and AOL.com offering such a program to other email providers. We have simply gotten our servers whitelisted with these large ISPs and made sure all of our mailman clients are legitimate. So our e-mails are being delivered quickly without having to resort to some of the rate limits techniques that some hosts impose on their mailing list clients. Regards, Brian -- EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' Blog.emwd.com - Curious comments from a web hosting techie -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
-Original Message- From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org [mailto:mailman- users-bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of Grant Taylor Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:15 PM To: Mail List - Mailman Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers .. On 02/03/09 14:14, Brian Carpenter wrote: I have never come across such service providers nor have I come across large ISPs such as Yahoo.com and AOL.com offering such a program to other email providers. We have simply gotten our servers whitelisted with these large ISPs and made sure all of our mailman clients are legitimate. So our e-mails are being delivered quickly without having to resort to some of the rate limits techniques that some hosts impose on their mailing list clients. These services (or something closer to what Brad described) do exist. However, I think what you have done is probably the more feasible way to get your email through more reliably than relying on some 3rd party to do some of the leg work for you. I also think that the appearance of you doing the leg work ahead of time and being pro-active in working with large hosting providers makes you look better and more likely to be legit when you do have the inevitable problem (how ever big or small it is). Grant. . . . -- Yeah just saw Brad's post after I sent mine. Regards, Brian -- EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' Blog.emwd.com - Curious comments from a web hosting techie -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
Spam apart, does such a service exist? A mail relay that works with major email providers to have the best delivery rates? -- Fil -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list servers ..
Fil wrote: Spam apart, does such a service exist? A mail relay that works with major email providers to have the best delivery rates? If you sign up for service with a company like ReturnPath, they have a whole list of guidelines that you need to follow in order to be on their SenderScoreCertified list. They also have partnerships with a number of large providers, so that anyone on the SenderScoreCertified list gets a big improvement in their spam score, and thus you are much more likely to be able to get through the spam filters to the recipients. People can still complain about you, you continue to use the existing services that you already have, and there aren't any guarantees as to how many people you will be able to reach. However, you will need to stay on your toes to keep your lists ultra-clean, otherwise you will have more problems than you know what to do with. Any e-mail service provider that claims to give you guarantees of deliverability, etc... are just blowing smoke up your ... nether regions. That's a get-rich-quick scheme of the spammers. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.orgIf you like Jazz/RB guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxuhttp://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Mailing list server transaction history
Hi Friend... I have some research about mailman... I changed Mailman scheduling policy form FIFO to size based. To analyzed it I need transaction history from mailing list server that already running in the internet. I don't need detail transaction history of your server because that is your company secret, I just need how many email that your mailing list server received in one day and also the size. Maybe like this: 250 email around 12 kB 10 email around 5 MB 7 email around 10 MB Please, Help me Thanks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam
On 6/26/08, jeff zemla wrote: Really, I have no problem sending e-mails from my domain because I do that through Gmail. Keep in mind that spammers have hacked the CAPTCHAs for hotmail, yahoo, and gmail, and they are aggressively using these services to send out their spam. About half of the traffic we see from Yahoo is actually spam coming from compromised or bogus accounts. The situation with gmail is even worse -- not only in terms of numbers, but also in terms of what they're being used for. Unfortunately, a disproportionate amount of phishing comes from gmail. So, while we might exempt Yahoo from our reputation-based filtering and filter their messages based on content only, we are much more loathe to do that for Gmail, because phishing is so much harder to detect. Note that this is for my current employer, one of the largest public research universties in the world, with ~50,000 students and ~20,000 faculty and staff, and we run the anti-spam filtering for pretty much the entire campus through our Ironport e-mail security appliances. We're throwing away ~97% of all inbound e-mail as almost certainly being spam, with about another ~1% being filtered out due to content. That leaves millions of messages a day that make it through the system, and yahoo and gmail are, by far, our biggest correspondent sites. Now imagine what would happen if we were forced to exempt gmail from our reputation filtering. So, are you directly affected by any of this? Maybe, maybe not. Are you likely to get caught up and washed away in the spam flood of biblical proportions, in part due to your choice in providers? Yes. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam
Hi all, I tried searching the archives for a solution to my problem but couldn't find anything. My apologies if this has been answered 100 times before. I bought a new domain through hostgator.com and they have Mailman installed so I can set up a mailing list. I've used mailman before through my University and never had a problem with requests being filtered as spam. Basically, when I try to add an e-mail account to the mailing list, it goes into my Gmail spam box. I don't know why this would happen, as my domain has never been used for anything before, so no one could have possibly reported it as spam. The header is as follows: from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM subject: Welcome to the Artists mailing list mailing list: artists_domain.com. mailed-by: domain.com Where domain.com is my domain, artists is the name of the list, and [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the person I add to the list. I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to work, which leads me to believe it is being flagged as spam based on where it originates from. But seeing as the website has no content on it (just a line of text that says Things will be here shortly) i dont know why gmail would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site. Any ideas? Thanks! Jeff -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam
jeff zemla sent the message below at 08:05 6/26/2008: Hi all, I tried searching the archives for a solution to my problem but couldn't find anything. My apologies if this has been answered 100 times before. I bought a new domain through hostgator.com and they have Mailman installed so I can set up a mailing list. I've used mailman before through my University and never had a problem with requests being filtered as spam. Basically, when I try to add an e-mail account to the mailing list, it goes into my Gmail spam box. I don't know why this would happen, as my domain has never been used for anything before, so no one could have possibly reported it as spam. The header is as follows: from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:16 PM subject: Welcome to the Artists mailing list mailing list: artists_domain.com. mailed-by: domain.com Where domain.com is my domain, artists is the name of the list, and [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the person I add to the list. I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to work, which leads me to believe it is being flagged as spam based on where it originates from. But seeing as the website has no content on it (just a line of text that says Things will be here shortly) i dont know why gmail would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site. Any ideas? End original message. - It is quite possible that the ISP you are using has hosted domains that were a problem and gmail is filtering on the fact that your domain is hosted in their IP address block. It is also quite possible that they are being quite draconian about the content of the message. Either way, the only way you will know for certain what is happening is if you contact their technical support (if you can actually get an answer out of them, they may well ignore your request too). Dragon ~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam
Hi all, I tried searching the archives for a solution to my problem but couldn't find anything. My apologies if this has been answered 100 times before. I bought a new domain through hostgator.com and they have Mailman installed so I can set up a mailing list. I've used mailman before through my University and never had a problem with requests being filtered as spam. You should contact Hostgator's tech support regarding this. What is the IP address of your hosting account? Regards, Brian -- EMWD.com - 'Powered by Techies' Blog.emwd.com - Curious comments from a web hosting techie -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam
jeff zemla wrote: I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to work, which leads me to believe it is being flagged as spam based on where it originates from. But seeing as the website has no content on it (just a line of text that says Things will be here shortly) i dont know why gmail would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site. This is one problem with reputation-based systems for detecting potential spam. You may have a nearby network neighbor that is responsible for generating a lot of spam (which seems likely, seeing as you say you bought the domain from hostgator.com). Or, the IP address you were assigned may have been used by spammers before it was re-assigned to you. There are a whole host of other reputational issues that you may be dealing with, but this should give you some idea. Fixing a tarnished reputation is hard. Very hard. Spammers don't care, since they just move on to somewhere else. But for the rest of us, it's a real pain. In the case of the first problem mentioned above (guilt by association), you're probably being caught by a blacklist that covers whole networks of machines, and there may not be any way for you to get off these blacklists. If you're on an IP-address specific blacklist, you may be able to get your provider to issue you a new address that is not blacklisted, or you may be able to get those blacklist owners to update their list to remove your address. Another option would be to move your domain and services to another provider, one that is much less friendly to spammers, and avoids both of the problems mentioned above. You could potentially sign up for service with a company like Habeas (for their Safe List service) or Return Path (for their Sender Score Certified service). If you're a small non-profit, they'll charge you a one-time fee, examine how your systems are set up and that you meet all appropriate best practices requirements, and then that will be that. If you're not a small non-profit, they'll do the same thing for you, but they'll charge you an annual fee. Habeas has the better reputation in the business, but is more expensive. Both are supported out-of-the-box with SpamAssassin, so they'll not only help you with all of the other customers with whom they have existing contracts and use the Habeas Safe List as a whitelist for incoming e-mail, but will also help you with anyone who runs a relatively generic install of SpamAssassin. Again, Habeas helps with sites running SpamAssassin more than Return Path, by improving your score by a full 8.0 points instead of just 4.0 points, and many sites run with 10.0 points being a guaranteed non-spam message, and 5.0 being a probable non-spam message. Any ideas? And way you look at it, it sounds like you've got a lot of work ahead of you. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam
Thanks Brian and Brad. Thankfully the solution was not so painful. I e-mail Hostgator, explained the situation, and asked if I could be moved to a different server/ip address. They got back to me quickly, saying: I have installed something called DomainKeys on your domains which helps prevent free email services like yahoo and gmail from marking emails from a domain as spam. And he told me a few other things in case that didn't work. But wouldn't you know it, it worked perfectly! So for anyone else on shared hosting who may run into this problem--tell your host to install DomainKeys! Thanks again guys! Jeff On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jeff zemla wrote: I have tried altering the content of the message, but nothing seems to work, which leads me to believe it is being flagged as spam based on where it originates from. But seeing as the website has no content on it (just a line of text that says Things will be here shortly) i dont know why gmail would have a preconceived notion that it's a spamming site. This is one problem with reputation-based systems for detecting potential spam. You may have a nearby network neighbor that is responsible for generating a lot of spam (which seems likely, seeing as you say you bought the domain from hostgator.com). Or, the IP address you were assigned may have been used by spammers before it was re-assigned to you. There are a whole host of other reputational issues that you may be dealing with, but this should give you some idea. Fixing a tarnished reputation is hard. Very hard. Spammers don't care, since they just move on to somewhere else. But for the rest of us, it's a real pain. In the case of the first problem mentioned above (guilt by association), you're probably being caught by a blacklist that covers whole networks of machines, and there may not be any way for you to get off these blacklists. If you're on an IP-address specific blacklist, you may be able to get your provider to issue you a new address that is not blacklisted, or you may be able to get those blacklist owners to update their list to remove your address. Another option would be to move your domain and services to another provider, one that is much less friendly to spammers, and avoids both of the problems mentioned above. You could potentially sign up for service with a company like Habeas (for their Safe List service) or Return Path (for their Sender Score Certified service). If you're a small non-profit, they'll charge you a one-time fee, examine how your systems are set up and that you meet all appropriate best practices requirements, and then that will be that. If you're not a small non-profit, they'll do the same thing for you, but they'll charge you an annual fee. Habeas has the better reputation in the business, but is more expensive. Both are supported out-of-the-box with SpamAssassin, so they'll not only help you with all of the other customers with whom they have existing contracts and use the Habeas Safe List as a whitelist for incoming e-mail, but will also help you with anyone who runs a relatively generic install of SpamAssassin. Again, Habeas helps with sites running SpamAssassin more than Return Path, by improving your score by a full 8.0 points instead of just 4.0 points, and many sites run with 10.0 points being a guaranteed non-spam message, and 5.0 being a probable non-spam message. Any ideas? And way you look at it, it sounds like you've got a lot of work ahead of you. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam
jeff zemla wrote: So for anyone else on shared hosting who may run into this problem--tell your host to install DomainKeys! DomainKeys, DKIM, SenderID, CallerID, and SPF pretty much all fall into the same bucket. See my take on SPF at http://bradknowles.typepad.com/considered_harmful/2004/05/spf.html. What was true when I wrote this in 2004 is still true today. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam
Hmm I really don't know that much about this stuff. Does this really affect me? I'm not looking for the be all end all of spam, as you say. At least, not spam at large. Really, I have no problem sending e-mails from my domain because I do that through Gmail. The only time when my mail gets filtered as Spam is when I send out messages on my announce-only mailing list. So as long as it continues to keep my announcements out of users' spam boxes, I'm happy. Should I be worried? Thanks, Jeff On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jeff zemla wrote: So for anyone else on shared hosting who may run into this problem--tell your host to install DomainKeys! DomainKeys, DKIM, SenderID, CallerID, and SPF pretty much all fall into the same bucket. See my take on SPF at http://bradknowles.typepad.com/considered_harmful/2004/05/spf.html. What was true when I wrote this in 2004 is still true today. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam
jeff zemla wrote: Hmm I really don't know that much about this stuff. Does this really affect me? I'm not looking for the be all end all of spam, as you say. At least, not spam at large. Yes. It may well affect you. Really, I have no problem sending e-mails from my domain because I do that through Gmail. The only time when my mail gets filtered as Spam is when I send out messages on my announce-only mailing list. So as long as it continues to keep my announcements out of users' spam boxes, I'm happy. Should I be worried? The addition of DKIM or domain keys to your outbound list mail clearly helps get your mail through to those direct recipients whose services like gmail or yahoo check DKIM or domainkey signatures and treat mail with valid signatures favorably. Since yours is an announce only list, you don't have to worry about the signatures on incoming mail being invalidated by things the list does to the message. The problem in your case is when [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribes to your list and alumni.example.edu, which is just a forwarding service, forwards that mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], the signature may now be invalid because the IP that the message came to gmail from is that of alumni.example.com, not your IP that signed the mail or because of other transformations to the message by the forwarding service. Gmail may consider this to be worse than if the mail was unsigned. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailing list filtered as spam
Hmm... My @rutgers.edu and @princeton.edu e-mail addresses both forward to my Gmail and work fine. But I do understand the issue now. I guess I'll just have to see how it goes... Thank you for the heads up! Jeff On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jeff zemla wrote: Hmm I really don't know that much about this stuff. Does this really affect me? I'm not looking for the be all end all of spam, as you say. At least, not spam at large. Yes. It may well affect you. Really, I have no problem sending e-mails from my domain because I do that through Gmail. The only time when my mail gets filtered as Spam is when I send out messages on my announce-only mailing list. So as long as it continues to keep my announcements out of users' spam boxes, I'm happy. Should I be worried? The addition of DKIM or domain keys to your outbound list mail clearly helps get your mail through to those direct recipients whose services like gmail or yahoo check DKIM or domainkey signatures and treat mail with valid signatures favorably. Since yours is an announce only list, you don't have to worry about the signatures on incoming mail being invalidated by things the list does to the message. The problem in your case is when [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribes to your list and alumni.example.edu, which is just a forwarding service, forwards that mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], the signature may now be invalid because the IP that the message came to gmail from is that of alumni.example.com, not your IP that signed the mail or because of other transformations to the message by the forwarding service. Gmail may consider this to be worse than if the mail was unsigned. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list with no archive
Laura Creighton wrote: A mailing list that I am subscribed to, for reasons of privacy, has decided to not archive its messages. I think this is an extremely silly idea, but right now out of my control. My problem is that periodically I think I remember something useful having been posted there, and want to search the non-existant archives -- because I forget they do not exist. The first erroneous piece of information I get is 'this archive is only searchable by list members'. So I try to log in to read the list, and despite typing my correct password, things fail with 'Authorization Failed' rather than letting me discover that there were no archives to be found. So you assume you haven't reset your password for this mailing list to one of the several you are in the habit of using, and ask for a password reminder -- to find out that all of this has been a complete waste of time because your problem is that there is no archive, not that you mistyped your password. So -- is this just a bug -- should I report it -- or is this list misconfigured? I can ask the list maintainer to change things if there is a way we can avoid this. I can't duplicate this problem. What Mailman version hosts this list? Are you sure you are logging in with the exact email address that is subscribed to the list? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list with no archive
In a message of Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:38:36 PDT, Mark Sapiro writes: Laura Creighton wrote: A mailing list that I am subscribed to, for reasons of privacy, has dec ided to not archive its messages. I think this is an extremely silly idea, but right now out of my control. My problem is that periodically I think I remember something useful having been posted there, and want to search the non-existant archives -- because I forget they do not exist. The first erroneous piece of information I get is 'this archive is only searchable by list members'. So I try to log in to read the list, and despite typing my correct password, things fail with 'Authorization Failed' rather than letting me discover that there were no archives to be found. So you assume you haven't reset your password for this maili ng list to one of the several you are in the habit of using, and ask for a password reminder -- to find out that all of this has been a complete waste of time because your problem is that there is no archive, not that you mistyped your password. So -- is this just a bug -- should I report it -- or is this list misconfigured? I can ask the list maintainer to change things if there is a way we can avoid this. I can't duplicate this problem. What Mailman version hosts this list? Are you sure you are logging in with the exact email address that is subscribed to the list? Mailman version 2.1.9, and yes the email address is the same. Laura -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailing list with no archive
A mailing list that I am subscribed to, for reasons of privacy, has decided to not archive its messages. I think this is an extremely silly idea, but right now out of my control. My problem is that periodically I think I remember something useful having been posted there, and want to search the non-existant archives -- because I forget they do not exist. The first erroneous piece of information I get is 'this archive is only searchable by list members'. So I try to log in to read the list, and despite typing my correct password, things fail with 'Authorization Failed' rather than letting me discover that there were no archives to be found. So you assume you haven't reset your password for this mailing list to one of the several you are in the habit of using, and ask for a password reminder -- to find out that all of this has been a complete waste of time because your problem is that there is no archive, not that you mistyped your password. So -- is this just a bug -- should I report it -- or is this list misconfigured? I can ask the list maintainer to change things if there is a way we can avoid this. Thanks very much, Laura Creighton -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list commands being limited?
Hmm, the problem of our lists not being fully populated with members must lie elsewhere. Thanks for the info on the autoresponse message though! Brian Brian Herold / Internet Applications Developer Department of Medicine / University of Wisconsin Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/14/2008 8:48 PM Brian Herold wrote: We have an automated system that programmatically adds users to lists using the email command functionality (subscribe nodigest address=$theemailaddress). Though, some of the lists are large and occasionally we get the returned email response: We have received a message from your address [EMAIL PROTECTED]' requesting an automated response from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. We have seen 10 such messages from you today. In order to avoid problems such as mail loops between email robots, we will not be sending you any further email responses today. Please try again tomorrow. If you believe this message is in error, or if you have any questions, please contact the list owner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Note that I renamed the sending and list email addresses. Is there some limit that's being triggered causing this message, and what can I do to prevent it? The limit is MAX_AUTORESPONSES_PER_DAY which defaults to 10. It can be set lower or higher, and it can be set to 0 for no limit, but note that if you set it either to 0 or a large value, your server can be used a spam reflector or for 'Joe Jobbing'. Note however that the subscribe command(s) are still processed even though the 10th one gets the above response and the remainder get no response. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list commands being limited?
Brian Herold wrote Hmm, the problem of our lists not being fully populated with members must lie elsewhere. I was going to ask if your subscribe_policy involves confirmation thinking that perhaps the subscribees weren't confirming, but I think it must not because if it did, the autoresponses would be the confirmations sent to the users and you presumably wouldn't be seeing the last autoresponse notices. I did however look back at your original post and I saw the subscribe command was subscribe nodigest address=$theemailaddress While this works, it doesn't do what you think. I'm going to fix this for 2.1.10, but currently, the above command will subscribe the user in the default digest mode with a password of 'nodigest'. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailing list commands being limited?
We have an automated system that programmatically adds users to lists using the email command functionality (subscribe nodigest address=$theemailaddress). Though, some of the lists are large and occasionally we get the returned email response: We have received a message from your address [EMAIL PROTECTED]' requesting an automated response from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. We have seen 10 such messages from you today. In order to avoid problems such as mail loops between email robots, we will not be sending you any further email responses today. Please try again tomorrow. If you believe this message is in error, or if you have any questions, please contact the list owner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Note that I renamed the sending and list email addresses. Is there some limit that's being triggered causing this message, and what can I do to prevent it? Thanks, Brian -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list commands being limited?
Brian Herold wrote: We have an automated system that programmatically adds users to lists using the email command functionality (subscribe nodigest address=$theemailaddress). Though, some of the lists are large and occasionally we get the returned email response: We have received a message from your address [EMAIL PROTECTED]' requesting an automated response from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. We have seen 10 such messages from you today. In order to avoid problems such as mail loops between email robots, we will not be sending you any further email responses today. Please try again tomorrow. If you believe this message is in error, or if you have any questions, please contact the list owner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Note that I renamed the sending and list email addresses. Is there some limit that's being triggered causing this message, and what can I do to prevent it? The limit is MAX_AUTORESPONSES_PER_DAY which defaults to 10. It can be set lower or higher, and it can be set to 0 for no limit, but note that if you set it either to 0 or a large value, your server can be used a spam reflector or for 'Joe Jobbing'. Note however that the subscribe command(s) are still processed even though the 10th one gets the above response and the remainder get no response. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailing list continues to lock
I am using mailman 2.1.8. We seemed to have a issue today with messages being queued up in the qfiles/in. After looking more into it it seems like one of the mailing lists and the qrunner was locked. So I removed the both locks. But they continued to lock up. So I brute force removed all of the locks until the messages were dequeued. The messages seem not to be queuing any more and the qrunner is not locking. The mailing list is still locking though. The lock logs from earlier in the day say unexpected linkcount:-1. Any Ideas? Thanks, Matt -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list continues to lock
Matt Zimmermanwrote: I am using mailman 2.1.8. We seemed to have a issue today with messages being queued up in the qfiles/in. After looking more into it it seems like one of the mailing lists and the qrunner was locked. So I removed the both locks. But they continued to lock up. So I brute force removed all of the locks until the messages were dequeued. The messages seem not to be queuing any more and the qrunner is not locking. The mailing list is still locking though. The lock logs from earlier in the day say unexpected linkcount:-1. Any Ideas? Not all locks should be removed. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.076.htp. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Welcome to the Mailman-Users mailing list (Digest mode)
On 9/28/07, ¬»´ wrote: You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: nasty383dip So, is there a reason why you sent your private acknowledgement message to the entire mailman-users mailing list, including your own private password to control your subscription? BTW, you might want to change that password now. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Welcome to the Mailman-Users mailing list (Digest mode)
-- Forwarded message -- From: 류찬홍 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007. 9. 28 오전 8:47 Subject: Fwd: Welcome to the Mailman-Users mailing list (Digest mode) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] dear sufort It is an additional confirmation demand -- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007. 9. 28 오전 1:11 Subject: Welcome to the Mailman-Users mailing list (Digest mode) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome to the Mailman-Users@python.org mailing list! Don't forget to check out the Mailman FAQ at: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and the searchable archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ The Mailman Security Policy is detailed in FAQ 1.27 at lt;http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.027.htp. Before posting any messages to this mailing list, please make sure that you have read and understood this policy. To post to this list, send your email to: mailman-users@python.org General information about the mailing list is at: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rych67%40gmail.com You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: nasty383dip Normally, Mailman will remind you of your python.org mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. -- jeju localhost rych67 -- jeju localhost rych67 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Welcome to the Mailman-Users mailing list (Digest mode)
-- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007. 9. 28 오전 1:11 Subject: Welcome to the Mailman-Users mailing list (Digest mode) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome to the Mailman-Users@python.org mailing list! Don't forget to check out the Mailman FAQ at: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and the searchable archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ The Mailman Security Policy is detailed in FAQ 1.27 at lt;http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.027.htp. Before posting any messages to this mailing list, please make sure that you have read and understood this policy. To post to this list, send your email to: mailman-users@python.org General information about the mailing list is at: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rych67%40gmail.com You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: nasty383dip Normally, Mailman will remind you of your python.org mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. -- jeju localhost rych67 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List - people say their e-mails neverappear
Patrick M.wrote: Please forgive me, as I'm very new to Mailman. While I know my way around Postfix, troubleshooting Mailman is another issue. I can see that e-mail gets sent and delivered to the particular mailing list in question, but sometimes people tell me their e-mails never get posted to the mailing list. Other people say they submit their post, and it eventually gets there, after 10 or so minutes. Since I don't know how to troubleshoot Mailman, I can only suspect that is has something to do with the NFS, although another part of me is telling me that it can't be. Can you folks push me in the right direction? What should I be troubleshooting? Is there anything I can provide so that you folks can help me troubleshoot further? Brad has given lots of good advice already in this thread including a reference to http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp. I want to emphasise that, as the thread seems to be concentrating more on NFS. In particular, look at Mailman's 'smtp' log and correlate that with your MTA logs. Normally, you will see in your MTA log that a post has been delivered to Mailman at some time and then you will see an entry Mailman's 'smtp' log x seconds later which says message-id smtp for n recips, completed in y seconds. Normally x is only slightly larger (less than 2 seconds) than y. y is the time for all the SMTP transactions to deliver the mail to the n list recipients, and y-x is the sum of the times the message was queued in Mailman's in and out queues and Mailman's non-SMTP processing time. Also, are the 'missing' posts in the list's archive? Do the delayed posts appear in the archive without delay? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List - people say their e-mails never appear
Brad Knowles wrote: On 9/5/07, Patrick M. wrote: I just installed Mailman on our load balanced Postfix servers. Both servers share a common NFS point. Did you install it on all of them, or just one? When you say they share a common NFS point, are you trying to use NFS for the postfix mail queue (which is a really, really bad idea), or just for the user mailboxes (which is also usually a bad idea, although it can be made somewhat less bad if you choose a mailbox format that is less NFS-unfriendly)? Mailman itself is about as NFS-friendly as can be reasonably done, but that still leaves a lot of room for problems. Many of the other parts of most mail systems are much, much less NFS-friendly than Mailman. Please forgive me, as I'm very new to Mailman. While I know my way around Postfix, troubleshooting Mailman is another issue. When troubleshooting Mailman, you generally want to start with the steps outlined in FAQ 4.78 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp. You should also search the FAQ Wizard for other things that might be related to your problems, and you should also search the archives. Since I don't know how to troubleshoot Mailman, I can only suspect that is has something to do with the NFS, although another part of me is telling me that it can't be. If NFS is involved anywhere in the picture, odds of Mr. Murphy raising his nasty head have been increased by many, many orders of magnitude. That said, there are occasionally times when such a system has problems that are actually unrelated to NFS. Thanks for the detailed explanation. One thing to mention is that this mail server is pushing close to 1 million e-mails a day, and has no issues with that whatsoever. Both mail servers mount the /home for the usernames, and everything is stored in Maildir. I'm almost positive there are no issues with NFS itself, as all other mail works just fine. Mailman is installed on both mail servers. /usr/lib/mailman is NOT NFS mounted (meaning its installed on both machines), however I've NFS mounted the /var/lib/mailman directory, where all the lists and such are. Now, with that being said, you mentioned that Mailman can be unfriendly when placed in an NFS environment. How can I test to see that it is an NFS issue with Mailman? I'll take a look at those docs and reply back to here. Thanks again. Patrick -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List - people say their e-mails never appear
On 9/6/07, Patrick M. wrote: Thanks for the detailed explanation. One thing to mention is that this mail server is pushing close to 1 million e-mails a day, and has no issues with that whatsoever. I was the Sr. Internet Mail Admin for AOL. We regularly did several million mail messages per day, after filtering out 95-99% of the incoming flood as spam. One thing I learned is that, many times when you have a problem, it's with a part where you think everything is okay. I'm not saying that I'm definite you're wrong about this, I'm just saying that you shouldn't necessarily be making any assumptions about where your problems lie, but you should instead be prepared to measure and be certain. Both mail servers mount the /home for the usernames, and everything is stored in Maildir. I'm almost positive there are no issues with NFS itself, as all other mail works just fine. One line I frequently hear is It works just fine in Windows, so obviously your Unix box must be broken. Riight. Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine, especially when it comes to something like Maildir. Part of the problem is that Maildir does a number of things that are not necessary in order to solve the problem(s) it was trying to solve, and it doesn't fully solve even those issues. Meanwhile, it introduces a whole host of new issues, and this makes Maildir a much less than ideal solution for the problem. There are other mailbox directory solutions which really do resolve the issues in question and without introducing a whole host of new problems to deal with. Again, I'm not saying you should be forced to switch, just that you should be aware of the potential issues with your chosen solution, and you should be able to fully troubleshoot and deal with those problems. Mailman is installed on both mail servers. /usr/lib/mailman is NOT NFS mounted (meaning its installed on both machines), however I've NFS mounted the /var/lib/mailman directory, where all the lists and such are. This is sounding like a binary package install version of Mailman. That's not where we put things in the source version from the gnu.org/lists.org website. In our version, you can put all of /usr/local/mailman on NFS, and as well as NFS can be made to work for anything, it should work for Mailman. This includes the Mailman queues as well as the archives, the source code, the compiled-on-demand object code, the whole kitten-and-caboodle. Now, with that being said, you mentioned that Mailman can be unfriendly when placed in an NFS environment. How can I test to see that it is an NFS issue with Mailman? It's not Mailman per se. It's *anything* on NFS. Mailman will work about as well on NFS as anything else can possibly work on NFS, but simply throwing NFS into the mix is likely to cause a whole host of new issues that you're going to have to deal with that other site administrators might not. These aren't Mailman problems per se, but NFS problems that cause problems with applications running on NFS, such as Mailman. Now, your NFS server will have a huge impact on what problems you see and what tools you have available to you to help resolve those. Generally speaking, if you're using high-end equipment like Network Appliance, EMC, or Hitachi Data Systems, then if you have any problems you should be talking to your account representative and your support team. They're going to know much more about your hardware than we do, and they should know enough about your application to be useful. NetApp, EMC, and HDS have gotten their stuff down to the point where Oracle actually certifies their products as being suitable for use on these servers, whereas Oracle explicitly rules out any support for their products on other NFS servers. There's a reason for this. So, the hardware you have available to you will have a huge impact on your systems. I'll take a look at those docs and reply back to here. Thanks again. If you have specific questions, please let us know. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailing List - people say their e-mails never appear
Hi all, I just installed Mailman on our load balanced Postfix servers. Both servers share a common NFS point. Please forgive me, as I'm very new to Mailman. While I know my way around Postfix, troubleshooting Mailman is another issue. I can see that e-mail gets sent and delivered to the particular mailing list in question, but sometimes people tell me their e-mails never get posted to the mailing list. Other people say they submit their post, and it eventually gets there, after 10 or so minutes. Since I don't know how to troubleshoot Mailman, I can only suspect that is has something to do with the NFS, although another part of me is telling me that it can't be. Can you folks push me in the right direction? What should I be troubleshooting? Is there anything I can provide so that you folks can help me troubleshoot further? Thanks in advance. Patrick -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List - people say their e-mails never appear
On 9/5/07, Patrick M. wrote: I just installed Mailman on our load balanced Postfix servers. Both servers share a common NFS point. Did you install it on all of them, or just one? When you say they share a common NFS point, are you trying to use NFS for the postfix mail queue (which is a really, really bad idea), or just for the user mailboxes (which is also usually a bad idea, although it can be made somewhat less bad if you choose a mailbox format that is less NFS-unfriendly)? Mailman itself is about as NFS-friendly as can be reasonably done, but that still leaves a lot of room for problems. Many of the other parts of most mail systems are much, much less NFS-friendly than Mailman. Please forgive me, as I'm very new to Mailman. While I know my way around Postfix, troubleshooting Mailman is another issue. When troubleshooting Mailman, you generally want to start with the steps outlined in FAQ 4.78 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp. You should also search the FAQ Wizard for other things that might be related to your problems, and you should also search the archives. Since I don't know how to troubleshoot Mailman, I can only suspect that is has something to do with the NFS, although another part of me is telling me that it can't be. If NFS is involved anywhere in the picture, odds of Mr. Murphy raising his nasty head have been increased by many, many orders of magnitude. That said, there are occasionally times when such a system has problems that are actually unrelated to NFS. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue
Jeff Williams wrote: Well... I am a recipient to both of these lists, and this is why I can see the change. Why would my pop client change or rewrite *any* address let alone one of these but not the other? Ask Bill Gates :-) It appears that both lists are anonymous. Shop Talk in the From: of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list comes from the description setting on the list's General Options page. If this is set on the other list, and it is the same Mailman, I don't know why the From: would be different. As far as I can tell, all of the settings are identical. I don't understand why there is no 'real name' (from the list's description) in the From: address of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] posts. I also don't understand why one list would get the (sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED]) added and the other not, but mailman is not adding this to either list's posts. Both list's posts are sent by the corresponding -bounces address and contain Sender: and Errors-To: headers with the -bounces address. Sometimes outgoing MTAs rewrite From: headers if the domain in From: is a CNAME, but I looked at your DNS entries and that is not the case here I don't understand just where this From: is getting munged and what is causing it and why it happens only to one list, but I'm sure it is not Mailman that's doing it. Are these two domains treated differently by the outgoing MTA? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue
Hey guys. I have two different mailing lists on two different domains. One has been in operation for some time ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and the other is new ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The new rockhound list is doing something that is causing me fits. The From address looks like this: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On my Identity list, it simply looks like this: From: Shop Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] The added header information ³(sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED])² is really interfering with people¹s ability to receive messages as spam software seems to be grabbing these emails. I have compared preferences for both sites, and I don¹t know what is different. How can I fix this??? Thank you in advance for your help. JW __ JWSW, Incorporated http://www.jwswinc.com 509.432.1220 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue
Jeff Williams wrote: I have two different mailing lists on two different domains. One has been in operation for some time ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and the other is new ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Are these domains served by the same Mailman installation? The new rockhound list is doing something that is causing me fits. The From address looks like this: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On my Identity list, it simply looks like this: From: Shop Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] The added header information (sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is really interfering with people's ability to receive messages as spam software seems to be grabbing these emails. I have compared preferences for both sites, and I don't know what is different. The added information is probably added by the recipient's mail client, not by Mailman. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.003.htp although your symptom seems somewhat different. It appears that both lists are anonymous. Shop Talk in the From: of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list comes from the description setting on the list's General Options page. If this is set on the other list, and it is the same Mailman, I don't know why the From: would be different. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list issue
I have two different mailing lists on two different domains. One has been in operation for some time ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and the other is new ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Are these domains served by the same Mailman installation? Yes. The added header information (sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is really interfering with people's ability to receive messages as spam software seems to be grabbing these emails. I have compared preferences for both sites, and I don't know what is different. The added information is probably added by the recipient's mail client, not by Mailman. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.003.htp although your symptom seems somewhat different. Well... I am a recipient to both of these lists, and this is why I can see the change. Why would my pop client change or rewrite *any* address let alone one of these but not the other? It appears that both lists are anonymous. Shop Talk in the From: of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list comes from the description setting on the list's General Options page. If this is set on the other list, and it is the same Mailman, I don't know why the From: would be different. As far as I can tell, all of the settings are identical. __ JWSW, Incorporated http://www.jwswinc.com 509.432.1220 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Configuration Files
Mark, Just in cast you want to make note of this or for any future readers who are looking for the same thing...the location of mailman under a cPanel install is in /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman After figuring that out running the config_list -o command worked perfect. The only other problem I had was with the list name. I first tried the name if the list without the domain name and it would not accept it. I then tried it with the domain, but also with the @ symbol. That wasn't accepted either. I then tried using the underscore in place of the @ like it is shown in the mailman admin and it outputted exactly what I wanted. Thanks again for your help. Aaron Todd Mark Sapiro wrote: Thanks for the information, but I do not seem to have the config_list file in the bin directory. Could it be somewhere else? I have full root access to my server and it has been set up with the cPanel WHM system. I am unsure if they store the list information in a different location. This would be in Mailman's bin/ directory, not the system /bin/ directory. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.011.htp re cPanel. I don't know where Mailman's files are in a cPanel installation, but without the command line tools in Mailman's bin/ directory and the ability to run them, there's no easier way to compare list configurations than by manually going through the web pages. I suppose if you had really good tools on a local work station to 'screen scrape' the web interface, you could try to automate it that way, but without some really good tools, I think this would be more effort than it's worth. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailing List Configuration Files
Hello, I manage about ten different lists that all need to have almost the exact set of settings. The main difference between each one is the name. Is there a configuration file for each list that I can compare rather than comparing the settings of each web page in the admin interface. -- Aaron Todd * * -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Configuration Files
Aaron Todd wrote: I manage about ten different lists that all need to have almost the exact set of settings. The main difference between each one is the name. Is there a configuration file for each list that I can compare rather than comparing the settings of each web page in the admin interface. You can compare the outputs from 'bin/config_list -o' and you can use this output with the list specific stuff removed as input to 'bin/config_list -i' to configure another list. See 'bin/config_list --help' -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailing List subscriptions are 'frozen'
I searched the archives for this issue and did not find any relevant messages, so I was hoping someone could help me. We've been running mailman 2.1.4 on Solaris for about 2 years and in the last week the subscription confirmations have seemingly stopped being sent to users. In looking at the subscription log, it's only been able to process 11 new subscriptions today, vs. 5000 pending ones. Now, the 5000+ subscription requests seems odd, since that would match the total number of subscribers to all lists, so I assume those are attempts by spam-subscribers. Do we need to dump out the confirmation queue? Does mailman eventually get full of bad (spam) sign-up attempts? Thanks, Derek -- Derek Cicero Program Manager Solaris Kernel Group, Software Division -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List subscriptions are 'frozen'
Derek Cicero wrote: We've been running mailman 2.1.4 on Solaris for about 2 years and in the last week the subscription confirmations have seemingly stopped being sent to users. What is the setting for Privacy options...-Subscription rules-subscribe_policy? Is VirginRunner running? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp section 1)b). In looking at the subscription log, it's only been able to process 11 new subscriptions today, vs. 5000 pending ones. Now, the 5000+ subscription requests seems odd, since that would match the total number of subscribers to all lists, so I assume those are attempts by spam-subscribers. What do the log entries say? Do we need to dump out the confirmation queue? Does mailman eventually get full of bad (spam) sign-up attempts? The confirmation cookies expire after mm_cfg.PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE (default 3 days) and are removed. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailing List Error
Hi Guys,
We recently installed mailmain running on FreeBSD with Vexim and I am getting
the error below on one of the mailing lists, all the others are working
perfectly
2006-11-13 12:01:52 1GjYdU-000IrF-DS ** |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
users [EMAIL PROTECTED]: retry timeout exceeded
2006-11-13 12:01:52 1GjYdU-000IrH-Ei == |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
users [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=system_aliases T=address_pipe defer (-28): Failed
to find group from expanded string ${lookup mysql{select users.gid from
users,domains where localpart = '${quote_mysql:$local_part}' and domain =
'${quote_mysql:$domain}' and users.domain_id = domains.domain_id}} for the
address_pipe transport
2006-11-13 12:01:52 1GjYdU-000IrH-Ei ** |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
users [EMAIL PROTECTED]: retry timeout exceeded
2006-11-13 12:01:52 1GjYdU-000IrH-Ei |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
users [EMAIL PROTECTED]: error ignored
Regards,
Peter Nyamukusa
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List Error
Peter Nyamukusa wrote:
We recently installed mailmain running on FreeBSD with Vexim and I am getting
the error below on one of the mailing lists, all the others are working
perfectly
2006-11-13 12:01:52 1GjYdU-000IrF-DS ** |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
users [EMAIL PROTECTED]: retry timeout exceeded
2006-11-13 12:01:52 1GjYdU-000IrH-Ei == |/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
users [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=system_aliases T=address_pipe defer (-28): Failed
to find group from expanded string ${lookup mysql{select users.gid from
users,domains where localpart = '${quote_mysql:$local_part}' and domain =
'${quote_mysql:$domain}' and users.domain_id = domains.domain_id}} for the
address_pipe transport
It looks like Vexim is trying to obtain the group under which to run
the pipe from a mysql database, and the database doesn't have an entry
for the 'users' list (address local part).
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[Mailman-Users] Mailing list not receiving the messages
Dear all, I am using the MAILMAN mailing list ( Version 2.1.7) for the website since couple of years. However, since last few days the Mailing list is not receiving the messages. Users are getting the following error message when it is tried to send the message to the Mailing list : This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical details of permanent failure: PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550-The recipient cannot be verified. Please check all recipients of this 550 message to verify they are valid. *** Please help me. Regards, Bhavin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list not receiving the messages
On 9/20/06, Bhavin Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using the MAILMAN mailing list ( Version 2.1.7) for the website since couple of years. However, since last few days the Mailing list is not receiving the messages. Users are getting the following error message when it is tried to send the message to the Mailing list : This is an issue with your MTA. The MTA no longer seems to recognize the names of your mailman lists. This is arguably outside the scope of this list. That said, to help you, we'll need to at least know which MTA you're using. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] mailing list does not work
I have around 50 mailing lists on the xserve (running mailman)..all are working except one. check_perms -f had been done log files do not show anything sgnificant...no failures were shown, but the list (non-working one) just does not relay email to its members. Any idea? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Mailing-list in HTML
YEp! I use mailman since a few days and I can't send the mailing-list in HTML format. How can I configure my mailman to send this page : http://www.comblainaupont.be/spip.php?page=nouveautes Cheers Quentin -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing-list in HTML
At 10:29 AM +0200 2006-08-04, Quentin wrote: I use mailman since a few days and I can't send the mailing-list in HTML format. How can I configure my mailman to send this page : http://www.comblainaupont.be/spip.php?page=nouveautes You don't. Mailman will, for the most part, transmit to the mailing list recipients whatever you send to it. You can configure filtering and conversion so that HTML gets stripped to plain text, and so that unsupported attachment types get removed, but that's it. If you want HTML-formatted messages to be sent to your recipients, then you need to write HTML-formatted messages for them to read. How you do that is going to be dependant on whatever program you use to read and write e-mail. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 Founding Individual Sponsor of LOPSA. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
