Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

2017-02-14 Thread David Andrews 

Thanks!  As usual You're the man!

Dave

p.s.  I suppose I could edit and use for gmail too, and put them in a 
cron job and run once a day to take care of new folks.



At 04:30 PM 2/14/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 02/14/2017 07:40 AM, David Andrews wrote:
>
> Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the problem.
> You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which means it could
> be something else, or not.


True, but you should be able to tell from mail logs or Mailman's bounce
log. I.e., when an AOL user posts, does only the delivery to that AOL
user bounce or does delivery to all AOL users bounce.

The former was my case.


> Have you written, or is there a script to go
> through all lists and change attribute, and/or would it work to send
> them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and over 12,000 users I can't
> really do it by hand.


Here's a withlist script. Save it in Mailman's bin/ directory as
aol_notmetoo.py

--- cut here ---
from Mailman import mm_cfg

def aol_notmetoo(mlist):
if not mlist.Locked():
mlist.Lock()
for member in mlist.getMembers():
if member.lower().endswith('@aol.com'):
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts, 1)
# If you don't want to set 'ack' remove the next two lines
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts, 1)
mlist.Save()
mlist.Unlock()
--- cut here ---


Then you can run this via withlist

bin/withlist -a -r aol_notmetoo

That will set 'not metoo' and optionally 'ack' for every @aol.com member
on every list



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

2017-02-14 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 02/13/2017 07:45 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> Does anyone know if AOL has changed its DMARC policies recently.  All of
> a sudden I am getting lots of AOL bounces, or maybe they have black
> listed us?  nfbnet.org


Back to the original question.

I don't think AOL has changed anything with respect to DMARC. If it is
not the case that these are bounces of users own posts, then there is
another issue. What do the bounces (or rejects in the mail log) say is
the reason?

You may find  helpful.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

2017-02-14 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 02/14/2017 07:40 AM, David Andrews wrote:
> 
> Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the problem.
> You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which means it could
> be something else, or not.


True, but you should be able to tell from mail logs or Mailman's bounce
log. I.e., when an AOL user posts, does only the delivery to that AOL
user bounce or does delivery to all AOL users bounce.

The former was my case.


> Have you written, or is there a script to go
> through all lists and change attribute, and/or would it work to send
> them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and over 12,000 users I can't
> really do it by hand.


Here's a withlist script. Save it in Mailman's bin/ directory as
aol_notmetoo.py

--- cut here ---
from Mailman import mm_cfg

def aol_notmetoo(mlist):
if not mlist.Locked():
mlist.Lock()
for member in mlist.getMembers():
if member.lower().endswith('@aol.com'):
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.DontReceiveOwnPosts, 1)
# If you don't want to set 'ack' remove the next two lines
mlist.setMemberOption(
member, mm_cfg.AcknowledgePosts, 1)
mlist.Save()
mlist.Unlock()
--- cut here ---


Then you can run this via withlist

bin/withlist -a -r aol_notmetoo

That will set 'not metoo' and optionally 'ack' for every @aol.com member
on every list



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

2017-02-14 Thread David Andrews 

At 08:57 AM 2/14/2017, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 02/13/2017 09:33 PM, Jayson Smith wrote:
>
> One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his*
> messages to the list being rejected by AOL.


Some time ago, I noticed that when an AOL user posts to a list, the list
copy sent back to that user, but not other AOL users, was always
rejected with the "AOL will not accept delivery of this message."
reason. This is similar to Gmail (see )
except Gmail just drops the message rather than bouncing it.

Anyway, I just set all the AOL list members to not receive their own
posts (they weren't receiving them anyway), and that worked around the
problem.


Well I will have to investigate further and see if that is the 
problem. You said "some time ago," and it is recent with me, which 
means it could be something else, or not.  Have you written, or is 
there a script to go through all lists and change attribute, and/or 
would it work to send them post acknowledgement? With 300 lists and 
over 12,000 users I can't really do it by hand.


Dave


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

2017-02-14 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 02/13/2017 09:33 PM, Jayson Smith wrote:
> 
> One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his*
> messages to the list being rejected by AOL.


Some time ago, I noticed that when an AOL user posts to a list, the list
copy sent back to that user, but not other AOL users, was always
rejected with the "AOL will not accept delivery of this message."
reason. This is similar to Gmail (see )
except Gmail just drops the message rather than bouncing it.

Anyway, I just set all the AOL list members to not receive their own
posts (they weren't receiving them anyway), and that worked around the
problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

2017-02-13 Thread Jayson Smith 

Hi,

A while back, I was getting irregular AOL bounces. By that, I mean some 
messages would go through just fine, and some would bounce with the 
error "AOL will not accept delivery of this message." Very unhelpful, as 
you can see. Furthermore, if a message bounced, it was probably always 
going to bounce no matter what you did E.G. send a copy to that 
particular user rather than a mailing list, etc.


One of my mailing lists has one AOL user who finally got tired of *his* 
messages to the list being rejected by AOL. We did some investigating, 
and it turns out they have a whitelist program. I don't know the exact 
URL but can probably find it if you're interested.


Hope this helps,

Jayson

On 2/13/2017 10:45 PM, David Andrews wrote:
Does anyone know if AOL has changed its DMARC policies recently.  All 
of a sudden I am getting lots of AOL bounces, or maybe they have black 
listed us?  nfbnet.org


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[Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL

2017-02-13 Thread David Andrews 
Does anyone know if AOL has changed its DMARC policies recently.  All 
of a sudden I am getting lots of AOL bounces, or maybe they have 
black listed us?  nfbnet.org


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[Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL mail

2004-08-02 Thread Lynx7612 
SENT E-MAIL WITH FILE ATTACHED BUT IT NEVER GOES THROUGH WHAT CAN I DO
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL mail

2004-08-02 Thread Mark Sapiro 
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SENT E-MAIL WITH FILE ATTACHED BUT IT NEVER GOES THROUGH WHAT CAN I DO

If what you are saying (and I'm really guessing here) is that you are
trying to post a message with an attached file from your AOL account
to a Mailman list and the attachment never comes through the list,
then perhaps the list is set up with content filtering that strips the
attachment and/or other parts of the message.

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