Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman on Fedora Core 3 system
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 12:37 -0400, Matt Singerman wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks for posting this - I didn't even know this filed existed! I think I've located the problem - mailmanctl isn't running. However, when I try to start it (with /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start), nothing happens. I tried to su as user mailman to check the crontab and try and run it from there, but when I do, I get the following error: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# su - mailman This account is currently not available. The user definitely exists, but it has no login. Any ideas here? Sorry I didn't respond sooner, I've been on vacation and just returned with the typical 3,000+ emails in my inbox after a week of absence :-( The doc in /usr/share/doc/mailman-* is your friend, in particular the file INSTALL.REDHAT. In there is information on starting the mailman service. FWIW, the install of the mailman RPM does not do the following for good reasons. * It does not start the service * It does not add mailman to the list of services * It does not create a mailman login account. Why? Because it is common practice for people to just install a bunch of RPM's because they want them available. The installation of an RPM is independent of wanting to run the service (if the rpm is a system service which mailman is). Red Hat policy is if you want to run a service you must make a conscious decision to run the service, this has a lot to do with security issues (the INSTALL.REDHAT doc will tell you how to run the service). When the rpm installs it creates a mailman user and group, this is necessary for mailman to run. It is not necessary for a mailman login account to exist to run mailman (it is sometimes a convenience). Along the same lines as why we don't start a service when a package is installed we don't create login accounts. This too is a security issue. What password would be given to the account? It would have to be the same for every installed mailman RPM on Red Hat systems, and this is a security hole wide enough to drive a truck through :-) If you want a mailman login account it's very easy using system-config-users to edit the mailman user and give mailman a login account. Finally, you do not want to be running mailmanctl directly. You do want to use the interface established for controlling system services (e.g. init scripts in /etc/init.d). The init script does important things you won't want to bypass. This also makes the mailman service on Red Hat consistent with every other system service, once again this is covered in the doc. Also, please note that as of mailman 2.1 cron is not necessary to run basic mailman, as of 2.1 mailman is a service (e.g. daemon). Also, the init.d script plays an integral role in managing cron usage for the parts of mailman that still depend on cron. HTH, if you still have problems feel free contact me. -- John Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman on Fedora Core 3 system
Hello, So our old list server died, and I opted to switch from OpenBSD to Fedora for the new one. This is a brand-new system with nothing weird or complex on it, yet. It is running Fedora Core 3 (I know, FC4 is out, but I had this sitting around). I downloaded the latest Mailman RPM after installing Linux. Mailman appears to be working by itself; at least I can access the webpages for the test list I created. Sendmail (which, correct me if I'm wrong, is the default MTA for the RPM) is installed and working - I am able to send emails via Pine - but I don't even think it's getting that far. Any emails sent to the test list don't make it there at all. They're not being sent out to the members, and don't make it into the archives. Any suggestions on where I should be looking to correct this? Or even better, if someone knows the exact source of this problem and can list off exact commands to fix it, that'd be even better :) Thanks, Matt -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman on Fedora Core 3 system
Matt Singerman wrote: but I don't even think it's getting that far. Any emails sent to the test list don't make it there at all. They're not being sent out to the members, and don't make it into the archives. See the FAQ Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 3.14 -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman on Fedora Core 3 system
Hi Mark, Thanks for posting this - I didn't even know this filed existed! I think I've located the problem - mailmanctl isn't running. However, when I try to start it (with /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start), nothing happens. I tried to su as user mailman to check the crontab and try and run it from there, but when I do, I get the following error: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# su - mailman This account is currently not available. The user definitely exists, but it has no login. Any ideas here? Thanks again for all the help. --Matt On 7/1/05, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Singerman wrote: but I don't even think it's getting that far. Any emails sent to the test list don't make it there at all. They're not being sent out to the members, and don't make it into the archives. See the FAQ Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 3.14 -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman on Fedora Core 3 system
Argh. Still having problems. So I think there was a problem with the default mailman package, so I blew it away and reinstalled the RPM from scratch. This added a mailman home directory (good), but I still couldn't su (bad). Used vipw and changed mailman's shell from /sbin/nologin to /bin/bash. Can now log in, but there's no cron, and running mailmanctl results in nothing happening. Any ideas?? --Matt On 7/1/05, Matt Singerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks for posting this - I didn't even know this filed existed! I think I've located the problem - mailmanctl isn't running. However, when I try to start it (with /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start), nothing happens. I tried to su as user mailman to check the crontab and try and run it from there, but when I do, I get the following error: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# su - mailman This account is currently not available. The user definitely exists, but it has no login. Any ideas here? Thanks again for all the help. --Matt On 7/1/05, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Singerman wrote: but I don't even think it's getting that far. Any emails sent to the test list don't make it there at all. They're not being sent out to the members, and don't make it into the archives. See the FAQ Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 3.14 -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman on Fedora Core 3 system
Matt Singerman wrote: Argh. Still having problems. So I think there was a problem with the default mailman package, so I blew it away and reinstalled the RPM from scratch. This added a mailman home directory (good), but I still couldn't su (bad). Used vipw and changed mailman's shell from /sbin/nologin to /bin/bash. Can now log in, but there's no cron, and running mailmanctl results in nothing happening. Any ideas?? Is there anything in Mailman's log files - particularly 'error' and 'qrunner'? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
