[Mailman-Users] Re: Making Sure a Weekly Digest is Just Weekly
Thank you Mark for cutting right to the chase for me. Mark wrote: "Mailman's files should be in /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman" No -- no such directory on eigthmile.dreamhost.com -- It's got to be on a separate server. Top level searches on & turn up nothing either. I have a note into Dream Host support. Thanks, Michael *Michael Reeder, LCPC * *Hygeia Counseling Services : Baltimore / Mt. Washington Village location* *410-871-TALK / michael(at)hygeiacounseling.com* On 11/5/2023 5:32 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/5/23 14:23, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: I may have answered my own questions below. (**One quick newbie question though: If I continue looking for the Mailman program, what directory should it be in and what are some names I can run a recursive "find" command on?** ) I see from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mailman that Mailman files should be in: "It copies the installation files in /var/lib/mailman. It installs the cgi scripts in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman directory." Nope -- not in either place on eightmile.dreamhost.com It appears this is cPanel. See https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel - Mailman's files should be in /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Making Sure a Weekly Digest is Just Weekly
On 11/5/23 14:23, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: I may have answered my own questions below. (**One quick newbie question though: If I continue looking for the Mailman program, what directory should it be in and what are some names I can run a recursive "find" command on?** ) I see from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mailman that Mailman files should be in: "It copies the installation files in /var/lib/mailman. It installs the cgi scripts in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman directory." Nope -- not in either place on eightmile.dreamhost.com It appears this is cPanel. See https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel - Mailman's files should be in /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Making Sure a Weekly Digest is Just Weekly
I may have answered my own questions below. (**One quick newbie question though: If I continue looking for the Mailman program, what directory should it be in and what are some names I can run a recursive "find" command on?** ) I see from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mailman that Mailman files should be in: "It copies the installation files in /var/lib/mailman. It installs the cgi scripts in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman directory." Nope -- not in either place on eightmile.dreamhost.com When I go all the way to the top level of the server, and run -name "*mailman*"> I am of course restricted from most directories. I can however see: ./usr/share/bash-completion/completions/mailmanctl ./usr/libexec/check_mailman ./var/chef/cache/cookbooks/ndn-postfix/recipes/mailman-internal.rb ./var/chef/cache/cookbooks/ndn-postfix/recipes/mailman.rb ./var/chef/cache/cookbooks/ndn-postfix/templates/default/main-mailman.cf.erb ./var/chef/cache/cookbooks/ndn-postfix/templates/default/main-mailman-internal.cf.erb None of these look very promising. I am denied read/write/execute access to everything under ./var/chef/cache/cookbooks/ndn-postfix/ The file "./usr/libexec/check_mailman" refers to code in "/usr/local/dh/mailman". This file does not seem to exist and the directory is not writable to me. So, again, looking like I have to go to Dream Host for support whether or not the Mailman system is on a separate server or accessible through eightmile.dreamhost.com . I think. -- Michael *Michael Reeder, LCPC * *Hygeia Counseling Services : Baltimore / Mt. Washington Village location* *410-871-TALK / michael(at)hygeiacounseling.com* *http://www.hygeiacounseling.com - main website. ./var/chef/cache/cookbooks/ndn-postfix/recipes/mailman-internal.rb* On 11/5/2023 3:14 PM, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: Hmmm... This looks vaguely possible... The frustrating thing is I'll have to spend some hours on figuring this out -- which means I have to come back to it later. I have now created an SSH user and can log onto my shared hosting server (eightmile.dreamhost.com). I also see -- in the cpanel -- the ability to create cron jobs on that same shared hosting server. (Or -- I can do a "crontab -e" command to create it when logged into the server.) BUT... I'm told the Mailman server is a separate server. When I try to ssh onto "lists.clinicians-exchange.org" its denied because apparently there is a public/private key login I'm not privy to. On my account at eightmile.dreamhost.com I do see a "lists.clinicians-exchange.org" folder -- but all that's in it is a .tar.gz file backup. On this server when I look under /etc I don't see a mailman program. Same with /var directory. Even so, root owns these files and directories so I don't think I could change anything in them. So... I suspect Dream Host would have to do this for me. **One quick newbie question though: If I continue looking for the Mailman program, what directory should it be in and what are some names I can run a recursive "find" command on?** Thanks, Michael *Michael Reeder, LCPC * *Hygeia Counseling Services : Baltimore / Mt. Washington Village location* *410-871-TALK / michael(at)hygeiacounseling.com* On 11/5/2023 11:56 AM, Dmitri Maziuk wrote: On 11/4/23 14:22, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/4/23 11:27, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: Ugh. Dream Host does not give me cron job / command line access. I'll try begging them to do this, but more likely I'll have to manually release the Digest each week. It is unlikely they will let you do this as it would affect all lists on the server, not just yours. Google says dreamhost does let you create your own cron jobs, you just can't get to the "system" ones. You could probably make one that does what Mark described with curl or something: POST the config change to the admin page, POST the change-back a minute later. It'd be even easier if `senddigest` had a command line argument like "--force", but alas. Dima -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: mich...@hygeiacounseling.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Making Sure a Weekly Digest is Just Weekly
Hmmm... This looks vaguely possible... The frustrating thing is I'll have to spend some hours on figuring this out -- which means I have to come back to it later. I have now created an SSH user and can log onto my shared hosting server (eightmile.dreamhost.com). I also see -- in the cpanel -- the ability to create cron jobs on that same shared hosting server. (Or -- I can do a "crontab -e" command to create it when logged into the server.) BUT... I'm told the Mailman server is a separate server. When I try to ssh onto "lists.clinicians-exchange.org" its denied because apparently there is a public/private key login I'm not privy to. On my account at eightmile.dreamhost.com I do see a "lists.clinicians-exchange.org" folder -- but all that's in it is a .tar.gz file backup. On this server when I look under /etc I don't see a mailman program. Same with /var directory. Even so, root owns these files and directories so I don't think I could change anything in them. So... I suspect Dream Host would have to do this for me. **One quick newbie question though: If I continue looking for the Mailman program, what directory should it be in and what are some names I can run a recursive "find" command on?** Thanks, Michael *Michael Reeder, LCPC * *Hygeia Counseling Services : Baltimore / Mt. Washington Village location* *410-871-TALK / michael(at)hygeiacounseling.com* On 11/5/2023 11:56 AM, Dmitri Maziuk wrote: On 11/4/23 14:22, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/4/23 11:27, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: Ugh. Dream Host does not give me cron job / command line access. I'll try begging them to do this, but more likely I'll have to manually release the Digest each week. It is unlikely they will let you do this as it would affect all lists on the server, not just yours. Google says dreamhost does let you create your own cron jobs, you just can't get to the "system" ones. You could probably make one that does what Mark described with curl or something: POST the config change to the admin page, POST the change-back a minute later. It'd be even easier if `senddigest` had a command line argument like "--force", but alas. Dima -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Making Sure a Weekly Digest is Just Weekly
Jeremy and Dmitri, I will do a bit of digging around for cron job access as you both describe. Thanks! -- Michael *Michael Reeder, LCPC * *Hygeia Counseling Services : Baltimore / Mt. Washington Village location* *410-871-TALK / michael(at)hygeiacounseling.com* On 11/5/2023 11:56 AM, Dmitri Maziuk wrote: On 11/4/23 14:22, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/4/23 11:27, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: Ugh. Dream Host does not give me cron job / command line access. I'll try begging them to do this, but more likely I'll have to manually release the Digest each week. It is unlikely they will let you do this as it would affect all lists on the server, not just yours. Google says dreamhost does let you create your own cron jobs, you just can't get to the "system" ones. You could probably make one that does what Mark described with curl or something: POST the config change to the admin page, POST the change-back a minute later. It'd be even easier if `senddigest` had a command line argument like "--force", but alas. Dima -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: mich...@hygeiacounseling.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Making Sure a Weekly Digest is Just Weekly
Thanks once again Mark. I have those Digest settings in place for manual sending now. -- Michael *Michael Reeder, LCPC * *Hygeia Counseling Services : Baltimore / Mt. Washington Village location* *410-871-TALK / michael(at)hygeiacounseling.com* On 11/4/2023 3:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/4/23 11:27, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: Ugh. Dream Host does not give me cron job / command line access. I'll try begging them to do this, but more likely I'll have to manually release the Digest each week. It is unlikely they will let you do this as it would affect all lists on the server, not just yours. A manual process is not too bad. Set the list's digest_size_threshhold to zero so no digests are sent on size and set digest_send_periodic to No so none are sent by cron. Then when you want to send a digest, set _send_digest_now to Yes on the Digest options page and save changes. This will send the digest immediately if it has any messages. Or... Look into setting up my own Mailman service on my own virtual server... I am running a Mastodon instance, so I might be up for the challenge. Maybe. If you're considering this, I would recommend Mailman 3. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html Mailman 2.1 is past end of life and will only become more difficult to support as time goes on. In particular, it requires Python 2 which is also end of life and is being dropped from many distros. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Making Sure a Weekly Digest is Just Weekly
On 11/4/23 14:22, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/4/23 11:27, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: Ugh. Dream Host does not give me cron job / command line access. I'll try begging them to do this, but more likely I'll have to manually release the Digest each week. It is unlikely they will let you do this as it would affect all lists on the server, not just yours. Google says dreamhost does let you create your own cron jobs, you just can't get to the "system" ones. You could probably make one that does what Mark described with curl or something: POST the config change to the admin page, POST the change-back a minute later. It'd be even easier if `senddigest` had a command line argument like "--force", but alas. Dima -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Making Sure a Weekly Digest is Just Weekly
On 11/4/23 11:27, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: Ugh. Dream Host does not give me cron job / command line access. I'll try begging them to do this, but more likely I'll have to manually release the Digest each week. It is unlikely they will let you do this as it would affect all lists on the server, not just yours. A manual process is not too bad. Set the list's digest_size_threshhold to zero so no digests are sent on size and set digest_send_periodic to No so none are sent by cron. Then when you want to send a digest, set _send_digest_now to Yes on the Digest options page and save changes. This will send the digest immediately if it has any messages. Or... Look into setting up my own Mailman service on my own virtual server... I am running a Mastodon instance, so I might be up for the challenge. Maybe. If you're considering this, I would recommend Mailman 3. See https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/install.html Mailman 2.1 is past end of life and will only become more difficult to support as time goes on. In particular, it requires Python 2 which is also end of life and is being dropped from many distros. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Making Sure a Weekly Digest is Just Weekly
All, I'm appreciating and looking into the many suggestions so far. **Anyone know which -- if any -- give cron job / CLI access?** Thanks, Michael *Michael Reeder, LCPC * *Hygeia Counseling Services : Baltimore / Mt. Washington Village location* *410-871-TALK / michael(at)hygeiacounseling.com* On 11/3/2023 10:45 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/3/23 16:23, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: I have a "weekly digest". It's new, but seems to be publishing at least twice per week (Wednesdays and Fridays). The digest_volume_frequency setting has nothing to do with how often digests are sent. It controls how often the digest volume number is incremented and the digest issue number is reset. If digest_send_periodic is Yes, periodic digests are sent whenever there are messages for the digest and cron/senddigests is run. I.e., The frequency of periodic digests is controlled by how often cron/senddigests is run by cron. I have: a) Already checked that it is set to "weekly" As above, this has nothing to do with how often digests are sent. b) Already double-checked that "digest_size_threshold" is set to 0. Which means digests will never be sent based on size. c) I have just changed "digest_send_periodic" from "Yes" to "No". With the change in (C) above, have I fixed the problem? No. You have ensured that digests will never be sent. c) says that digests will not be sent when cron/senddigests is run and b) says that digests will never be sent based on size. What you want is to set digest_send_periodic to Yes and adjust mailman's crontab to run cron/senddigests weekly. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Making Sure a Weekly Digest is Just Weekly
Mark, Thank you! Ugh. Dream Host does not give me cron job / command line access. I'll try begging them to do this, but more likely I'll have to manually release the Digest each week. Or... Look into setting up my own Mailman service on my own virtual server... I am running a Mastodon instance, so I might be up for the challenge. Maybe. Thanks, Michael *Michael Reeder, LCPC * *Hygeia Counseling Services : Baltimore / Mt. Washington Village location* *410-871-TALK / michael(at)hygeiacounseling.com* *http://www.hygeiacounseling.com - main website. * On 11/3/2023 10:45 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/3/23 16:23, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: I have a "weekly digest". It's new, but seems to be publishing at least twice per week (Wednesdays and Fridays). The digest_volume_frequency setting has nothing to do with how often digests are sent. It controls how often the digest volume number is incremented and the digest issue number is reset. If digest_send_periodic is Yes, periodic digests are sent whenever there are messages for the digest and cron/senddigests is run. I.e., The frequency of periodic digests is controlled by how often cron/senddigests is run by cron. I have: a) Already checked that it is set to "weekly" As above, this has nothing to do with how often digests are sent. b) Already double-checked that "digest_size_threshold" is set to 0. Which means digests will never be sent based on size. c) I have just changed "digest_send_periodic" from "Yes" to "No". With the change in (C) above, have I fixed the problem? No. You have ensured that digests will never be sent. c) says that digests will not be sent when cron/senddigests is run and b) says that digests will never be sent based on size. What you want is to set digest_send_periodic to Yes and adjust mailman's crontab to run cron/senddigests weekly. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Making Sure a Weekly Digest is Just Weekly
On 11/3/23 16:23, Michael Reeder -- Hygeia MS wrote: I have a "weekly digest". It's new, but seems to be publishing at least twice per week (Wednesdays and Fridays). The digest_volume_frequency setting has nothing to do with how often digests are sent. It controls how often the digest volume number is incremented and the digest issue number is reset. If digest_send_periodic is Yes, periodic digests are sent whenever there are messages for the digest and cron/senddigests is run. I.e., The frequency of periodic digests is controlled by how often cron/senddigests is run by cron. I have: a) Already checked that it is set to "weekly" As above, this has nothing to do with how often digests are sent. b) Already double-checked that "digest_size_threshold" is set to 0. Which means digests will never be sent based on size. c) I have just changed "digest_send_periodic" from "Yes" to "No". With the change in (C) above, have I fixed the problem? No. You have ensured that digests will never be sent. c) says that digests will not be sent when cron/senddigests is run and b) says that digests will never be sent based on size. What you want is to set digest_send_periodic to Yes and adjust mailman's crontab to run cron/senddigests weekly. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
