Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 18:39, Adrean Clarkc...@clercscar.com wrote: Word wrap was forced. The text I pasted was not supposed to have line breaks, it was supposed to fit the width of the mail program. Plain text usually runs the width of the screen it's on -- that's what I want, not forced line ends. Hope I'm making sense. For some definition of usually - yes ;) Traditionally plain text wraps at under 80 characters (72-78 being a fairly common maximum) and many mail clients will support that behaviour. What you describe is a relatively recent change in the way plain text emails are displayed. I checked the archives and the line breaks were there. So it must be my mail program that's causing the problem? I tried sending the same message from Google mail and my SquirrelMail program -- both had the hard wrap. Are you doing a copy-and-paste? That'll preserve existing line wraps and you'll get the behaviour you describe. If you want it to flow then you have to ensure that you enter it with line breaks only where you want them. Note that even if you do that, the final handling is up to the mail client. Some will hard wrap the lines anyway and some will flow hard-wrapped lines. -- Please keep list traffic on the list. Rob MacGregor Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
Word wrap was forced. The text I pasted was not supposed to have line breaks, it was supposed to fit the width of the mail program. Plain text usually runs the width of the screen it's on -- that's what I want, not forced line ends. Hope I'm making sense. I checked the archives and the line breaks were there. So it must be my mail program that's causing the problem? I tried sending the same message from Google mail and my SquirrelMail program -- both had the hard wrap. Adrean * Clerc Scar Email Publication of the Signing Community http://www.clercscar.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 18:25, Adrean Clarkc...@clercscar.com wrote: I'm still having trouble with word wrap. I send out messages in plain text, and I don't have the message editor enabled. I've pasted a sample message below. Also notice in the first sentence of the article a sign was added. It's not in the original -- where did that come from? Thanks for all your help. ---SNIP--- From Little Girls Point, we headed west on U.S. Highway 2 and entered That's an artifact of the mail system in use. In the very old days that was used to avoid mail systems thinking it was another From: header. Some unix mail systems still escape it this way, I'm guessing yours is one. I'm sure you'll find it documented in one of the many RFCs, somewhere. As for wrapping, as you copy-and-pasted it there's no way for anybody to say anything meaningful ;) If you were to attach a sent message then people may be able to say more. -- Please keep list traffic on the list. Rob MacGregor Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
Adrean Clark writes: Word wrap was forced. The text I pasted was not supposed to have line breaks, it was supposed to fit the width of the mail program. Plain text usually runs the width of the screen it's on -- that's what I want, not forced line ends. Hope I'm making sense. Are you sending *only* plain text? I seem to recall an issue where text could get reformatted in cases where a message had both plain and HTML parts, and the HTML part was stripped/converted to plain text. That was due to the external application used to convert. Still, as Mark says AFAIK there's no code in Mailman to insert line breaks. It may be some other software, even a virus scanner or the like (should not happen, but stuff like that does, sometimes), in the mail pipeline. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
Adrean Clark wrote: So it must be my mail program that's causing the problem? I tried sending the same message from Google mail and my SquirrelMail program -- both had the hard wrap. Both Google Mail and Squirrel Mail wrap messages. Look at the message in your sent mail or sent folder. You'll see it wrapped there. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
I'm still having trouble with word wrap. I send out messages in plain text, and I don't have the message editor enabled. I've pasted a sample message below. Also notice in the first sentence of the article a sign was added. It's not in the original -- where did that come from? Thanks for all your help. Adrean From:Clerc Scar clercs...@clercscar.com CLERC SCAR 8.1 17 August 2009 = Need to smile or laugh? Check out deaf cartoons at http://www.mdaigletoons.com ! Need something to thank interpreters? Order greeting cards at http://www.mdaigletoons.com/order.html ! Need a logo, illustration or graphic work for your business? Check out artwork at http://www.mattdaigle.com ! All done by a deaf artist/cartoonist--Matt Daigle = CHASING VISTAS 7 Melanie Bond Words: 2,441 [Memoir] Chapter 18 Amnicon Falls State Park From Little Girls Point, we headed west on U.S. Highway 2 and entered northern Wisconsin. After two hours of driving, we passed a road sign pointing toward Amnicon Falls State Park. On the spur of the moment, we decided to stop and stretch our legs a bit. What a surprise it turned out to be when we spotted not just one big waterfall but also many smaller cascading falls! We all hurried down the steep rocky steps to stand close to the Upper Falls and felt its misty spray and thunderous roar. It was fascinating to watch the Amnicon River tumble downstream over many flat layers of rock. With the sun hanging low in the sky, piercing flashes of sunlight danced across the rippling waters like diamonds. The Amnicon River descends 640 feet from its headwaters to Great Lake Superior. In the past, as these rushing waters tumbled over rocky ledges, they broke off more than 190 feet of rock exposing the Douglas Fault which is considered to be a geologic wonder. It had been the Ojibway Indians who had named the Amnicon River. It means where the fish spawn. The tannic acid-colored waters support the only native muskie population in this region, as well as several species of trout, salmon, walleye, and migrating steelhead. Soon Dano pointed his finger downstream and cried out, Mom, look the other way! Can you see that bridge? I want to go on it! Can we? I turned to look and sure enough, it was there. But it wasn't just a bridge--it was a 55-foot wood-covered foot bridge that spanned the Lower Falls. What a quaint picture it was! We hurried over to the bridge and crossed it, not realizing that we were crossing over to a little island. This island was completely surrounded by cascading waterfalls. It was amazing! Here, there were beautiful contrasting white birch trees and aromatic evergreen trees. A nature trail circled around the perimeter of this island. The three of us had fun hiking through the woods close to the rocky cliff edges of this island. When Dano started running up some rocks precariously close to the drop-off ledges, Harvey shouted, Dano, stop! You're too close to the edge! If you had taken a fall into the rapids below, that'd be the end of you! Stay close to us so that we can keep an eye on you! We all had to be careful when we rounded the steepest part of the island. Here the trail was treacherously close to the edges. Feeling a little winded, I spotted a nice sun-baked flat rock and suggested, How about we take a break and sit down for a few minutes so that I can catch my breath and admire the views around here? We all plopped down on sun-warmed rocks, watched the cascading waters and listened to its thundering rock music which seemed to soothe our souls. Soon it was time to get moving again. We crossed back over the covered bridge but took time to stop on the bridge and admire the views from both sides. Looking upstream at the rocks above the Upper Falls, there was black basalt rock over a billion years old. Looking downstream were red sandstone believed to be 3,000 feet deep. Dano enjoyed the contrasting color lines of black basalt rock and red sandstone and was able to collect a tiny rock sample of each to take home with him. Dano observed, Mom, this is just like the black and pink sands that wouldn't mix at Indian Lake! That's right! I exclaimed. Isn't that interesting! What do you suppose is the difference between these rocks and the sand at Indian Lake? He responded in his didactic manner, Erosion. That's my boy! As twilight began to fall, Harvey and I debated whether to camp overnight in this state park. Both Dano and I were in favor of staying here. But Harvey thought otherwise. He stated, I think it's best to continue driving to make up for lost time. What lost time? I inquired. Who's keeping track of time here? It's not like we have to keep a schedule! Besides, we've had a full day already and we're tired. So, why can't we just stay here? Harvey repeated himself, I'm sorry, Mel, but I feel that we need to put some miles on the road. But, Harvey! I retorted. I don't like driving at night! I can't see anything! Besides, you have a hard time staying awake
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
On 8/17/2009, Adrean Clark (c...@clercscar.com) wrote: Also notice in the first sentence of the article a sign was added. It's not in the original -- where did that come from? Thanks for all your help. Aside from the spurious '' character (what client di you use to compose/send it?), whats the problem? The rest looked fine to me... -- Best regards, Charles -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
Adrean Clark wrote: I'm still having trouble with word wrap. I send out messages in plain text, and I don't have the message editor enabled. I've pasted a sample message below. Also notice in the first sentence of the article a sign was added. It's not in the original -- where did that come from? Thanks for all your help. [...] = CHASING VISTAS 7 Melanie Bond Words: 2,441 [Memoir] Chapter 18 Amnicon Falls State Park From Little Girls Point, we headed west on U.S. Highway 2 and entered northern Wisconsin. After two hours of driving, we passed a road sign [...] Taking your second question first, lines that begin with From are special message separators in many kinds of mailbox files. Thus, when the body of a mail message contains a line that begins with From various mail handling software will munge that line, most often by placing '' in front of it, but sometimes in quoted-printable encoded parts, by encoding the F as =46. In your case, this escaping of the From to From probably was done by your mail client or by a transfer agent before it got to Mailman, but if is reached Mailman unescaped, Mailman would have escaped it upon sending the message. As far as the word wrap issue is concerned, I don't understand the problem. If you are saying that the two lines I quote above together with the rest of that paragraph were typed by you as one long line without any hard returns and came back to you as you posted - i.e. wrapped to about a 75 character width - all I can tell you is Mailman didn't do that wrapping. Either the text was wrapped, probably by your mail client, befor it got to Mailman, or it was wrapped after it left Mailman. You should be able to see which by looking at the message in Mailman's archive. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
On 8/17/2009, Adrean Clark (c...@clercscar.com) wrote: Also notice in the first sentence of the article a sign was added. It's not in the original -- where did that come from? Thanks for all your help. ... From Little Girls Point, we headed ... This is standard MBOX formatting rules. The beginning of each mail message in an mbox-formatted file has this From u...@example.com Mon Jul 27 20:15:30 2009 The first five characters in this line are From This separates this message from the one above it. I do not remember if there needs to be a null or blank line before this separator line. Because of this, any line in the body of the mail that begins with From (note the upper-case F) must be changed so that the line does not get treated as an mbox-separator line. The convention is to prefix the line with , as you saw. A blank character would have also worked. Note that persons frequently post problems with creating/re-building a Mailman list archive. These problems sometimes are caused by From lines that are not separators but which have not been modified per the mbox standard. Also note that this is not a word wrap problem, as implied in the Subject line. -- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone:+1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: bsfin...@anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
Adrean Clark wrote: Mailman seems to be wrapping my email text automatically-- I have sent email messages unwrapped from both Gmail and SquirrelMail and I still get my emails back through the list with word wrap. The line width is the same as when seen in the post authorization window (moderation is set to on). This is frustrating because it breaks long URLs and has ugly line breaks when other people read our messages in other email programs such as pagers, etc. Are the messages being sent in HTML? I never seem to have this trouble with plain-text emails, but the HTML conversion on my lists will sometimes result in weird formatting on messages sent originally in HTML. The best way to fix it is to not send HTML messages, but it may be easier to disable Mailman's HTML-to-plaintext translation depending on your users. Terri -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
Mailman seems to be wrapping my email text automatically-- I have sent email messages unwrapped from both Gmail and SquirrelMail and I still get my emails back through the list with word wrap. The line width is the same as when seen in the post authorization window (moderation is set to on). This is frustrating because it breaks long URLs and has ugly line breaks when other people read our messages in other email programs such as pagers, etc. My Mailman version is 2.1.12 I've tried searching archives but not seen any messages that specifically list directions on how to fix it through the control panel. Help much appreciated. :) Adrean -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word Wrap
Adrean Clark wrote: Mailman seems to be wrapping my email text automatically-- I have sent email messages unwrapped from both Gmail and SquirrelMail and I still get my emails back through the list with word wrap. The line width is the same as when seen in the post authorization window (moderation is set to on). This is frustrating because it breaks long URLs and has ugly line breaks when other people read our messages in other email programs such as pagers, etc. Mailman doesn't normally do this. Is your mailman modified to allow editing of messages waiting approval in the admindb interface? What happens if you approve the message from the admindb summary page rather than the individual message page? -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word wrap in archives
Hi, (B (BThere are constants in Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py (Bclass HyperArchive(pipermail.T): (B (BSHOWHTML = 0 # Eg, nuke leading whitespace in html manner. (BSHOWBR = 0# Add br onto every line (B (BIf you chenge both to 1, then you will get long lines wrapped at (Bthe end of the browser width. (B (BTokio (B (BSage wrote: (B My apologies if this has been brought up before, but I do not see any (B answers in the recent archives. (B (B The archive pages for my mailman lists do not automatically wrap the (B text of each message. Since these pages use the pre tag to display the (B message, each message consists of several very long lines that extend to (B the right, forcing readers to scroll to the right in order to read the (B message. This is a very big problem since many of my users cannot be (B trusted to use a mail client that wraps the message for them. Can (B mailman not be configured to automatically wrap all incoming messages at (B around 75 characters by itself? (B (B Does anyone have a possible solution to this? (B (B (B (B-- (BMailman-Users mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bhttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users (BMailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py (BSearchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ (B (BThis message was sent to: archive@jab.org (BUnsubscribe or change your options at (Bhttp://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Word wrap in archives
My apologies if this has been brought up before, but I do not see any answers in the recent archives. The archive pages for my mailman lists do not automatically wrap the text of each message. Since these pages use the pre tag to display the message, each message consists of several very long lines that extend to the right, forcing readers to scroll to the right in order to read the message. This is a very big problem since many of my users cannot be trusted to use a mail client that wraps the message for them. Can mailman not be configured to automatically wrap all incoming messages at around 75 characters by itself? Does anyone have a possible solution to this? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Word wrap in archives
On 19 Feb 2003, Sage wrote: My apologies if this has been brought up before, but I do not see any answers in the recent archives. The archive pages for my mailman lists do not automatically wrap the text of each message. Since these pages use the pre tag to display the message, each message consists of several very long lines that extend to the right, forcing readers to scroll to the right in order to read the message. This is a very big problem since many of my users cannot be trusted to use a mail client that wraps the message for them. Can mailman not be configured to automatically wrap all incoming messages at around 75 characters by itself? Does anyone have a possible solution to this? You can use an external archiver that wraps. I'm not sure if MHonArc (the most popular external archiver) will wrap or not. I'm using a homebrewed solution (http://search.bikelist.org) that does. There is also some commented out code in stripmime (http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html) that wraps lines down to 75 columns. I don't remember what problems there might be in there though, so if you want to use it make sure you test it yourself. The code is at lines 322 to 339. alex -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] word wrap rap?
Hi, On the Archives page: When a plain text/text only email posted to a Mailman list originates from Eudora, the body of the text word wraps; when a plain-text email originates from Microsoft Outlook 2000, a line of text continues ad infinitum. How can this be changed so that the text wraps in Mailman? -thanks, Sarah -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
