Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Tom Corcoran writes:
 >  Wow! Thanks, Steve!
 > 
 > My mention of pdf here, crossed over with my other post and
 > confused, sorry.

Not a problem.  I'm still a little worried about your settings,
though.  The question is, "Do you want to receive those PDFs?"  If
"application/pdf" is not in pass_these_mime_types, they will get
discarded.

 > With content_filtering turned on now hopefully no more attachments
 > accumulate.,

Correct.

 > collapse_alternatives
 > convert_html_to_plaintext
 > 
 > defaulted to Yes, so I turned them off.

This is safe to do.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

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On 10/14/19 3:43 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> 
> 1. I looked at "Scrub attachments of the regular delivery message?
> (Details for scrub_nondigest)" which opens in a new window it's set to no
> already!2. In content filtering, I turned it on and changed nothing else.


If scrub_nondigest is No, attachments will Not be stored aside in the
archive and replaced by a link in the message. This is exactly what you
want.

Content filtering may be used to remove unwanted attachments, but with
scrub_nondigest off, attachments won't be stored aside anyway so it
won't affect the storage of things in the archive.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

 Wow! Thanks, Steve!

My mention of pdf here, crossed over with my other post and confused,
sorry.

With content_filtering turned on now hopefully no more attachments
accumulate.,

collapse_alternatives
convert_html_to_plaintext

defaulted to Yes, so I turned them off.

Done and tested :-)


Cheers,

Tom.


On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 14:28, Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:

> Tom Corcoran writes:
>
>  > All emails that come in I want to forward to our 2 addresses with no
>  > archive so as far, as I am concerned ongoing admin having to accept
>  > messages from new addresses, is overkill and I would avoid doing it and
>  > accept all messages if that was possible. Also, sometimes some of the
>  > sports clubs for my kids attach a pdf.
>
> I would then add
>
> text/html
> application/pdf
>
> to pass_these_mime_types in the Content Filtering page.  The first
> allows HTML-only mail to come in, and since this is really personal
> mail I don't see a good reason to disallow HTML.  The second prevents
> the PDF from being discarded.  If you strongly *prefer* plain text to
> HTML-formatted email, you could set both of
>
> collapse_alternatives
> convert_html_to_plaintext
>
> to Yes in the same page.
>
> Steve
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Tom Corcoran writes:

 > All emails that come in I want to forward to our 2 addresses with no
 > archive so as far, as I am concerned ongoing admin having to accept
 > messages from new addresses, is overkill and I would avoid doing it and
 > accept all messages if that was possible. Also, sometimes some of the
 > sports clubs for my kids attach a pdf.

I would then add

text/html
application/pdf

to pass_these_mime_types in the Content Filtering page.  The first
allows HTML-only mail to come in, and since this is really personal
mail I don't see a good reason to disallow HTML.  The second prevents
the PDF from being discarded.  If you strongly *prefer* plain text to
HTML-formatted email, you could set both of

collapse_alternatives
convert_html_to_plaintext

to Yes in the same page.

Steve

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks, Brian & Steve!

I feel some context would be useful. I solely use mailing lists so both
myself and my wife can get emails from schools, sports clubs, bills, etc.

All emails that come in I want to forward to our 2 addresses with no
archive so as far, as I am concerned ongoing admin having to accept
messages from new addresses, is overkill and I would avoid doing it and
accept all messages if that was possible. Also, sometimes some of the
sports clubs for my kids attach a pdf.

I have only edited the bare minimum of the mailman settings.

1. I looked at "Scrub attachments of the regular delivery message?
(Details for scrub_nondigest)" which opens in a new window it's set to no
already!2. In content filtering, I turned it on and changed nothing else.

Hopefully, #2 means that attachments will now not be archived and I can
achieve my goal of zero build-up of any storage with messages passing
through?

I guess I'll have to wait and see if anything accumulates!

Thanks a million, Tom.

[for some reason this post of 7+ days ago, never appeared on the list, I
may have used the wrong from email]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Tom Corcoran writes:

 > *But*, the mystery for me is if archives are turned off how are the
 > attachments saved. Is there another setting? If not, surely one
 > should be added so this unnecessary support request is not needed?

Mailman has a facility for saving attachments so that (1) space usage
on multiuser systems can be reduced and (2) users have to take
explicit action to retrieve "dangerous" file types (.exe, for
example).  This feature is controlled by the "Nondigest options" ->
"Scrub Nondigest" option.  (I don't know how this affects digests; I
suppose it controls them too but this is undocumented AFAICS.)

If you want them discarded "with extreme prejudice", then I believe
this option should be set to "No" (which is counterintuitive, I guess)
and use the "Content Filtering" options to either remove and discard
content types you don't want, or pass only those types you do want,
and discard the rest.

Steve

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Brian Carpenter]

On 10/3/19 1:21 PM, Tom Corcoran wrote:

Thanks Brian!

That's great to have that confirmed :-)

*But*, the mystery for me is if archives are turned off how are the
attachments saved. Is there another setting? If not, surely one should be
added so this unnecessary support request is not needed?

I may have done my isp a disservice. I had a separate request (no resolved)
re mailman auto discarding and I think that was the one the were pointing
me elsewhere for.


On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 18:09, Brian Carpenter  wrote:


Hi Tom,

I have provided Mailman hosting via cPanel for many years now. I
apologize for not responding earlier to your request. I know exactly
what is taking up that space: attachments. Mailman takes message
attachments and stores them in an attachment directory that is part of
the Mailman file structure. This directory cannot be access via a normal
cPanel user. It requires root access. We have clients who from time to
time ask us to reduce their disk usage by clearing out their attachment
directory which we are happy to do.

Personally I would like invite you to check us out at https://emwd.com
as I think your host did you wrong when they said they would not support
a 3rd party. If they are a cPanel host then Mailman is part of cPanel
and therefore should be supported.

Attachments still accumulate even with archiving turned off. I believe 
you have to enable content filtering to filter them out.


Your host still should have purged those attachments for you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks Brian!

That's great to have that confirmed :-)

*But*, the mystery for me is if archives are turned off how are the
attachments saved. Is there another setting? If not, surely one should be
added so this unnecessary support request is not needed?

I may have done my isp a disservice. I had a separate request (no resolved)
re mailman auto discarding and I think that was the one the were pointing
me elsewhere for.


On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 18:09, Brian Carpenter  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> I have provided Mailman hosting via cPanel for many years now. I
> apologize for not responding earlier to your request. I know exactly
> what is taking up that space: attachments. Mailman takes message
> attachments and stores them in an attachment directory that is part of
> the Mailman file structure. This directory cannot be access via a normal
> cPanel user. It requires root access. We have clients who from time to
> time ask us to reduce their disk usage by clearing out their attachment
> directory which we are happy to do.
>
> Personally I would like invite you to check us out at https://emwd.com
> as I think your host did you wrong when they said they would not support
> a 3rd party. If they are a cPanel host then Mailman is part of cPanel
> and therefore should be supported.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Brian Carpenter]

On 10/3/19 12:07 PM, Bryan Teague wrote:

Tom,

It isn’t that Mark is being unhelpful, it is that cpanel doess some … odd 
things with the packages that they bring into their ecosystem.  Most of the 
people on the mailman list are system admins, or at the very least, people who 
have command line access to the servers that run their mailman installations.

When I was running mailman lists through cPanel,  I found the cpanel forums to 
be  a great help, along with the documentation and information found on the 
support site for cpanel.  (Both of those links are contained in the second 
paragraph of the page for your convenience I included them here)

http://forums.cpanel.net/ 

http://support.cpanel.net/ 

As to your specific problem of the private archives this is what I found when I 
looked at one of my cpanel installations:

https://documentation.cpanel.net/display/82Docs/Mailing+Lists
https://documentation.cpanel.net/display/82Docs/Archive

Hope this helps to clarify the issues for you.

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On Oct 3, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Tom Corcoran  wrote:

I came to this group as my isp said they would not support a 3rd party.

I'm confused, Mark. I printed out the link you sent me but I was
dumbfounded when I read through it now that there was nothing about
clearing out the 50MB and an unhelpful page more or less telling people to
leave the group alone :-(

Would someone on this group willing to try and help me retrieve my precious
50MB?

Thanks!

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 19:30, Mark Sapiro  wrote:


On 10/1/19 8:17 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:

I don't have command line access to my cPanel - just FileManager.

How do I find out what these 50+MB are being used for and how do  I

recover

the 50+MB?

See the FAQ at .



Hi Tom,

I have provided Mailman hosting via cPanel for many years now. I 
apologize for not responding earlier to your request. I know exactly 
what is taking up that space: attachments. Mailman takes message 
attachments and stores them in an attachment directory that is part of 
the Mailman file structure. This directory cannot be access via a normal 
cPanel user. It requires root access. We have clients who from time to 
time ask us to reduce their disk usage by clearing out their attachment 
directory which we are happy to do.


Personally I would like invite you to check us out at https://emwd.com 
as I think your host did you wrong when they said they would not support 
a 3rd party. If they are a cPanel host then Mailman is part of cPanel 
and therefore should be supported.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Bryan Teague]

Tom, 

It isn’t that Mark is being unhelpful, it is that cpanel doess some … odd 
things with the packages that they bring into their ecosystem.  Most of the 
people on the mailman list are system admins, or at the very least, people who 
have command line access to the servers that run their mailman installations. 

When I was running mailman lists through cPanel,  I found the cpanel forums to 
be  a great help, along with the documentation and information found on the 
support site for cpanel.  (Both of those links are contained in the second 
paragraph of the page for your convenience I included them here) 

http://forums.cpanel.net/ 

http://support.cpanel.net/ 

As to your specific problem of the private archives this is what I found when I 
looked at one of my cpanel installations: 

https://documentation.cpanel.net/display/82Docs/Mailing+Lists
https://documentation.cpanel.net/display/82Docs/Archive

Hope this helps to clarify the issues for you.  

Bryan Teague
Senior Web Administrator, 
Library and Web Services
Information Technology Services
Maher Hall 196
5998 Alcalá Park
San Diego, CA 92110-2492
Work: 619.260.7842
Cell: 619.321.7288
bry...@sandiego.edu‌

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Tom Corcoran  wrote:
> 
> I came to this group as my isp said they would not support a 3rd party.
> 
> I'm confused, Mark. I printed out the link you sent me but I was
> dumbfounded when I read through it now that there was nothing about
> clearing out the 50MB and an unhelpful page more or less telling people to
> leave the group alone :-(
> 
> Would someone on this group willing to try and help me retrieve my precious
> 50MB?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 19:30, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> 
>> On 10/1/19 8:17 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't have command line access to my cPanel - just FileManager.
>>> 
>>> How do I find out what these 50+MB are being used for and how do  I
>> recover
>>> the 50+MB?
>> 
>> See the FAQ at .
>> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

 I came to this group as my isp said they would not support a 3rd party.

I'm confused, Mark. I printed out the link you sent me but I was
dumbfounded when I read through it now that there was nothing about
clearing out the 50MB and an unhelpful page more or less telling people to
leave the group alone :-(

Would someone on this group willing to try and help me retrieve my precious
50MB?

Thanks!

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 19:30, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/1/19 8:17 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > I don't have command line access to my cPanel - just FileManager.
> >
> > How do I find out what these 50+MB are being used for and how do  I
> recover
> > the 50+MB?
>
> See the FAQ at .
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/1/19 8:17 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> 
> I don't have command line access to my cPanel - just FileManager.
> 
> How do I find out what these 50+MB are being used for and how do  I recover
> the 50+MB?


See the FAQ at .

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