Re: [Mailman-Users] Few questions and details
On 6/29/2010 10:40 PM, Joni Töyrylä wrote: The Welcome text font is smaller in admin- page. If you compare: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo http://mail.python.org/mailman/admin Yes I see that now. Thanks. Also, admin page has brackets around an email while listinfo has not ;) The two messages (Send questions and comments to mail...@example.com.) on the admin overview and If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact mail...@grizz.org. on the listinfo overview are different messages with different context. It is appropriate for the admin overview message to be parenthetical and the listinfo overview message to not be. Further, removing the parentheses from the admin message or adding them to the listinfo message changes the i18n message string and breaks 36 existing translations (or 35 not counting the Finnish translation you are working on. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Few questions and details
Mark Sapiro wrote: On 6/29/2010 12:52 AM, Joni Töyrylä wrote: I did some minor tweaking on 2.1.13 Mailman as well as went through most of the Finnish translations. Im not sure should i post this to anywhere but Here is minor changes to code: 1) Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:402:'mm-host' : Utils.get_domain() --- To get correct mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_HOST instead of server hostname, for some reason MailList.InitVars() is either not ran yet or variables has been overwritten? Im not sure why mm_cfg.py settings are not working here. I'm not sure what your issue is, but this is not correct. mm-host is supposed to be the email host of the list (the host_name attribute of the list, self.host_name in the original code), not the web (url) host returned by Utils.get_domain(). If it is not correct on some list's options page, check the list's host_name on it's admin General Options page. It seems to work, changed back. Im not sure why i got wrong name at first but now it works with self.host_name. 3) In 2.1.11 there is different fontsize in admin/listinfo pages, is this same for 2.1.13? If not, this is easily changed in MailList/Cgi/admin.py - i changed this for 2.1.11 but i dont remember was this in 2.1.13 or did i change this for 2.1.13 too... pff. Example at http://stonelake.fi/mailman/listinfo. I don't understand this question. I can't read the Finnish, but the page at http://stonelake.fi/mailman/listinfo looks like a standard Mailman listinfo overview with respect to font sizes. See, e.g. http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo. The Welcome text font is smaller in admin- page. If you compare: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo http://mail.python.org/mailman/admin Tinyfix made them both same size: http://stonelake.fi/mailman/listinfo http://stonelake.fi/mailman/admin Also, admin page has brackets around an email while listinfo has not ;) Joni Töyrylä -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Few questions and details
On 6/29/2010 12:52 AM, Joni Töyrylä wrote: I did some minor tweaking on 2.1.13 Mailman as well as went through most of the Finnish translations. Im not sure should i post this to anywhere but Here is minor changes to code: 1) Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py:402:'mm-host' : Utils.get_domain() --- To get correct mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_HOST instead of server hostname, for some reason MailList.InitVars() is either not ran yet or variables has been overwritten? Im not sure why mm_cfg.py settings are not working here. I'm not sure what your issue is, but this is not correct. mm-host is supposed to be the email host of the list (the host_name attribute of the list, self.host_name in the original code), not the web (url) host returned by Utils.get_domain(). If it is not correct on some list's options page, check the list's host_name on it's admin General Options page. 2) Mailman/MailList.py:187 and Mailman/HTMLFormatter:46 host_name = Utils.get_domain() --- Same as above Same comment as above. These are intended to be the email host name of the list, not the web host name. 3) In 2.1.11 there is different fontsize in admin/listinfo pages, is this same for 2.1.13? If not, this is easily changed in MailList/Cgi/admin.py - i changed this for 2.1.11 but i dont remember was this in 2.1.13 or did i change this for 2.1.13 too... pff. Example at http://stonelake.fi/mailman/listinfo. I don't understand this question. I can't read the Finnish, but the page at http://stonelake.fi/mailman/listinfo looks like a standard Mailman listinfo overview with respect to font sizes. See, e.g. http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] few questions
On Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 02:07:52PM -0700, Deepak K wrote: Dear All, I am a newbie to mailman. I have configured mailman version 2.0.6 in a RedHat 7.0 machine. I am quite satisfied by the intial results. However, i have following questions a) Can i have 30 to 40 different mailing list on a single machine. I have exclusively reserved a machine for this. the hardware configuration of the machine is PIII , 800 MHZ, 128 MB Ram. whether it is advisable to have 30 to 40 different mailing list having atleast 30 members in each list in a single machine. if no, please tell me how to proceed in this case by giving the changes or tuning i have to do in terms of the hardware and software configuration. I have around 100 email transactions per day in each mailing list. whether mailman performance will get affected or will it become slow if i have 30 to 40 mailing list on a single machine and have 100 email transactions per day thru each mailing list. Lessee, that's 4,000 emails/day. A friend used to handle 70,000 emails/day on a 75 mHz Pentium, which served as a hub for several organizations. We have several lists, the largest of which is 20,000 members but which gets only about one post a week, running under Mailman on an AMD K6-350 with 128M RAM. The MTA is Postfix, tuned for large peak volumes. With 150 SMTP processes, it handles the bulk of the 20,000 member delivery within perhaps three or four hours of submittal time. The machine never really raises a sweat. It does choke up the SDSL line the mail goes out through! I'd think a 486-66 with adequate RAM would be more than enough to handle the load you mention. -- - Dan Wilder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Manager Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ - -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Few questions for the Mailman list...
I'm currently compiling a list of prospective MLM software for the QUT Messaging Project (redesigning the Queensland University of Technologies email systems). We are running a mail system for approx 53,000 users supporting approx 1,500 lists. The lists are generated by the Universities student database systems at this time. I was particulalry interested in: 1. How your software stores and accesses the mailing list information (List Members, Administrators, Moderators, Members). The information for each list is stored in a large database file called config.db which is stored in a directory ~mailman/lists/email-list-name. The database stores the configuration of the list as well as the members and the configuration of each member in that file in text format. Mailman also maintains a backup copy of config.db in the file config.db.last. This is a copy of config.db before the last time it was changed. 2. What command line tools or non-web-broswer methods are available to administer the lists. From ~mailman/bin/... === add_members: add regular or digested users to a list. arch: rebuild a mailing list's archives. check_db: check a mailing list database for corruption. check_perms: check the permissions on the Mailman installation. clone_member: add a list member with identical settings as an existing list member (including password). config_list: change list configuration from the command line. digest_arch: convert majordomo archives into mailbox format. Old program, use with extreme care! dumpdb: dump the contents of a Mailman .db file. find_member: find all lists that a specified user is on. list_lists: list all the Mailman mailing lists. list_members: list all the members of a mailing list. mmsitepass: set the site password, good for admin-ing any list. move_list: move archives for a list you have renamed newlist: create a new mailing list. remove_members: remove specified members from a list. rmlist: remove an old mailing list - does not remove the archives unless you specify -a. sync_members: synchronizes mailing list membership with a flat text file. update: upgrade from previous version of Mailman to current version. version: print out the version of Mailman you are using. withlist: advanced interactions with mailing list objects. paths.py - module used by many Mailman scripts to tell it where its files are stored. 3. What tools are available to make a mass upload of lists members and owner/moderator details? You can load the members from the command line using add_members or sync_members, from the web interface you would simply cut and paste the users into the add user box on the Membership Management page. You can load the configuration from the command line using config_list, or you can use the web-based admin interface. 4. Can we link in authentication (C code) to authenticate to our password systems? Feel free - it's open-source software. Note, currently the passwords are stored in the config.db database in text format. The code used in the scripts accesses that database and simply reads in the text based passwords for comparison. You would have to find the code in each script and re-write it to use PAMS or whatever password authentication you want. There are drop and insert modules which do just that: authenticate a user/password combo against a remote or local password system. 5. Is there a webbased interface for administrator of the mail list service. Yes, a very nice one. 6. I'd also like to know what way the lists are stored... Are they in a flat file/DB/Hash? How's this achieved for your product? The lists are stored in a db format as part of the config.db file. The data is stored as text, and can be accessed and manipulated by any standard .db access program. 7. And even though we can add our own adjustments to the code for the purposes of authentication, are there plans for adding support for industry supported authentication mechanisms such as Cyrus SASL? http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/download/sasl/doc/ Again, its open-source, so feel free. I'm sure someone somewhere is looking at the integration - if it's not already done. Sure would be a good Graduate project... Hope this helps - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Few questions for the Mailman list...
On 01 October 2001, Jon Carnes said: I was particulalry interested in: 1. How your software stores and accesses the mailing list information (List Members, Administrators, Moderators, Members). The information for each list is stored in a large database file called config.db which is stored in a directory ~mailman/lists/email-list-name. The database stores the configuration of the list as well as the members and the configuration of each member in that file in text format. Mailman also maintains a backup copy of config.db in the file config.db.last. This is a copy of config.db before the last time it was changed. Jon forgot one little detail, which is the format of config.db. It's a Python marshall file, ie. written by the marshall module from Python's standard library. Mailman comes with a bunch of command-line utilities for viewing/manipulating lists, but if you need to step outside the box, you'll have to write a bit of Python code. Eg. if you run this from ~mailman: $ python Python 2.1 (#2, May 8 2001, 10:50:59) [GCC 2.95.2 2220 (Debian GNU/Linux)] on linux2 Type copyright, credits or license for more information. from marshal import load config = load(open(lists/foo/config.db)) the config.db for the foo list is loaded into a Python dictionary 'config', which you can then grub about in as much as you please. This is probably not necessary very often, but it's nice to know that it can be done. BTW, this holds for Mailman 2.0 and earlier. I believe Mailman 2.1 uses pickle (another, more powerful persistence mechanism for Python) for list config information. 6. I'd also like to know what way the lists are stored... Are they in a flat file/DB/Hash? How's this achieved for your product? The lists are stored in a db format as part of the config.db file. The data is stored as text, and can be accessed and manipulated by any standard .db access program. Were you talking about the list meta-data (name of list, subscribers, subscriber options, etc.) or the message archive itself? The archive is stored as one big traditional Unix mbox file, ie. with messages separated by \n\nFrom . I believe the web interface to the archive is generated by reading that mbox file and spewing a bunch of HTML files. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer[EMAIL PROTECTED] MEMS Exchangehttp://www.mems-exchange.org -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Few questions for the Mailman list...
On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:55:13 -0400 Greg Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, this holds for Mailman 2.0 and earlier. I believe Mailman 2.1 uses pickle (another, more powerful persistence mechanism for Python) for list config information. 2.1 implements a plugin and abstraction layer such that you can, if you write the appropriate plugin, store your subscriber database externally to Mailman, such as in an SQL DB, LDAP, etc. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
