[Mailman-Users] Re: Outlook blocked again, but strange response
Hi, Update: Sometime in the night, my IP was silently removed from Microsoft's block list. I've never had that happen, but all's well that ends well, at least for now. Jayson On 3/11/2024 10:18 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 3/11/24 6:28 PM, Jayson Smith wrote: Hi, So it's happened again and I have no idea why, though I suspect some of my IP neighbors may have been put on Microsoft's naughty list as my subnet with Linode was recently listed on Uceprotect level 2. Anyway, I go to send an Email to an Outlook user, and get the typical thing, Unfortunately, messages from XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX weren't sent. Fill out the support request, expect to get conditionally mitigated in a few hours…nope. Instead, I get this: UCEPROTECTL2 and even more egergious, UCEPROTECTL3 are IMO scam/extortion lists. They list entire netblocks and then offer to whitelist your specific IP **temporarily** for a fee. Unfortunately some ESPs do use them. Hi , Thanks for your patience, we are currently experiencing technical difficulties and our engineers are working to resolve the issue at the earliest. Dealing with Microsoft support about issues like this is a pain. My experience is it's difficult to tell whether their chatty, friendly responses are actually written by a human or a robot and you have to keep repeating stuff as they ask for things which were provided earlier in the thread, but if you are patient and persistent, you eventually get the result you want. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Re: Outlook blocked again, but strange response
> From: Lindsay Haisley > On top of this, MS Outlook servers are, and have been for a long time, > a real PITA, notorious for long time for blocking emails on very flimsy > grounds. To the best of my knowledge, there's no fix for this at the > list-server level. > > The bottom line seems to be that the only email services which work > consistently with all recipients are those with deep pockets - Gmail, > Yahoo, Microsoft email, etc. If you have the money, you can buy a > better reputation for your IP addresses are address group, but it's a > money game. Gmail is a major PITA last 12 months, (& yahoo etc long before) http://www.berklix.org/lists/#bad Greedy google forces all senders to @gmail to use DKIM/SPF so google can make more profit by reducing their staff admin cost. At cost of wasting time extorted from admins of all senders, forced to research advisability of adding SPF/DKIM to smtp (eg in my case sendmail) configs. I'm an unpaid admin with no free time to be stolen to profit google, I recall articles way back such as "SPF considered bad" but no free time to research now (as major personal events in train). gmail are literaly wasting my time & degrading my mailman lists. All @gmail addresses on berklix.org mailman lists have received nothing for a long time, blocked by google, & of course I can't email @gmail recipients to say why. If I get time, I'll write & post a small diff to hack the front page of generic Mailman source to add to Welcome pages such as http://mailman.berklix.org/mailman/listinfo a note such as: The above is a generic welcome to all global instances of Mailman. To see if there are notes specific to this server click here ___ I'm interested what independent mailman-users@ think on technical issues of DKIM/SPF, but `advice' from fined monopolist google Not wanted. http://www.berklix.net/search/#google -> https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54619148 Cheers, -- Julian Stacey. Gmail & Googlemail Fail http://berklix.org/jhs/mail/#bad Brits abroad reclaim your http://StolenVotes.UK www.gov.uk/register-to-vote Arm Ukraine.Contraception V. Global warming & resource wars. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Re: Outlook blocked again, but strange response
On 3/12/24 11:40, Julian H. Stacey wrote: I'm interested what independent mailman-users@ think on technical issues of DKIM/SPF, but `advice' from fined monopolist google Not wanted. Search RISKS archives around the time SPF was introduced, that's about the earliest discussion I know of. Non-technically it's snake oil, obviously: nothing is stopping me from buying a domain (in "national alphabets", too, so there's no shortage of names) using a stolen credit card number, "protect it" so noting comes up in whois, add all the DMARC/DKIM/SPF records imaginable, and start spamming like there is no tomorrow. Once it's blacklisted by everyone: ditch it and buy another. Rinse, lather, repeat. It's only stopping the small mom-and-pop spammers. And mailman users. Dima -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
