[MlMt] Messages not marked read on open

2014-10-01 Thread John Cooper
My preferences are set to mark messages read after 20 seconds. In every 
other mail program I've used, this setting applies only to the preview 
pane (Message View). However, when message view is off, and I 
double-click to open a message for viewing in a new window, the message 
is not marked read for 20 seconds. I can actually open a short email in 
a new window, read it, close it, and still have to mark it read 
manually. I'd prefer to have messages marked read as soon as I 
explicitly open them.

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Re: [MlMt] Messages not marked read on open

2014-10-01 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 1 Oct 2014, at 14:19, John Cooper wrote:

My preferences are set to mark messages read after 20 seconds. In 
every other mail program I've used, this setting applies only to the 
preview pane (Message View). However, when message view is off, and I 
double-click to open a message for viewing in a new window, the 
message is not marked read for 20 seconds. I can actually open a short 
email in a new window, read it, close it, and still have to mark it 
read manually. I'd prefer to have messages marked read as soon as I 
explicitly open them.


There are lots of opinions on this subject: 
http://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/402


I cannot make the above the default behavior, but I might make it 
optional at some point.


Note that you can bind a key to get this behavior, e.g.:

o =  ( setTag:, \\Seen, openMessages: );
\U000A = ( setTag:, \\Seen, openMessages: ); // Return
\U000D = ( setTag:, \\Seen, openMessages: ); // Enter

But you cannot override the double-click behavior.

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Re: [MlMt] Messages not marked read on open

2014-10-01 Thread John Cooper



On 1 Oct 2014, at 15:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

My preferences are set to mark messages read after 20 seconds. In 
every other mail program I've used, this setting applies only to the 
preview pane (Message View). However, when message view is off, and I 
double-click to open a message for viewing in a new window, the 
message is not marked read for 20 seconds. I can actually open a 
short email in a new window, read it, close it, and still have to 
mark it read manually. I'd prefer to have messages marked read as 
soon as I explicitly open them.


There are lots of opinions on this subject: 
http://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/402


No doubt, but in the ticket above, there is only one contrary opinion 
other than your own. :) And while I haven't taken a full survey, I'm 
sure that the behavior of Mail, Outlook, Entourage, Gmail and Eudora 
matches what I describe—and shouldn't these count as opinions of some 
weight?


I cannot make the above the default behavior, but I might make it 
optional at some point.


Note that you can bind a key to get this behavior, e.g.:

o =  ( setTag:, \\Seen, openMessages: );
\U000A = ( setTag:, \\Seen, openMessages: ); // Return
\U000D = ( setTag:, \\Seen, openMessages: ); // Enter

But you cannot override the double-click behavior.


Thank you for the workaround. I'll set that and train myself to use a 
keybinding instead of my mouse in MailMate.


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Re: [MlMt] Messages not marked read on open

2014-10-01 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 1 Oct 2014, at 23:20, John Cooper wrote:

There are lots of opinions on this subject: 
http://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/402


No doubt, but in the ticket above, there is only one contrary opinion 
other than your own. :) And while I haven't taken a full survey, I'm 
sure that the behavior of Mail, Outlook, Entourage, Gmail and Eudora 
matches what I describe—and shouldn't these count as opinions of 
some weight?


Most of those support POP3, encourage top posting, encourage the use of 
HTML, don't support `format=flowed`, etc. :-)


As a user of MailMate, your opinion counts more than the design choices 
of other email clients. Linking to the ticket was mainly to show you 
that there is little agreement on what would be the best behavior. (It 
was not my intention to put it to a vote.)


Thank you for the workaround. I'll set that and train myself to use a 
keybinding instead of my mouse in MailMate.


If you do get used to it then you might find that it was a good thing 
that the default behavior of double-clicking did not suit you.


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