[libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Slogan Wiki page -- Be Creative!

2010-11-12 Thread Marc Paré

I have created a wiki page for LibreOffice slogan suggestions.

Feel free to add your slogan.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Slogan

Marc


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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?

2010-11-12 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-11-12 02:26, David Nelson a écrit :

Hi David et al:


Hi, :-)

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:57, Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at  wrote:

I agree that it is not easy to follow the threads on the topics you mention,
but from our experience with the OOo Art project and even more the Branding
Initiative there are important topics to be shared between the general
marketing guys and the designers/artist working on branding and visual
design.


My idea would be that we shouldn't get *too* granular about this. I'd
see two lists: 1) Marketing (event organization, flyers, templates,
certification planning/design, etc) and 2) Artwork (technical
graphics, branding graphics, mime graphics, UX, UI, etc).


I also agree. I think that tags will eventually break down. If we were 
to establish 2 mailing lists, the marketing members should then make a 
commitment to join both mailists and lurk on the mailist that is of 
least importance to that member. This would hopefully satisfy the notion 
that the sharing of information between the two groups will still flow 
from one group to the next. OR we could have a wiki where a quick 
summary of monthly discussions were posted for membership perusal.




Obviously, there are quite a few subjects of overlapping interest, so
having just two lists makes it easier for people to monitor both but
primarily contribute to the list more central to their particular area
of expertise.


Perhaps it could be a compromise to add dedicated [TAG]s to the subject of
artwork, UX and design related topics, so they can be found very easily
while not leaving the marketing list.


Tags depend on *posting discipline*, and this seems to break down
fairly quickly after one lays down the ground rules...

Further to the discussions during to the conference call, my POV
concerning communications channels is that lists don't make a good
information storage medium. People quote badly, people go OT, people
rant, and ideas and info easily get lost in the noise. They *can* be
good for brainstorming. But very soon after each important thread
reaches a natural conclusion, someone needs to collate and summarize
the results and then post them to the wiki.

Really, personally, I prefer forums. I know different people have
different preferences, though.


You may want to consider our Nabble Gateway 
(http://www.documentfoundation.org/nabble/). It sinks with the mailists, 
Gmane and itself. All messages are seen on all 3 mediums. Nabble has the 
same structure of forums.




(Google Wave is also great for brainstorming, in many ways, but takes
some getting used to, and also demands posting discipline.)

It's useful to have an IM medium, too, as a complement for the
above. IMHO, communal Skype chats are better than IRC: easier for many
people to access and use. Plus a great feature of Skype chats is that
you can *unsay and edit* your posts when you say something
stupid/incorrect/regrettable.


I also thought that Skype chats would be a good alternative until I 
realized that I had forgotten the mantra that I was trying to perform 
on the lists where ever needed: many of our users have only dial-up or 
mobile phone connections. More often these connection are quite slow and 
limit certain activities. Skype under these conditions are definitely 
not a good alternative. As a rule, we should always try to find 
solutions that will include the possibility of 100% participation of our 
membership. Otherwise we risk marginalizing that segment of our user 
base that live by lesser means or live in areas where the connectivity 
alternatives are such that only dial-up or mobile phone connections are 
possible. These groups are often disregarded for the sake of expediency 
and relegated to lesser roles in organisations. Let's find ways that 
will permit 100% participation where possible.


In this case, I suggest we keep the Talkyoo setup as a telephone 
connection is all that is needed (notwithstanding long distance charges 
where applicable). Also, Talkyoo has generously provided and is 
sponsoring our phone conferencing. This is another way for us to 
encourage corporate sponsorship fro LibreOffice.




I really enjoy the conference calls, and feel that those discussions
facilitate good communication and enable quick arrival at a conclusion
about the topic under discussion (*providing* that people maintain
good discipline). I'd definitely like to see these continue regularly.


Yes, they are quite productive. Let's keep doing our regular monthly 
meetings.



Cheers

Marc



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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [DESIGN] Poster - [was: LibO Slogan]

2010-11-12 Thread Drew Jensen
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 08:59 +0100, Dr. Bernhard Dippold wrote:
 I'd just propose to use the Vegur font (link at the branding wiki
 page) for the
 additional text: Might improve the general impression even better.

ah - yes to everything - and actually I realized that when I changed
machines I had NOT istalled vegur font, when I did...ah things looked
better..


 
 


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?

2010-11-12 Thread Michael Wheatland
David,
As a part of the website development team I thought I might share some
info which relates directly to what you were saying.

 Further to the discussions during to the conference call, my POV
 concerning communications channels is that lists don't make a good
 information storage medium. People quote badly, people go OT, people
 rant, and ideas and info easily get lost in the noise. They *can* be
 good for brainstorming. But very soon after each important thread
 reaches a natural conclusion, someone needs to collate and summarize
 the results and then post them to the wiki.

We found exactly the same thing within the website team that too many
rants were getting in the way of progress on many topics. With the
steering committee's decision to move to Drupal within 6 months, the
team who are currently working on the implementation had to tackle
these exact issues. We have come up with a way to satisfy all (most)
of our community with forums which would also allow mailing list
functionality for those who would actually still choose to use it.

For those interested the official Drupal development site is located at:
www.libreofficeaustralia.org
(sorry about the localisation, but I plan an Aussie group setup after
it goes live on libreoffice.org)
P.S. Anyone with Drupal theme experience would be greatly appreciated.

Until the Drupal site is setup this kind of functionality will not be
'officially' available, but in the meantime the website team has been
chatting through the mailing list, tracking the ideas and progress on
the wiki and turning great ideas into reality. See:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website

 (Google Wave is also great for brainstorming, in many ways, but takes
 some getting used to, and also demands posting discipline.)

A 'Wave' is an open source federated communication protocol. In
'non-geeklish' we can install a wave server on our server and use
either a web based client or desktop clients to access the server.
This is a great idea. I will float the idea in the website mailing
list and see what kind of response I get.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] About Jens Habermann's fine artwork

2010-11-12 Thread Michael Wheatland
I really don't want another paperclip, or for that matter a septo-puss
asking me It looks like you are writing a letter, can I help?

Personally I would much prefer to avoid mascots as they tend to be
abused for demeaning tasks :)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO Slogan

2010-11-12 Thread jonathon
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On 11/12/2010 04:07 AM, Drew Jensen wrote:
 The background image is from
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/nevercoolinschool/2785475907/sizes/l/in/photostream/

You'll have to contact the photographer about licensing rights. (The
proposed usage is prohibited by the license that is displayed on flickr.)

jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams

2010-11-12 Thread jonathon
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On 11/08/2010 09:30 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

 I don't know exactly what template section you refer to, but the
 official repository for OpenOffice.org templates at
 http://templates.services.openoffice.org only accepts ODF files; of

The last time I went browsing through that section, looking for a template,
I kept hitting MSO templates.

jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO Slogan

2010-11-12 Thread Drew Jensen
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 12:53 +, jonathon wrote:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/nevercoolinschool/2785475907/sizes/l/in/photostream/
 
 You'll have to contact the photographer about licensing rights. (The
 proposed usage is prohibited by the license that is displayed on
 flickr 

Huh, I read it just the opposite - non-commercial use with attribution
sounds like like that is what this is. Anyway, an email to the person
would be standard practice for me, prior to actually pushing it out to
the wider world.

But then I'm terrible at this license stuff.

Thanks

drew


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams

2010-11-12 Thread jonathon
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On 11/08/2010 11:08 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

 I think our Drupal gurus would take up the challenge. 

The requested functionality is available as an add on module.
(It is installed on the Drupal setup I theoretically administer.)

jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Res: Res: Re: Change icon?

2010-11-12 Thread jonathon
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On 11/09/2010 03:01 PM, David Nelson wrote:

 Thanks for your time on that... I guess that puts a stopper on the paper 
 plane mascot idea then?

The critical issue is not the words paper plane, but rather what the
image looks like.

If the image is remotely similar to an existing trademarked image, then
it can not be used.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [DESIGN] Poster - [was: LibO Slogan]

2010-11-12 Thread Drew Jensen
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 06:25 -0500, Drew Jensen wrote:
 On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 08:59 +0100, Dr. Bernhard Dippold wrote:
  I'd just propose to use the Vegur font (link at the branding wiki
  page) for the
  additional text: Might improve the general impression even better.
 
 ah - yes to everything - and actually I realized that when I changed
 machines I had NOT istalled vegur font, when I did...ah things looked
 better..
 

Alright - last tweak for a couple of days anyway:
http://oucv.org/libreoffice/scale-9x-griffith-poster-3.png

The slogan text still sucks...lol

Later

Drew


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams

2010-11-12 Thread Michael Wheatland
The structure of the official LibreOffice Drupal development website
for templates has been set up and is functioning. I would be grateful
if we could have some volunteers upload a few open licence templates
to the site to test out the functionality.

You can find the official LibreOffice development site at:
www.libreofficeaustralia.org
Note:
You must create a username before uploading templates
For templates visit: http://www.libreofficeaustralia.org/download/templates

Although the site has not been themed yet (should be coming within a
couple of weeks) structure is the main focus here. Any feedback about
how the system works, ease of use or any other suggestions are more
than welcome.

Michael Wheatland
LibreOffice Drupal Website Development Team
www.libreofficeaustralia.org

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams

2010-11-12 Thread Drew Jensen
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 01:07 +0930, Michael Wheatland wrote:
 You can find the official LibreOffice development site at:
 www.libreofficeaustralia.org 

Looks great,

Mind if I steal some of the copy there for the first draft at the
current site - or would you like to move it over them maybe?

Thanks

Drew


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams

2010-11-12 Thread Michael Wheatland
 Mind if I steal some of the copy there for the first draft at the
 current site - or would you like to move it over them maybe?

It's not stealing if its open source :)
You mean the SilverStripe temp site? I don't have write access yet. I
have been hugely focussed on the longer term solution.
If you have write access, please go right ahead and move it over. As I
understand it, there is a sense of urgency starting to build.

Any suggestions or ideas on any other part of the final Drupal site
would be appreciated also.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams

2010-11-12 Thread Drew Jensen
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 01:32 +0930, Michael Wheatland wrote:
 If you have write access, please go right ahead and move it over. As I
 understand it, there is a sense of urgency starting to build. 

I do, and I will move some of the copy into the silverstripe site this
weekend then, thanks.

As for helping with the Drupal site, I will soon...

Drew


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[libreoffice-marketing] Added a couple videos to the LibreOfficeVols youtube channel

2010-11-12 Thread Drew Jensen
Hi,

Just wanted to let people know:

A couple more videos where added to the youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/libreofficeVols

Also added a link to a video, that I did not include in the channel to
the micro-blog group:
http://libreofficevols.status.net/group/vids

I'm trying to search every other day for new videos, but if you see one
drop a line here, or me an email, or use the micro-blog to get the word
out and I'll move it onto a list at the YouTube channel.

Thanks

Drew


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Welcome to marketing@libreoffice.org

2010-11-12 Thread Andy Rogers
Hi Bernard

Thanks for the reply, yes i would be a good idea to create a wiki page, I
did find it a little difficult where best to send messages to etc about
support, im just going over my options now about in which direction I feel I
would best fir  support LibreOffice moving forward.

Andy

On 11 November 2010 22:39, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.atwrote:

 Hi David, welcome Andy!

 Andy, as you sent similar mails to the different mailing lists you
 subscribed to, it seems that we really lack in communication about the topic
 of the different lists as well as how to use them in general.

 So we should create a wiki page (might be moved over to the website later
 on) containing the necessary information.

 David Nelson schrieb:

 Hi Andy, :-)

 [...]


  Are you interested in developing content for
 http://test.documentfoundation.org?


 You probably mean the LibreOffice website (actually at
 http://test.libreoffice.org) instead of the TDF website.

  [...]


 Im newish to the mailing list for LibreOffice, but I would like to offer
 some help with LibreOffice in some shape or form going forward (but not
 programming at the moment).


 That's the way most of us are trying to support LibreOffice.


 [...]


 I mainly come from an administration background in work, but am moving
 more
 and more to my preferred role as IT becomes more utilised in my work
 place.

 If you could suggest some areas which I can assist in longterm, or
 suggestions, or have any questions or need any more information please
 email
 me.


 As you probably found out by now, we post our replies, suggestions and
 questions to the mailing list address and the list servers distributes them
 to all the people subscribed to the list.

 This is better than PM (personal mail) in most cases, because other people
 can join the discussion or know that the question has been replied already.

 The only one able to find out the right area for your contribution is just
 yourself. As David already mentioned, it depends on your interests -
 technical skills as you mention might be very helpful in QA (quality
 assurance) and documentation (network install and things like that), but
 these topics are discussed on dedicated mailing lists (I don't know if you
 are subscribed to libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org  or
 documentat...@libreoffice.org).

 Here in marketing we work on different ways to improve public recognition
 for LibO, on branding and visual design and so on.


  Im not to sure of how best to start the LibreOffice community but am open
 for direction to the correct people etc.


 There are quite a number of interesting threads (follow-ups of mails
 created by replying to an existent mail - most mail clients allow to sort
 the mails by these threads) discussed here on the list (and on the other
 lists you subscribed to).

 Feel free to share your thoughts on these topics by replying to any
 interesting mail.

 To start a new topic, don't reply to an existent mail, but create a new
 mail and send it to the mailing list.

 Best regards

 Bernhard

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[libreoffice-marketing] Logo Enhancements

2010-11-12 Thread Johannes Bausch
Hey,

I see no general problem with the current logo. However, just using a
font, typing a name and saying this is my logo is not the way logos
are done, usually at least. I know we're just at the beginning but
still I felt like doing some enhancements. So here we are:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo.svg
I've changed several things:
* ffi ligature
* raised the lower line of both c and e
* reduced and evened space between letters
* fixed base line
* fixed weird bend on e
I know, it's not perfect but I hope you like it anyways...

Joey

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements

2010-11-12 Thread Johannes Bausch
By the way: can I rename files on the wiki? Logo.svg is not really
self-descriptive and I just noticed it after having uploaded the file.
Thanks.

2010/11/12 Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com:
 Hey,

 I see no general problem with the current logo. However, just using a
 font, typing a name and saying this is my logo is not the way logos
 are done, usually at least. I know we're just at the beginning but
 still I felt like doing some enhancements. So here we are:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo.svg
 I've changed several things:
 * ffi ligature
 * raised the lower line of both c and e
 * reduced and evened space between letters
 * fixed base line
 * fixed weird bend on e
 I know, it's not perfect but I hope you like it anyways...

 Joey


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?

2010-11-12 Thread Cor Nouws

Bernhard Dippold wrote (12-11-10 00:57)


I agree that it is not easy to follow the threads on the topics you


I too have to make choices, and do skip threads.


mention, but from our experience with the OOo Art project and even more
the Branding Initiative there are important topics to be shared between
the general marketing guys and the designers/artist working on
branding and visual design.


Indeed. So one, at most two lists, is best, AFAIAC.

Ciao - Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?

2010-11-12 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 19:56, Michael Wheatland
mich...@wheatland.com.au wrote:
 A 'Wave' is an open source federated communication protocol. In
 'non-geeklish' we can install a wave server on our server and use
 either a web based client or desktop clients to access the server.
 This is a great idea. I will float the idea in the website mailing
 list and see what kind of response I get.

Actually, Michael, I feel that TDF could actually lighten its workload
quite a bit by relying on outside services from robust sources such as
Google for quite a few things, and would then be able to focus its
efforts on deploying and maintaining those things for which it really
feels the effort is worthwhile, such as the blog and the wiki. Google
Apps provides Wave - and lots of other useful collaboration
facilities. Why re-invent the wheel?

0.2 cents. ;-)

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibO Slogan

2010-11-12 Thread Andy Brown

On Fri Nov 12 2010 16:35:07 GMT-0800 (PST)  Michel Gagnon wrote:

Le 2010-11-12 17:01, Marc Paré a écrit :


You can find the Wiki page under Marketing.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Slogan

Cheers

Marc




Is there a way to link it to the main page? Right now, it is impossible 
to find from the Marketing page (unless I need new glasses).


Regards,




On the right hand side is a list, under Wiki, that has Home, Events, 
etc.  Marketing is listed fifth one down.  That being said the Slogan 
page does not seem to be referenced on the Marketing page.


HTH


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?

2010-11-12 Thread Ivan M.
Hi all,

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 [...]
 I'd propose to use the tag [DESIGN], as it covers not only artwork, branding
 and visual design, but usability design and UI design too.

 If this tag is not sufficient to differ these topics from general marketing,
 we should definitely ask for a dedicated list (and consistent with the tag
 I'd call it des...@libreoffice.org - what actually has been Christoph's idea
 I present now shamelessly)

+1. I think it's a good term that encompasses UX as well (if we don't
want separate UX/branding lists).

Regards,
Ivan.

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[libreoffice-marketing] Ubuntu Artwork Team

2010-11-12 Thread John Baer
Hello everyone,

Just checking in with my 1st post to this list. The Ubuntu Artwork Team was
approached by David Nelson with a follow-up by Christoph Noack to assist
with artwork and artistic design.

It appears this project is moving at a very fast pace but we are willing to
assist as time and resources permit. I must admit what I see is very good!

We manage our effort as tasks and we will need guidance from this team on
the tasks we accept.

Although this is very granular, my suggestion is to submit a request to our
mailing for a specific item you are looking to create. From the request I
will create a specification which acts like a blueprint. We will also need
to box in effort by setting milestones and/or due dates. :-)

Applying the agile principle of define - don't assign and a completed spec
we will solicit submissions for your consideration. As the owner of the
request this team or a duly selected representative will select the
successful candidate.

And the process repeats. :D

With full transparency I must advise we are a volunteer community and I can
not guarantee we will deliver on time, every time, with an acceptable
product. However many hands make for lite work and everything we do
successfully will be one less thing for this team.

Our wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork

Best regards,

John
Ubuntu Artwork Team
ubuntu-...@lists.ubuntu.com

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibO Slogan

2010-11-12 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-11-12 19:45, Andy Brown a écrit :

On Fri Nov 12 2010 16:35:07 GMT-0800 (PST) Michel Gagnon wrote:

Le 2010-11-12 17:01, Marc Paré a écrit :


You can find the Wiki page under Marketing.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Slogan

Cheers

Marc




Is there a way to link it to the main page? Right now, it is
impossible to find from the Marketing page (unless I need new glasses).


Some of the teamwork is being done on the wiki pages as well as on the 
discussion groups. If they are both being run at the same time, then it 
is advertised on the mailist.




Regards,




On the right hand side is a list, under Wiki, that has Home, Events,
etc. Marketing is listed fifth one down. That being said the Slogan page
does not seem to be referenced on the Marketing page.


It should not show on the main page as it is a work in progress 
project by our group. See below.




HTH




Actually, it is not listed on the main page. Our wiki is found on 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org (easy to remember as all you have to 
do is add the word  wiki  before the official site name  
documentfoundation.org  . The wiki pages are our working pages that 
we insider groups use to work on different projects before the results 
are posted on the official site. Some pages will never be listed as they 
are just working pages. Browse around the other sections. If you see 
something that you would like to participate, just join and participate 
(make sure that you make your presence known to the participants). We 
are a community run distro.


So you just go to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org, look for 
Marketing in the left hand menu and you will find it in that section.


Marc


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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?

2010-11-12 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2010-11-12 22:04, Michael Wheatland a écrit :

  Why re-invent the wheel?
  - David


Because google has announced it will be removing the wheel before the
end of next year.
Google has also open sourced the blueprints for the wheel and made it
very easy to construct your own wheel.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Missing_Wheel.jpg
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/update-on-google-wave.html



Many people found Wave too confusing and the learning curve was still to 
steep for regular users. I belong to groups who tried and it was 
abandoned. I think Wave was trying to be too much of a cooperative 
Swiss army knife and forgot that people want simplicity.


It wouldn't surprise me if Google came back with a modified version that 
is less daunting for simple users. To make it work, you must have mass 
appeal and a simple and seamless operation.


Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibO Slogan

2010-11-12 Thread Graham Lauder
On Saturday 13 Nov 2010 13:45:07 Andy Brown wrote:
 On Fri Nov 12 2010 16:35:07 GMT-0800 (PST)  Michel Gagnon wrote:
  Le 2010-11-12 17:01, Marc Paré a écrit :
  You can find the Wiki page under Marketing.
  
  http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Slogan
  
  Cheers
  
  Marc
  
  Is there a way to link it to the main page? Right now, it is impossible
  to find from the Marketing page (unless I need new glasses).
  
  Regards,
 
 On the right hand side is a list, under Wiki, that has Home, Events,
 etc.  Marketing is listed fifth one down.  That being said the Slogan
 page does not seem to be referenced on the Marketing page.
 


Fixed, My fault I forgot to reference the template at the bottom of the page 
which is just good wiki discipline.  Clicking on MarketingIndex will open it 
for editing so you can add new pages to the index template

Cheers
GL

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