[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
And when we're at it: Can we sit down and make a LibO logo contest? With a deadline? I suggest the following: 1) Have a contest for a general mockup, this includes * Logo symbol * Logo text (see issue I already mentioned, we need the text path to be refined somehow) * Icons for files and applications * (Mascot) The deadline for this part should be something like in two weeks or so, mainly because we already have so many great ideas but they're somehow spread a bit too far away. Then we decide upon the general elements. Paper plane or book as symbol (just examples), which logo text etc. will all be decided by vote. I'm not sure how that can be done on a mailing list but I'm sure someone of you has an idea for that. 2) Have an actual logo contest Now that we have the elements, we want the people to make great artwork out of it. This includes the same things as before: * Logo, different versions (color, grayscale, black, inverted), different formats (small, square?, only symbol) * Icons The deadline for this second part should be something like two further weeks along. We could also attract more artists in participating here - I think it is not bad for your reputation as an artist if YOUR logo is being used in such an application. I'd really appreciate some feedback on these ideas of mine. If you think this is a good idea I can set up a wiki page with the guidelines. Thanks, Joey 2010/11/12 Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com: By the way: can I rename files on the wiki? Logo.svg is not really self-descriptive and I just noticed it after having uploaded the file. Thanks. 2010/11/12 Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com: Hey, I see no general problem with the current logo. However, just using a font, typing a name and saying this is my logo is not the way logos are done, usually at least. I know we're just at the beginning but still I felt like doing some enhancements. So here we are: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo.svg I've changed several things: * ffi ligature * raised the lower line of both c and e * reduced and evened space between letters * fixed base line * fixed weird bend on e I know, it's not perfect but I hope you like it anyways... Joey -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ubuntu Artwork Team
Hi! I'm a freelance designer and a core member of the Ubuntu Artwork Team. On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 22:47 -0500, John Baer wrote: Just checking in with my 1st post to this list. The Ubuntu Artwork Team was approached by David Nelson with a follow-up by Christoph Noack to assist with artwork and artistic design. We manage our effort as tasks and we will need guidance from this team on the tasks we accept. So far the Ubuntu Artwork Team has been about design and artwork for Ubuntu and Ubuntu-specific projects. While I can only encourage our members to work in other FLOSS projects, too, I have my doubts that our team is the right forum. Or that we should be represented as a unit here. Especially now, when we are trying to reorganize after a period of very low productivity. Although this is very granular, my suggestion is to submit a request to our mailing for a specific item you are looking to create. From the request I will create a specification which acts like a blueprint. We will also need to box in effort by setting milestones and/or due dates. :-) Applying the agile principle of define - don't assign and a completed spec we will solicit submissions for your consideration. As the owner of the request this team or a duly selected representative will select the successful candidate. I think such requests and specifications should be managed inside the LibreOffice project. (The concept of a project-neutral online platform for managing assets, requests for artwork/design, structured design processes ... has been floating around and discussed at UDS a little bit.) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ubuntu Artwork Team
Hi John, hi Thorsten :-) On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 17:44, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: I think such requests and specifications should be managed inside the LibreOffice project. (The concept of a project-neutral online platform for managing assets, requests for artwork/design, structured design processes ... has been floating around and discussed at UDS a little bit.) First of all, a big welcome to the list, and a very big thanks for having responded to my contact-making. During the marketing conference call on November 11, we discussed bridge-building with Linux distributions, as well as the kind and helpful responses we had from the Ubuntu Artwork group. Speaking personally, but not in any kind of official capacity as regards TDF, I hope that this is going to be just the start of a long-lasting relationship between the LibreOffice community and Ubuntu. At the present time, there is still much organization work to be done within TDF/LibO, and we will perhaps be able to respond to you more meaningfully very soon. I, for one, undertake to follow-up with you, John, Thorsten and the Ubuntu Artwork project, in the very near future. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?
Hi, :-) On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:19, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-11-12 22:04, Michael Wheatland a écrit : Why re-invent the wheel? - David Because google has announced it will be removing the wheel before the end of next year. Google has also open sourced the blueprints for the wheel and made it very easy to construct your own wheel. http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Missing_Wheel.jpg http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/update-on-google-wave.html Many people found Wave too confusing and the learning curve was still to steep for regular users. I belong to groups who tried and it was abandoned. I think Wave was trying to be too much of a cooperative Swiss army knife and forgot that people want simplicity. Google Wave was just a possibility mentioned; I'm not even sure if it would be a popular choice. It's a great tool, but involves a bit of a learning curve for many people. The public Wave service was discontinued earlier this year, IIRC. But it is still offered as a Labs product in Google Apps (I'm talking about Google Apps for domains and organizations). However, whether or not Wave lives on, I feel that Google Apps has a number of other extremely useful tools that TDF/LibO could use, and it was more those wheels I was suggesting that we don't re-invent. :-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi, :-) On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 17:16, Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com wrote: And when we're at it: Can we sit down and make a LibO logo contest? With a deadline? I suggest the following: +1 for a contest. IMHO, 3 or 4 weeks would be more realistic than 2. But, again IMHO, it will be very difficult to organize in the current state of project governance. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ubuntu Artwork Team
Hello and welcome to the wonderful people at the Ubuntu art team. Firstly may I recognise the efforts that the whole Ubuntu community has performed so well as to propel linux to the forefront of stable, user friendly operating systems. I myself am a dedicated Ubuntu user, that being the reason I joined up with the LibreOffice community. Clearly there are very strong bonds between the communities which will assist both Ubuntu and LibreOffice become one of, if not the primary choice for desktop computers. One thing that springs to mind immediately is the use of icon sets and colour schemes in what has been OpenOffice.org and the way we could significantly improve both operating system and LibreOffice integration and consistancy by working together to ensure the LibreOffice interface reflects the modern, professional operating system that Ubuntu has become, largely due to the Ubuntu artwork team's efforts. I would be more than willing to contribute in any way I can with the inclusion, integration and cooperation between Ubuntu and LibreOffice. Could I suggest, being 'customers' of LibreOffice, the Ubuntu community should have a discussion regarding the 'ideal outcome' of this type of integration and the ways we could go about affecting this change. Again, Welcome and thanks for your support. Michael Wheatland -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 10:16 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote: And when we're at it: Can we sit down and make a LibO logo contest? With a deadline? I suggest the following: A point of view to add: http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2010/01/specs-and-contests-we-all-lose.html -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ubuntu Artwork Team
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 22:07 +0930, Michael Wheatland wrote: One thing that springs to mind immediately is the use of icon sets and colour schemes in what has been OpenOffice.org and the way we could significantly improve both operating system and LibreOffice integration and consistancy by working together to ensure the LibreOffice interface reflects the modern, professional operating system that Ubuntu has become, largely due to the Ubuntu artwork team's efforts. You have to differentiate between the Artwork Team (community) and the Design Team (Canonical). What you *see* if you install Ubuntu is the work of the Design Team, except for the icons. Of course we talk with each other :) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
On Saturday 13 Nov 2010 22:16:05 Johannes Bausch wrote: And when we're at it: Can we sit down and make a LibO logo contest? With a deadline? I suggest the following: 1) Have a contest for a general mockup, this includes * Logo symbol * Logo text (see issue I already mentioned, we need the text path to be refined somehow) * Icons for files and applications Frankly, as I've stated previously, I don't like contests, Contests rarely deliver anything that is consistent across the brand and they don't build community. I would prefer that we focus on building our own Art community so that we can build continuity into our branding. Artwork is an ongoing process as is branding, we don't have contests for code contributions, marketing plans, pamphlets and so on so why should we do it for Branding elements. At the moment we have three very good proposals from people within the community, let's use one of them. We don't need a contest with all the associated hoopla and nonsense when we can look at what we have and develop those through a collaborative process rather than a competitive one. cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi! I am against a contest, too. in my opinion you simply cannot create a brand design based on a random logo. This was indeed the problem with OOo: everytime I created stuff was working around guidelines and community elected gfx. And it was quite difficult, because the parts were not fitting together most time. We shouldn´t make the same mistakes... Jens -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi, :-) IMHO, it would be a good idea to have a competition for the logo choice. It's a good way of attracting new contributors. And aren't Open Source projects supposed to be founded on meritocracy? One of the rules of entry could be that, if their work wins, entrants should be willing to contribute to LibO/TDF in the long-term, and be part of the process of developing and maintaining their material. I agree that a hit-and-run win is not beneficial for the project. But the contact-building I've started with Linux distributions tells me that there are quite a few people out there who'd be willing to do work for LibO. 0.2 cents. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Thanks Sophie, I didn't know that there was already so much progress, I definitely missed a chapter or two here... But could you please tell me, this isn't a definitive logo / version, right? But rather an interim solution that was set up when the foundation has been established? With kind regards, Ismaël Grammenidis -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
That's what I thought, too. But I may be mistaken. What about the enhancements of the logo I proposed in my first mail? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo.svg 2010/11/13 Ismaël Grammenidis ismael.grammeni...@gmail.com: Thanks Sophie, I didn't know that there was already so much progress, I definitely missed a chapter or two here... But could you please tell me, this isn't a definitive logo / version, right? But rather an interim solution that was set up when the foundation has been established? With kind regards, Ismaël Grammenidis -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 17:31 +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote: You should have license and author, and derive it via ODF processing and not enter it with a simple CCK field. Moreover, it should be investigated what kind of commitment the Document Foundation took towards Richard Stallman about nonfree add-ons, see http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters Hi Andrea, Well, that is how the OO.o team did it, reading the license out of the properties of the template - but I'm not so sure that is the right way to do it. I use the templates from time to time and have been burned twice by that little feature - cause if you forget to remove it then the document you create retains the original license, but in the case of work for hire it can not and the final document does not relate any longer to the templates license as far as I an concerned - although other may disagree. I would really like to hear your and other's thoughts on that actually. As for the FSF/ R.S. opinions - not everyone agrees with them as I am sure you are aware. Thanks Drew -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi Sophie, all! Sophie, thanks for answering this ... I tried to keep a minimum distance of 2m to my computer in the last 20 hours :-) Am Samstag, den 13.11.2010, 17:31 +0100 schrieb Sophie Gautier: Hi Ismael, Johannes, all, On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Johannes Bausch johannes.bau...@gmail.com wrote: That's what I thought, too. But I may be mistaken. What about the enhancements of the logo I proposed in my first mail? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo.svg Christoph or Bernhard will be definitely better to answer you here I haven't followed closely all the graphical part, sorry. I'd like to focus on one detail at the moment: the ligatures. There has been a small discussion within one of the blog posts (thus, hidden and not that visible at all) - please have a look at the very last comment at [1]. The name is trademarked so you can't make it different than LibreOffice (this answers Ismaël about Libre Office, LIBRE-OFFICE or Libre OFFICE forms). But the graphical part is not fixed yet if I remember well. However, we have had already a large press coverage and I feel that it's important to stick with the initial branding that has been launched. I know for example that several sites offering our product to download are using our logo. I already saw some graphic drafts that presented different versions of the LibreOffice text or even The Document Foundation. Especially since we are new, I think everybody agrees that this should be avoided to strengthen our brand. Concerning the graphical part - there is a work items list that has been published by André some days ago [2]. I admit that some things are not added yet, but the general roadmap is there (and has been +1ed by some people here on this list). The proposal/decision was to finalize the initial branding, and use the next weeks/months to work on a community branding. My personal wish is, that we can detail this list ... e.g. to make sure that the website team gets its graphics, the presentation template is well tested, etc. Christoph, could you in/validate or correct what I'm saying, I really feel not an expert here :-) You should ;-) Earlier in this thread, the idea of a contest came up ... I'd like to add some more thoughts. I second Jens' thoughts that it is bad to build a branding on something like a random logo. Within OOo, we had the discussion whether pre-selected graphics (Splash Screens in this case) by some kid of jury might help to ensure the quality and the correct branding. I don't know whether this is still a good idea ... but it would have helped a lot. Voters usually miss the broader view on what the brand requires. And, I strongly second the mentioned a solid base to start from, like values and goals by Ismael. From my point-of-view, a contest should focus on the visual language (the main idea) - based on commonly agreed values for our project. But do we have some? I think - at the moment - everybody has its very own idea, here (myself included *g*). Thus, I think it is a good idea to go with a rather neutral initial branding and - at the same time - work towards a community branding. And here, I'm very happy to so many people who also valued this within OpenOffice.org :-) Cheers, Christoph [1] http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/fontastic-how-libreoffice-got-its-font.html [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Work_Items#Marketing -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Help creating the initial content of libreoffice.org - in terms of structure and content
Hi *, soon the libreoffice.org website is meant to be moved from the temporary test.libreoffice.org name to libreoffice.org - but at the moment we're lacking a structure and content. At the last marketing conference call the lack of content was mentioned, and people did suggest to create a template-style structure that has just to be filled with content to make it easier for content providers. So please chime in and provide input (possible within the next 48hours) to kick it off. What is needed: * A structure that can be filled with content quickly (release of final version is not too far away). No future ideas or would be nice to have items, but stuff that are of relevance now. * content to fill that structure with life As it has been indicated at several places, people are unsure where to put stuff, what stuff to provide. An empty set of placeholder pages would help those contributors, provide guidance for all. And of course if you have appropriate content already up your sleeve - just provide it. If you don't want to put it up on the site yourself, then post a link, paste the content to a mail and send it off to the webs...@libreoffice.org list and someone else will put it up. What about localized content? * The focus should be in defining a structure for the globally relevant stuff at first. The pages at [www.]libreoffice.org should be relevant for all users of LO, no matter what language they speak. That being said, it is of course possible to provide translations of the content on [www.]libreoffice.org - that content will then be linked directly, no need to manually maintain a list of available translations - and for pages where no translations are available, a fallback to the english content will occur. * If you have globally valid content created already in your language, this should be copied to the main [www.]libreoffice.org site [1] * content that is of relevance only for one specific NL-group should be put on the lang.libreoffice.org subsites How would I get access to the CMS system to provide the content myself? * register an user account at http://www.test.libreoffice.org/ForumMemberProfile/register (https is also possible, but as it is for documentfoundation.org, you might need to add exceptions to your browser) * Send mail to the webs...@libreoffice.org mailinglist in order for one of the admins to grant you access This sounds complicated/I don't want to use the cms * in case you want to give feedback on the website's structure, reply to the webs...@openoffice.org mailinglist * Regarding content: Create it as plaintext or add it to the wiki or some other site, then post to the list asking someone else to add it to the CMS. ciao Christian [1] to use this site from within the NL-subsite, you can setup a Subsite VirtualPage that internally links to the site ans will make the content available on your subsite as if it was part of the subsite -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi Christoph, On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote: Hi Sophie, all! Sophie, thanks for answering this ... I tried to keep a minimum distance of 2m to my computer in the last 20 hours :-) Thanks a lot for your answer and sorry to be a distance reducer this evening ;) Kind regards Sophie -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO Slogan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/12/2010 12:58 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: (The proposed usage is prohibited by the license that is displayed on flickr Huh, I read it just the opposite - non-commercial use with attribution sounds like like that is what this is. If it was CC-BY, or CC-BY-SA you'd be OK. The issue is that it is a CC-BY-NC license, and the proposed usage meets the criteria of commercial endeavour. [I've come across several business that prohibit their employees from attending any conferences in the state of California, regardless of the connection of the conference to the company, because that attendance can trip the commercial endeavour criteria used by the California franchise tax board.] Anyway, an email to the person would be standard practice for me, But then I'm terrible at this license stuff. Since your standard is to contact the license holder, prior to distribution, to verify that the proposed usage is acceptable to them, then you are doing the required due diligence. Which means that even if you don't grok the license, you won't run afoul of the license. jonathon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM3venAAoJEOpnmQXT8Ln/nTcH/1hTbOUv2dox702c9nX1EWHF iZ8M9gDxbUBLRbJKqwDtM6ahOIRF61t+uW/ITtnFXBSYgXzG/GdXidGBT7GH8iX0 fcbzcP+KUWITS1hgZY5qjEzYoSwEKnZ367HeDe7DKEx0SI9mto2/AbuVWa0CRWw8 wJFYbEBKWL5U5a/smpLi19YyC/jUX94/q32/jQGr64b2ISl41wcDWlnZNE3CQIZ2 Hy9c9F0+4DHiNvWw3MY13ZidwZO8Ntw3XT3va3+e5mDPmGdP3XzK4guH4WiZuvU9 Lbt2QHXbCFjG0IM5ZCFPo84kWRc386IeHiZRym7hTVvZyl8tJKwUxfL9fQ+q6C8= =9iNv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Thoughts and drafts for logo-type
Hi! I see some issues with the type of the preliminary logo. The combination of the top of the 2nd f and the dot of the i is a little unfortunate. The b and r might work for body text, but not here. Setting Libre in bold only emphasizes the unfortunate proportion of the 2 words (close to, but not quite the same width). I don’t get the The Document Foundation tag-line. Usually you put something there that further describes the thing in question. Would have to be By the Document Foundation, then, but that’s not hot, either. http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/libreoffice_logo-type_set_01.png The current logo on top, followed by the name set in the same type (Vegur), without bold. My drafts below the line. I just had to play with the ffi ligature, but the connected-dot variant requires a thinning of the stroke that would be the wrong style if applied elsewhere. Of course I thought a bit about the desired characteristics of the type, what it should express, ideally. LibreOffice is a very sophisticated piece of software and project. Suitable for use in business. There has to be a sense of reliability, precision, performance. It’s an open project, welcoming contributors, so I looked for wide and round shapes. The design should be contemporary (to not say modern), but not trendy (as in short-lived). (http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/11/13/libreoffice-logo/) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] [MEETINGS] Next Marketing Conference Call, Date / Time
Hi all, Florian told me that he will be unable to organize a conference call next week. So I'll try to do that ... Please cast your vote - as usual via Doodle - here: http://www.doodle.com/3y9nfq8bnihpz9dc Please add your agenda items here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/ConfCalls Disclaimer: This is the first time I organize such stuff with Doodle and work with this conferencing system. Additionally, I do have some serious time constraints due to my day job (at the moment). So please expect mistakes and inconveniences. But for the rest, I'll try to do my best :-) Cheers, Christoph -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
Drew Jensen wrote: On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 17:31 +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote: You should have license and author, and derive it via ODF processing and not enter it with a simple CCK field. Moreover, it should be investigated what kind of commitment the Document Foundation took towards Richard Stallman about nonfree add-ons, see http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters Well, that is how the OO.o team did it, reading the license out of the properties of the template - but I'm not so sure that is the right way To me, if an ODF Templates repository does not use the ODF possibilities in an optimal way then there is something wrong somewhere: everything should be stored and read from the ODF template itself, so that the template file is self-contained. ODF can do this and this just seems the right solution to me. I use the templates from time to time and have been burned twice by that little feature - cause if you forget to remove it then the document you create retains the original license It's enough to make the field more explicit and call it Template License; this is not a blocker. the final document does not relate any longer to the templates license as far as I an concerned - although other may disagree. I would really like to hear your and other's thoughts on that actually. I tend to have the same opinion as yours (i.e., template license does not affect document license) but I prefer when the template author makes it explicit. Again, this would only be a matter of adding the properties Template License and Derived Documents License when creating the ODF file, and you can have your doubts immediately solved. As for the FSF/ R.S. opinions - not everyone agrees with them as I am sure you are aware. This does not affect my question. I'll restate it. On the Document Foundation site http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters (NOT the FSF site), one can read: --- FSF President Richard Stallman welcomed LibreOffice release and it's [sic] stated policy of only recommending free software. I'm very pleased that the Document Foundation will not recommend nonfree add-ons... --- so it seems this is a Document Foundation policy, and as such it should affect whatever template repository is set up by the Document Foundation. Of course, I don't know more than what is published there. Regards, Andrea. -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 23:15 +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote: It's enough to make the field more explicit and call it Template License; this is not a blocker. That might work actually. Drew -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
Andrea, Is there a design specification, say on a wiki, of the OO.o template site ODF processing of template thumbnails? I am not well versed in command line ODF processing, but once we have it set up it should be reasonably easy to integrate with the system I have setup. On the licencing front, there is still debate in the steering committee as to whether an enforced licence within the community should take affect, so I will wait until this discussion has concluded before launching efforts on this front. My time on this will be divided, so it might take a few weeks to setup the thumbnail processing. Thanks for the feedback, Michael Wheatland -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Marketing suggestion: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice
Proposal for significantly enlarging LibreOffice's user base with Screenwright(R) 13 November 2010 by Alan C. Baird, prizewinning writer and creator of the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatter [winner of the Sun/OOo CIP award] http://w.9TimeZones.com/avails.htm http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/scr2 http://development.openoffice.org/awardees-2008.html Executive Summary: enable screenplay formatting in LibreOffice to distinguish it from OpenOffice. Pitch: Every aspiring screenwriter has a movie in his/her head that needs to get down on paper. However, some film production companies won't accept a script submission if the formatting is even ONE POSITION off! So ensuring that screenplays are formatted correctly is an obsession of screenwriters everywhere. But formatting a script can be an expensive proposition; 78 commercial formatters are listed at The Writers Store. A screenwriter could easily spend $200 or more on software, just to get a screenplay into acceptable shape. UNLESS s/he uses LibreOffice in conjunction with the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatting template. We all want our scripts to be eligible for the next multimillion-dollar spec auction, so some of us even carry our latest screenplays in our glove compartments, on the off-chance that we might meet someone who can help. In the movie Monster In A Box, Spalding Gray talks about one of his trips to Los Angeles: «I had no idea how difficult it would be to find people not involved in the film industry until I got out there and saw a special on television - in which they were interviewing people in the parking lot of a Shop Rite supermarket. As people came out with their groceries, the interviewer would go up to them and say, Hi there, good morning! Tell us, how's your film script going? And everyone said, What?! How did you know? Right up to the cashier.» If the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatting template can be included as an integral part of the upcoming LibreOffice release, it will send a clear signal--to filmmakers in particular and to the Entertainment sector in general--that LibreOffice is ready to address the industry's unique text-processing and -formatting needs. News travels fast among members of the Entertainment industry, and they tend to be the gatekeepers and style leaders for the culture at large. Historical context: OOo Writer is the first (and for now, the only) full-featured word processor that will easily format a screenplay at no cost whatsoever. But it requires a template download. If LibreOffice wants to capitalize on this unique opportunity, the template could be integrated in the upcoming LibreOffice release. Alan C. Baird Mesa, Arizona USA acba...@yahoo.com Extra: using your iPod to write screenplays. [You can also use your iPhone, thumb/flash drive, mp3 player, or favorite USB storage device.] It's a snap: A) At the bottom of your iPod's Summary tab in iTunes, check the Enable disk use box, and click the Apply button. B) Download and install the latest free OpenOffice.org (LibreOffice?) Portable suite on your iPod. http://portableapps.com/apps/office/openoffice_portable C) Download and install this free scr2.ott template on your iPod. When we stay in Tucson with my wife's friend--who has a Windows computer, but no Internet connection--I keep myself entertained by working on my latest screenplay or just kicking back and listening to some music (perhaps Mark Knopfler's Screenplaying). I can also use the iPod to revise my script on the public computers in: (1) my local library, (2) London's Heathrow airport, (3) Beijing's cyber-cafés, etc. PS: My iPod is one of the smallest models, an old 2GB Nano. I had already loaded nearly 18 hours of music (201 songs) and 33 photos onto it. Now that it contains the OpenOffice.org (LibreOffice?) Portable software and my screenplay, it still shows over 606MB (33%) of free space. -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibO Slogan Wiki Page
Le 2010-11-13 12:52, Christoph Noack a écrit : That's a good statement - I also felt a bit unsure whether people might think this is an official working product. At the same time there are many pages that are not linked to the main page, but are there for some official reason. So I'd like to propose to move the page below the Marketing Ideas [1], since it seems (at the moment) concept development which already provides a lot of content (personally, I like the good introduction and the examples - but please see below). How about: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas/Slogan Would that be okay? The old location will be redirected automatically, so no issues ... Yes, it does make sense. Please go ahead. I don't have admin permissions to do this. And by the way, it seems that we have to be a bit cautious concerning the given statements on the page: * The Oxford Dictionary says you may not ... display or distribute any part of Oxford Dictionaries on any electronic network * The different examples do cite some trademarked / registered brands Should that be removed / changed? I have instead put a Chicago style citation that should cover this. The word slogan will now appear and the citation link will forward people to the page. The words on the Oxford Dictionary pages also contain a Cite button that helps style the citation for that particular word. I don't think the format that I used was in the wrong but no problem with being careful. Thanks for the heads up. Cheers, Christoph [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi Graham, :-) On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 06:24, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org wrote: I'm sorry I'm having difficulty debating this in real time, my right arm is still in plaster so it's a little hard to keep up, plaster off on wednesday hopefully. :) Thanks for your thoughts. You seem to be managing fine. I'm sure we'll be able to get the full benefit of your long experience once you can type with two hands again. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [COMMUNICATION] Better conferencing? (was: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?)
Hi, :-) On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 05:17, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote: I also thought that Skype chats would be a good alternative until I realized that I had forgotten the mantra that I was trying to perform on the lists where ever needed: many of our users have only dial-up or mobile phone connections. It's true that this is a consideration not to lose sight of. But many Web 2.0 possibilities are out of range for these people. Yet, happily, not the conference calls, however. Very good point! A mailing list is something which does not only work for people with low bandwidth, but also with (temporarily) no Internet connection at all. Many people I know, do work on emails and such stuff when away from home (sitting in a train, on the way to their day jobs, ...). This work offline requirement had already been mentioned by Bernhard. Point taken... But then it's preferable for people to maintain good posting discipline in all respects (proper quoting, etc.). There are people on this list that need frequent reminding about that... ;-) Another thing to have in mind is, that some people do feel uncomfortable when using certain communication channels. For example, in Germany people usually are a bit more cautious when large companies process / own a lot of data (Facebook, Google ... just to name a few). For them it is important to own the data. Yes, this is an important consideration, and a complex topic. But it would be there even if TDF installed OpenMeeting in-house... Possibly more so, in fact, because when the info/interaction is via public services such as Google Apps, Skype, etc., TDF and participants are accepting the provider's terms of service, and the onus of responsibility weighs a *little* less on TDF? It's a subject that could become a long and involved discussion... Quite a number of wishes, or? Well, there is a project that I've been watching since some time ... OpenMeetings [1]. Today, I gave the demo a try (again) and everything worked flawlessly - so might this be something that drives collaboration? In my opinion: Yes. It's a terrific-looking tool, and could be a very good solution... subject to addressing the above-mentioned legal/ethical issues. This may improve things for the website team, the marketing team, the design team, ... What do you think? +1... Thanks for the interesting idea/links. :-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Marketing suggestion: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice
Le 2010-11-13 21:17, Alan C. Baird a écrit : Proposal for significantly enlarging LibreOffice's user base with Screenwright(R) 13 November 2010 by Alan C. Baird, prizewinning writer and creator of the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatter [winner of the Sun/OOo CIP award] http://w.9TimeZones.com/avails.htm http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/scr2 http://development.openoffice.org/awardees-2008.html Executive Summary: enable screenplay formatting in LibreOffice to distinguish it from OpenOffice. Pitch: Every aspiring screenwriter has a movie in his/her head that needs to get down on paper. However, some film production companies won't accept a script submission if the formatting is even ONE POSITION off! So ensuring that screenplays are formatted correctly is an obsession of screenwriters everywhere. But formatting a script can be an expensive proposition; 78 commercial formatters are listed at The Writers Store. A screenwriter could easily spend $200 or more on software, just to get a screenplay into acceptable shape. UNLESS s/he uses LibreOffice in conjunction with the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatting template. We all want our scripts to be eligible for the next multimillion-dollar spec auction, so some of us even carry our latest screenplays in our glove compartments, on the off-chance that we might meet someone who can help. In the movie Monster In A Box, Spalding Gray talks about one of his trips to Los Angeles: «I had no idea how difficult it would be to find people not involved in the film industry until I got out there and saw a special on television - in which they were interviewing people in the parking lot of a Shop Rite supermarket. As people came out with their groceries, the interviewer would go up to them and say, Hi there, good morning! Tell us, how's your film script going? And everyone said, What?! How did you know? Right up to the cashier.» If the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatting template can be included as an integral part of the upcoming LibreOffice release, it will send a clear signal--to filmmakers in particular and to the Entertainment sector in general--that LibreOffice is ready to address the industry's unique text-processing and -formatting needs. News travels fast among members of the Entertainment industry, and they tend to be the gatekeepers and style leaders for the culture at large. Historical context: OOo Writer is the first (and for now, the only) full-featured word processor that will easily format a screenplay at no cost whatsoever. But it requires a template download. If LibreOffice wants to capitalize on this unique opportunity, the template could be integrated in the upcoming LibreOffice release. Alan C. Baird Mesa, Arizona USA acba...@yahoo.com Extra: using your iPod to write screenplays. [You can also use your iPhone, thumb/flash drive, mp3 player, or favorite USB storage device.] It's a snap: A) At the bottom of your iPod's Summary tab in iTunes, check the Enable disk use box, and click the Apply button. B) Download and install the latest free OpenOffice.org (LibreOffice?) Portable suite on your iPod. http://portableapps.com/apps/office/openoffice_portable C) Download and install this free scr2.ott template on your iPod. When we stay in Tucson with my wife's friend--who has a Windows computer, but no Internet connection--I keep myself entertained by working on my latest screenplay or just kicking back and listening to some music (perhaps Mark Knopfler's Screenplaying). I can also use the iPod to revise my script on the public computers in: (1) my local library, (2) London's Heathrow airport, (3) Beijing's cyber-cafés, etc. PS: My iPod is one of the smallest models, an old 2GB Nano. I had already loaded nearly 18 hours of music (201 songs) and 33 photos onto it. Now that it contains the OpenOffice.org (LibreOffice?) Portable software and my screenplay, it still shows over 606MB (33%) of free space. Neat! This is a really extraordinary template! Great work Alan! I am very interested in expanding our templates repository and this is exactly the kind of template offering that I was advocating in another one of our threads on creating Template Teams. It has been quite a hot topic and I am quite encouraged by the feedback and suggestions. You may be interested in reading the thread here: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/msg00745.html We should maybe first discuss the merits of having default extensions installed on the LibO distro. We have spoken about LibO bloat on one of our discussions, but it was mostly about extensions. However, we should also include templates into the debate. Of concern is many of our members have dial-up / cellphone connections. All of the added bells and whistles add up to quite a large download. We really do have to keep an eye on this. I, for one, am an advocate of the user should always be in charge of his LibO distro. I think in this
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing suggestion: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice
On Sat Nov 13 2010 18:17:41 GMT-0800 (PST) Alan C. Baird wrote: Proposal for significantly enlarging LibreOffice's user base with Screenwright(R) 13 November 2010 by Alan C. Baird, prizewinning writer and creator of the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatter [winner of the Sun/OOo CIP award] Alan, I want to applaud you for the work spent on ScreenWriter(R) and other templates for OOo and by extension LibreOffice but I personally do not feel that adding another extension to the, already bloated download, is going to help anyone. I feel that those that are already there are hurting LibO. Not everyone has access to high bandwidth internet and we do not want to limit any more that we can help. My 2 cents. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
