Re: MATPP / open office
No need. Open office is a fully open source software. If the name appears in in the dama, it serves as a advertisement for the open office With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422591980 On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 16:47, Evrim Zeybek wrote: > Hello, > > I am Evrim, working for a drama series project called “MATPP”. > > In our first episode we would like to use Open Office Program when a main > character will be writing on her laptop. Since the open office program will > be seen as a footage, I just wanted to ask if we should get a permission > for this usage. Would be great if you could advise us on how to proceed on > this matter. > > We would be happy to give further information upon your return. Since are > time is very limited, swift replies are greatly appreciated. > > All the best, > > Evrim Zeybek > +90 530 929 36 97 > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: Installation
Download from openoffice.org and then install With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422596480 On 11 February 2015 at 18:00, Paul Bentley be...@zol.co.zw wrote: Dear Sir, I have recently purchased a new Lenovo laptop, using Windows 8. I have tried downloading Openoffice from the app store . it shows installing but an hour later nothing has happened ! Please can you assist ? Sincerely, Paul Bentley
Re: Valid site to download?
https://www.*openoffice*.org With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 30 December 2014 at 14:11, david ong dow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Marketing, I'm not sure who to approach... When I do a search for openoffice, the 3rd search result is actually www.openoffice.us.com. Being the 3rd search result means that many people would have downloaded from it. Is this a valid site to download? Or is this a scam to promote a malware-tainted copy of openoffice? Concerned, David Ong
Re: Initial week download numbers?
Oh, I could not count the zero's after 6! With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 2 August 2013 01:20, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: It's been a week since we released AOO 4.0 wonder if we can get some numbers drom our Download stats. I send this out yesterday: http://markmail.org/message/2zavrczec7il6sem -Rob I think Rob had a script that make these analytics. -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Two versions in same machine
Can I install AOO an AOO-TA in a same machine, Windows XP? V.Kadal Amutham
Re: Two versions in same machine
Ok, I will do the same With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 July 2013 09:34, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@apache.org wrote: Can I install AOO an AOO-TA in a same machine, Windows XP? You want English and Tamil version, both? One approach is to install one version normally, and then install the Language Pack for any additional language. You can find the Language Packs here: http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#lp Regards, -Rob V.Kadal Amutham - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Testing AOO - Tamil
I have installed AOO-TA under windows XT platform. Can you give me the link to Bugzilla? I need guidance, how to correct in the pootle. V.Kadal Amutham
Re: Copy of mail sent to LibreOffice
And last but not least, there are huge commercial interests in both project. Don't forget, the program it self is 90 % and more done by paid developers, not by volunteers. This is the case for Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice. We at Apache call all volunteers, but this doesn't mean, that this people are not payed for their work. Same are not, yes, but many are. Things are getting more complicated now. So the effort of volunteers are commercialized. If the above statement is true, then it is better to call volunteers as unpaid laborers. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 27 June 2013 11:38, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Software is about ideas, freedom is about taking those ideas the way you want to. Forking is something that is natural in real life all the time. You take ideas from others, make it your own, and share your version of the idea. The Apache philosophy is a different set of ideas than the GPL one. It would be very insensitive to tell 2 different people to forget their ideas and work together because they are doing the same thing. Also just because you don't agree doesnt mean we will do as you say. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: I am new to this FLOSS world. But it appears to me as follows. We are complicating ourselves and get entangled into the complication. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 27 June 2013 11:02, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: My simple question why this wastage of effort and what purpose it serves? Because we have two different licenses, Apache and GPL. These are incompatible, there really is legal ramifications and benefits to have two different licensed code of the same source. That said, this happens a lot in fLOSS, gnome vs kde, emacs, vs vim, sodipodi vs inkscape. FLOSS is the hability to fork. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 27 June 2013 09:25, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: you can argue the same thing for every different linux distro. Thre are mantainers of the same software packages on two (or actually many) Linux distributions which are different FTP servers all over the internet that end up on the same mirrors. Volunteers do repetitive marketing and localization tasks for each distro. welcome to free software. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@apache.org wrote: Both LibreOffice and OpenOffice are developed by fully / mostly by volunteers. Both serve the same purpose. Two separate teams of volunteers are doing the same work. In both teams, many volunteers are translating same sentences repeatedly. As you are aware volunteers are not paid. So the time and effort of volunteers are very precious and one should be very careful that there is no wastage. In my opinion any wastage of volunteers effort and time is a crime. I am sorry to say that this crime is happening in both LO and AOO V.Kadal Amutham -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org
Re: [UX][DESIGN EXPLORATION] - flat application icons
The Logo for templates can have a T in the icon. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 27 June 2013 12:01, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I've updated my flat application icons design exploration to show the icons adjacent to the new flat logo. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Desktop+Icons Scroll to end of page to see the flat icons. Thoughts? Regards, Kevin
Re: Copy of mail sent to LibreOffice
LO is not using Pootle. At the least, I was given a simple text file to translate. When I went to Pootle site, it is announces that LO is using Pootle but no mention about AOO. As you suggested , glossary will be useful in both cases. But in AOO, many a times one has to translate repeatedly same sentence / phrase. And in Pootle, one can not copy paste the translation, since at any point of not more than 9 sentences are displayed. This issue needs attention With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 27 June 2013 16:40, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Jürgen Schmidt wrote: On 6/27/13 8:42 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: All contributions made to OpenOffice (or to Apache projects in general) can be freely reused (and some are actively being reused) in other projects, due to license compatibility in this direction. Technically, a contribution under the Apache License can be taken and included with no problems in a project under the MPL license. well it was never 100% clarified from my pov or Iam to lazy to understand it. But my understanding is that LO or the major parts of their source code is under ALv2 and they can't withdraw the ALv2 license even if it looks so. This is a technicality. An important one, but still a technicality. What matters here, and what nobody can reasonably challenge, is that contributions (code, translations) made to OpenOffice can be reused and included in other projects, and specifically in LibreOffice. Relicensing is on another level of discussion and it only concerns the project that is reusing the contributions, so it is confusing to mix the two issues. Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscribe@**openoffice.apache.orgmarketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-help@openoffice.**apache.orgmarketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Copy of mail sent to LibreOffice
Both LibreOffice and OpenOffice are developed by fully / mostly by volunteers. Both serve the same purpose. Two separate teams of volunteers are doing the same work. In both teams, many volunteers are translating same sentences repeatedly. As you are aware volunteers are not paid. So the time and effort of volunteers are very precious and one should be very careful that there is no wastage. In my opinion any wastage of volunteers effort and time is a crime. I am sorry to say that this crime is happening in both LO and AOO V.Kadal Amutham
Re: Copy of mail sent to LibreOffice
My simple question why this wastage of effort and what purpose it serves? With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 27 June 2013 09:25, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: you can argue the same thing for every different linux distro. Thre are mantainers of the same software packages on two (or actually many) Linux distributions which are different FTP servers all over the internet that end up on the same mirrors. Volunteers do repetitive marketing and localization tasks for each distro. welcome to free software. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@apache.org wrote: Both LibreOffice and OpenOffice are developed by fully / mostly by volunteers. Both serve the same purpose. Two separate teams of volunteers are doing the same work. In both teams, many volunteers are translating same sentences repeatedly. As you are aware volunteers are not paid. So the time and effort of volunteers are very precious and one should be very careful that there is no wastage. In my opinion any wastage of volunteers effort and time is a crime. I am sorry to say that this crime is happening in both LO and AOO V.Kadal Amutham -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org
New Volunteers for Tamil
Dear Rob, Your suggestions seems to work. Few have started communicating with me already. V.Kadal Amutham
Re: please help me
Even if you work 30 minutes a day, It will be of great help. Kindly consider With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 12 June 2013 14:19, Kaptan Zor kaptan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, it's honour for me but i have no time to get this responsibility. Thank you for offer. I dont need last version in turkish, I only need last turkish version. what is the last turkish version and where can i download this turkish version. there is a turkish version and i downlaoded this version in your website now i can't do it. My best regards 2013/6/12 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org Kaptan Zor wrote: Hello, My Name is Mustafa and i want to download open office itürkish version in to my computer which has mac os x 10.8.4. I could not find any link to download. This is link is not used http://www.openoffice.org/tr/ also http://www.openoffice.org/tr/**indirme-adresleri.html http://www.openoffice.org/tr/indirme-adresleri.htmlis not worked Hi, Turkish translation is not released since it's not 100% complete, but you can help us in getting to 100%. There are 9000 words still to translate in https://translate.apache.org/** tr/aoo40/ https://translate.apache.org/tr/aoo40/ to get the new OpenOffice 4.0 released in Turkish in a few weeks. Would you like to help? Just ask and we will create a Pootle account for you. Make sure you read http://openoffice.apache.org/**translate.html http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html I'm putting the l10n list in copy since other Turkish translators may step in and give guidance to avoid conflicts. Regards, Andrea. -- Saygılarımla Mustafa Talat http://www.kaptanzor.com
Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Thanks Mr. Dave for clarification. Is the policy statement in line with this discussion in the thread? Can you give the link of the policy statement? With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 7 June 2013 18:22, Dave Fisher w...@apache.org wrote: Hi, There is a policy in place for the whole of the Apache Software Foundation and that is the Apache License 2.0. If we want to have a statement then we can clearly state that this allows reuse so long as trademarks, other included licenses and copyrights are respected. This is why we have a NOTICE and LICENSE in all of our releases. When we vote on a release we are saying that this is in order first. That the software works is secondary. Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for all to know. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the movie is Police Story. The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread from a bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, This world is very bad. But we should live in righteous way Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has done tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his efforts. (Just Google jackie chan triads.) It's been a long fight of his. But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made it and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by comparison. (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also name many, many others) would make far more films each year than their Hollywood compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in HK. But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless rusty.) I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, believe that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the spawn of something else. License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest about one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the construction of community. louis With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels about this process? This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and as I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the debt--and then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice. So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute back to the project to which they are indebted. And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors -- Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate. Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned privileges. -Rob And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the tech press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard
Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
I have gone through the licence document. I am having another fundamental question w.r.t LO and AOO. Why both AOO and LO, which are open source, are required in this world? Can just one serve the purpose? Both the group of volunteers are making wheels of same specification. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 7 June 2013 19:47, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Mr. Dave for clarification. Is the policy statement in line with this discussion in the thread? Can you give the link of the policy statement? Apache policy on releases is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html But that policy only concerns what we do at Apache, within Apache projects. The rights and responsibilities of those who use our releases (including the source code in our releases) is set out in the license: http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html But beyond policy and license there are the unwritten rules and expectations of how open source communities behave. These are cultural values, things like the sharing (rather than hoarding), of giving proper recognition/credit for contributions, etc. Regards, -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 7 June 2013 18:22, Dave Fisher w...@apache.org wrote: Hi, There is a policy in place for the whole of the Apache Software Foundation and that is the Apache License 2.0. If we want to have a statement then we can clearly state that this allows reuse so long as trademarks, other included licenses and copyrights are respected. This is why we have a NOTICE and LICENSE in all of our releases. When we vote on a release we are saying that this is in order first. That the software works is secondary. Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for all to know. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the movie is Police Story. The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread from a bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, This world is very bad. But we should live in righteous way Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has done tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his efforts. (Just Google jackie chan triads.) It's been a long fight of his. But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made it and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by comparison. (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also name many, many others) would make far more films each year than their Hollywood compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in HK. But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless rusty.) I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, believe that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the spawn of something else. License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest about one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the construction of community. louis With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels
Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the movie is Police Story. The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread from a bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, This world is very bad. But we should live in righteous way With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels about this process? This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and as I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the debt--and then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice. So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute back to the project to which they are indebted. And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors -- Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate. Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned privileges. -Rob And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the tech press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears. louis With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote: In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code of AOO being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong. This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been reused. Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work. If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO community. We shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can expect in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community. It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very prominently and at times individual contributors are credited instead of the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer). Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscribe@**openoffice.apache.org marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-help@openoffice.** apache.orgmarketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for all to know. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the movie is Police Story. The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread from a bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, This world is very bad. But we should live in righteous way Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has done tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his efforts. (Just Google jackie chan triads.) It's been a long fight of his. But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made it and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by comparison. (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also name many, many others) would make far more films each year than their Hollywood compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in HK. But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless rusty.) I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, believe that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the spawn of something else. License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest about one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the construction of community. louis With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels about this process? This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and as I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the debt--and then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice. So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute back to the project to which they are indebted. And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors -- Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate. Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned privileges. -Rob And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the tech press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears. louis With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote: In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code of AOO being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong. This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been reused. Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work. If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO community. We shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can expect in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community. It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very
Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
I do translation for LO and AOO as well. In LO, there is no mailing list like this. I contact a single person to do my translations. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 7 June 2013 04:03, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think we are looking for public shaming of others. I think we are looking for 1. recognition and 2. mutual benefits, from what is being mentioned previously in this thread. Lets assume conspiracy theory and everyone who isn't us is evil and that they are not contributing bug fixes they find in our code. They would be pulling code bugs from us that they already fixed but manually would have to override every time we make a release with new fixes. That doesn't sound reasonable, neither the first part about conspiracy nor the manual code fixing part. I would ask the dev list and see if anyone from AOO dev has built relationships with LO dev. If so what is the general mood and understanding of the relationship between the organizations? Friendly, untrustworthy, optimists, fake, mutual, one way. Is it that they need our help, or we need theirs? Is it because we can't seem to get over the fact we work for different organizations and we have a different name? Our goals seem generally aligned. I wouldn't assume they are malicious, but again I haven't been around AOO very long and also not involved with LO. I live thinking most people are not malicious and out to get or use me. At the same time I don't do anything I don't want to do, applies to anyone. Samer On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for all to know. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the movie is Police Story. The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread from a bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, This world is very bad. But we should live in righteous way Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has done tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his efforts. (Just Google jackie chan triads.) It's been a long fight of his. But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made it and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by comparison. (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also name many, many others) would make far more films each year than their Hollywood compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in HK. But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless rusty.) I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, believe that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the spawn of something else. License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest about one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the construction of community. louis With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels about this process? This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and as I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the debt--and then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice. So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses
Source Code being used by LibreOffice
In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code of AOO being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong. If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO community. We shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can expect in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community. Copying is one of the best form of complementing. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480
Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels about this process? With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote: In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code of AOO being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong. This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been reused. Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work. If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO community. We shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can expect in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community. It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very prominently and at times individual contributors are credited instead of the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer). Regards, Andrea. --**--**- To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscribe@**openoffice.apache.orgmarketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-help@openoffice.**apache.orgmarketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Next steps for AOO 4.0 Logo Selection
Looks like we are retaining almost the current logo with some small changes With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 28 May 2013 04:51, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On May 27, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: [This was cross-posted, so I'm not clear what list was intended. Makes tracking the discussion difficult.] I'll bite: I prefer Chris's latest. The weight of the lettering is more powerful. I think the Apache should not be so thin. The form used by Samer works better. I also think down-scaling will work better in this case. As far as the orb goes, Chris's could be a tad larger, but not by much. I prefer the orientation of the foreground bird to Kevin's, which has a more threatening feel in my subjective experience. These are good observations. I would like to see it with an ffi ligature. I think we should leave the 4 out. Others have mentioned that 4 is an unlucky number is some cultures. Perhaps we have compromise and have both versioned and un-versioned logo designs. If so then I think a treatment like Version 4.0 in grey and blue might work. Regards, Dave - Dennis PS: Interesting that we've come around to a close variant of the current logo. -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 03:22 PM To: d...@openoffice.apache.org; marketing@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Next steps for AOO 4.0 Logo Selection What we've done so far: 1) Called for logo submissions from the community 2) Many designers responded and we received 40 submissions. There was a lot of cross-fertilization of ideas, as designers saw what others had come up with, what worked, and borrowed ideas. 3) We did a survey of user responses to the 40 logo submissions. Over 5000 users offered their ratings and written comments. 4) Publish report and blog post on the results of the logo survey. 5) Invited the designers of the top-rated logos to read over the survey comments and refine their designs and submit an updated version. That's where we are now. The updated logos (three of them) are on the wiki now: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Stage+2+Logo+Refinement As you can see there is quite a bit of convergence on a design occurring. So what next? I'd like to propose some next steps. A) Let's discuss the three designs on the mailing list for the next week. The discussion might lead to further refinement. B) If at the end of the week there is consensus on a single design we'll go with that one. C) If at the end of the week there is not consensus on a single design, and the discussion is not leading us closer toward consensus, then we'll have a 72-hour vote of PMC members to pick the logo. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Two Insights from the logo survey comments
To make 4 luckier, you can add a decimal like 4.01 With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 11 May 2013 18:11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I've been going through the thousands of comments received in the survey, trying to make sense of them. Here are two things I thought were interesting and worth discussing: 1) The number 4 appears to be unlucky in China, Japan and Korea. Sometimes product their will even skip over version 4 of a product and go directly to 5. (In other cultures 13 is unlucky, and hotels will not have a 13th floor). So the feedback was that we might not want to have a 4 be too prominent or central in the logo. 2) Some users suggested that a prominent TM trademark symbol was seen as conflicting with the openness theme. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Logo next steps
Dear Mr.Rob Weir, I want to view the voting result. Can you send me the link once again? I have deleted by oversight. I want to know on what basis the short listing has been done With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 11 May 2013 01:33, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Some ideas: 1) I'm hoping we start seeing revisions of logos by Monday so we can take it to the next stage. Post them to the wiki. You can add your logo to the wiki here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Stage+2+Logo+Refinement 2) Let's then discuss on the list and see if we can come to a consensus on the single logo to go with. Aim for a decision within a week, if possible. I'd rather avoid another survey. A few ways we could do this. We could discuss and by process of elimination converge on a single logo. Or maybe we ask each designer to vote for one logo, but they can't vote on their own? (Or would that be too dramatic?) Or, as a last resort we could ask the PMC to decide. But it is best if we can reach consensus instead of voting. We all know that we'll have only one logo in the end. 3) When we settle onto a logo, we'll need to get the vector source files uploaded. I can help with that. 4) We'll then need to make a variety of bitmap treatments of the logo. We'll need one for the website. Different ones for avatars for our Twitter, Google+ and Facebook pages. One for the Help/About dialog in the product. Possibly a more elaborate treatment for the splash screen, where we can create a larger image that includes the logo. We'll also want a much simplified and smaller treatment for the favicon. We can share these tasks. We don't need the original designer to do it all, once we have picked the main logo. We can even start now to collect technical requirements of these treatments, such as aspect ratio, 4) There are other elements of the brand refresh that we should look at as well, like updating toolbar icons. The connection to the logo is subtle here. I think it has more to do with the color palette, degree of saturation, lighting effects, etc. I am not a designer, so we really need someone with expertise to step up and make a proposal here on what we should do. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Logo next steps
Last time I viewed rating in the wrong column. The selection of the voters is good. I am ready to offer any help in this regard. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 11 May 2013 04:02, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Also if there is any special font used, to be inserted or have the source files, or at least the path files. On 5/10/13, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: I would like to see the sourc, so users can modify it, preferably on an open source format like XCF or SVG. Yes, +1. We'll also need these to be formally contributed to Apache if the designer has not already signed the iCLA. -Rob On 5/10/13, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mr.Rob Weir, I want to view the voting result. Can you send me the link once again? I have deleted by oversight. I want to know on what basis the short listing has been done With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 11 May 2013 01:33, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Some ideas: 1) I'm hoping we start seeing revisions of logos by Monday so we can take it to the next stage. Post them to the wiki. You can add your logo to the wiki here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Stage+2+Logo+Refinement 2) Let's then discuss on the list and see if we can come to a consensus on the single logo to go with. Aim for a decision within a week, if possible. I'd rather avoid another survey. A few ways we could do this. We could discuss and by process of elimination converge on a single logo. Or maybe we ask each designer to vote for one logo, but they can't vote on their own? (Or would that be too dramatic?) Or, as a last resort we could ask the PMC to decide. But it is best if we can reach consensus instead of voting. We all know that we'll have only one logo in the end. 3) When we settle onto a logo, we'll need to get the vector source files uploaded. I can help with that. 4) We'll then need to make a variety of bitmap treatments of the logo. We'll need one for the website. Different ones for avatars for our Twitter, Google+ and Facebook pages. One for the Help/About dialog in the product. Possibly a more elaborate treatment for the splash screen, where we can create a larger image that includes the logo. We'll also want a much simplified and smaller treatment for the favicon. We can share these tasks. We don't need the original designer to do it all, once we have picked the main logo. We can even start now to collect technical requirements of these treatments, such as aspect ratio, 4) There are other elements of the brand refresh that we should look at as well, like updating toolbar icons. The connection to the logo is subtle here. I think it has more to do with the color palette, degree of saturation, lighting effects, etc. I am not a designer, so we really need someone with expertise to step up and make a proposal here on what we should do. Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Results from AOO 4.0 Logo Poll
The 37th Logo looks great, signaling a shift from traditional blue to red. Red signifies, hot, go ahead. (Our traffic signals have wrong color scheme. Red should be for Go and green should be for cool down and stay) Good effort by our team With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 3 May 2013 15:41, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Amazing! With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 3 May 2013 05:19, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote: 2013/5/2 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org: The survey ran for a week,and received over 5000 responses. I wrote up the results, along with some charts, and put them here: http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/ Good. :-) The Brazil ranked second in country, cool. -- Albino B Neto Debian GNU/Linux | FSFLA | Free Software fsfla.orgtux-es.orgfsf.orggnu.org binoanb [at] gmail [dot] com Chave GPG: 5ED34354 Key fingerprint = 0DFF 4640 44CD 5935 D0F5 E3DF 4E0F A597 5ED3 4354 @binoanb gplus.to/binoanb - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Results from AOO 4.0 Logo Poll
Great. We can have another voting whether to chose form most liked one or dislike one With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 3 May 2013 16:13, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/3/13 12:17 PM, Kadal Amutham wrote: The 37th Logo looks great, signaling a shift from traditional blue to red. Red signifies, hot, go ahead. (Our traffic signals have wrong color scheme. Red should be for Go and green should be for cool down and stay) great joke :-), it would be straight forward to chose the logo with the most strong dislike votes. Juergen Good effort by our team With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 3 May 2013 15:41, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Amazing! With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 3 May 2013 05:19, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote: 2013/5/2 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org: The survey ran for a week,and received over 5000 responses. I wrote up the results, along with some charts, and put them here: http://survey.openoffice.org/reports/aoo40-logo-poll/ Good. :-) The Brazil ranked second in country, cool. -- Albino B Neto Debian GNU/Linux | FSFLA | Free Software fsfla.orgtux-es.orgfsf.orggnu.org binoanb [at] gmail [dot] com Chave GPG: 5ED34354 Key fingerprint = 0DFF 4640 44CD 5935 D0F5 E3DF 4E0F A597 5ED3 4354 @binoanb gplus.to/binoanb - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Logo Proposal
I personally have problems to follow the progress. I noticed new ideas for logos from time to time, sometimes a more complete set of logo + application icons + file type icons, ... But I have no idea which ones are now serious and how we want to move forward to come closer to a decision. In the end we need more than a logo to provide a consistent set of branding elements. At least a logo for different use cases (websites, intro image, about dialog), application icons for start menu on Windows/Linux, app launcher on MacOS, file type icons. Should we move forward to the next step and should preselect some ideas and push forward on this preselection. The time is running. Can you make a list of logos and icons required? It will be easier for the graphic designers to start preperation With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 18 March 2013 15:43, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/17/13 1:43 AM, Kadal Amutham wrote: Dear Lee, So for no comments w.r.t this logo. I think everybody is waiting for the others to comment. Let the others comment. Traditionally I do not like black color. In India it is inauspicious color. Do not change any thing. Let us hopefully wait for the comments if any I personally have problems to follow the progress. I noticed new ideas for logos from time to time, sometimes a more complete set of logo + application icons + file type icons, ... But I have no idea which ones are now serious and how we want to move forward to come closer to a decision. In the end we need more than a logo to provide a consistent set of branding elements. At least a logo for different use cases (websites, intro image, about dialog), application icons for start menu on Windows/Linux, app launcher on MacOS, file type icons. Should we move forward to the next step and should preselect some ideas and push forward on this preselection. The time is running. Juergen With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 16 March 2013 15:26, B.X.LEE ANALOG CREW vaso...@hotmail.com wrote: Hey Kadal. I updated the logo in the link bellow. http://pinterest.com/analogcrew/apache-openoffice-logo/ Thanks Vasilis Xenofontos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Inroduction Logo Design
Send it to me , I will put in somewhere and paste a link here. Send to vka...@gmail.com With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 12 March 2013 16:17, B.X.LEE ANALOG CREW vaso...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks. Do you know the correct email to send a logo according to Apache open office brand refresh project? From: vka...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:34:31 +0530 Subject: Re: Inroduction Logo Design To: marketing@openoffice.apache.org Welcome Vasilis Xenofontos to this forum. I just checked your link. The Logos looks great. I am another volunteer like you. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 11 March 2013 23:22, B.X.LEE ANALOG CREW vaso...@hotmail.com wrote: Good Evening. My name is Vasilis Xenofontos and i am from Cyprus.I am a Graphic Designer and i like your attitude and the idea behind all this free to all organization.I would like to participate in this project in any way.My portfolio can be found at http://thegalapagosproject.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=4Itemid=6 Can you please send me an email so i can send a logo design?. ThanksVasilis Xenofontos
Re: 40 million download mark for Apache OpenOffice 3.4.
Great! With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 4 March 2013 21:56, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Yesterday we reached the 40 million download mark for Apache OpenOffice 3.4. Congratulations to all the volunteers who made this possible! More information can be found in this blog post on this topic: http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_40_million_downloads As always, any help you can provide to share the story to your social networks would be appreciated. Thanks Regards, -Rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Structuring The New Logo Proposal
Regarding restructuring the various pages, kindly let me know how pages need redesign. Among us there is a good graphic designer (I forgot his name. Is it you?) . With his help I can carry on the job with proper monitoring guidance from you and Rob Weir. I can do the layout of the contents, bring the functionality etc. Anybody has good knowledge in Joomla! For the past few weeks I am learning it. But I find lot of limitations in using it. But it may be easier to design attractive sites using Joomla! by importing / buying good templates With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 20 February 2013 16:17, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/13 5:48 PM, Robin Fowler wrote: Ok I've done it this way. If someone would prefer a different structure just let me know, but i think it makes sense. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Complete+Design+Proposals thanks, I think having all proposals in a similar form will help us to make a decision. I believe we need somebody who takes leadership for this branding refresh project and drive it. I proposed a schedule for AOO 4.0 on the dev list and aligned with this we should have a new logo (intro, splash screen, about) and new app and file icons in place until April 4th. Time is going forward and we should push this. It's an important piece for the release. Who is interested to drive this forward and will push the necessary steps? I don't have really the time for it and I believe others can do it better than me. The key point is that somebody drives it and keep it focused to a date and to find a decision. We will have probably several proposal which all have their advantages. People will have different opinions about the different proposals and that is normal. But in the end we need ONE consistent new branding with the design elements - logo, for different use cases (intro screen, start center, about, webpage, wiki, blog, merchandising, ...) - application icons - file icons - ?? Juergen Robin On 12 Feb 2013, at 15:45, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/13 4:35 PM, Robin Fowler wrote: I have made a more complete design proposal with colours, icons, and some basic guidelines (it's all in one file) and have no idea where to post it. I could either put it in one of the existing pages or create a new one for complete design proposals. Any suggestions? I would prefer one sub page for each proposal and an overview of all Juergen Well done on the structuring btw. Robin On 9 Feb 2013, at 12:32, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 08/02/2013 Samer Mansour wrote: Ok I just cranked away at it for a couple hours collecting where AOO branding is applied. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Branding+Planning https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+Refresh+Project Very nice pages (and subpages), thanks for taking the lead here. As for the selection process, I agree with Rob (and those who proposed it earlier) that it's better, also for publicity and for putting low entry barriers, to ask volunteers to provide at least a basic logo as a start, shortlist a few (about 3) proposals and get a more complete branding proposals for those ones, before the final selection is made. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Website Translation Solution Proposal
I have just uploaded a tamil page with google translate service. The page is running at thewink.in/indexTest http://thewink.in/indexTest.html,html with google translate service. Check whether you can read the page in English With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 20 February 2013 19:58, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+google+translate+tamil http://translate.google.com/about/ Yes. On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Is Tamil one among the 60+ languages google supports? I am not sure whether Tamil can be automatically translated With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 20 February 2013 10:37, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: In communicating with Rob Weir earlier today about the google experiment for integration of social media, he mentioned we were maintaining separate pages for other languages. One of the challenges in maintaining separate pages is making sure content such as announcements are translated and communicated to the users in those locales. If missed, a segment of our users could be left out for important information about the AOO project. I'm proposing I find a translation solution with the following scope: - To make our communication and announcements more uniform. eg. Home page and download page. - To make all our oo.org pages available to all users in their local language. eg.http://www.openoffice.org/why/ - Make our lives easier when we roll out a branding refresh / template. Here is a wiki page where I placed two solutions down: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO4+-+Websites+Translation Language specific pages could be replaced with a redirection to the new solution until Google other search engines pick it up. One based on Google Translate, I've seen it on a commercial site and it was really good, only if I remembered what company it was again. The other is based on using our Pootle instance as translation repository. This might require more initial work but could be more customizable and in our control. Samer
Re: Branding Refresh For AOO 4.0 [Closing in 72hrs]
Once the logo and other content are ready I can neatly organize into a page, give all the links etc With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 20 February 2013 21:43, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello AOO Dev and Marketing Community, The main subject of this e-mail is to call for an end date to proposals. In 72hrs (saturday) we will be closing branding proposals. - - - - - I am heading up the branding effort for the AOO 4.0 release and we can unanimously agree the 4.0 release will be a milestone for our community and users. For this special release the marketing team is taking on the effort to giving us a fresh look. The marketing team is starting to plot deadlines at the same time as the dev team, the marketing team can't keep proposing ideas forever, we actually need to do the work to get us there. Specially because some dev efforts require assets from our designers. What does that mean? - We're picking and choosing. Late submissions might not be considered (just the nature of just do it sorry). - Eliminating designs we don't like and smoothing and integrating ones we do like. - In a week from Saturday we will have a master proposal to present for lazy consensus. (at least that's the plan) How can you help? - - - - - - I have design skills! (or I think!) - Check out some guidelines and placements of the branding, see children of this cwiki page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+Refresh+Project - Go to our wiki and sketch out some ideas here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations - They don't have to be complete or polished ideas, ie. you only have ideas for icons and only have 2 hours to create the proposal, capture the main idea but don't worry about detail. - Join the marketing mailing list to help us with implementing the final design: https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/call_for_marketing_volunteers - I don't have design skills?! - Go to our wiki and help us by commenting on designs, DO NOT reply with comments about design in these mailing lists. - There is about 10 pages and they all could use some feedback in the comments: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Apache+OpenOffice+4.0+Brand+Refresh+Project - I will call for any final discussion on Saturday once the deadline has passed. If you have any concerns about this process reply here. Do not reply to this e-mail to talk about designs! Go to the wiki and add design comments there!
Re: Quick and Easy Marketing Activities
The twitter page is not appeariing If you have 5 minutes With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 13 February 2013 13:26, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/13 9:49 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to refresh/rejuvenate this ancient wiki page: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Quick_and_Easy_Activities I already made some updates to add additional social networking related activities. The nice thing about these is that they can be repeated, Unlike other tasks these are never done. I can do, you can do it, and I can do it again next week and it is still good. I have never recognized this page before, interesting and a good idea to update and extend the content. Any suggestions for other tasks we could add? not directly, let me think about it... Juergen
Re: Quick and Easy Marketing Activities
I am trying to send http://www.openoffice.org/why/ to all my contacts in gmail. Is there any easy way of copying all the email ID from my address book? With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 13 February 2013 19:05, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: The twitter page is not appeariing If you have 5 minutes With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 13 February 2013 13:26, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/13 9:49 PM, Rob Weir wrote: I'd like to refresh/rejuvenate this ancient wiki page: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Quick_and_Easy_Activities I already made some updates to add additional social networking related activities. The nice thing about these is that they can be repeated, Unlike other tasks these are never done. I can do, you can do it, and I can do it again next week and it is still good. I have never recognized this page before, interesting and a good idea to update and extend the content. Any suggestions for other tasks we could add? not directly, let me think about it... Juergen
Re: [Iteration 3] AOO Video - Social Media Integration on OO.org Site
Micro site is a good idea to pursue and I am ready to offer help in this area With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 3 February 2013 21:58, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, In anticipation of AOO4, I want to start a discussion on the video and maybe a microsite to drive this video's overall presentation. -- Micro-Site Idea Micro-site for new users, references from external websites, our About for end users, mostly new users. URL would be easy like welcome.openoffice.org/ or openoffice.org/welcome or openoffice.org/guttentag for german etc. Have to confirm with infra peers on possibilities / restrictions. A micro-site to join the office revolution. This micro-site should be a red carpet entrance for new users, welcome, we're expecting you [clueless new users, yes you who stumbled here because a friend posted this], everything is here waiting to help you. How would we direct users to the new microsite? From an SEO perspective, we have so many links to the home page that queries related to OpenOffice almost all lead the user to the home page. I don't think it would be possible to influence the search traffic to go to a new welcome page, especially with the weight of a decade's worth of links pointing to www.openoffice.org. But three exceptions/possibilities: 1) If we have a new landing page that is more relevant to a user search query than the home page is, then it could get good placement. For example, queries for OpenOffice for Mac do not go to the homepage, but to a Mac specific page. But I don't think new users query for openoffice new users. Their queries are probably similar to any other query. But we can investigate that. 2) Not all traffic is from search. We could have, for example, a landing page that we code into the social sharing links. That will draw in traffic. 3) We can redirect traffic that is referred to by specific websites. This could be done at the Apache httpd level, or with Javascript (less reliable). Scope: A Video (I need help forming this idea and producing something) HTML Page (I can contribute to completing this) Audience: Social Media Followers and their friends/connections New Users Returning Users for AOO4 We do have the ability to direct the URL for upgrading users. Currently we send them to the download page or to a native language page. We even have the ability to send 3.3.0 upgrades to one page and 3.4.1 upgrades to another. Deadline: to have this before launch of AOO4. My Initial Idea: The HTML [HTML5 maybe] page could be a picture of a computer monitor centered in an environment, the background environment emphasizes the market we are appealing to. The screen on the monitor is our nice video (embedded youtube video in the page). Examples: Corporate: bland, grey cubical desktop and maybe some office supplies and whiteboard. School: school desk, crayons, notebooks, microscope, chalkboard behind. Doctor's office, stethoscope and clipboard on a medical stretcher / bed. Campus: Laptop on campus/park bench. On refresh or on click we change the background to others. And have customer quotes, from real doctors, teachers, students, professionals. Maybe real customer company or small business can issue a public statement. A company would love exposure to our 100k+ visitors a day. Samer
Re: [Proposal] AOO 4 Logo - Samer Mansour
Two birds with one feather looks good With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 2 February 2013 14:09, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, For weeks I looked at the logos and thought it would be great if they did this, or that, or wahn wahn I want it my way. So rather than thinking it my head, I put it down. I really liked Michael Acevedo's design and I expanded on it. I'm taking a silhouette approach for easy brand recognition. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations#AOO4.x-LogoExplorations-sm I also liked Robin's feather, I had a pet bird when I was a kid, the fluffy feather looked like when it comes from baby birds. So I made it a less of a young bird's feather and more to a full grown gull's feather (3.4.1 is a baby, 4.0 will be mature). Resembles Apache feather as well (OOo integration into Apache Community). Samer Mansour
Re: [Iteration 2] Social Media Integration on OO.org Site
Look simple and neat. I think we can make the site based on Jooma! and improve the appearance With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 2 February 2013 11:48, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Attachments are probably being stripped from the mailing-list. http://s3.postimage.org/v39x8vtpv/sample.png On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry Samer Mansour, I could not find an attachment. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 2 February 2013 10:14, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Trying again as attachment. On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: My mail client gmail is not displaying the image With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 2 February 2013 10:07, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Update, I've sent Rob Weir a zip with the experiment pages. I'll need to touch base with Rob in a few business days. When its set up we can place friendly bets on what we think will win. There are 4 experiments, here they are merged together in a single screen capture: * Note this is screen cap from a working copy on my desktop, icons/background images are not displayed. Hosted copies might look a little different. [image: Inline image 1] I think #1 will win. Which ever one between 2 3 gets more, we might integrate into the site's template for the rest of the website. Samer Mansour On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everyone, Starting a separate thread for integrating a 'Like Us' area into our website templates. The Experiment scope would be the home page, to provide users the ability to: - Follow Us on Twitter - Like Us on Facebook - Follow Us on Google+ This will improve the number of people reached when we communicate through these relatively new streams of communication we have set up. I will draw up some placements of the 'Like Us' (html files) for the home page for another google experiment. I can have this done within a week. Great. A few things I learned from the last experiment: 1) It is OK to track the events with the social network as the label, e..g, _gaq.push(['_trackEvent','social', 'shareDownload', 'facebook']);When we set up the experiment we can tell it count all shareDownload actions the same. This also gives us a little more information. 2) I heard from some users who were confused by the weird URLs they were directed to. So we might keep it more generic, like index1-passthru.html, index2-passthru.html, etc. 3) Google runs the experiment to see which variation is better than the control. But the control is the current page as it is today. With the last experiment the default page had no social sharing on it. So tracking progress was a little bit weird. I'm not sure what we can do about that, except be aware of it. What we learn from this google experiment we would integrate into the templates elsewhere on the site(s). Yes. I'm looking forward to this. -Rob Samer Mansour
Re: Logo Design (v4)
Just have a look ath the following linik http://www.openshotvideo.com/ for an idea of the logo With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 31 January 2013 14:48, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/1/31 Robin Fowler robin.fow...@outlook.com Thanks for all the feedback. I'll incorporate the requests soon. Should I send the result in a mail or just upload it to the wiki? (or both? still a bit confused here) Robin, Thanks so much for your working on it! I personally prefer your uploading the design on wiki, and send mail here with the wiki link to catch people's attention. - Shenfeng (Simon) Robin On 31 Jan 2013, at 08:36, Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com wrote: One more thinking: will it be better if we make the sea gull below a little bigger than the sea gull above, so that the book is trapezoid in shape**? - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/1/31 Shenfeng Liu liush...@gmail.com Robin, Here is the 4.x logo explorations wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations BTW I like the font size in the right one. - Shenfeng (Simon) 2013/1/31 Robin Fowler robin.fow...@outlook.com Sorry if I got this wrong. Could someone point out where i'd upload them on the wiki? Robin On 30 Jan 2013, at 22:12, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: These are quite nice, but can we have the samples displayed on the wiki? Thanks louis
Re: Introduction
Dear Rob, It is a good link. Let me quote from the page the amount of noise generated by a change is inversely proportional to the complexity of the change. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 31 January 2013 20:12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Robin Fowler robin.fow...@outlook.com wrote: Ok thanks for the clarification. My first question: I had a look around for something I'd like to do and came across the logo design concepts for version 4. I've made a design and was wondering if I just go ahead and edit the page (on CWiki), adding my design or do i send the design to someone who is responsible for editing the page? I guess I'm looking for some kind of general guidelines for the CWiki.. Hi Robin, I see your logo designs and I am very impressed. This is some fine work. The wiki is open for anyone to edit, once you create an account. As you see now there is a page where we have been collecting AOO 4.0 logo proposals. That is a good place to add yours. One of the perils of graphical design work in a community-based project like this is the tendency for what we call bikeshedding. I'd recommend you, and everyone else, read this page: http://bikeshed.com/ It is something to be aware of. We cannot really prevent it, but with awareness we can temper it somewhat. But it is important that you, as a designer, realize the tendency toward this, in projects like this. Otherwise it is easy to feel frustrated at prolonged discussions, contradictory feedback and lack of resolution. We don't want that to happen. I'm not saying this is occurring now, but it is natural that if you ask 10 people for their opinions on a logo, you will get 10 different views. Keep up the good work, and be prepared for a lot of feedback! -Rob The other question is regarding the website, what is the approach to working on this, is it preferable to do minor improvements or could i go ahead and make an entire overhaul? Are there some guidelines for this or is it completely up to the individual? Thanks for your help! Robin On 29 Jan 2013, at 22:04, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Robin Fowler robin.fow...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, my name's Robin Fowler and I'm currently based in the UK. I love doing graphic design and thought this would be a good opportunity to contribute. I'm mainly interested in marketing and UI design. Hi Robin, Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project! I have read through the introduction modules and have signed up on the CWiki, and I have some questions but will hold back with them in case I'm asking at the wrong place (perhaps someone can give me a hint). This is the marketing mailing list. So it is a great place to ask questions. We don't currently have a separate list for graphics or UI. If it is related to marketing, branding, logos, promotional artwork, etc., then we discuss it on this list. If we're talking about the graphical elements of the core OpenOffice project then we discuss it on the dev mailing lis (d...@openoffice.apache.org). Regards, -Rob Regards, Robin
Re: Introduction
Mr. Robin, The openoffice.org needs a complete overhaul, right from the logo. The site needs to be attractive since we have no other inducement to keep the visitors to stay on the website like free offers, gifts etc. If you have any design, post it here so that eveybody can see. (If the attachment is large, the server may reject the mail. Then you can post it at some site and send the link. Or send the details to me and I will upload the file and place the link here. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 30 January 2013 19:22, Robin Fowler robin.fow...@outlook.com wrote: Ok thanks for the clarification. My first question: I had a look around for something I'd like to do and came across the logo design concepts for version 4. I've made a design and was wondering if I just go ahead and edit the page (on CWiki), adding my design or do i send the design to someone who is responsible for editing the page? I guess I'm looking for some kind of general guidelines for the CWiki.. The other question is regarding the website, what is the approach to working on this, is it preferable to do minor improvements or could i go ahead and make an entire overhaul? Are there some guidelines for this or is it completely up to the individual? Thanks for your help! Robin On 29 Jan 2013, at 22:04, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Robin Fowler robin.fow...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, my name's Robin Fowler and I'm currently based in the UK. I love doing graphic design and thought this would be a good opportunity to contribute. I'm mainly interested in marketing and UI design. Hi Robin, Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project! I have read through the introduction modules and have signed up on the CWiki, and I have some questions but will hold back with them in case I'm asking at the wrong place (perhaps someone can give me a hint). This is the marketing mailing list. So it is a great place to ask questions. We don't currently have a separate list for graphics or UI. If it is related to marketing, branding, logos, promotional artwork, etc., then we discuss it on this list. If we're talking about the graphical elements of the core OpenOffice project then we discuss it on the dev mailing lis (d...@openoffice.apache.org). Regards, -Rob Regards, Robin
Re: Logo Design (v4)
Robin: As you have mentioned the middle one is the best. Just have a look at the existing logo. It has a shine. Try to introduce the same in this one also. You have added a book to denote writer. Can you change the second page as a table to denote calc? And rotate the image, reduce the size of the top bird, so that it will give a perspective feel. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 31 January 2013 04:17, Stephen Williamson storiesbyst...@gmail.comwrote: I like this flying image and that it has more than one wings - motion. I have zero to do with deciding the logo, but if I did this one would covey what I fee; about Open Office - you can fly with it. Microsoft Office is bogging workers down. Open Office lets you FLY. I was a long time user of Office and Word Perfect Office. Open Office is better than both of them for 99% of all computer users. This logo conveys what I want to see about Open Office - that you can fly. You are not held down by bloated, expensive software. Now, if you guys would just make a mobile version Steve On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Robin Fowler robin.fow...@outlook.comwrote: Ok so this what i've made, I'm sending two different versions, one with the feather and one without. The gulls are aligned to form the shape of a book (hence the text). The Font is the Bitstream Vera font. I didn't spend much time on the feather, it's one of the things i will work on some more. The reason i didn't use the apache brand feather is simply that it doesn't really fit the design. I'm happy to make some changes if there's any requests. Regards, Robin On 30 Jan 2013, at 14:03, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Robin, The openoffice.org needs a complete overhaul, right from the logo. The site needs to be attractive since we have no other inducement to keep the visitors to stay on the website like free offers, gifts etc. If you have any design, post it here so that eveybody can see. (If the attachment is large, the server may reject the mail. Then you can post it at some site and send the link. Or send the details to me and I will upload the file and place the link here. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 30 January 2013 19:22, Robin Fowler robin.fow...@outlook.com wrote: Ok thanks for the clarification. My first question: I had a look around for something I'd like to do and came across the logo design concepts for version 4. I've made a design and was wondering if I just go ahead and edit the page (on CWiki), adding my design or do i send the design to someone who is responsible for editing the page? I guess I'm looking for some kind of general guidelines for the CWiki.. The other question is regarding the website, what is the approach to working on this, is it preferable to do minor improvements or could i go ahead and make an entire overhaul? Are there some guidelines for this or is it completely up to the individual? Thanks for your help! Robin On 29 Jan 2013, at 22:04, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Robin Fowler robin.fow...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, my name's Robin Fowler and I'm currently based in the UK. I love doing graphic design and thought this would be a good opportunity to contribute. I'm mainly interested in marketing and UI design. Hi Robin, Welcome to the Apache OpenOffice project! I have read through the introduction modules and have signed up on the CWiki, and I have some questions but will hold back with them in case I'm asking at the wrong place (perhaps someone can give me a hint). This is the marketing mailing list. So it is a great place to ask questions. We don't currently have a separate list for graphics or UI. If it is related to marketing, branding, logos, promotional artwork, etc., then we discuss it on this list. If we're talking about the graphical elements of the core OpenOffice project then we discuss it on the dev mailing lis (d...@openoffice.apache.org). Regards, -Rob Regards, Robin
Re: A map of OpenOffice use?
Any reason why France tops the table? With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 25 January 2013 19:48, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little stumped how to visualize this in a meaningful way. Here it is again with the latest data. This is the best visual I think out of the few I tried: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/aoo-downloads-download-density This is nice, thanks. The bubbles are easier to understand than color shading, I think. Since we recently had all the security stories about Java in the browser, I think for the blog post on this I'll use some static screen shots, a global one as well as close us for some of the denser areas, like Central America and Europe. Then we can link to Manyeyes for anyone who wants to use this interactively. Is the data series published publicly as well, on ManyEyes, so others can make their own visualizations? -Rob On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Rob, For the internet population I used the data from the wiki since the link was already in the google spreadsheet. For the population details, I typed population followed by the country name in the address bar of google and in most of the searches the result was from www.google.co.in/publicdata. I do not expect much difference between google data and wiki. You can verify few data and the difference may be in the last 3 digits. I reviewed the data. Most of it looked fine. As you say, maybe in the last few digits. I only found a few things to fix. For example (and I didn't know this before) there are two Congo's now: Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Republic of the Congo. It looks like the data there was reversed. Little things like that. The top 30 countries, for downloading AOO, normalized by number of internet users in the country, are: 1. Monaco 2. Italy 3. France 4. San Marino 5. Luxembourg 6. Belgium 7. Estonia 8. Germany 9. Switzerland 10. Finland 11. Spain 12. Hong Kong 13. Austria 14. Netherlands 15. Canada 16. Belize 17. Czech Republic 18. Falkland Islands (Malvinas) 19. Faroe Islands 20. Malta 21. Singapore 22. Iceland 23. Taiwan 24. United Kingdom 25. United States 26. Uruguay 27. Hungary 28. New Zealand 29. Ireland 30. Liechtenstein I'm attaching the full spreadsheet. Hopefully Samer can put the updated figures on the ManEyes website. The countries at the bottom of the list, are some where we have opportunities for growth. For example, South Korea should improve once the Korean translation is released next week. -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 23:58, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Some countries didn't get counted (not matched in the tool/didn't exist). Some cities got their own row, but the Map doesn't have a spot for them. ie Hong Kong and Singapore: Also I think some rows are gone, like Europe (not specified), it was there yesterday. Here are two more visualizations: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-vs-pop http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-vs-pop-2 And the original: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-by-pop I didn't have a design in mind in how we want to show this so I just plotted and mashed around with it like playdough. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Opps here it is: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-by-pop This is very nice. We might want to take out the population and internet users and the two rank columns and just use the downloads per 1k population and downloads per 1k internet users columns. I found a few cut paste errors in the spreadsheet, so it would be good if we could have some reviewers double check the numbers. Compare columns C and E of this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4Lhq3W5zKodGZtNU1oRGFjWi1kYXkzVEtjOWY1ZlE#gid=0 With the data in these two Wikipedia articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population Once reviewed, and we have the updated maps, then I have
Re: A map of OpenOffice use?
The map gives a good idea of down loads. Why Canada has more downloads than US? Why China is less than India? Software piracy may be more in China compared to India. Pirated software is also free like OpenOffice. Even hacking is sponsored by Chinese Government. They are called ethical hacking or patriotic hacking. Hacking of Indian sites by Chinese hackers will be considered as patriotic. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 25 January 2013 08:35, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little stumped how to visualize this in a meaningful way. Here it is again with the latest data. This is the best visual I think out of the few I tried: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/aoo-downloads-download-density On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Rob, For the internet population I used the data from the wiki since the link was already in the google spreadsheet. For the population details, I typed population followed by the country name in the address bar of google and in most of the searches the result was from www.google.co.in/publicdata. I do not expect much difference between google data and wiki. You can verify few data and the difference may be in the last 3 digits. I reviewed the data. Most of it looked fine. As you say, maybe in the last few digits. I only found a few things to fix. For example (and I didn't know this before) there are two Congo's now: Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Republic of the Congo. It looks like the data there was reversed. Little things like that. The top 30 countries, for downloading AOO, normalized by number of internet users in the country, are: 1. Monaco 2. Italy 3. France 4. San Marino 5. Luxembourg 6. Belgium 7. Estonia 8. Germany 9. Switzerland 10. Finland 11. Spain 12. Hong Kong 13. Austria 14. Netherlands 15. Canada 16. Belize 17. Czech Republic 18. Falkland Islands (Malvinas) 19. Faroe Islands 20. Malta 21. Singapore 22. Iceland 23. Taiwan 24. United Kingdom 25. United States 26. Uruguay 27. Hungary 28. New Zealand 29. Ireland 30. Liechtenstein I'm attaching the full spreadsheet. Hopefully Samer can put the updated figures on the ManEyes website. The countries at the bottom of the list, are some where we have opportunities for growth. For example, South Korea should improve once the Korean translation is released next week. -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 23:58, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Some countries didn't get counted (not matched in the tool/didn't exist). Some cities got their own row, but the Map doesn't have a spot for them. ie Hong Kong and Singapore: Also I think some rows are gone, like Europe (not specified), it was there yesterday. Here are two more visualizations: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-vs-pop http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-vs-pop-2 And the original: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-by-pop I didn't have a design in mind in how we want to show this so I just plotted and mashed around with it like playdough. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Opps here it is: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-by-pop This is very nice. We might want to take out the population and internet users and the two rank columns and just use the downloads per 1k population and downloads per 1k internet users columns. I found a few cut paste errors in the spreadsheet, so it would be good if we could have some reviewers double check the numbers. Compare columns C and E of this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4Lhq3W5zKodGZtNU1oRGFjWi1kYXkzVEtjOWY1ZlE#gid=0 With the data in these two Wikipedia articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population Once reviewed, and we have the updated maps, then I have an idea. We could do a blog post on these numbers, but frame it as a general story about end-user use of desktop open source software, etc. If we make the story more general interest we'll get broader circulation and uptake in the press. Of course, it supports
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If possible my post may please be removed. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 25 January 2013 12:20, Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: May I kindly ask to respect our large Chinese community?! Such political suspicions are off topic here. All governments are hacking. The game is called 'Spy vs. Spy.' Best regards, Peter On 1/25/2013 6:57 AM, Kadal Amutham wrote: The map gives a good idea of down loads. Why Canada has more downloads than US? Why China is less than India? Software piracy may be more in China compared to India. Pirated software is also free like OpenOffice. Even hacking is sponsored by Chinese Government. They are called ethical hacking or patriotic hacking. Hacking of Indian sites by Chinese hackers will be considered as patriotic. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 25 January 2013 08:35, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little stumped how to visualize this in a meaningful way. Here it is again with the latest data. This is the best visual I think out of the few I tried: http://www-958.ibm.com/**software/analytics/manyeyes/** visualizations/aoo-downloads-**download-densityhttp://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/aoo-downloads-download-density On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Rob, For the internet population I used the data from the wiki since the link was already in the google spreadsheet. For the population details, I typed population followed by the country name in the address bar of google and in most of the searches the result was from www.google.co.in/publicdata. I do not expect much difference between google data and wiki. You can verify few data and the difference may be in the last 3 digits. I reviewed the data. Most of it looked fine. As you say, maybe in the last few digits. I only found a few things to fix. For example (and I didn't know this before) there are two Congo's now: Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Republic of the Congo. It looks like the data there was reversed. Little things like that. The top 30 countries, for downloading AOO, normalized by number of internet users in the country, are: 1. Monaco 2. Italy 3. France 4. San Marino 5. Luxembourg 6. Belgium 7. Estonia 8. Germany 9. Switzerland 10. Finland 11. Spain 12. Hong Kong 13. Austria 14. Netherlands 15. Canada 16. Belize 17. Czech Republic 18. Falkland Islands (Malvinas) 19. Faroe Islands 20. Malta 21. Singapore 22. Iceland 23. Taiwan 24. United Kingdom 25. United States 26. Uruguay 27. Hungary 28. New Zealand 29. Ireland 30. Liechtenstein I'm attaching the full spreadsheet. Hopefully Samer can put the updated figures on the ManEyes website. The countries at the bottom of the list, are some where we have opportunities for growth. For example, South Korea should improve once the Korean translation is released next week. -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 23:58, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Some countries didn't get counted (not matched in the tool/didn't exist). Some cities got their own row, but the Map doesn't have a spot for them. ie Hong Kong and Singapore: Also I think some rows are gone, like Europe (not specified), it was there yesterday. Here are two more visualizations: http://www-958.ibm.com/**software/analytics/manyeyes/** visualizations/apache-**openoffice-downloads-vs-pophttp://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-vs-pop http://www-958.ibm.com/**software/analytics/manyeyes/** visualizations/apache-**openoffice-downloads-vs-pop-2http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-vs-pop-2 And the original: http://www-958.ibm.com/**software/analytics/manyeyes/** visualizations/apache-**openoffice-downloads-by-pophttp://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-by-pop I didn't have a design in mind in how we want to show this so I just plotted and mashed around with it like playdough. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Opps here it is: http://www-958.ibm.com/**software/analytics/manyeyes/** visualizations/apache-**openoffice-downloads-by-pophttp://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-by-pop This is very nice. We might want to take out the population and internet users and the two rank columns and just use the downloads per 1k population and downloads per 1k internet users columns. I found a few cut paste errors
Re: A map of OpenOffice use?
Dear Rob Weir, The internet user data has been filled With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 07:23, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: I will start filling the internet user data With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 01:38, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Check the google document at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4Lhq3W5zKodGZtNU1oRGFjWi1kYXkzVEtjOWY1ZlE#gid=0 I have entered the population data alone Very good. I made some edits and also received a spreadsheet with some more data from Gianvittorio. The results are interesting. For example, what countries have the highest percentage of downloads by population? The top 5 are: 1) Gambia 2) Trinidad and Tobago 3) Zimbabwe 4) Vatican City 5) Saint Pierre and Miquelon It will be interesting to see how the data is when we look at usage per internet users in a country. But however we slice the data we'll have this problem: For very small countries, just a few downloads can shift the ratio by a large amount. For example, the Vatican City had around 100 downloads. So a difference of 10 downloads is 10%. France had 4.5 million downloads. A difference of 10 downloads is nothing. I've seen this handled in other contexts by applying statistical techniques to estimate error bounds on the ratio, and then rank by the lower confidence limit. You can see the technique described (and formulas given) here: http://evanmiller.org/how-not-to-sort-by-average-rating.html -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 22 January 2013 22:26, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Good show. I have almost entered the population data into the spread sheet. Then I have to populate the internet user data. Once it is over, I will let you know. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 22 January 2013 21:37, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: We don't have internet users completely populated so from the data we currently have I whipped something up in 5 mins at work. This is just the top 40 Countries. Its manual data entry, once we have internet users populated and I will resolve things like Hong Kong - China and Singapore - South Korea. I can maybe finish some data entry tonight. http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/aoo-test-visualization This is a PNG output: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/vis/FullScreen/fullscreenvisualization.html?id=files%2Fthumbnails%2Ffed90050-64ac-11e2-926b-000255111976.wm.pngvisId=ff062cd864ac11e2926b000255111976 On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mr. Rob, I tried to edit the document, but it is read only. Can you make it readable so that everybody can fill the data? OK. I gave you and Samer write permissions. -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 21 January 2013 09:01, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Who ever finds time, can fill the remaining Data, so that the document become complete With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 21 January 2013 07:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I was thinking of putting together a world map showing the use of OpenOffice, the kind with each country shaded or color coded to show the density of use. I can easily get a data set showing the total number of downloads of OpenOffice per country. But the raw numbers don't really tell the story. It would show, probably, that the USA has the most downloads. But that is probably also because of its large population. So maybe we then show downloads per capita, or downloads per 100,000 population. But that then becomes a proxy for economic development, since there are highly populated countries with fewer computers per capital, and low population countries with more computers, etc. I don't think that is what we want to show. So, I'm wondering, has anyone seen data for something like PCs per capita, or home computers, or internet users, or some other proxy for what our potential usership would be per country? Maybe we can use internet users stats by country, something like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_usersto normalize
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Looks great! With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 21:29, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Opps here it is: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-by-pop On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Here is an updated map. I moved to bubble chart because coloring the country made places like Russia and Canada look odd. I will see if I can make other visualizations as well, maybe Map is not the best visualization. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Rob Weir, The internet user data has been filled With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 07:23, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: I will start filling the internet user data With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 01:38, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Check the google document at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4Lhq3W5zKodGZtNU1oRGFjWi1kYXkzVEtjOWY1ZlE#gid=0 I have entered the population data alone Very good. I made some edits and also received a spreadsheet with some more data from Gianvittorio. The results are interesting. For example, what countries have the highest percentage of downloads by population? The top 5 are: 1) Gambia 2) Trinidad and Tobago 3) Zimbabwe 4) Vatican City 5) Saint Pierre and Miquelon It will be interesting to see how the data is when we look at usage per internet users in a country. But however we slice the data we'll have this problem: For very small countries, just a few downloads can shift the ratio by a large amount. For example, the Vatican City had around 100 downloads. So a difference of 10 downloads is 10%. France had 4.5 million downloads. A difference of 10 downloads is nothing. I've seen this handled in other contexts by applying statistical techniques to estimate error bounds on the ratio, and then rank by the lower confidence limit. You can see the technique described (and formulas given) here: http://evanmiller.org/how-not-to-sort-by-average-rating.html -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 22 January 2013 22:26, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Good show. I have almost entered the population data into the spread sheet. Then I have to populate the internet user data. Once it is over, I will let you know. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 22 January 2013 21:37, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: We don't have internet users completely populated so from the data we currently have I whipped something up in 5 mins at work. This is just the top 40 Countries. Its manual data entry, once we have internet users populated and I will resolve things like Hong Kong - China and Singapore - South Korea. I can maybe finish some data entry tonight. http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/aoo-test-visualization This is a PNG output: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/vis/FullScreen/fullscreenvisualization.html?id=files%2Fthumbnails%2Ffed90050-64ac-11e2-926b-000255111976.wm.pngvisId=ff062cd864ac11e2926b000255111976 On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mr. Rob, I tried to edit the document, but it is read only. Can you make it readable so that everybody can fill the data? OK. I gave you and Samer write permissions. -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 21 January 2013 09:01, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Who ever finds time, can fill the remaining Data, so that the document become complete With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 21 January 2013 07:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I was thinking of putting together a world map showing the use of OpenOffice, the kind with each country shaded or color coded to show the density of use. I can easily get a data set showing the total number
Re: A map of OpenOffice use?
Dear Rob, For the internet population I used the data from the wiki since the link was already in the google spreadsheet. For the population details, I typed population followed by the country name in the address bar of google and in most of the searches the result was from www.google.co.in/publicdata. I do not expect much difference between google data and wiki. You can verify few data and the difference may be in the last 3 digits. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 23:58, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Some countries didn't get counted (not matched in the tool/didn't exist). Some cities got their own row, but the Map doesn't have a spot for them. ie Hong Kong and Singapore: Also I think some rows are gone, like Europe (not specified), it was there yesterday. Here are two more visualizations: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-vs-pop http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-vs-pop-2 And the original: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-by-pop I didn't have a design in mind in how we want to show this so I just plotted and mashed around with it like playdough. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Opps here it is: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/apache-openoffice-downloads-by-pop This is very nice. We might want to take out the population and internet users and the two rank columns and just use the downloads per 1k population and downloads per 1k internet users columns. I found a few cut paste errors in the spreadsheet, so it would be good if we could have some reviewers double check the numbers. Compare columns C and E of this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4Lhq3W5zKodGZtNU1oRGFjWi1kYXkzVEtjOWY1ZlE#gid=0 With the data in these two Wikipedia articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population Once reviewed, and we have the updated maps, then I have an idea. We could do a blog post on these numbers, but frame it as a general story about end-user use of desktop open source software, etc. If we make the story more general interest we'll get broader circulation and uptake in the press. Of course, it supports a positive story of our project as well. But by telling the broader story, and using OpenOffice as an example, we'll go further. Does this make sense? -Rob On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: Here is an updated map. I moved to bubble chart because coloring the country made places like Russia and Canada look odd. I will see if I can make other visualizations as well, maybe Map is not the best visualization. On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Rob Weir, The internet user data has been filled With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 07:23, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: I will start filling the internet user data With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 01:38, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Check the google document at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4Lhq3W5zKodGZtNU1oRGFjWi1kYXkzVEtjOWY1ZlE#gid=0 I have entered the population data alone Very good. I made some edits and also received a spreadsheet with some more data from Gianvittorio. The results are interesting. For example, what countries have the highest percentage of downloads by population? The top 5 are: 1) Gambia 2) Trinidad and Tobago 3) Zimbabwe 4) Vatican City 5) Saint Pierre and Miquelon It will be interesting to see how the data is when we look at usage per internet users in a country. But however we slice the data we'll have this problem: For very small countries, just a few downloads can shift the ratio by a large amount. For example, the Vatican City had around 100 downloads. So a difference of 10 downloads is 10%. France had 4.5 million downloads. A difference of 10 downloads is nothing. I've seen this handled in other contexts by applying statistical techniques to estimate error bounds on the ratio, and then rank by the lower confidence limit. You can see the technique described (and formulas given) here: http
Re: A map of OpenOffice use?
Good show. I have almost entered the population data into the spread sheet. Then I have to populate the internet user data. Once it is over, I will let you know. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 22 January 2013 21:37, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: We don't have internet users completely populated so from the data we currently have I whipped something up in 5 mins at work. This is just the top 40 Countries. Its manual data entry, once we have internet users populated and I will resolve things like Hong Kong - China and Singapore - South Korea. I can maybe finish some data entry tonight. http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/aoo-test-visualization This is a PNG output: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/vis/FullScreen/fullscreenvisualization.html?id=files%2Fthumbnails%2Ffed90050-64ac-11e2-926b-000255111976.wm.pngvisId=ff062cd864ac11e2926b000255111976 On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mr. Rob, I tried to edit the document, but it is read only. Can you make it readable so that everybody can fill the data? OK. I gave you and Samer write permissions. -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 21 January 2013 09:01, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Who ever finds time, can fill the remaining Data, so that the document become complete With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 21 January 2013 07:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I was thinking of putting together a world map showing the use of OpenOffice, the kind with each country shaded or color coded to show the density of use. I can easily get a data set showing the total number of downloads of OpenOffice per country. But the raw numbers don't really tell the story. It would show, probably, that the USA has the most downloads. But that is probably also because of its large population. So maybe we then show downloads per capita, or downloads per 100,000 population. But that then becomes a proxy for economic development, since there are highly populated countries with fewer computers per capital, and low population countries with more computers, etc. I don't think that is what we want to show. So, I'm wondering, has anyone seen data for something like PCs per capita, or home computers, or internet users, or some other proxy for what our potential usership would be per country? Maybe we can use internet users stats by country, something like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_usersto normalize our stats. Thanks, that looks useful. I started entering the data into a spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4Lhq3W5zKodGZtNU1oRGFjWi1kYXkzVEtjOWY1ZlE As you see, Italy is at the top, if you look at downloads per 1000 internet users, with 91. So nearly one in ten in Italy have downloaded AOO! -Rob Regards, -Rob -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: A map of OpenOffice use?
Check the google document at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4Lhq3W5zKodGZtNU1oRGFjWi1kYXkzVEtjOWY1ZlE#gid=0 I have entered the population data alone With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 22 January 2013 22:26, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Good show. I have almost entered the population data into the spread sheet. Then I have to populate the internet user data. Once it is over, I will let you know. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 22 January 2013 21:37, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: We don't have internet users completely populated so from the data we currently have I whipped something up in 5 mins at work. This is just the top 40 Countries. Its manual data entry, once we have internet users populated and I will resolve things like Hong Kong - China and Singapore - South Korea. I can maybe finish some data entry tonight. http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/aoo-test-visualization This is a PNG output: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/vis/FullScreen/fullscreenvisualization.html?id=files%2Fthumbnails%2Ffed90050-64ac-11e2-926b-000255111976.wm.pngvisId=ff062cd864ac11e2926b000255111976 On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mr. Rob, I tried to edit the document, but it is read only. Can you make it readable so that everybody can fill the data? OK. I gave you and Samer write permissions. -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 21 January 2013 09:01, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Who ever finds time, can fill the remaining Data, so that the document become complete With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 21 January 2013 07:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I was thinking of putting together a world map showing the use of OpenOffice, the kind with each country shaded or color coded to show the density of use. I can easily get a data set showing the total number of downloads of OpenOffice per country. But the raw numbers don't really tell the story. It would show, probably, that the USA has the most downloads. But that is probably also because of its large population. So maybe we then show downloads per capita, or downloads per 100,000 population. But that then becomes a proxy for economic development, since there are highly populated countries with fewer computers per capital, and low population countries with more computers, etc. I don't think that is what we want to show. So, I'm wondering, has anyone seen data for something like PCs per capita, or home computers, or internet users, or some other proxy for what our potential usership would be per country? Maybe we can use internet users stats by country, something like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_usersto normalize our stats. Thanks, that looks useful. I started entering the data into a spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4Lhq3W5zKodGZtNU1oRGFjWi1kYXkzVEtjOWY1ZlE As you see, Italy is at the top, if you look at downloads per 1000 internet users, with 91. So nearly one in ten in Italy have downloaded AOO! -Rob Regards, -Rob -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: A map of OpenOffice use?
I will start filling the internet user data With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 01:38, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Check the google document at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4Lhq3W5zKodGZtNU1oRGFjWi1kYXkzVEtjOWY1ZlE#gid=0 I have entered the population data alone Very good. I made some edits and also received a spreadsheet with some more data from Gianvittorio. The results are interesting. For example, what countries have the highest percentage of downloads by population? The top 5 are: 1) Gambia 2) Trinidad and Tobago 3) Zimbabwe 4) Vatican City 5) Saint Pierre and Miquelon It will be interesting to see how the data is when we look at usage per internet users in a country. But however we slice the data we'll have this problem: For very small countries, just a few downloads can shift the ratio by a large amount. For example, the Vatican City had around 100 downloads. So a difference of 10 downloads is 10%. France had 4.5 million downloads. A difference of 10 downloads is nothing. I've seen this handled in other contexts by applying statistical techniques to estimate error bounds on the ratio, and then rank by the lower confidence limit. You can see the technique described (and formulas given) here: http://evanmiller.org/how-not-to-sort-by-average-rating.html -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 22 January 2013 22:26, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Good show. I have almost entered the population data into the spread sheet. Then I have to populate the internet user data. Once it is over, I will let you know. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 22 January 2013 21:37, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: We don't have internet users completely populated so from the data we currently have I whipped something up in 5 mins at work. This is just the top 40 Countries. Its manual data entry, once we have internet users populated and I will resolve things like Hong Kong - China and Singapore - South Korea. I can maybe finish some data entry tonight. http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/visualizations/aoo-test-visualization This is a PNG output: http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/manyeyes/vis/FullScreen/fullscreenvisualization.html?id=files%2Fthumbnails%2Ffed90050-64ac-11e2-926b-000255111976.wm.pngvisId=ff062cd864ac11e2926b000255111976 On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Mr. Rob, I tried to edit the document, but it is read only. Can you make it readable so that everybody can fill the data? OK. I gave you and Samer write permissions. -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 21 January 2013 09:01, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Who ever finds time, can fill the remaining Data, so that the document become complete With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 21 January 2013 07:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I was thinking of putting together a world map showing the use of OpenOffice, the kind with each country shaded or color coded to show the density of use. I can easily get a data set showing the total number of downloads of OpenOffice per country. But the raw numbers don't really tell the story. It would show, probably, that the USA has the most downloads. But that is probably also because of its large population. So maybe we then show downloads per capita, or downloads per 100,000 population. But that then becomes a proxy for economic development, since there are highly populated countries with fewer computers per capital, and low population countries with more computers, etc. I don't think that is what we want to show. So, I'm wondering, has anyone seen data for something like PCs per capita, or home computers, or internet users, or some other proxy for what our potential usership would be per country? Maybe we can use internet users stats by country, something like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_usersto normalize our stats. Thanks, that looks useful. I started entering the data into a spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key
Re: Brainsstorm
Dear Louis Yes I agree with you and try to follow the convention With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 00:53, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi [Comments below] Kadal Amutham wrote: Dear Mr. Rob, 1. Just have a look at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com where new ideas for Ubuntu is discussed. Is there a similar facility for AOO? 2. You have already seen this http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/contributor/vkadal/ideas/ AOO can be split into its parts like the Word Processor, Spreadsheet and Impress. Not every body uses all the three. So users can upgrade the portion office suite, the want to upgrade instead of complete upgrade. Check the posibilty of implementing this With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 Hi Kadal, I'm glad you are contributing! But I do want to alert you to a few things that you may have missed. First, this list, like virtually all the Apache OpenOffice lists, is a public list. For that reason, we urge caution when putting out private information, like phone numbers (hint). Second, this, like other lists, is a community lists: it's a mail list that is read and responded to by many, not just any one single individual, though it may seem that way at times :-) The custom--not codified but pretty much accepted--is that if a person is named, then others on the list who could very ably reply, don't; they wait until the named person replies. So, to keep the conversation expanded and active, the better tactic is to use: * All * [Name], et al., or [Name], etc. or [Name], * or just, what most of us end up using, Hi Cheers and welcome again, Louis
Re: Story Tip: The Top 50 Proprietary Programs that Drive You Crazy -- and Their Open Source Alternatives
I just check the link. It gives good information With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 23 January 2013 07:53, Jimmy Atkinson ji...@whdb.com wrote: Dear owner of https://blogs.apache.org, Hello, my name is Jimmy Atkinson, and I'm the webmaster of WHdb.com, the Web Hosting Database. Earlier today, we published a feature list of 50 popular proprietary computer programs and their open source alternatives. We thought that you and your site's visitors might be interested in having a look. Check it out: http://whdb.com/blog/2008/the-top-50-proprietary-programs-that-drive-you-crazy-and-their-open-source-alternatives/ We would appreciate if you could link to our article if you find it of interest. Please feel free to e-mail me with any questions or suggestions for the list. Thanks, Jimmy Atkinson WHdb.com: Web Hosting Database P.S. If you would prefer to never hear from me again, please let me know in a reply to this e-mail. WHdb.com. 16 N Marengo Ave Ste 317, Pasadena CA 91101
Re: A map of OpenOffice use?
Dear Mr. Rob, I tried to edit the document, but it is read only. Can you make it readable so that everybody can fill the data? With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 21 January 2013 09:01, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Who ever finds time, can fill the remaining Data, so that the document become complete With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 914422396480 On 21 January 2013 07:46, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I was thinking of putting together a world map showing the use of OpenOffice, the kind with each country shaded or color coded to show the density of use. I can easily get a data set showing the total number of downloads of OpenOffice per country. But the raw numbers don't really tell the story. It would show, probably, that the USA has the most downloads. But that is probably also because of its large population. So maybe we then show downloads per capita, or downloads per 100,000 population. But that then becomes a proxy for economic development, since there are highly populated countries with fewer computers per capital, and low population countries with more computers, etc. I don't think that is what we want to show. So, I'm wondering, has anyone seen data for something like PCs per capita, or home computers, or internet users, or some other proxy for what our potential usership would be per country? Maybe we can use internet users stats by country, something like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_usersto normalize our stats. Thanks, that looks useful. I started entering the data into a spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av4Lhq3W5zKodGZtNU1oRGFjWi1kYXkzVEtjOWY1ZlE As you see, Italy is at the top, if you look at downloads per 1000 internet users, with 91. So nearly one in ten in Italy have downloaded AOO! -Rob Regards, -Rob -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: Volunteer
HI Nathan Upsurch, Welcome to this group. I am another volunteer like you. AOO website needs some improvement in general appearance, logo etc. Just have a look. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 15 January 2013 17:18, Nathan Upchurch nat...@upchurchpwm.com wrote: Hi There, I'd like to subscribe to the mailing list, please, and I am happy to volunteer to help. My skill set is as follows: Graphic Design Print Design Web Design Photo retouching and compositing Social Media I use the following software: (Adobe) Photoshop Illustrator Muse Indesign Edge Animate (occasionally) Dreamweaver My background is in print design, production and management. My business website is below if you'd like to get an idea as to what I can do. Kind Regards, -- * [image: Upchurch PWM] http://www.upchurchpwm.com* *Nathan Upchurch* www.upchurchpwm.com 07513772758 | 01896 753 202 | Skype: n.upchurchpwm Please follow me on: Facebook http://www.facebook.com/upchurchpwm | Twitter http://www.twitter.com/upchurchpwm | Linkedinhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/upchurch
Re: Open Office Award Page
The color can always be tweaked. I am planning do to so if my layout is approved With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 14 January 2013 15:57, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/11/13 9:29 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Not sure why the site is not displaying the changes on the page but I also put it an update on JFiddler if anyone want to see the page in all it's CSS glory. (sorry no absolute image links). http://jsfiddle.net/Km7YC/2/ Looks like the CMS didn't push it out to the production server. I tool care of that, and also renamed the HTML so we can compare your version along side Kadal's: http://www.openoffice.org/test/awardsVK/ac.html and http://www.openoffice.org/test/awardsVK/vk.html I like this one but not the blue background and the blue lines. Maybe we can tweak the colors a little bit but in general it looks more organized to me. Juergen I like that yours is pulling out the data info and giving that good placement. But the images are a bit disorganized. -Rob I have a CSS rule that might need change since I specify a standard height, but I see some of the descriptions are quite large, I have some reservations since some of the quotes seems to be unrelated to OpenOffice itself. Also thinking about maybe using JQuery-scrolldown behavior and have kind of a folding event, so users can only see the header, and click on them to read the quote dynamically. Look at the demo on the reference to get a sense of the behavior. http://api.jquery.com/slideToggle/ Thoughts? On 1/10/13, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Put some commits on the page with the proposed changes http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/test/awardsVK/index.html?r1=1431543r2=1431858pathrev=1431858diff_format=h On 1/10/13, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: If you have time to put together a simple prototype I'd love to see what this would look like. Here is a prototype on JFiddler, feel free to add/remove: http://jsfiddle.net/Km7YC/ -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org
Re: International Mother Language Day
This may be a good idea. I will do the same once again With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 14 January 2013 13:15, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 11/01/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote: Not till date! Surprising! It works like Indian Government Office Maybe you can receive better attention by telling them that you're contacting them not just as an individual, but as an OpenOffice volunteer, and that you would like to understand see what the OpenOffice community can organize to celebrate the International Mother Language Day. It might help to state that OpenOffice has built-in support for over 100 languages, has been downloaded more than 30 million times in 2012 and enjoys a world-wide community including hundreds of volunteers. Regards, Andrea.
Re: International Mother Language Day
Not till date! Surprising! It works like Indian Government Office With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 11 January 2013 00:11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sir/ Madam I am Chennai, India. I am interested to know more about the plans of celebrating International Mother Language Day. Kindly let me have the details if any Did you receive any response? -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480
Re: Short introduction
It is good to see some response to my initiative. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 4 January 2013 23:03, Luis David Pascual Callejo paskym...@gmail.comwrote: Hello everybody! After taking a look to the introduction to marketing and level 1 and 2, I'll join tasks 2 and 4 Graham Lauder and Kevin Grignon / Rob Weir, is it ok to join you for the survey of Survey of AOO users/ Design Custom Landign Page? do you have any list, group to join... ? Best, David tasks update: 1. Organize Local Events 2. Survey of AOO users David Pascual 3. Brand Refresh V.Kadal Amutham 4. Design Custom Landign Page David Pascual 5. Refresh Marketing Material V.Kadal Amutham 6. Update List of AOO related Books 7. Review Press Kit 8. Promote Ecosystem 9. Extend Social Networking 10. Create Video Promo 2013/1/3 Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com Dear Friends I have put numbers for the activities listed in https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Marketing+Activities They are follows 1. Organize Local Events 2. Survey of AOO users 3. Brand Refresh V.Kadal Amutham 4. Design Custom Landign Page 5. Refresh Marketing Material V.Kadal Amutham 6. Update List of AOO related Books 7. Review Press Kit 8. Promote Ecosystem 9. Extend Social Networking 10. Create Video Promo My suggestion will be divide ourselves into sub groups based on above mentioned acitivites. Kindly type your under each heading . For example I have added my name under two headings. Happy Marketing! With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 2 January 2013 21:25, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Reg Orientation module: Dear Mr. Rob Some time back there was a question. Why free and good product need marketing? for which you gave a nice reply. This can be included in the orientation module With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 2 January 2013 20:33, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Luis David Pascual Callejo paskym...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! My Name is David. I'm an 26 years old aeronautical engineer with an MBA but no professional marketing experience. I can speak fluently Spanish, French and English and I have a basic knowledge of German. Finally, I can program in C++ and java, although I am not a programmer. I'd be glad to help working about 4 to 6 hours a week in any marketing task you need. Hello David and Happy New Year ! Have you seen our Introduction to Marketing page? This is one of our new volunteer orientation modules. You can review it here: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-marketing.html It is also good to review this modules, to get a sense of how projects at Apache work: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-contributing.html One disorienting thing for some people, especially those from the corporate world (like me) is that there is very little hierarchy here. There is no one in charge telling you or me what to do. Sure, we coordinate on larger tasks where needed. It is not chaos. But it is the interests and talents of volunteers that determines the priorities. What gets done depends on your interests and energy as much as mine. So don't wait for someone to assign you work. You'll want to poke around and offer to help with specific items. Or maybe you think of something new we should be doing? In any case, feel free to shout out if you have any questions getting started. Here is a list of specific marketing activities that are being worked at present: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Marketing+Activities Maybe one of these is interesting for you? Regards, -Rob Best, David
Re: International Mother Language Day (UN / UNESCO) March 21st -- Should we do anything?
Mother Language Day This the first time I am coming across this day. Worth celebrating. I will spread the message in my contact list and comeback if any thing can be done for Tamil. Hope my Tamil friends here are listening With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 2 January 2013 22:09, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I think International Mother Language Day is relevant to a portion of our mission -- we're not just producing open source software for free distribution to the public. But it has been our longtime practice to try to support all languages, not just the major commercially-profitable languages. We make an effort to support regional and minority languages as well, to help reduce the digital divide. That is a large part of what OpenOffice is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mother_Language_Day http://www.unesco.org/new/en/culture/themes/cultural-diversity/languages-and-multilingualism/international-mother-language-day/ So maybe we should plan something for March 21st? (and a few days before as well). I'd like to avoid the problem we've had before, where there is a sudden enthusiasm to do something the day before or even the day of an event. We need to plan ahead if we want to do something. A full commemoration could involve things like: 0) Reach out to UNESCO in advance, to get information about local events, themes for 2013, etc. 1) A special blog post about the importance of support for mother languages in open source software, like Apache OpenOffice 2) Replacing our website logo with a specially designed logo for the occasion (like we did for Christmas). 3) Helping promote International Mother Language Day via our social media accounts. 4) Where local events are held, participate there, maybe even give a brief talk about AOO. 5) A contest? A challenge? Something that encourages user-submitted content? 6) A special call for volunteers? 7) Press interviews? Is anyone interested in this? Is it worth pursuing? Personally, I can help on this, but I would need someone else to volunteer to take the lead, in terms of planning and coordinating. It is not too early to start the preparations. Thanks! -Rob
Re: New volunteer
Mr. Chad The first step, I can propose is as follows. Every one has a bunch email IDs in their address book. So we can prepare an attractive mailer, which can be distributed to many through the address books of all the volunteers. A word of mouth advertising to start with. Whom ever I meet I talk to them about AOO and Ubuntu, both of them I am using With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 22 December 2012 05:08, Chad Jackson cjackson...@gmail.com wrote: I have an MBA with a focus in Management but have taken several marketing courses. Did my undergraduate work in economics. As to marketing, I have coordinated membership recruiting drives, created promotional materials (brochures, handbills, etc), written press releases, organized awards function. I guess you could say I have done a little bit of everything. In addition to those skills I have written policy and procedure manuals at two prior employers. This is just a brief introduction, let me know if (or how) I can be of assistance. Chad Jackson Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 3:35 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: HI Chad, I am another volunteer like you. describe your skill set, regarding this marketing. It will be easy to plan and coordinate With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 18 December 2012 13:53, Yue Helen helenyu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chad, Welcome to Apache OpenOffice! I'm from development, but happy to know that we have more people to help on marketing of such a great product. Please make sure you have subscribed to this mailing list. Someone on marketing will contact you soon. You are also encouraged to talk about your idea here. Helen 2012/12/8 Chad Jackson cjackson...@gmail.com Good morning everyone! Glad to be on board in the effort to help spread the good word about Apache OpenOffice. I've been a user for close to 7 years. Spent much time just lurking on this list in the past and figured it was time to finally give back. Chad Jackson
Re: CD Distributions of AOO (was Re: New volunteer)
Reg CD Distribution: I have understood the problem. Let me think of a solution With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 22 December 2012 04:29, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: Rob Weir wrote: C) Like B, but we define a AOO CD Distributor Best Practices (or catchier name) checklist, and only list distributors who state, in writing to our mailing list, that they will follow these guidelines. If this allows us to impose that listed distributors include on their web pages a prominent notice explaining that Apache OpenOffice is free software that can be obtained free of charge from http://openoffice.org , this seems the best solution to me. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Website style disconnect
Just a loud thinking. Why promote only openoffice? Why not other open source software like Ubuntu? I try this technique to switch completely from licence world to licence free word. ( Still,it is hard to find acceptance. As already mentioned, there is no option of telling Buy One Get Two With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 19 December 2012 22:50, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: I also think typography goes a long way, having some great font on the page could really do a facelift without disrupting the CSS that much. On 12/19/12, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Also been working with Jan to acomodate the mWiki theme, since the new mediawiki come with a diferent CSS than the old Monobook theme. However this should be intune with the current www.openoffice.org style. Lets work together to make AOO site look in tune. On 12/19/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: cc'ing the marketing list, since we have some recent volunteers who said they had web design skills. We have two websites for the project: 1) A public-facing website at http://www.openoffice.org 2) A project-facing website at http://openoffice.apache.org In practice the distinction is not always clear. There are many links that cross from one website to another. For example, a user starting at http://www.openoffice.org/ and clicking the I want to Participate in OpenOffice ends on on this project page here: http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html. The websites have a similar look, but they differ in many small ways, and the cumulative effect of these differences is discordant (IMHO). To draw out the difference, I made two identical test pages that illustrate how the different style sheets treat common HTML constructs, and differences in page headers/footers: See: http://openoffice.apache.org/style-test.html and http://www.openoffice.org/style-test.html Note, for example, how our tagline differs between the pages. Also, the default font size on the openoffice.org is smaller than on openoffice.apache.org. IMHO this is too small for default text. There are other things that are common between the two sites, but perhaps are non-optimal, like: 1) We're really not distinguishing blockquotes well. We're just indenting. Maybe we can add a left-aligned vertical bar? 2) The yellow background of the pre block is a bit extreme. Maybe something more subtle? 3) The hierarchy of headers only deals with H1 and H2. I'm willing to help here, on integration of new stylesheets, getting stuff checked in, etc. But I have neither the taste nor the talent to design a good looking set of styles. Trust me, you do not want be to do design work. So I'm hoping that someone reading this can volunteer to take the lead in proposing a good, modern, professional set of styles that we can use across both websites. Thanks! -Rob -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Website style disconnect
Good comment Mr. Samer Mansour. Let us wait comment from others With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 21 December 2012 09:56, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: I would think this will distract us from our simpler mission, which is to promote open office. It can also be a bit of a double edge sword in the sense that if we are promoting another project and that project isn't received well, it could tarnish our brand or imply something about us which is not true. On Thursday, December 20, 2012, Kadal Amutham wrote: Just a loud thinking. Why promote only openoffice? Why not other open source software like Ubuntu? I try this technique to switch completely from licence world to licence free word. ( Still,it is hard to find acceptance. As already mentioned, there is no option of telling Buy One Get Two With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 19 December 2012 22:50, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: I also think typography goes a long way, having some great font on the page could really do a facelift without disrupting the CSS that much. On 12/19/12, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Also been working with Jan to acomodate the mWiki theme, since the new mediawiki come with a diferent CSS than the old Monobook theme. However this should be intune with the current www.openoffice.orgstyle. Lets work together to make AOO site look in tune. On 12/19/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: cc'ing the marketing list, since we have some recent volunteers who said they had web design skills. We have two websites for the project: 1) A public-facing website at http://www.openoffice.org 2) A project-facing website at http://openoffice.apache.org In practice the distinction is not always clear. There are many links that cross from one website to another. For example, a user starting at http://www.openoffice.org/ and clicking the I want to Participate in OpenOffice ends on on this project page here: http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html. The websites have a similar look, but they differ in many small ways, and the cumulative effect of these differences is discordant (IMHO). To draw out the difference, I made two identical test pages that illustrate how the different style sheets treat common HTML constructs, and differences in page headers/footers: See: http://openoffice.apache.org/style-test.html and http://www.openoffice.org/style-test.html Note, for example, how our tagline differs between the pages. Also, the default font size on the openoffice.org is smaller than on openoffice.apache.org. IMHO this is too small for default text. There are other things that are common between the two sites, but perhaps are non-optimal, like: 1) We're really not distinguishing blockquotes well. We're just indenting. Maybe we can add a left-aligned vertical bar? 2) The yellow background of the pre block is a bit extreme. Maybe something more subtle? 3) The hierarchy of headers only deals with H1 and H2. I'm willing to help here, on integration of new stylesheets, getting stuff checked in, etc. But I have neither the taste nor the talent to design a good looking set of styles. Trust me, you do not want be to do design work. So I'm hoping that someone reading this can volunteer to take the lead in proposing a good, modern, professional set of styles that we can use across both websites. Thanks! -Rob -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [Iteration 1] Social Media Integration on OO.org Site
For the last few days I was talking to various people regarding AOO. C Case1: This person is a computer professional, working in a leading Indian IT industry. When I asked about AOO, his response was as follows. All of us aware of AOO. SInce we are a corporate, we use MS-Office. If we run short of licence, that time we install AOO. Case2: This person is a computer professional, working for various companies. Yes I aware of this AOO. Currently my job is to prepare estimation, tendering etc. Customers prefer solution based on Open Source Platform, since they are cheaper. The industrial climate is towards, open source. Unlicensed software are being detected through internet, So it is not easy to used pirated software. This will encourage open source software. Case3: Went to a small browsing center in a remote village. ( Computers will be available for rent on hourly basis) Their awareness is limited. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 13 December 2012 20:23, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Samer Mansour samer...@gmail.com wrote: This thread is focused on completing the ability to share the download page. A separate iteration will be planned for the rest of the site. A following iteration will plan for a better share ecosystem, such as a landing page to convince new users with a video about aoo. I still need to draft up a plan. I will post that more likely this weekend to get feedback. I should mention one other thing quickly: The website has Google Analytics enabled for it. So we have the ability to do A/B testing of various placement for the social sharing icons to see which one works best. All we need to do is create alternative versions of the same page. Google will randomly present the variations to visitors and track which versions work best. Google calls this Content Experiments: http://analytics.blogspot.com/2012/06/helping-to-create-better-websites.html -Rob
Re: Volunteer Marketing
Welcome Stephanie Mccloud. I am also a volunteer like you. You have to take an initiative in this group. Let guidance may come from the above With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 7 December 2012 07:01, Stephanie Mccloud stephanie_mccl...@yahoo.comwrote: I am interested in volunteering.
Re: Welcome everyone
I do not know whether this is the correct place to discuss this problem. I visited the http://www.openoffice.org/ta/ page where the Tamil characters are not displayed properly. If some one give me the html file, I can correct it and send it back to you, so that it can be put back in the web. It is not easy to read in the current format With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 2 December 2012 14:45, Graham Lauder y...@apache.org wrote: Ubuntu has a place http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com where one can submit new ideas for the improvement of Ubuntu. Is there any place for AOO? I want to submit a small idea for AOO With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 Are you talking UI enhancment, code enhancement, Marketing UX or what. The usual place is the DEV List or you can raise an issue on Bugzilla or you can put something on the wiki if it's UX or describe it here. At Apache everything is on the Lists, if it's not on the lists, it didn't happen. If you have a proposal, prefix your subject line with [PROPOSAL] or you want to discuss something, then do the same with [DISCUSS]. Cheers GL On 1 December 2012 21:49, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: I have some experience in marketing electrical products. My fundamental skill sets ( may not be useful here) is electronics product design. Over a period of 30 years of professional life, I have acquired various skills, most of them may not be useful here. Basically I am a scientist, filed 4 patents in US and in India. I wanted to contribute some thing back to the open source community. So I volunteered myself. I live in Chennai, India, it is in southern part of India. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 1 December 2012 20:29, Graham Lauder y...@apache.org wrote: Woohoo, I'm AWOL for a few days and the list goes nuts Welcome everyone. My apologies for not greeting everyone individually my offline work is a bit insane at the moment, however you've come at the most exciting time. Lot's happening lots to do. Much of what is in progress is on the wiki so signing up there is a good idea. Attachments to the list are allowed for subscribers I think, however they do tend to get lost down the list as traffic gets high. As things get closer to launch of OO 4 the list will get pretty busy. Attaching stuff on the wiki means it will hang around and be kept with the appropriate comparable subject matter. Matters in hand: Most critical right now is the Branding RFP which is on the CWiki here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Brand+Contest+RFP The goal is to formulate a Request For Proposal that covers the whole OpenOffice Brand: Philosphy, style, Persona, image projection and of course the graphical elements. Consider all the questions that a brand designer should be able to answer and feel free to put them up on the wiki page. This is to encourage a broad participation in the creation of the new brand The are no bad ideas, they are all open to discussion. I would just ask that when you make any edits on the wiki that you make a post to this list so we can discuss it and come to some consensus. Eventually the draft RFP will be presented on the DEV list for final decisions. All decisions are made on the list, the wiki is for creating drafts. The old marketing project materials are here: http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Marketing There are collateral pieces that need updating, brochures, presentations and the like. The text can be updated but the overal branding package will have to nailed down before we finish them. The Old Brand Style Guide is on the wiki here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Branding+Style+Guid e To give everyone an idea of where we came from Some comments on Brand design here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Branding+Design Again welcome everybody introduce yourselves with a little detail and perhaps something about what you like to achieve here. Once branding is done of course and we have a shiny new product with it's new coat we will need to look at the campaign for the launch. It's probably not too early to start brainstorming a few ideas for that as well. A short intro, My name Graham or Yo or Yorick whichever takes you fancy and I've been involved in OOo marketing since about '02, not sure exactly but back about then. I was MarCon (Marketing Contact) for New Zealand for a chunk of that time again not sure when that started, it was a while back. I worked as an OOo trainer and Migration consultant for about 5 years but now I'm back at my first Industry
Re: Getting Involved
Welcome Selena. I am a volunteer like you. Briefly explain your skill sets. I am looking for a graphic designer to improve the logo and feel of the openoffice.org website With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 1 December 2012 10:12, Selena Dagbovi selenadagb...@comcast.net wrote: Hello, I am Selena. I am writing to introduce myself. Thank you. Sincerely, Selena
Re: introduction
Welcome Jim. I am another volunteer like you. I am planning a mailer to be sent to all who are all the contact list of all of the volunteers. There is a general concession to go for a new logo and new look for the openoffice.org web site. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 30 November 2012 01:59, J. Matthew Turner jmatthewtur...@gmail.comwrote: Hi! I just joined the mailing list and wanted to send this quick introduction. I'm a producer/videographer/editor with a background in social media marketing. My expertise is in documentary-style interview shooting and web video, so if there's a need to produce a sort of pitch video for the site, I'm your guy. I'm also an old-school computer geek and have been using Open Office and other open source for years, so it'll be great to be able give back to the community. Cheers! Jim
Re: Marketing Volunteer - Ryan Decker
Mr. Rob ( The one who will be looking at you by keeping his face on the palms ) is doing the moderation job right now With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 30 November 2012 08:23, Yue Helen helenyu...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome Ryan! First, please make sure you have subscribed to this mail list by following the instructions here, http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#marketing-mailing-list Who is currently the moderator of marketing mail list? Can we check if these volunteers are on this mail list? Recently we have a lot of new volunteers coming. We need to make sure that they are on this mail list and that our welcome message does reach them...just a little worried about it by my 6th feeling ^o^ Helen 2012/11/30 Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com Welcome Ryan Decker. I am another volunteer like you. Can you briefly explain your skill sets? I am looking for a good graphic designer. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 30 November 2012 02:49, Ryan Decker deckerr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. My name is Ryan Decker. I am very interested in volunteering for Apache OpenOffice. -- Ryan J. Decker (406) 539-3307
Re: Introduction - NEW volunteer
*This is a public list that can be viewed from the internet so is not a good idea to post private information unless you understand the risks.* But private information can be safely stored by the moderators. Technology has ways of doing this With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 28 November 2012 18:29, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Will it be worth while to collect the details of name , phone number, country, native language, best time to call, and put in some spread-sheet, data base? This is a public list that can be viewed from the internet so is not a good idea to post private information unless you understand the risks. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham On 27 November 2012 13:14, Larry Sadler s...@torfree.net wrote: Salutations Quick profile: * started using StarOffice 4.x * have been using OO regularly then exclusively since * hold Bachelor of Business and Master of Business degrees * major in finance, minor in computers * Financial Manager for 8 years * IT Services Manager for 8 years * currently freelance * not a programmer * located in Toronto Canada [at least for now] * only fluent in English * experienced with not for profit organizations * open to suggestions where\how to jump in L -- Larry Sadler 416.354.2952 -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Introduction - NEW volunteer
I opened the link http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=107p=254779. But I could not locate the place where I can enter my personal data. I tried twice. But no success With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 28 November 2012 19:37, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Will it be worth while to collect the details of name , phone number, country, native language, best time to call, and put in some spread-sheet, data base? We do have a wiki page where volunteers can record their information: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=107p=254779 Anyone can create a wiki account and add their own information. Note that this is a global volunteer list, so you might search for marketing to find the marketing volunteers. If we really wanted a separate page with only the marketing volunteers we could do that as well. Regards, -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 27 November 2012 13:14, Larry Sadler s...@torfree.net wrote: Salutations Quick profile: * started using StarOffice 4.x * have been using OO regularly then exclusively since * hold Bachelor of Business and Master of Business degrees * major in finance, minor in computers * Financial Manager for 8 years * IT Services Manager for 8 years * currently freelance * not a programmer * located in Toronto Canada [at least for now] * only fluent in English * experienced with not for profit organizations * open to suggestions where\how to jump in L -- Larry Sadler 416.354.2952
Re: Introduction
Microsoft, Google, intel can afford to have simple logo, since they have a deep pocket, so deep, nobody can reach the bottom. But the case here is a bit different. The logo shall be such that it shall get registered in the minds of the people even they see it few times. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 28 November 2012 19:39, dreamkota web design dreamk...@live.com wrote: The logo of OpenOffice looks too simple. Can you iprove the same? I have a few ideas for a redesigned logo that I am drawing up. When I am done, do you want .svg or .png?
Re: Introduction
The logo at this link http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=107p=254779 looks better. .png file will be fine with me. I have gimp to open / modify With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 28 November 2012 19:57, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft, Google, intel can afford to have simple logo, since they have a deep pocket, so deep, nobody can reach the bottom. But the case here is a bit different. The logo shall be such that it shall get registered in the minds of the people even they see it few times. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 28 November 2012 19:39, dreamkota web design dreamk...@live.comwrote: The logo of OpenOffice looks too simple. Can you iprove the same? I have a few ideas for a redesigned logo that I am drawing up. When I am done, do you want .svg or .png?
Re: Introduction - NEW volunteer
I tried to sign in to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers. But the funny looking image with text made fun out of me. I think the web page does not like me and stopped vehemently entering your site. I will try once again to morrow. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 28 November 2012 20:04, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: I opened the link http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=107p=254779. But I could not locate the place where I can enter my personal data. I tried twice. But no success Oh, I need another cup of coffee g Wrong link. Sorry. I meant to paste this one: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers You should then see a sign up link in the upper right. -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 28 November 2012 19:37, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Kadal Amutham vka...@gmail.com wrote: Will it be worth while to collect the details of name , phone number, country, native language, best time to call, and put in some spread-sheet, data base? We do have a wiki page where volunteers can record their information: http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=107p=254779 Anyone can create a wiki account and add their own information. Note that this is a global volunteer list, so you might search for marketing to find the marketing volunteers. If we really wanted a separate page with only the marketing volunteers we could do that as well. Regards, -Rob With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 27 November 2012 13:14, Larry Sadler s...@torfree.net wrote: Salutations Quick profile: * started using StarOffice 4.x * have been using OO regularly then exclusively since * hold Bachelor of Business and Master of Business degrees * major in finance, minor in computers * Financial Manager for 8 years * IT Services Manager for 8 years * currently freelance * not a programmer * located in Toronto Canada [at least for now] * only fluent in English * experienced with not for profit organizations * open to suggestions where\how to jump in L -- Larry Sadler 416.354.2952
Re: OpenOffice new marketing volunteers: Next Steps
Every one of us will have a list of contacts in accumulated in their in boxes, office contact list. They can be contacted for popularizing AOO. Mr. Rob can tell us of anything already available. Then a decision can be made if the same thing can be used to propagate AOO, or it needs some improvement. Regarding the logo, I have few questions. I have seen few variants in the logos. One with two birds, another with 3 birds. Are you attaching any meaning in number of birds, or it just happened? I think already somebody is working on improving the logo. If some more volunteers with the skill set of graphic design, they also can be roped in. With Warm Regards V.Kadal Amutham 919444360480 On 29 November 2012 01:56, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: Some quick few thoughts on what it is like to volunteer on at Apache project. For some project functions -- like QA or support -- there is a pre-defined workflow. QA tests, writes up defect reports, tests again. That is their cycle. A new QA volunteer can quickly fit into this ongoing workflow. For other functions, like development and marketing, there are very few pre-defined tasks to do. We're more self-directed. We identify what needs to be done, or what would be interesting or fun to do -- hopefully all three -- and then we do it. Some of us propose new things and take the lead on that task while others help out. But there is no marketing lead who defines tasks and assigns work items. There is no hierarchy. Anyone can help. Anyone can propose new initiatives. So if anyone is waiting for me to tell you the Big Plan and what to do, you will be disappointed. Or maybe not You, even as a new volunteer, have a voice equal to mine. So here's what I am planning to do in the next few days. I encourage other more experienced project members to lend a hand. 1) I will send a series of marketing briefs to the list, describing the current state of this segment of the market, our position within in, a little of our history, what trends we've observed, etc. For those of you with a marketing background this will be valuable information. 2) I encourage other project members to send a note introducing themselves and what marketing-related initiatives you are either already involved with or which you wish to start up. For example, let's have an update on the ongoing discussions about a logo contest and the Apache OpenOffice 4.0 rebranding. 3) If any of these existing initiatives sound interesting to you and you want to help, then speak up. 4) Or, if there is something that you want beyond the existing initiatives then speak up as well. Describe what you would like to do, ask if anyone wants to help. You can take the lead even as a new volunteer. My job (with help from other experienced project members) is to help you understand how things work how you can get things done around here. I'm focused on recruitment right now. Of course, I have my only marketing-related initiatives as well that I'm interested in, but I'll describe those later. Regards, -Rob
