[cosi...@gnome.org: Re: [patch] confirm before sending to trash]

2011-03-16 Thread Olav Vitters
for the roadmap
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Hi Giorgio,

On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 15:23 +, giorgio wrote:

 Is there any chance this could be considered? That would make a lot of
 people happy, really.

Thanks for your patch, and for your interest in improving Nautilus.

I think your use case is a real concern, and something we should fix
indeed, but as others said in this thread, I don't think a confirmation
dialog is how we want this to be implemented, especially when it carries
a new preference with it.

That being said, it's too late in the 3.0 cycle now to add new features
anyway, as we're past UI and string freeze, and we have a global Undo
feature in the pipeline for 3.2; I'd like to see this feature integrated
with it, and e.g. the GMail-like approach that has been suggested by
Holger seems a better UI for this than a confirmation dialog.

Thanks,

Cosimo

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Any Shared Slides - New Features for GNOME 3.0

2011-03-16 Thread Emily Chen
Hi all,

I am writing to ask is there any public shared slides to talk about What's
new in GNOME 3.0. Since we are going to have 120+ Launch parties in April,
a slides like this can be reused and shared with some launch parties.

-Emily
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Re: Any Shared Slides - New Features for GNOME 3.0

2011-03-16 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

If I may be so bold, I think that we should not have a what's new in
GNOME 3 presentation, but a What is GNOME presentation.

Presentations should not just concentrate on the new  shiny, but on the
whole experience. Many people have not been watching closely for a
number of years - this is an opportunity to show how great GNOME is, in
general.

vuntz is giving a presentation in Lyon, he might be persuaded to share
it here?

Cheers,
Dave.

Emily Chen wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I am writing to ask is there any public shared slides to talk about
 What's new in GNOME 3.0. Since we are going to have 120+ Launch
 parties in April, a slides like this can be reused and shared with some
 launch parties.
 
 -Emily
 

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Re: Any Shared Slides - New Features for GNOME 3.0

2011-03-16 Thread Andre Klapper
On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 17:37 +0100, Dave Neary wrote:
 If I may be so bold, I think that we should not have a what's new in
 GNOME 3 presentation, but a What is GNOME presentation.

s/not/not only/ and s/but/but also/, IMO.

At least for our local release party the audience is expected to be
quite technical. Hence a What is GNOME presentation *might* be
uninteresting for them.
I don't want to generalize, just pointing out to consider it *in case*
you know your audience a bit.

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Re: Any Shared Slides - New Features for GNOME 3.0

2011-03-16 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Andre Klapper wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 17:37 +0100, Dave Neary wrote:
 If I may be so bold, I think that we should not have a what's new in
 GNOME 3 presentation, but a What is GNOME presentation.
 
 s/not/not only/ and s/but/but also/, IMO.

What GNOME is (on April 6) of course includes what is new  shiny. This
goes without saying.

I think where are we now, and how did we get here is a nice story.

Cheers,
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Re: Any Shared Slides - New Features for GNOME 3.0

2011-03-16 Thread Vincent Untz
Hola,

Le mercredi 16 mars 2011, à 17:37 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 If I may be so bold, I think that we should not have a what's new in
 GNOME 3 presentation, but a What is GNOME presentation.
 
 Presentations should not just concentrate on the new  shiny, but on the
 whole experience. Many people have not been watching closely for a
 number of years - this is an opportunity to show how great GNOME is, in
 general.
 
 vuntz is giving a presentation in Lyon, he might be persuaded to share
 it here?

Do you really think I have slides for a talk that I'll give in three
weeks? ;-)

FWIW, my approach is likely to be something like why is GNOME 3 so
great for you. If you take the highlights from the gnome3.org page, you
actually get a good part of the content for such a talk.

I like what Dave suggests, though. Maybe we can simply add some slides
about the philosophy of the project, with examples illustrating that,
that were already in GNOME 2. It certainly won't hurt, at least.

Cheers,

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Re: Any Shared Slides - New Features for GNOME 3.0

2011-03-16 Thread Brian Cameron


Emily:


I am writing to ask is there any public shared slides to talk about
What's new in GNOME 3.0. Since we are going to have 120+ Launch
parties in April, a slides like this can be reused and shared with some
launch parties.


There are some side fragments you can use here:

  http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingMaterial/Presentations

I'm sure they could be improved.  There is a History of GNOME 
fragment, though it might need to be updated with some of the

latest GNOME 3.0 History (e.g. to discuss GNOME 3 in the past instead
of the future tense).

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Re: Any Shared Slides - New Features for GNOME 3.0

2011-03-16 Thread Stormy Peters
I think we should focus less on history and more about what is cool right
now. And where we are going.

Stormy

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.comwrote:


 Emily:


  I am writing to ask is there any public shared slides to talk about
 What's new in GNOME 3.0. Since we are going to have 120+ Launch
 parties in April, a slides like this can be reused and shared with some
 launch parties.


 There are some side fragments you can use here:

  http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingMaterial/Presentations

 I'm sure they could be improved.  There is a History of GNOME fragment,
 though it might need to be updated with some of the
 latest GNOME 3.0 History (e.g. to discuss GNOME 3 in the past instead
 of the future tense).

 Brian

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Re: Any Shared Slides - New Features for GNOME 3.0

2011-03-16 Thread Juanjo Marin
El mié, 16-03-2011 a las 11:43 -0600, Stormy Peters escribió:
 I think we should focus less on history and more about what is cool
 right now. And where we are going.
 
 Stormy

The history could be graphically reduced to 3 images
1. Screenshot of GNOME 1
2. Screenshot of GNOME 3
3. Left the presentation too you are using and start the demo
of GNOME 3.0

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Re: Any Shared Slides - New Features for GNOME 3.0

2011-03-16 Thread Juanjo Marin
El mié, 16-03-2011 a las 18:59 +0100, Juanjo Marin escribió:
 El mié, 16-03-2011 a las 11:43 -0600, Stormy Peters escribió:
  I think we should focus less on history and more about what is cool
  right now. And where we are going.
  
  Stormy
 
 The history could be graphically reduced to 3 images
 1. Screenshot of GNOME 1
 2. Screenshot of GNOME 3

Obviously a 2. Screenshot of GNOME 2

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Re: Any Shared Slides - New Features for GNOME 3.0

2011-03-16 Thread Allan Day
Hi Emily,

What do you want these slides for, exactly? Will they be to have on in
the background, or the focus of presentations?

If they are for background, I would suggest a slideshow that is low on
text and high on images. I can think of some good candidates, and it
shouldn't be too hard to throw together.

If you are wanting talk slides, when will you need them by? We should
have plenty of GNOME 3 presentation slides after GNOME.Asia...

Allan

On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 23:54 +0800, Emily Chen wrote:
 Hi all, 
 
 I am writing to ask is there any public shared slides to talk about
 What's new in GNOME 3.0. Since we are going to have 120+ Launch
 parties in April, a slides like this can be reused and shared with
 some launch parties. 
 
 -Emily 
 

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Re: Any Shared Slides - New Features for GNOME 3.0

2011-03-16 Thread Stormy Peters
I really don't think the history is what is interesting to folks.

They want to know what it is now.

When a new president stands up, he doesn't talk about all the previous
presidents, he talks about what he's going to do.

Stormy

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Juanjo Marin 
juanj.ma...@juntadeandalucia.es wrote:

 El mié, 16-03-2011 a las 18:59 +0100, Juanjo Marin escribió:
  El mié, 16-03-2011 a las 11:43 -0600, Stormy Peters escribió:
   I think we should focus less on history and more about what is cool
   right now. And where we are going.
  
   Stormy
 
  The history could be graphically reduced to 3 images
  1. Screenshot of GNOME 1
  2. Screenshot of GNOME 3

 Obviously a 2. Screenshot of GNOME 2

 -- Juanjo

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Re: Any Shared Slides - New Features for GNOME 3.0

2011-03-16 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Stormy Peters wrote:
 I really don't think the history is what is interesting to folks.
 
 They want to know what it is now.
 
 When a new president stands up, he doesn't talk about all the previous
 presidents, he talks about what he's going to do.

That's a nice parallel.

When a new president stands up, he will usually begin by appealing to
common values - our forefathers... and all that. Not history, but
culture  tradition. When announcing new stuff, it is usually in the
context of a holistic vision - continuing the work of the past, making
vision become a reality. That is the call to the past which I'd like to see.

As I said, what *is* GNOME (not what was) is what people are
interested in. And the cultural process  values that brought us here is
valuable in that context.

Cheers,
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Fallback / Classic Mode

2011-03-16 Thread John Stowers
Hi All,

This morning I saw this -
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/classic-gnome-3-beta-2-video-no-shell.html

From the comments I conclude that people have no idea what the
classic/fallback desktop is and how it relates to G3.

Another conclusion could be; that humanity is doomed.

Perhaps the marketing team could address the first point.

John

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Re: Fallback / Classic Mode

2011-03-16 Thread Alberto Ruiz
Hey John,

This is a sore point indeed, GNOME Shell won't run on VirtualBox (the
only cross-platform/user-friendly/ opensource desktop virtualization
app), same for KVM (I don't know what's the state for VMWare though).

This really troubles me, a lot of people these days (certainly a lot
of Mac guys) run Linux on a VM, at the same time, the Unity guys have
managed to get their stuff running on top of the VirtualBox 3D driver.

I do not know what is going on at the technical side (probably clutter
requiring OpenGL extensions VirtualBox doesn't implement), but
certainly something worth investigating with the clutter guys.

Then again, I think we should keep the fallback mode as close to the
2.x look as possible tbh to avoid confusion. Maybe showing a startup
splash explaining it the first time it falls back.

My 2cents

2011/3/16 John Stowers john.stowers.li...@gmail.com:
 Hi All,

 This morning I saw this -
 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/classic-gnome-3-beta-2-video-no-shell.html

 From the comments I conclude that people have no idea what the
 classic/fallback desktop is and how it relates to G3.

 Another conclusion could be; that humanity is doomed.

 Perhaps the marketing team could address the first point.

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Re: Fallback / Classic Mode

2011-03-16 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:51 PM, John Stowers
john.stowers.li...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 This morning I saw this -
 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/classic-gnome-3-beta-2-video-no-shell.html

 From the comments I conclude that people have no idea what the
 classic/fallback desktop is and how it relates to G3.

 Another conclusion could be; that humanity is doomed.

 Perhaps the marketing team could address the first point.


Comments seem to refer to the whole thing as ugly.  I don't have fallback so
I can't really judge what shape it is in.  One compalined that they could
move the panels around or anything like that.

Does the live cd have fallback working?  I suppose I could take a look at
it..

sri
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