Re: [gugmasters] Event pre-work page and GNOME Domain.

2011-04-19 Thread Sureshkumar Packiyarajah
Dear Emily,

Great thanks for big help.

cheers to Danishka and Bckurera.

Regards,
Suresh

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Emily Chen emilychen...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am waiting for the GNOME admin's reply on the domain: srilanka.gnome.org

 Feel free to ping us if something urgent.

 -emily

 2011/4/19 Sureshkumar Packiyarajah sures...@gmail.com

 Dear Emily,

 Thanks for the email.

 I know him very well.we all are working under the srilanka open source.

 thanks for your clarification i am totally agreed wit you.

 Tanks in advance.

 Best Regards,
 Suresh


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 wrote:
  Hi Suresh,
 
  I have received request from Danishka for the same domain name recently:
  srilanka.gnome.org
 
  Do you know Danishka, you two work together ?
 
  -Emily
 
  2011/4/16 Suresh Packiyarajah sure...@fedoraproject.org
 
  Dear  folks,
 
  In-order to connect our(lk) GNOME user to rest of world i am willing
  to requested domain of srilanka.gnome.org or lk.gnome.org. i asked to
  gnome-infrastruct...@gnome.org still i did not get any reaction from
  them.we are happy to here any positive answer about it.
 
  additional info about the event in srilanka.today we had APAC meeting
  during the meeting i have given my tasks status[1]
  also you can see pre work of the event.
 
  [1]:-https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_lk_prework
 
  Thanks for your valuable time and encourage us.we are look forward to
  here from you all.
 
 
  Thank You.
 
  Best Regards,
  Suresh
 
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Re: getting a domain of srilanaka.gnome.org

2011-04-19 Thread Danishka Navin
Hi Olav,



 But what are your requirements?

 It first starts off with 'events'. Wordpress doesn't do 'events'. It is
 going to be wasteful if we spend time setting something up if apparently
 everything is fine (plain HTML and Wordpress).

 E.g. with a CMS or Wordpress I don't see anyone handling conferences..
 maybe some plugin exists, but if we don't know, we (sysadmins) won't
 plan for it (or even have time for it).

 Please give some thought to what is really needed. We might not be able
 to provide it, but at least we'll know up front.
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 Regards,
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This is not just for the Gnome 3 release but for Gnome Community Building
and Marketing.

I am contributing to Gnome for several years as l10n coordinator and also
conducting workshops around the country.

As you all know l10n dashboard is ok for l10n but not for other Gnome fans
from my community.
We can post about upcoming and completed events as well as Gnome specific
information in our own language.

This is kind of long term plan, yes we can use external resources such as
blogspot or WP but its not good for Gnome branding.

Anyway I would like to keep the same Gnome.org theme on the
srilanka.gnome.org portal as well.

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Re: getting a domain of srilanaka.gnome.org

2011-04-19 Thread Danishka Navin
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Christer Edwards 
christer.edwa...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Sureshkumar Packiyarajah
 sures...@gmail.com wrote:
  Dear Olav,
 
  behalf of snavin(our Gnome community member in srilanka) is already using
  git so i am totally agreed with Danishka Navin suggestion for the onward
  moving step to get srilanka.gnome.org.in order to have Git we can not do
  much things so we prefer to have sub domain under Gnome.

 Do you already have content ready to push to the GNOME servers when
 this subdomain is configured? (I need to side with Olav in this case
 and use the lk.gnome.org language based sub-domain.

 If you do not have content might I suggest using Wordpress hosted on
 th GNOME servers. You can work on themes via git, but the content
 itself can be managed via the web interface.



OK, WP is fine :)



 My thoughts anyway.

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Re: getting a domain of srilanaka.gnome.org

2011-04-19 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 06:55:22AM -0600, Christer Edwards wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
  It first starts off with 'events'. Wordpress doesn't do 'events'. It is
  going to be wasteful if we spend time setting something up if apparently
  everything is fine (plain HTML and Wordpress).
 
  E.g. with a CMS or Wordpress I don't see anyone handling conferences..
  maybe some plugin exists, but if we don't know, we (sysadmins) won't
  plan for it (or even have time for it).
 
  Please give some thought to what is really needed. We might not be able
  to provide it, but at least we'll know up front.
 
 Wordpress has plugins for *everything*. I'm sure we can find one for
 events and registrations. I may have some time today to look for a
 plugin, but I may need a reminder.

The point is that I don't understand the needs / requirements. For
instance, latest email specifies 'community building'. We might set up
something which might not be beneficial.
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Re: getting a domain of srilanaka.gnome.org

2011-04-19 Thread Danishka Navin
The point is that I don't understand the needs / requirements. For
instance, latest email specifies 'community building'. We might set up
something which might not be beneficial.
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Why we localize?
Why we market the product?
Why do we release parties?

Lets develop the product with minimal effort. is it ok?
what the mater of creating the a subdomain and publishing the content?



 I don't get it. I asked if basic HTML is enough, it was. Then wordpress
 is fine too.. now you say blogspot / WP is not good enough?

 Maybe explain it in another way:
 I can make a search.gnome.org subdomain and point it towards the same
 machine as www.google.com. All the technical bits are handled by google.
 Only thing GNOME does is the name.



what i try to say is if you really have an issue with supporting us by
creating the subdomain and giving some space
the only solution is to create a basic blog at some where else.





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Re: getting a domain of srilanaka.gnome.org

2011-04-19 Thread Danishka Navin
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:

 On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 05:19 -0600, Christer Edwards wrote:
  (I need to side with Olav in this case
  and use the lk.gnome.org language based sub-domain.

 Not directly related, still: How is this expected to work out for
 countries with more than one language, like... Sri Lanka, for example?



have you ever seen a multilingual web portal? :)

Please do not waste the time by asking such questions.
I am really disappointed.

if you badly need example
http://southernlug.org/ (English and  Sinhala)

gov.lk all three languages



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Re: getting a domain of srilanaka.gnome.org

2011-04-19 Thread Danishka Navin
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:01 PM, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  This is not just for the Gnome 3 release but for Gnome Community Building
  and Marketing.

 I think the question Olav has for you is along the lines of what are
 the priority features you'd like in the WP instance to help you build
 GNOME community and effectively market GNOME in Sri Lanka. That should
 allow a discussion along whether it is feasible or, whether plug-ins
 exist.




Basic WP,
Calendering
Social Network Integration
Multilingual support (is possible) there was a plugin
if not we can manage with categories.



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Re: getting a domain of srilanaka.gnome.org

2011-04-19 Thread Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 19:07 +0530, Danishka Navin wrote:
 have you ever seen a multilingual web portal? :)

Argh, I just read it totally wrong initially
(mixing up lk with ta and si).

Sorry for the noise!

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Re: getting a domain of srilanaka.gnome.org

2011-04-19 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 07:03:47PM +0530, Danishka Navin wrote:
 Why we localize?
 Why we market the product?
 Why do we release parties?

We are talking about different things.

I am not after if you get a subdomain or not. That's totally fine. I
understand for marketing you want something '$NAME.gnome.org'. Again,
totally fine.

What I want to understand is what *functionality* you need.

So say it in yet another way:
  Bad example: I can make a $NAME.gnome.org and if you point your
  browser to it, you get an error message that it cannot find the site.
  This because I don't setup a website. Could be because I assumed you
  only wanted some email aliases.
  Or: I didn't understand your needs for $NAME.gnome.org.

  Now, I understand you want something like a website, but what
  functionality the website should have is totally unclear.

  So what I am requesting is what functionality you're after. This to
  ensure when it is setup, it does what you thought it would do.

 Lets develop the product with minimal effort. is it ok?
 what the mater of creating the a subdomain and publishing the content?

That is not minimal effort. If I do not get what you want, it'll result
in a lot of work on my side to continuously change as you make the
requirements of the site known.

E.g. maybe I setup the email aliases and you wanted a website. Means a
lot of work for me to remove the email aliases configuration and then
setup a website.

I want to understand *up front* what you're requesting from the sysadmin
team. Subdomain is very vague! Website I understand, functionality: no
idea.

  I don't get it. I asked if basic HTML is enough, it was. Then wordpress
  is fine too.. now you say blogspot / WP is not good enough?
 
  Maybe explain it in another way:
  I can make a search.gnome.org subdomain and point it towards the same
  machine as www.google.com. All the technical bits are handled by google.
  Only thing GNOME does is the name.
 
 
 
 what i try to say is if you really have an issue with supporting us by
 creating the subdomain and giving some space
 the only solution is to create a basic blog at some where else.

Please re-read my message. Saying subdomain to me is not at all
specific. I do not get at all what you want. It is not about setting
something up.

'some space'.. I don't get it. Please explain the needs more concretely.
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Re: getting a domain of srilanaka.gnome.org

2011-04-19 Thread Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 19:03 +0530, Danishka Navin wrote:
 Lets develop the product with minimal effort. is it ok?
 what the mater of creating the a subdomain and publishing the content?

Well, what's the issue with coming up with some basic identification of
requirements first that doesn't only consist of buzzwords, so
infrastructure folks (mostly also volunteers) can start some actual
planning and allocate time for specific needs, instead of investigating
in something that's not really used later on?

To me it looks like you miss the point...

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[Fwd: Re: Upcoming t-shirt contest announcement]

2011-04-19 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Would it be possible to get the news of the t-shirt contest published on
gnome.org also, please? Perhaps on the foundation blog and news.gnome.org?

Thanks!
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 I propose we announce this at the beginning of next week as Friday
 ain't a good day for it and I'm assuming we'll be finalizing it today.
 

contest published today:

https://www.desktopsummit.org/
http://dot.kde.org/2011/04/19/desktop-summit-t-shirt-design-competition
http://identi.ca/notice/71418555
https://mail.kde.org/mailman/private/ds-announce/2011-April/01.html
http://blixtra.org/blog/2011/04/19/desktop-summit-t-shirt-contest/

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Re: getting a domain of srilanaka.gnome.org

2011-04-19 Thread Christian Rose
2011/4/19 Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com:
[...]
 what i try to say is if you really have an issue with supporting us by
 creating the subdomain and giving some space
 the only solution is to create a basic blog at some where else.

There seems to be some fundamental misunderstanding going on here.

Most existing local community sites, to the best of my knowledge, use
some other ISP, and use a LL.gnome.org subdomain (language code) or
gnome.CC (country code) domain to point to that ISP. I.e. nothing is
hosted on GNOME servers, the GNOME domain just points to it, wherever
it is hosted.

However, for practical reasons with maintaining and for continuity, it
is best to let the GNOME Foundation own the domain, and the GNOME
sysadmin team manage the domain data. But still, we're only talking
about a domain, not content. Even though the GNOME Foundation owns
many local GNOME domains, and the GNOME sysadmin team manages the
domain data, the content is often hosted elsewhere, because the needs
differ between local communities, and GNOME cannot have the same
variety of offerings and support as any ISP.

GNOME is a community project, mostly made by volunteers. So is the
sysadmin team as well. GNOME is not and can never be an ISP with a
support contract. If that is what you want, you should contact a
commercial ISP.

Olav, a hard working volunteer, is working hard figuring out what
specific technical bits you need, if you really want your site hosted
on the GNOME servers. So far there has unfortunately been little
detail. Please be kind and specific. Otherwise volunteer community
sysadmins may not be able to help you.


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