Re: New design Live Gnome

2012-06-09 Thread Elena Petrevska

Thanks Ali,

I will be glad if you can help with the design. Thanks for the comment.
Still I did some further changes : http://imgur.com/JHmU8
If there is also someone else who wants to assist , you are more than 
welcome.


Elena


On 06/09/2012 10:17 AM, Ali Raza wrote:

Hi Elena

Looks good but i think there is still space for improvement, let my 
know if i can assist.



thanks
Ali

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Elena Petrevska 
elenapetrevsk...@gmail.com mailto:elenapetrevsk...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello guys,

I finished the mockup for gnome live, and would like to ask you
for a comment. http://imgur.com/vTVfk
Thanks in advance !

Elena



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Re: New design Live Gnome

2012-06-09 Thread alex diavatis
Hello,

Are you really gonna change live.gnome.org, or is just a wish list item?
If yes, I can post it on our blog, and ask people to sent mockups. We have
5-6k unique a day so there is might a chance someone to help Elena.
Small chance but is is still there :)

- alex


On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote:

 Hi Elena!

 Some more feedback.  I feel like the page itself is a little busy.  How
 about this suggestion - make a single box called workspaces and move the
 team and module maintenance pages into there?  Make another box called
 Improve GNOME and then move all the various links at the bottom into
 that?  That will reduce the clutter.

 The boxes themselves use a hard black line as a border, I suggest
 feathering it at the edges so they have a softer look.  I'm sure Andreas or
 someone who understands CSS better than I. :-)

 Hope the feedback is useful.  Thanks for taking this on!  We really need
 it!

 sri

 On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Elena Petrevska 
 elenapetrevsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 ome further changes : http://imgu http://imgur.com/JHmU8



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Re: New design Live Gnome

2012-06-09 Thread Andre Klapper
On Sat, 2012-06-09 at 20:51 +0300, alex diavatis wrote:
 Are you really gonna change live.gnome.org, or is just a wish list
 item?
 If yes, I can post it on our blog, and ask people to sent mockups. We
 have 5-6k unique a day so there is might a chance someone to help
 Elena.
 Small chance but is is still there :)

While the intention is good I am afraid that this would bring us back to
the start (plus adds some potential for bikeshed discussions), while
Elena's proposal has already seen and passed a few iterations.

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Re: New design Live Gnome

2012-06-09 Thread Elena Petrevska
Brett, at first, thanks for the encouragement and for the contribution. 
I will comment as I go through the mail.


On 06/09/2012 07:53 PM, Brett Legree wrote:

Good day Elena,

Just a few more ideas to add to the mix, and sort of build on what Sri
suggested.

I attached a GIMP-edited version of your original image (should I
instead be posting a link to an online site for this? Not sure of the
protocol for the mailing list, if I should please let me know).
I actually like the changes a lot. It is not a problem in both ways, you 
are fine with this method.


As I am new, I am trying to get a feel for the purpose of the page, so
I did a bit of cut  paste to try and group things together or make
things flow a bit. I put Search up at the top right so it is above the
fold by default, for new and more experienced users, and I suggested
moving the User Login part a bit lower in the hierarchy (since someone
with a login would be familiar with the page).

You really did some very useful changes. thanks !

I thought it was okay to have Join GNOME at the top (not sure where
the link goes - to another page with all of them listed, or to the
bottom of the page where they are spread out?) as well as at the
bottom, as it would seem logical we want people to join the various
projects.

Or, we could try to have only one link to each topic, to simplify
things for both users and coders (just something I picked up in my
studies of UI/UX, I believe there are 6 or 7 ways to print a document
in Microsoft Word, for instance, via shortcut keys, icons etc., some
of them do the same thing, and some of them do not work exactly the
same way).
We will talk about this on the mailing list and I will (in the mean 
time) take care of implementing them in a design.

You could experiment with that spread out list of links to the
different Teams, perhaps with justified/non-justified arrangement of
the text, alphabetical ordering maybe, or perhaps some kind of logical
arrangement based on what is most important to the project as a whole
(though I think they are all important - hence the suggestion for
alphabetical ordering).

I will certainly try it.

Anyway, just some suggestions of course and apologies for hacking your
image apart (!) my GIMP-fu is still not as strong as it could be, so
the boxes in my edited copy do not always line up the way they could
or might.

Hope it helps in any case - keep up the good work - Brett

It was very helpful Brett, thanks again !
Elena
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Re: New design Live Gnome

2012-06-09 Thread Elena Petrevska

Sri, thanks for the comment ! ( I will comment on your mail :) )

On 06/09/2012 07:39 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:

Hi Elena!

Some more feedback.  I feel like the page itself is a little busy.  
How about this suggestion - make a single box called workspaces and 
move the team and module maintenance pages into there?  Make another 
box called Improve GNOME and then move all the various links at the 
bottom into that?  That will reduce the clutter.
It is one idea making less boxes, and the other decreasing their size 
and freeing some space. We may talk on the #marketing channel and see 
what is the most practical


The boxes themselves use a hard black line as a border, I suggest 
feathering it at the edges so they have a softer look.  I'm sure 
Andreas or someone who understands CSS better than I. :-)



It is a good idea !
Hope the feedback is useful.  Thanks for taking this on!  We really 
need it!



This has to be done. And this time, we will make it :))) Thanks to you !

sri

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Elena Petrevska 
elenapetrevsk...@gmail.com mailto:elenapetrevsk...@gmail.com wrote:


ome further changes : http://imgu http://imgur.com/JHmU8



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Re: New design Live Gnome

2012-06-09 Thread alex diavatis
Hello Elena,

On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Elena Petrevska elenapetrevsk...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Alex,

 it will be amazing if you may include more people that may contribute ! It
 will be very useful, because as I said on the blog, More brains are better
 than one :)


Klapper suggested that this isn't good idea. It is also quite likely that
none won't respond, but as I always say, you never know :)
So if you want me to print it out, I will. Personally I think is a good
idea because even if none will help, it still will seem like GNOME is a
community project,
that everyone can easily involve with, and it will earn more sympathy.

- alex




 Thank you very much !
 Elena


 On 06/09/2012 07:51 PM, alex diavatis wrote:

 Hello,

  Are you really gonna change live.gnome.org, or is just a wish list item?
 If yes, I can post it on our blog, and ask people to sent mockups. We have
 5-6k unique a day so there is might a chance someone to help Elena.
 Small chance but is is still there :)

  - alex




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Re: New design Live Gnome

2012-06-09 Thread Brett Legree
Elena,

Glad to lend a hand - certainly, please do take them as suggestions,
since I am not a designer in any way shape or form!

However, I do my best as a UI enthusiast and a cheerleader for people
who *can* design - thanks again,

-Brett

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Elena Petrevska
elenapetrevsk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Brett, at first, thanks for the encouragement and for the contribution. I
 will comment as I go through the mail.

 On 06/09/2012 07:53 PM, Brett Legree wrote:

 Good day Elena,

 Just a few more ideas to add to the mix, and sort of build on what Sri
 suggested.

 I attached a GIMP-edited version of your original image (should I
 instead be posting a link to an online site for this? Not sure of the
 protocol for the mailing list, if I should please let me know).

 I actually like the changes a lot. It is not a problem in both ways, you are
 fine with this method.

 As I am new, I am trying to get a feel for the purpose of the page, so
 I did a bit of cut  paste to try and group things together or make
 things flow a bit. I put Search up at the top right so it is above the
 fold by default, for new and more experienced users, and I suggested
 moving the User Login part a bit lower in the hierarchy (since someone
 with a login would be familiar with the page).

 You really did some very useful changes. thanks !

 I thought it was okay to have Join GNOME at the top (not sure where
 the link goes - to another page with all of them listed, or to the
 bottom of the page where they are spread out?) as well as at the
 bottom, as it would seem logical we want people to join the various
 projects.

 Or, we could try to have only one link to each topic, to simplify
 things for both users and coders (just something I picked up in my
 studies of UI/UX, I believe there are 6 or 7 ways to print a document
 in Microsoft Word, for instance, via shortcut keys, icons etc., some
 of them do the same thing, and some of them do not work exactly the
 same way).

 We will talk about this on the mailing list and I will (in the mean time)
 take care of implementing them in a design.

 You could experiment with that spread out list of links to the
 different Teams, perhaps with justified/non-justified arrangement of
 the text, alphabetical ordering maybe, or perhaps some kind of logical
 arrangement based on what is most important to the project as a whole
 (though I think they are all important - hence the suggestion for
 alphabetical ordering).

 I will certainly try it.

 Anyway, just some suggestions of course and apologies for hacking your
 image apart (!) my GIMP-fu is still not as strong as it could be, so
 the boxes in my edited copy do not always line up the way they could
 or might.

 Hope it helps in any case - keep up the good work - Brett

 It was very helpful Brett, thanks again !
 Elena
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Re: New design Live Gnome

2012-06-09 Thread Christy Eller
Elena-

Did you get the quick mockup that Andreas did yesterday? He and I discussed
the layout and navigation yesterday on IRC. We want to keep it very simple.

http://andreasn.myownb3.com/temp/wikilayout.png   or an svg here, which
would be editable in inkscape:
http://andreasn.myownb3.com/temp/wikilayout.svg

There were a few changes we talked about making to this mockup. One was to
add Sitemap to the top nav. Also, for styling, add the html bg file that I
sent you recently (not the watercolor bg), add the footer called
community.png that I'm attaching here, and make a new logo for
live.gnome.org. I have some ideas for the logo if you need help.

Again, the main thing we are trying to get out of this is simplicity, ease
of use, and the main style elements of wgo- meaning header, footer 
background. If you try to make too many changes from the current theme in
moin moin, I think it is going to get very complex once you start the
implementation.  It primarily needs to be clean and useful. Wikis are
generally styled very simply, because they are all about storing content,
rather than marketing:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
http://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/Main_Page

If you have any questions, or when you have an example, please email
Andreas or me- or look for us on IRC. It seems like it's been very
difficult for us to meet up at the same time, so let's set up an IRC
meeting for Monday if possible. I really appreciate your efforts!

Thank you for your work-
Christy

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Elena,

 Glad to lend a hand - certainly, please do take them as suggestions,
 since I am not a designer in any way shape or form!

 However, I do my best as a UI enthusiast and a cheerleader for people
 who *can* design - thanks again,

 -Brett

 On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Elena Petrevska
 elenapetrevsk...@gmail.com wrote:
  Brett, at first, thanks for the encouragement and for the contribution. I
  will comment as I go through the mail.
 
  On 06/09/2012 07:53 PM, Brett Legree wrote:
 
  Good day Elena,
 
  Just a few more ideas to add to the mix, and sort of build on what Sri
  suggested.
 
  I attached a GIMP-edited version of your original image (should I
  instead be posting a link to an online site for this? Not sure of the
  protocol for the mailing list, if I should please let me know).
 
  I actually like the changes a lot. It is not a problem in both ways, you
 are
  fine with this method.
 
  As I am new, I am trying to get a feel for the purpose of the page, so
  I did a bit of cut  paste to try and group things together or make
  things flow a bit. I put Search up at the top right so it is above the
  fold by default, for new and more experienced users, and I suggested
  moving the User Login part a bit lower in the hierarchy (since someone
  with a login would be familiar with the page).
 
  You really did some very useful changes. thanks !
 
  I thought it was okay to have Join GNOME at the top (not sure where
  the link goes - to another page with all of them listed, or to the
  bottom of the page where they are spread out?) as well as at the
  bottom, as it would seem logical we want people to join the various
  projects.
 
  Or, we could try to have only one link to each topic, to simplify
  things for both users and coders (just something I picked up in my
  studies of UI/UX, I believe there are 6 or 7 ways to print a document
  in Microsoft Word, for instance, via shortcut keys, icons etc., some
  of them do the same thing, and some of them do not work exactly the
  same way).
 
  We will talk about this on the mailing list and I will (in the mean time)
  take care of implementing them in a design.
 
  You could experiment with that spread out list of links to the
  different Teams, perhaps with justified/non-justified arrangement of
  the text, alphabetical ordering maybe, or perhaps some kind of logical
  arrangement based on what is most important to the project as a whole
  (though I think they are all important - hence the suggestion for
  alphabetical ordering).
 
  I will certainly try it.
 
  Anyway, just some suggestions of course and apologies for hacking your
  image apart (!) my GIMP-fu is still not as strong as it could be, so
  the boxes in my edited copy do not always line up the way they could
  or might.
 
  Hope it helps in any case - keep up the good work - Brett
 
  It was very helpful Brett, thanks again !
  Elena
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