RE: reddit IAMA GNOME developer/designer
I think it is a great to do both - I am a GNOME and Designer. Please let me know if assistance is needed. Thanks. Tammy From: s...@ramkrishna.me Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:39:06 -0800 Subject: reddit IAMA GNOME developer/designer To: marketing-list@gnome.org So, I've been hitting the reddit /r/gnome and believe it or not I've been getting positive reactions to my advocacy. Someone suggested doing a IAMA GNOME developer or maybe designer. I thought that was a pretty decent idea. I generally love the reddit community and it's not filled with the same kind of silliness like slashdot. Maybe Allan and Jasper could do a tag team and talk about GNOME and it's vision. What do you think? I can probably also help out as well. It would be a great public relations event. It'll be a challenge, but it's worth doing. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: community managers
Hi, On 11/13/2012 06:53 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: As a project, we are having trouble communicating our vision because everything gets lost in a sea of vitriol due to past actions or perceived actions. For instance, removing fallback is seen as yet again the GNOME project is removing a feature instead of an act of maintenance and sustainability. I think that as a project, we have had trouble communicating our vision, because as a project we are not sure what it is. There is a part of the project that has a very clear idea of their vision, but that vision has either not been clearly expressed, or what has been expressed has not got clear support from the community of contributors in the project. For instance, the insistence that theming will damage our brand, or that Cinnamon is not GNOME 3, has led to missed opportunities for the GNOME project, and has not got grass roots support among the GNOME community (and I'm not talking about users here, I'm talking about contributors - developers, translators, user group co-ordinators, and marketers). After all, GNOME design doesn't have any authority but is able to convince maintainers that doing their approach is best for their application. I disagree with your analogy. I'm envisioning a team of 10 volunteers. 10 volunteers who start out as community managers and then hopefully will be interested in doing other things within the project. I currently have four as of right now. Need to recruit six more! Sounds like a plan, and we certainly need to do something to stop the rot. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
Hi all folks I've have been working in a sketch for the Annual report there is two designs options. If you are agree with the design we only need the text and photos in that way we can launch the report in a short deadline. https://live.gnome.org/DanielGalleguillos/GNOME_Mockups (the text is only for reference) In the last report I could not help to much, but in this report i want to colaborate as much as possible in design. Cheers!!! Daniel GNOME Chile 2012/11/7 Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org On Wed, November 7, 2012 9:43 am, Emily Gonyer wrote: Wonderful, thanks Juanjo! Karen, when does the 2012 Fiscal Year end for GNOME? As I re-read my last message it occurs to me that two big September 30 is the end of the fiscal year for us! So we're in the new period, even though are books aren't quite closed yet for the year (that's quite typical, and the reason that the IRS doesn't require us to report to them for 6 months after the year is over. Still, as you say we can do a better job for our community than that! (or than we've done in the past) things we did totally slipped my mine - released GNOME 3.4 3.6!! They, and the releas parties for them all around the world should definetly be mentioned as well :) good thinking! And we've got some pictures from those I think too. Also, it would be great to feature hackfests a bit more this time, really talking about some of the tasks accomplished rather than just including stats. Hopefully we can ask folks if they would turn their blogposts into appropriate articles for that. We should also include a bit on Marina as winner of the pants award, and we can do the usual short summaries from the annual report (or we can just ask people to turn their presentations from GUADEC into something suitable for the annual report. The bugsquad report in particular would look great with the graphics that Andre put together. I'm so glad we're picking this up now. Thanks Emily and Juanjo! karen Emily On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote: Dave, good points! Off the top of my head, I can think of several things we have to talk about this year: GSoC/OPW GNOME's 15th birthday Hackfests/Conferences (FOSDEM, CeBIT, GUADEC, LinuxTag, GNOME.Asia, Boston Summit, OLF and a multitude of hackfests) FOG Accessibility Campaign I´d like to write about the FOG Accessibiliy Campaign Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
On 11/14/2012 02:17 PM, Daniel Galleguillos C. wrote: Hi all folks I've have been working in a sketch for the Annual report there is two designs options. If you are agree with the design we only need the text and photos in that way we can launch the report in a short deadline. Hi Daniel! I think for readability option 2 looks better. It also matches gnome.org a bit closer. That said, the cover for option 1 is really nice too. https://live.gnome.org/DanielGalleguillos/GNOME_Mockups (the text is only for reference) In the last report I could not help to much, but in this report i want to colaborate as much as possible in design. I would be more than happy to work together with you on this. Are you familiar with working in Scribus or are you doing all of this in Inkscape? - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:17 -0300, Daniel Galleguillos C. wrote: Hi all folks I've have been working in a sketch for the Annual report there is two designs options. These looks awesome, but constantly using a dark background would not make my printer's cartridge very happy (yes, I sometimes print such stuff and don't read on screens only). Not sure if that's a valid argument though when it comes to nice design. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
That was my thought as well - as much as I love it on a screen, it'd be hell to print out... For that singular reason, I prefer #2, though I love the cover on #1 :) Emily On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:17 -0300, Daniel Galleguillos C. wrote: Hi all folks I've have been working in a sketch for the Annual report there is two designs options. These looks awesome, but constantly using a dark background would not make my printer's cartridge very happy (yes, I sometimes print such stuff and don't read on screens only). Not sure if that's a valid argument though when it comes to nice design. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Statistics and how do we serve our website users
Hi! It's been almost a full year since we started running statistics on gnome.org with Piwik. I thought it would be good to look at these numbers and see if there is anything we can do to improve. What browsers does our visitors use: * Firefox 36% * Chrome 37% * Other 27% (IE, Safari, Opera, Epiphany) As all of these are pretty much good citizens when it comes to web standards these days, I think we're safe technically. None of the top two browsers comes with the OS when you buy them, so yeah, our visitors do try out new software and run that if they find it better. :) What OS are our visitors running: * Linux 58% * Windows 7 23% * Windows XP 9% * Mac OS 5% * Others 6% (Vista, Android, iPad, Win8) Windows making up 32% (possibly a little bit more if you add in Vista and Win8) makes me wondering how we can serve every 3rd of our visitors better. Any ideas? - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Statistics and how do we serve our website users
Hello Andreas, On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se wrote: On 11/14/2012 03:54 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: Hi! It's been almost a full year since we started running statistics on gnome.org with Piwik. I thought it would be good to look at these numbers and see if there is anything we can do to improve. Oh, and do let me know if there is anything specific, like search engine stats, visits over certain time periods, screen sizes or anything else that anyone is particularly interested in. I was wondering if you could make anonymous account for Piwik, like we have [1]. As part of Gnome openness and sharing information. Of course you can hide any module you think it exposes private information. [1] http://wogue.org/piwik/ - alex - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/marketing-**listhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME campaign
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, November 13, 2012 6:42 pm, Juanjo Marín wrote: Hi Oliver, Taking into account that Web is not a very popular application by now, most people don't care. A benefit/possibility of doing a campaign around WebKit2GTK+/Web would be to make the efforts more visible to the community and users. I think that what we need to make a FoG campaign for WebKit2GTK+ is a super feature that makes the difference for GNOME, even better if you can use in several parts of the desktop. It would certainly be possible to put together such list. Some features I come to think about that would be exiting to users are (not only including WebKit2GKT+) *Wayland support [1] *WebAudio implementation [2] *Support for HighDPI canvas [3] *Implement print preview in WebKit2 GTK+ [4] *Context menus [5] I think Juanjo has a point. The a11y campaign was not only successful financially but also in raising awareness for an important issue. While this isn't a requirement for a campaign, we should think a way to best couch whatever we choose to do. Perhaps we could do that for the Web too The issue a Web campaign would raise (as I view it) is the importance of of a native Web experience in GNOME. The list with features would then be more a matter of how to best present the campaign itself. Whichever campaign we do, we should make a decision quickly so we can launch before the holiday season. I absolutely agree. Should we have a meeting to discuss this? Perhaps next week? I could even set up a conference line so we can hear each other :) That would be great :) karen Just my two cents, -- Juanjo Marin 1. https://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/Roadmap/3.8 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2VALT-DMGUfeature=plcp 3. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2011-December/msg00030.html 4. https://docs.google.com/document/d/19V52k7L75MII6lcuxQtp-9uQxvxckdUIWUis4jXVp8k/edit# -- -mvh Oliver Propst -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list 1. https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81456 2. https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61355 3. https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102180 4. https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79226 5. https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72099 -- -mvh Oliver Propst -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Statistics and how do we serve our website users
On 11/14/2012 04:08 PM, alex diavatis wrote: Hello Andreas, On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se mailto:li...@andreasn.se wrote: On 11/14/2012 03:54 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: Hi! It's been almost a full year since we started running statistics on gnome.org http://gnome.org with Piwik. I thought it would be good to look at these numbers and see if there is anything we can do to improve. Oh, and do let me know if there is anything specific, like search engine stats, visits over certain time periods, screen sizes or anything else that anyone is particularly interested in. I was wondering if you could make anonymous account for Piwik, like we have [1]. As part of Gnome openness and sharing information. Of course you can hide any module you think it exposes private information. [1] http://wogue.org/piwik/ I'm not totally opposed to this idea, provided that we don't expose anyone's sensitive data. Will look into it. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: reddit IAMA GNOME developer/designer
Excellent! I'll work on getting this set up. No need to be scared. I will engage the more rambunctious of the users. Tammy - Thank you. I'd like to have one developer type though. I will ask Jasper if he would be interested. I'm pretty excited by this. On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: I'm scared, but I'm game. Perhaps we could use the I am GNOME badge that Jimmac did? https://gitorious.org/gnome-design/gnome-design/blobs/master/promo/iamgnome/iamgnome.png Allan On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: So, I've been hitting the reddit /r/gnome and believe it or not I've been getting positive reactions to my advocacy. Someone suggested doing a IAMA GNOME developer or maybe designer. I thought that was a pretty decent idea. I generally love the reddit community and it's not filled with the same kind of silliness like slashdot. Maybe Allan and Jasper could do a tag team and talk about GNOME and it's vision. What do you think? I can probably also help out as well. It would be a great public relations event. It'll be a challenge, but it's worth doing. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: community managers
Am Montag, den 12.11.2012, 15:17 -0800 schrieb Sriram Ramkrishna: Greetings! I know that we have a bunch of new people who joined the list. We haven't done any thing to use you people. Sadly, an epic failure on our part. But I am looking for some good people who can fill the role of community manager. Clearly, we have a problem relating to our user base and some of the decisions have become more controversial than it needs to be. As you point out, community managers basically work on improving communication in projects with separated circles of participants, like silently working in-house developers, and a wider community of outsiders. Do we really have such situation in GNOME? What would be the inner circle then? How did it happen? Do we really want to consolidate such unfortunate situation, or should that inner circle rather be broken again? Ciao, Mathias -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: community managers
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Mathias Hasselmann mathias.hasselm...@gmx.de wrote: Am Montag, den 12.11.2012, 15:17 -0800 schrieb Sriram Ramkrishna: Greetings! I know that we have a bunch of new people who joined the list. We haven't done any thing to use you people. Sadly, an epic failure on our part. But I am looking for some good people who can fill the role of community manager. Clearly, we have a problem relating to our user base and some of the decisions have become more controversial than it needs to be. As you point out, community managers basically work on improving communication in projects with separated circles of participants, like silently working in-house developers, and a wider community of outsiders. Do we really have such situation in GNOME? We mostly have a problem externally. But I think we have a situation internally. Resolving the situation will help the community to scale up. What would be the inner circle then? The inner circle would likely be module maintainers. They are the core team, followed by the release team, designers, translators and everyone. I would like community enthusiastic to be on equal level with this second circle. How did it happen? I think it's a natural organization. There is nothing wrong with this model. We're just trying to get the communication right. Do we really want to consolidate such unfortunate situation, or should that inner circle rather be broken again? There is no issue with core team or anything else. In fact, thanks to World of GNOME, I know more of what's going on with design and modules than I ever have. Our contacts with the general populace needs work. Do people feel there is a looming issue with how team members communicate internally? I never felt that. sri Ciao, Mathias -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
El 14-11-2012, a las 10:22, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se escribió: On 11/14/2012 02:17 PM, Daniel Galleguillos C. wrote: Hi all folks I've have been working in a sketch for the Annual report there is two designs options. If you are agree with the design we only need the text and photos in that way we can launch the report in a short deadline. Hi Daniel! Hi Andreas! I think for readability option 2 looks better. It also matches gnome.org a bit closer. That said, the cover for option 1 is really nice too. I Think the same for readability take the option 2 but use the cover for option 1 https://live.gnome.org/DanielGalleguillos/GNOME_Mockups (the text is only for reference) In the last report I could not help to much, but in this report i want to colaborate as much as possible in design. I would be more than happy to work together with you on this. Me too :-) Are you familiar with working in Scribus or are you doing all of this in Inkscape? I'm not really familiar with Scribus so all this is done with Inkscape :) - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list Cheers!! Daniel Galleguillos GNOME Chile -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
El 14-11-2012, a las 10:44, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net escribió: On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:17 -0300, Daniel Galleguillos C. wrote: Hi all folks I've have been working in a sketch for the Annual report there is two designs options. These looks awesome, but constantly using a dark background would not make my printer's cartridge very happy (yes, I sometimes print such stuff and don't read on screens only). Andre Thanks for you opinion as andreas said Design the Report more readability, and then you can have a happy printer's cartidge :-) Not sure if that's a valid argument though when it comes to nice design. Of course it's a valid argument and I'll keep working to get a better design for this Annual Report. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list Cheers!! Daniel G. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
Hi Emily El 14-11-2012, a las 10:51, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com escribió: That was my thought as well - as much as I love it on a screen, it'd be hell to print out... For that singular reason, I prefer #2, though I love the cover on #1 :) Thanks for you opinion. We'll keep the option #2 but we'll use the cover #1 and maybe review the details for improve the design :-) Emily On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:17 -0300, Daniel Galleguillos C. wrote: Hi all folks I've have been working in a sketch for the Annual report there is two designs options. These looks awesome, but constantly using a dark background would not make my printer's cartridge very happy (yes, I sometimes print such stuff and don't read on screens only). Not sure if that's a valid argument though when it comes to nice design. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list Cheers!!! Daniel G. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
On Wed, November 14, 2012 8:51 am, Emily Gonyer wrote: That was my thought as well - as much as I love it on a screen, it'd be hell to print out... For that singular reason, I prefer #2, though I love the cover on #1 :) I really like #1 - Would it be possible to have a separate for printing version with a light background? Or is that too much of a pain? karen Emily On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:17 -0300, Daniel Galleguillos C. wrote: Hi all folks I've have been working in a sketch for the Annual report there is two designs options. These looks awesome, but constantly using a dark background would not make my printer's cartridge very happy (yes, I sometimes print such stuff and don't read on screens only). Not sure if that's a valid argument though when it comes to nice design. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME weekly roundup (was Re: community managers)
On Wed, November 14, 2012 7:58 am, alex diavatis wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM, alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, Why don't you try an YouTube channel. A weekly 5' show kinda like: I love the idea of maybe doing a weekly audio recording of this week in GNOME. I could potentially do this as an interview with a different key person each week, if it's not too long. Perhaps a half hour each time? I'm wary of video as I think that will take a lot of work... Do others think this is a good idea? Alex, would you want to help with it? karen This week in Gnome...[ie new features] We cannot support this because .. [ie theming API] In Gnome 3.. [discuss/explain some features and how to use desktop] In Gnome 3.. [tech news] It will take only two hours for each person to do this, and you can rotate This week, Allan, next week Seif, week after next Sri and so on. YouTube is by far the most popular media to promote a product, plus you will have a more personal connection with people. Oops that was going to previous thread [reddit IAMA GNOME developer/designer] sooorry :) - alex - alex On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com wrote: Hello, First I love the idea of a community team. KDE already has such a team with a good mission (http://ev.kde.org/workinggroups/cwg.php).I think studying their history and experience would be beneficial to the community team. After discussing this Lydia from KDE, it looks more like a Public Relations team more than a Community Management team. Both do have some common tasks. I think a Community team should encompass a PR team. Agreed. We have a problem communicating our vision internally and externally. Internally it seems like not all of us are on the same page, e.g: theming will damage our brand. Or systemd dependencies etc. Do all high profile GNOME contributors agree on this? Before communicating to the outside world that XYZ is a fact we need to at least agree on it internally. Taking the liberties with ones own modules without general consensus inside the community leads to friction and arguments. This is something that a community team should work on, make people inside the community get along, reduce friction. As a community team another mission would be working on communication between devs, on mailing lists and bugs. Damage caused by snarky, arrogant or dismissive remarks should be controlled and positive communication efforts have to promoted and praised. Just my 2 cents Cheers Seif On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, On 11/13/2012 06:53 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: As a project, we are having trouble communicating our vision because everything gets lost in a sea of vitriol due to past actions or perceived actions. For instance, removing fallback is seen as yet again the GNOME project is removing a feature instead of an act of maintenance and sustainability. I think that as a project, we have had trouble communicating our vision, because as a project we are not sure what it is. There is a part of the project that has a very clear idea of their vision, but that vision has either not been clearly expressed, or what has been expressed has not got clear support from the community of contributors in the project. For instance, the insistence that theming will damage our brand, or that Cinnamon is not GNOME 3, has led to missed opportunities for the GNOME project, and has not got grass roots support among the GNOME community (and I'm not talking about users here, I'm talking about contributors - developers, translators, user group co-ordinators, and marketers). After all, GNOME design doesn't have any authority but is able to convince maintainers that doing their approach is best for their application. I disagree with your analogy. I'm envisioning a team of 10 volunteers. 10 volunteers who start out as community managers and then hopefully will be interested in doing other things within the project. I currently have four as of right now. Need to recruit six more! Sounds like a plan, and we certainly need to do something to stop the rot. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/marketing-**listhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME weekly roundup (was Re: community managers)
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, November 14, 2012 7:58 am, alex diavatis wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM, alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, Why don't you try an YouTube channel. A weekly 5' show kinda like: I love the idea of maybe doing a weekly audio recording of this week in GNOME. I could potentially do this as an interview with a different key person each week, if it's not too long. Perhaps a half hour each time? I'm wary of video as I think that will take a lot of work... slightly off topic: The youtube channel idea seemed pretty good but it was hard to manage. Mostly because I had a hard time figuring out how to tag posts for GNOME. Maybe I'm missing something there. Design guys are always throwing up video on their thoughts. A missing opportunity IMHO. Do others think this is a good idea? Alex, would you want to help with it? It depends. I would set it up almost like an RSS feed postcast. That would make it more automatic and something people can subscribe to. sri karen This week in Gnome...[ie new features] We cannot support this because .. [ie theming API] In Gnome 3.. [discuss/explain some features and how to use desktop] In Gnome 3.. [tech news] It will take only two hours for each person to do this, and you can rotate This week, Allan, next week Seif, week after next Sri and so on. YouTube is by far the most popular media to promote a product, plus you will have a more personal connection with people. Oops that was going to previous thread [reddit IAMA GNOME developer/designer] sooorry :) - alex - alex On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com wrote: Hello, First I love the idea of a community team. KDE already has such a team with a good mission (http://ev.kde.org/workinggroups/cwg.php).I think studying their history and experience would be beneficial to the community team. After discussing this Lydia from KDE, it looks more like a Public Relations team more than a Community Management team. Both do have some common tasks. I think a Community team should encompass a PR team. Agreed. We have a problem communicating our vision internally and externally. Internally it seems like not all of us are on the same page, e.g: theming will damage our brand. Or systemd dependencies etc. Do all high profile GNOME contributors agree on this? Before communicating to the outside world that XYZ is a fact we need to at least agree on it internally. Taking the liberties with ones own modules without general consensus inside the community leads to friction and arguments. This is something that a community team should work on, make people inside the community get along, reduce friction. As a community team another mission would be working on communication between devs, on mailing lists and bugs. Damage caused by snarky, arrogant or dismissive remarks should be controlled and positive communication efforts have to promoted and praised. Just my 2 cents Cheers Seif On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, On 11/13/2012 06:53 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: As a project, we are having trouble communicating our vision because everything gets lost in a sea of vitriol due to past actions or perceived actions. For instance, removing fallback is seen as yet again the GNOME project is removing a feature instead of an act of maintenance and sustainability. I think that as a project, we have had trouble communicating our vision, because as a project we are not sure what it is. There is a part of the project that has a very clear idea of their vision, but that vision has either not been clearly expressed, or what has been expressed has not got clear support from the community of contributors in the project. For instance, the insistence that theming will damage our brand, or that Cinnamon is not GNOME 3, has led to missed opportunities for the GNOME project, and has not got grass roots support among the GNOME community (and I'm not talking about users here, I'm talking about contributors - developers, translators, user group co-ordinators, and marketers). After all, GNOME design doesn't have any authority but is able to convince maintainers that doing their approach is best for their application. I disagree with your analogy. I'm envisioning a team of 10 volunteers. 10 volunteers who start out as community managers and then hopefully will be interested in doing other things within the project. I currently have four as of right now. Need to recruit six more! Sounds like a plan, and we certainly need to do something to stop the rot. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com --
