Re: distro that is focused on accessibilty
Il 02/02/2013 07:13, Sriram Ramkrishna ha scritto: Hi All, I was reading on /r/Linux on reddit about a distro that is looking for donations to work on a completely accessible operating system. I posted a note talking about our own efforts at accessibility. More importantly, we are doing our own fund drive and perhaps it might be worth doing something jointly. I have asked them to contact me. I'm hoping that this might be a good partnership. sri Hi Sri, I think this is a great idea! I've managed the a11y question in GNOME 2 and the support was very good, not so good in GNOME 3, but I was talking just a couple of days ago with Juanjo Marin and he confirmed me that a11y team for 3.8 is reaching some interesting goals. :) Cheers, Flavia -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: distro that is focused on accessibilty
De: Flavia Weisghizzi fla...@weisghizzi.it Para: marketing-list@gnome.org Enviado: Domingo 3 de febrero de 2013 11:12 Asunto: Re: distro that is focused on accessibilty Il 02/02/2013 07:13, Sriram Ramkrishna ha scritto: Hi All, I was reading on /r/Linux on reddit about a distro that is looking for donations to work on a completely accessible operating system. I posted a note talking about our own efforts at accessibility. More importantly, we are doing our own fund drive and perhaps it might be worth doing something jointly. I have asked them to contact me. I'm hoping that this might be a good partnership. sri Hi Sri, I think this is a great idea! I've managed the a11y question in GNOME 2 and the support was very good, not so good in GNOME 3, but I was talking just a couple of days ago with Juanjo Marin and he confirmed me that a11y team for 3.8 is reaching some interesting goals. :) Cheers, Hi ! The transition to GNOME 3.0 was a regression because we weren't able to deliver an accessible desktop in time. The main reason was that Bonobo was dropped and we have to migrate all our accessibility stack to D-Bus and we didn't have the time to make gnome shell accessible. The design of gnome shell included an accessibility icon, so at least it was clear our intentions, though unfortunately the result in 3.0 were very poor. In the transition to 3.0 to 3.4 a lot of work was done in the accessibility technology stack. We think that we've got the same level of accessibility in GNOME 3.4 that GNOME 2 in general terms, Orca performs better than in the gnome 2 but we have some small details like sticky keys indicator that still are not present in GNOME 3 (#647711, still not resolved). Starting with GNOME 3.6, the accessibility stack has been highly integrated into the core, so users that need any assistive technology can use GNOME right from the start. So far, users that needed any assistive technology had to activate accessibility support. This was cumbersome, because they had to figure out how to do that without the help of any assistive technology that they may need. This feature is an important milestone in GNOME's accessibilty. I think is important to note that GNOME accessibility technologies is the facto cross desktop standard for accessibility. The accessibilty team help Qt and KDE developers to improve their accessibility support. Thanks to this collaboration, Orca users will be able to access not only GNOME/GTK+ applications, but also KDE/Qt applications. IMHO, distros oriented to accessibility still has sense, but I think/hope we are getting close to make this something in the past. At this moment, the big gap to fill for making an major distro accessible is making their installer accessible. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: distro that is focused on accessibilty
My point here is that if there is some mutual beneficial way to work with say this distro who is looking to improve a11y, what I see is more people interested in solving the problem. That mean we can do some joint venture that will help a11y and improve the stack. Whether that means money through mutual fundraising for getting volunteers, both would be good for us. On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote: De: Flavia Weisghizzi fla...@weisghizzi.it Para: marketing-list@gnome.org Enviado: Domingo 3 de febrero de 2013 11:12 Asunto: Re: distro that is focused on accessibilty Il 02/02/2013 07:13, Sriram Ramkrishna ha scritto: Hi All, I was reading on /r/Linux on reddit about a distro that is looking for donations to work on a completely accessible operating system. I posted a note talking about our own efforts at accessibility. More importantly, we are doing our own fund drive and perhaps it might be worth doing something jointly. I have asked them to contact me. I'm hoping that this might be a good partnership. sri Hi Sri, I think this is a great idea! I've managed the a11y question in GNOME 2 and the support was very good, not so good in GNOME 3, but I was talking just a couple of days ago with Juanjo Marin and he confirmed me that a11y team for 3.8 is reaching some interesting goals. :) Cheers, Hi ! The transition to GNOME 3.0 was a regression because we weren't able to deliver an accessible desktop in time. The main reason was that Bonobo was dropped and we have to migrate all our accessibility stack to D-Bus and we didn't have the time to make gnome shell accessible. The design of gnome shell included an accessibility icon, so at least it was clear our intentions, though unfortunately the result in 3.0 were very poor. In the transition to 3.0 to 3.4 a lot of work was done in the accessibility technology stack. We think that we've got the same level of accessibility in GNOME 3.4 that GNOME 2 in general terms, Orca performs better than in the gnome 2 but we have some small details like sticky keys indicator that still are not present in GNOME 3 (#647711, still not resolved). Starting with GNOME 3.6, the accessibility stack has been highly integrated into the core, so users that need any assistive technology can use GNOME right from the start. So far, users that needed any assistive technology had to activate accessibility support. This was cumbersome, because they had to figure out how to do that without the help of any assistive technology that they may need. This feature is an important milestone in GNOME's accessibilty. I think is important to note that GNOME accessibility technologies is the facto cross desktop standard for accessibility. The accessibilty team help Qt and KDE developers to improve their accessibility support. Thanks to this collaboration, Orca users will be able to access not only GNOME/GTK+ applications, but also KDE/Qt applications. IMHO, distros oriented to accessibility still has sense, but I think/hope we are getting close to make this something in the past. At this moment, the big gap to fill for making an major distro accessible is making their installer accessible. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: distro that is focused on accessibilty
De: Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me Para: Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es CC: Flavia Weisghizzi fla...@weisghizzi.it; marketing-list@gnome.org marketing-list@gnome.org Enviado: Domingo 3 de febrero de 2013 19:33 Asunto: Re: distro that is focused on accessibilty My point here is that if there is some mutual beneficial way to work with say this distro who is looking to improve a11y, what I see is more people interested in solving the problem. That mean we can do some joint venture that will help a11y and improve the stack. Whether that means money through mutual fundraising for getting volunteers, both would be good for us. Hi Sri ! Jonathan Nadeau is a known member of the Orca community. He participates actively in the Orca and the gnome accessibility mailing lists, so he knows the members of the GNOME accessibility team and what it is done in GNOME. So I think he wants to help to accessibility with sonar, and I have no doubt he will comment if he needs something from the orca and gnome community he's part of. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin PS: he has an interesting podcast about free software and accessibility http://feeds.feedburner.com/sonarradioogg On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote: De: Flavia Weisghizzi fla...@weisghizzi.it Para: marketing-list@gnome.org Enviado: Domingo 3 de febrero de 2013 11:12 Asunto: Re: distro that is focused on accessibilty Il 02/02/2013 07:13, Sriram Ramkrishna ha scritto: Hi All, I was reading on /r/Linux on reddit about a distro that is looking for donations to work on a completely accessible operating system. I posted a note talking about our own efforts at accessibility. More importantly, we are doing our own fund drive and perhaps it might be worth doing something jointly. I have asked them to contact me. I'm hoping that this might be a good partnership. sri Hi Sri, I think this is a great idea! I've managed the a11y question in GNOME 2 and the support was very good, not so good in GNOME 3, but I was talking just a couple of days ago with Juanjo Marin and he confirmed me that a11y team for 3.8 is reaching some interesting goals. :) Cheers, Hi ! The transition to GNOME 3.0 was a regression because we weren't able to deliver an accessible desktop in time. The main reason was that Bonobo was dropped and we have to migrate all our accessibility stack to D-Bus and we didn't have the time to make gnome shell accessible. The design of gnome shell included an accessibility icon, so at least it was clear our intentions, though unfortunately the result in 3.0 were very poor. In the transition to 3.0 to 3.4 a lot of work was done in the accessibility technology stack. We think that we've got the same level of accessibility in GNOME 3.4 that GNOME 2 in general terms, Orca performs better than in the gnome 2 but we have some small details like sticky keys indicator that still are not present in GNOME 3 (#647711, still not resolved). Starting with GNOME 3.6, the accessibility stack has been highly integrated into the core, so users that need any assistive technology can use GNOME right from the start. So far, users that needed any assistive technology had to activate accessibility support. This was cumbersome, because they had to figure out how to do that without the help of any assistive technology that they may need. This feature is an important milestone in GNOME's accessibilty. I think is important to note that GNOME accessibility technologies is the facto cross desktop standard for accessibility. The accessibilty team help Qt and KDE developers to improve their accessibility support. Thanks to this collaboration, Orca users will be able to access not only GNOME/GTK+ applications, but also KDE/Qt applications. IMHO, distros oriented to accessibility still has sense, but I think/hope we are getting close to make this something in the past. At this moment, the big gap to fill for making an major distro accessible is making their installer accessible. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
