Another online survey
http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT2127420238.html This one showing GNOME losing ground against KDE? which has 60% of the readership of the site in question. Not a very healthy trend... Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Another online survey
Dave, check the discussion. The poll has been advertised in the Yoper forums and it showed in the results (18.3 %). The organizers cleared the results from this, but it's not clear yet if they also cleared the results of the other parts of the poll. Yoper is a default KDE distribution so it probably affected the other parts as well. I already asked in the discussion forum if they cleared all parts, but the page seems to be down right now, so I can't say what their answer is. Cheers, Claus On Mon, 09 May 2005 11:56:46 +0200 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT2127420238.html This one showing GNOME losing ground against KDE? which has 60% of the readership of the site in question. Not a very healthy trend... -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Another online survey
Dave, In addition, the 2004 survey does not include Ubuntu Linux which comes by default with GNOME. One can expect the link distro-graphicalinterface. The real fight to get GNOME even higher is to win more distros. In the page they also mention the 2005 survey that will start soon... Simos 09//2005, 11:23, / Claus Schwarm : Dave, check the discussion. The poll has been advertised in the Yoper forums and it showed in the results (18.3 %). The organizers cleared the results from this, but it's not clear yet if they also cleared the results of the other parts of the poll. Yoper is a default KDE distribution so it probably affected the other parts as well. I already asked in the discussion forum if they cleared all parts, but the page seems to be down right now, so I can't say what their answer is. Cheers, Claus On Mon, 09 May 2005 11:56:46 +0200 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT2127420238.html This one showing GNOME losing ground against KDE? which has 60% of the readership of the site in question. Not a very healthy trend... -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Another online survey
Hi, Simos Xenitellis a crit : The real fight to get GNOME even higher is to win more distros. Right. Anyone have any idea how we can go about that? It would be nice to have a 5 minute pitch for distros... in fact, someone could try to come up with one and give it as a lightning talk at GUADEC (hint, hint). Then we would need to get a list of decision makers in the distros that we can engage, and influence. Give them the pitch, collect their concerns if they're going against us (the only thing that we can't really address is KDE has more market share), and collect collate the results. Sounds like a nice, meaty time consuming effort with big rewards. Who's up for it? Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Another online survey
On Mon, 09 May 2005 13:59:44 +0200 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Simos Xenitellis a écrit : The real fight to get GNOME even higher is to win more distros. Right. Anyone have any idea how we can go about that? Is the basic assumption correct? Given the political issues surrounding the question (UserLinux rejecting KDE, Ubuntu adding Kubuntu), you'll have a hard time trying to convince a distribution to change its desktop default. It seems more promising to promote GNOME to end users (institutional and private), and feature those distributions that use GNOME as default. For example, remember Davyd's blog entry about GetFootware: Some people from Gentoo and Mandriva were concerned that their distributions were not on the list, but rest assured, now they are. Indeed, they are: under Ships GNOME, too. Let users decide if they want the hassle to change the default desktop. IMHO, as long as there are visual differences in GNOME and KDE apps, the default desktop will continue to increase as an important aspect of user decisions, and thus as one of the main selling points of distributions. Cheers, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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Hi Dave, I know you have distributions as one of your target customers and I can see your thinking. However, for those distributions that already have a default desktop I think you have a difficult task. From their perspective if they add another desktop all they are looking at is a more complexity and the associated cost with this. There can't be a distribution manager who doesn't know of GNOME, they're just making a business decision that there isn't sufficent benefit. My view would be that the way to get distributions to add or change their default desktop is to get end-users giving them feedback that they want GNOME. Customer demand is one of their strongest drivers. So the message would be not just 'use gnome' but 'tell your distribution to include gnome'. It would be useful if there is some differentiation in capability between GNOME KDE in areas that meet the distributions target customers needs - maybe someone knows some features? I'm about to go off topic. I personally think that convincing distributions directly is too difficult; you could market for enduser feedback but I'm not sure how effective it would be. And while GNOME either loses penetration or has a perception of doing so you've got a problem. An alternative strategy would be to try and make inclusion less important. The old ximian packaging was extremely successful at bypassing the distribution entirely. Consequently, having an end-user binary installation of the latest and greatest would enable you to remove the distribution blockage. I think that the third way would be best because it has positive messages, makes GNOME more of a product (which is easier to market) and improves end-user touchpoints. Since this falls outside the marketing list I'll leave this argument thread at this point. Darn, what a classic this isn't a marketing problem it's systems development issue email. Cheers, Steve On 5/9/05, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Claus Schwarm a écrit : On Mon, 09 May 2005 13:59:44 +0200 Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simos Xenitellis a écrit : The real fight to get GNOME even higher is to win more distros. Right. Anyone have any idea how we can go about that? Is the basic assumption correct? Yes. Most people get their desktop from a distro. Being on more distros means more users. More users means more happy users. Given the political issues surrounding the question (UserLinux rejecting KDE, Ubuntu adding Kubuntu), you'll have a hard time trying to convince a distribution to change its desktop default. That's not necessarily the goal - equal status would be a good improvement. It seems more promising to promote GNOME to end users (institutional and private), and feature those distributions that use GNOME as default. I disagree. Your target audience is much larger and more varied. We have a problem concentrating on a central message. Bigger target audiences (like institutional and private end-users) is a big part of that problem. Let's stop trying to be all things to all men. For example, remember Davyd's blog entry about GetFootware: Our goal should be to get all distros that matter on that list, and the bigger ones on the top part of it. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Another online survey
BTW Lets not forget Foresight Linux which ships GNOME by default and has been gaining in popularity. In fact, Ken Vandine, the person who built the distro is also a GNOME Journal contributor and a big GNOME person.. I think we're going to see some good things from this distro. http://www.foresightlinux.org/ I'd like to see livecd's of this and ubuntu and use them as what an integrated GNOME solution would look like. This would be a good sell to enterprise customers. Also, we should also push for some of the cool stuff like Galago/Presence where you could hook that stuff to batch farms as way to do autoconfig on when a machine could participate in a batch pool for whatever reason kind of like SETI stuff but presence aware. Putting these into things like Foresight Linux (which is about bleeding edge) would make great technology demo. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
