Re: Rescheduled: Emergency marketing team meeting
And I reminder to everyone (especially US folks who just went through daylight savings) to double check what time UTC time is in local time. Stormy On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote: In order to better get the participation of our European members, new times have been proposed next week instead of this week. The previous Doodle is cancelled. Please fill out your available times in the Doodle link, below: http://www.doodle.com/mqa2zx7dmxdavx9b Meeting will be on #marketing. Agenda is the same as in the previous announcement. A few people haven't replied but baring any radical changes, the meeting will be Tuesday, March 16, 2010 at 13:00:00 UTC. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
I don't know about you guys, but I'm still not clear what came out of the UX hackfest. Which would automatically make me agree with the below. Furthermore, I don't understand how within the 6 month time period that you will have all the user testing, addressing regression (gnome shell for instance has no applets, I consider that a regression regardless of whether it is a good thing or not and finally documentation. I'm in India this week attending my grandfather's funeral, I would like to attend at whatever time you set.. you don't need to accommodate me. sri On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote: Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. In order to facilitate the meeting going quickly and with a minimal amount of straying off-topic, I would like to hear on this list in advance if there is anyone whom disagrees with the following premise or whom feels that it needs slight modification: From a marketing perspective we, publicly, cannot promise anything as radically disruptive as proposed by the UX Hackfest brainstorming sessions for delivery *after* Gnome 3.0 (whenever that release may be.) Such a strategy would have the following outcomes: 1. It would make our desktop look like 3.0 is half-baked 2. It would make us look like we're experimenting on our user base 3. It would make our desktop environment look unstable On the other hand, should such changes happen organically--that is, not part of a narrative about what Gnome 3 is--then so be it. Please make your feelings known if you disagree in advance of the meeting so that we all start from the same frame of reference. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
Am Mittwoch, den 10.03.2010, 00:15 -0800 schrieb Sriram Ramkrishna: I don't know about you guys, but I'm still not clear what came out of the UX hackfest. On a related note, I assume that hackfest output is quite unrelated to GNOME 3, as most changes will be too late for GNOME 3, but such a message wasn't communicated. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://www.iomc.de/ | http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. Here is a Doodle link. Please select a time: http://www.doodle.com/fau28xapd3qwr6ry Please reply to the Doodle by two hours from now. It's looking like Wednesday (tomorrow) is leading. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 09:55 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. Here is a Doodle link. Please select a time: http://www.doodle.com/fau28xapd3qwr6ry Please reply to the Doodle by two hours from now. It's looking like Wednesday (tomorrow) is leading. So its looking like 2-4 am my time which is European timeThat is a tad prohibitive. Shane -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
Hi, Shane Fagan wrote: So its looking like 2-4 am my time which is European timeThat is a tad prohibitive. Similarly none of the proposed times are possible for me. Enjoy the meeting! Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
Hi Jason, I know you said you put in all possible times but they are essentially the same times every day. Maybe you could also try very early morning or night to try to accommodate more people? Stormy On Mar 9, 2010 9:12 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, Shane Fagan wrote: So its looking like 2-4 am my time which is European timeThat is a tad p... Similarly none of the proposed times are possible for me. Enjoy the meeting! Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mark... -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
No, I'm sorry but I cannot get up any earlier. I had surgery Friday and my sleep schedule is attuned to my specific pain killer dosage frequency and wound redressing requirements. I have to go home from work during my lunch break and redress. So, the sleep/work portion of my life is fixed in place this week. Dave and Shawn, if you feel that it is important enough that we wait so that everyone can make it, I would be willing to move the meeting back to next week when I can be more flexible and propose morning times. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: Hi Jason, I know you said you put in all possible times but they are essentially the same times every day. Maybe you could also try very early morning or night to try to accommodate more people? Stormy On Mar 9, 2010 9:12 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, Shane Fagan wrote: So its looking like 2-4 am my time which is European timeThat is a tad p... Similarly none of the proposed times are possible for me. Enjoy the meeting! Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mark... -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
Erm, sorry, I meant Shane instead of Shawn. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote: No, I'm sorry but I cannot get up any earlier. I had surgery Friday and my sleep schedule is attuned to my specific pain killer dosage frequency and wound redressing requirements. I have to go home from work during my lunch break and redress. So, the sleep/work portion of my life is fixed in place this week. Dave and Shawn, if you feel that it is important enough that we wait so that everyone can make it, I would be willing to move the meeting back to next week when I can be more flexible and propose morning times. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
Never-mind, Dave and Shane, I shouldn't ask you ask us for that. Forgive me, the Vicodin is impairing my better judgement. I'll send another Doodle for the meeting which will now be next week. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote: No, I'm sorry but I cannot get up any earlier. I had surgery Friday and my sleep schedule is attuned to my specific pain killer dosage frequency and wound redressing requirements. I have to go home from work during my lunch break and redress. So, the sleep/work portion of my life is fixed in place this week. Dave and Shawn, if you feel that it is important enough that we wait so that everyone can make it, I would be willing to move the meeting back to next week when I can be more flexible and propose morning times. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: Hi Jason, I know you said you put in all possible times but they are essentially the same times every day. Maybe you could also try very early morning or night to try to accommodate more people? Stormy On Mar 9, 2010 9:12 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, Shane Fagan wrote: So its looking like 2-4 am my time which is European timeThat is a tad p... Similarly none of the proposed times are possible for me. Enjoy the meeting! Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mark... -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Rescheduled: Emergency marketing team meeting
In order to better get the participation of our European members, new times have been proposed next week instead of this week. The previous Doodle is cancelled. Please fill out your available times in the Doodle link, below: http://www.doodle.com/mqa2zx7dmxdavx9b Meeting will be on #marketing. Agenda is the same as in the previous announcement. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Emergency marketing team meeting
Due to the complete derailment of the thread in which I posted my concerns about the marketing effort going off the rails due to the radical redefinition of what Gnome 3 is at the UX Hackfest, I believe that we need to meet to discuss some strategy by which we can put the marketing train back on-track and find a definition of what--exactly--Gnome 3 is. Two options are: 1. start a thread on d-d-l where Lefty and RMS aren't present and explictly ask that only developers participate 2. run a poll using the polling software from which we would get consensus and then articulate what we find back to the larger Gnome community (definition by mob) Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. Here is a Doodle link. Please select a time: http://www.doodle.com/fau28xapd3qwr6ry -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote: Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. In order to facilitate the meeting going quickly and with a minimal amount of straying off-topic, I would like to hear on this list in advance if there is anyone whom disagrees with the following premise or whom feels that it needs slight modification: From a marketing perspective we, publicly, cannot promise anything as radically disruptive as proposed by the UX Hackfest brainstorming sessions for delivery *after* Gnome 3.0 (whenever that release may be.) Such a strategy would have the following outcomes: 1. It would make our desktop look like 3.0 is half-baked 2. It would make us look like we're experimenting on our user base 3. It would make our desktop environment look unstable On the other hand, should such changes happen organically--that is, not part of a narrative about what Gnome 3 is--then so be it. Please make your feelings known if you disagree in advance of the meeting so that we all start from the same frame of reference. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 10:58 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. In order to facilitate the meeting going quickly and with a minimal amount of straying off-topic, I would like to hear on this list in advance if there is anyone whom disagrees with the following premise or whom feels that it needs slight modification: From a marketing perspective we, publicly, cannot promise anything as radically disruptive as proposed by the UX Hackfest brainstorming sessions for delivery *after* Gnome 3.0 (whenever that release may be.) Such a strategy would have the following outcomes: 1. It would make our desktop look like 3.0 is half-baked 2. It would make us look like we're experimenting on our user base 3. It would make our desktop environment look unstable On the other hand, should such changes happen organically--that is, not part of a narrative about what Gnome 3 is--then so be it. Please make your feelings known if you disagree in advance of the meeting so that we all start from the same frame of reference. Jason, I do share your concerns. Have you (or anyone else) reached out to the GNOME Shell team to discuss a possible roadmap? I'm also concerned as the GNOME Activity Journal has not been proposed as a module yet. Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote: Have you (or anyone else) reached out to the GNOME Shell team to discuss a possible roadmap? Yes, I asked Jon McCann, whom was at the UX Hackfest, to join this list and he said that he was already planning to post a blog post defining what is possible last Wednesday. That hasn't happened yet. I'm also concerned as the GNOME Activity Journal has not been proposed as a module yet. I too am concerned about this. This is one of the many reasons that it may be acceptable to think of Gnome 3.0 as Gnome 2.34 or 2.36. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
Am Montag, den 08.03.2010, 11:14 -0600 schrieb Paul Cutler: I'm also concerned as the GNOME Activity Journal has not been proposed as a module yet. According to Seif today a proposal for GNOME 3 is planned. Writing this here to avoid creation of potential rumours, based on valid concerns raised here. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://www.iomc.de/ | http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
Hi, The times you picked are very bad times for Europe except the Saturday and Sunday. Shane On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 10:58 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. In order to facilitate the meeting going quickly and with a minimal amount of straying off-topic, I would like to hear on this list in advance if there is anyone whom disagrees with the following premise or whom feels that it needs slight modification: From a marketing perspective we, publicly, cannot promise anything as radically disruptive as proposed by the UX Hackfest brainstorming sessions for delivery *after* Gnome 3.0 (whenever that release may be.) Such a strategy would have the following outcomes: 1. It would make our desktop look like 3.0 is half-baked 2. It would make us look like we're experimenting on our user base 3. It would make our desktop environment look unstable On the other hand, should such changes happen organically--that is, not part of a narrative about what Gnome 3 is--then so be it. Please make your feelings known if you disagree in advance of the meeting so that we all start from the same frame of reference. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Emergency marketing team meeting
I listed all of the times for an entire week which work for me. Literally all of them. There isn't a spare moment that I have that I did not offer as an option. On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Shane Fagan shanepatrickfa...@ubuntu.comwrote: Hi, The times you picked are very bad times for Europe except the Saturday and Sunday. Shane On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 10:58 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. In order to facilitate the meeting going quickly and with a minimal amount of straying off-topic, I would like to hear on this list in advance if there is anyone whom disagrees with the following premise or whom feels that it needs slight modification: From a marketing perspective we, publicly, cannot promise anything as radically disruptive as proposed by the UX Hackfest brainstorming sessions for delivery *after* Gnome 3.0 (whenever that release may be.) Such a strategy would have the following outcomes: 1. It would make our desktop look like 3.0 is half-baked 2. It would make us look like we're experimenting on our user base 3. It would make our desktop environment look unstable On the other hand, should such changes happen organically--that is, not part of a narrative about what Gnome 3 is--then so be it. Please make your feelings known if you disagree in advance of the meeting so that we all start from the same frame of reference. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
