Re: GNOME News
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: I'm not sure if that is sustainable. We will need a larger pool of volunteers to do this I think. (which is good for me, because I think we have bought in a bunch of people, but we lose them because there is no work to be done) It depends on what you are posting - 3 detailed blog posts a week, I'd agree. But if you have one longer piece (like 600-1200 words) and two shorter call-outs to either interesting GNOME community blogs, or mailing lists threads, or 3rd party articles, with a couple of sentences of context and commentary, it is not a lot of work. And if we really do manage to spread the load (say, shifts of 2-3 people who own shorter posts for a week, with different people each week, and someone gently reminding the weekly editors) I think it could work. I agree that some of that is not a lot of work to write it. But disseminating information is what we need the volunteer work for. We don't have a good structure on what's going on that's interesting for people to know. For instance, I usually figure out what articles to write because of a blog post, but also on IRC conversations and what not. Sometimes, I might even see something in the commit log that might also spur an article idea. It is those kind of things that take a lot of of work. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: Meeting at GUADEC sounds like a great idea. When would work for everyone? I don't know of any BOF that I'm 100% attending yet. Yep, a meeting sounds good. I'm fully booked for the first two BoF days (30th 31st of July), but could do the 1st if anyone is free then. Otherwise, we can try and organise something informally during the conference itself. There should be time. It might also be good to continue the discussion here - that'll give people who won't be at GUADEC (/ME waves to Sri and Christy) a chance to comment, and will maybe help to spur discussion when we do meet. So let me sketch a rough plan for how news could work... A key goal here needs to be keeping any system we have a simple and lightweight as possible, while still ensuring a regular stream of engaging and high-quality posts. Some ideas: * We aim to have about three posts a week, including a mix of short and long posts on different subjects * We have a set of guidelines on when to post (ie. mid-week, preferably during daylight for North America and Europe) * We have a small editorial team consisting of three or four people * The schedule for posts is planned in advance by the editorial team at a monthly IRC meeting * Each post has an assigned author and editor. It is the editor's job to ensure that the post is delivered on time and that it is checked for quality before posting. * If a post does not meet its deadline, we publish something else instead (hopefully from a queue of backup material) and keep it in a holding pattern until a space in the schedule becomes available * The editors maintain a document containing ideas for content, which anyone can add to. This gets reviewed at each monthly editorial meeting The existing gnome.org site provides almost all the infrastructure we need for this to happen. We can use it to store all our queued material (perhaps with a separate category for backup posts). We can easily use it to give people author and editor roles. Our list of post ideas can be a simple wiki page on live.gnome.org. The only infrastructure question is where to keep the publishing schedule. My personal view is that something semi-private to the editorial team is best for this; a Google Doc would work well, although maybe there's a free option that could work? Thoughts? Opinions? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
I think we should aim for a minimum of 2 posts a week, and if/when there is more to post, not hesitate to do so. Whenever big events (ie GUADEC, GNOME.Asia, etc) occur, its quite likely that we'll have much more content to publish, and limiting ourselves to 3 or so posts a week just seems silly. It also sets ourselves up for irrelevance as we are likely to have time-relative material that only makes sense to publish around the event. Waiting untill afterwards simply because of a pre-determined schedule is likely to make it fall into irrelevance and not get published at all. During GUADEC large portions of our audience are likely to want releveant and up-to-date posts more so than at other times. Using a Google Doc for a rough schedule so as to ensure that we do have content during the 'dead' periods between releases, conferences, etc does make sense. I'd be happy to be an editor/reviewer on the site as I have been doing for the past week or so now. So far its been great, and everyone I've heard from seems to enjoy them. I haven't yet committed to any BOF, so the 1st sounds fine to me. What time? Emily On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: Meeting at GUADEC sounds like a great idea. When would work for everyone? I don't know of any BOF that I'm 100% attending yet. Yep, a meeting sounds good. I'm fully booked for the first two BoF days (30th 31st of July), but could do the 1st if anyone is free then. Otherwise, we can try and organise something informally during the conference itself. There should be time. It might also be good to continue the discussion here - that'll give people who won't be at GUADEC (/ME waves to Sri and Christy) a chance to comment, and will maybe help to spur discussion when we do meet. So let me sketch a rough plan for how news could work... A key goal here needs to be keeping any system we have a simple and lightweight as possible, while still ensuring a regular stream of engaging and high-quality posts. Some ideas: * We aim to have about three posts a week, including a mix of short and long posts on different subjects * We have a set of guidelines on when to post (ie. mid-week, preferably during daylight for North America and Europe) * We have a small editorial team consisting of three or four people * The schedule for posts is planned in advance by the editorial team at a monthly IRC meeting * Each post has an assigned author and editor. It is the editor's job to ensure that the post is delivered on time and that it is checked for quality before posting. * If a post does not meet its deadline, we publish something else instead (hopefully from a queue of backup material) and keep it in a holding pattern until a space in the schedule becomes available * The editors maintain a document containing ideas for content, which anyone can add to. This gets reviewed at each monthly editorial meeting The existing gnome.org site provides almost all the infrastructure we need for this to happen. We can use it to store all our queued material (perhaps with a separate category for backup posts). We can easily use it to give people author and editor roles. Our list of post ideas can be a simple wiki page on live.gnome.org. The only infrastructure question is where to keep the publishing schedule. My personal view is that something semi-private to the editorial team is best for this; a Google Doc would work well, although maybe there's a free option that could work? Thoughts? Opinions? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should aim for a minimum of 2 posts a week, and if/when there is more to post, not hesitate to do so. Whenever big events (ie GUADEC, GNOME.Asia, etc) occur, its quite likely that we'll have much more content to publish, and limiting ourselves to 3 or so posts a week just seems silly. It also sets ourselves up for irrelevance as we are likely to have time-relative material that only makes sense to publish around the event. Waiting untill afterwards simply because of a pre-determined schedule is likely to make it fall into irrelevance and not get published at all. During GUADEC large portions of our audience are likely to want releveant and up-to-date posts more so than at other times. To clarify - the suggestion for 3 posts a week was a minimum, not a maximum, and the number was just intended to get the discussion going. We can totally change that. :) I would hope that we will include event reports within the schedule, and we will obviously need to be flexible in order to cover events as the happen. That'll take a little bit of running coordination. The main goal of the schedule (and the editorial team) is to ensure that posts are fairly evenly spaced. We don't want too many posts at the same time, and we need to avoid having lengthy dry periods. Using a Google Doc for a rough schedule so as to ensure that we do have content during the 'dead' periods between releases, conferences, etc does make sense. I'd be happy to be an editor/reviewer on the site as I have been doing for the past week or so now. So far its been great, and everyone I've heard from seems to enjoy them. Great - it would be fantastic to have you working on this. I haven't yet committed to any BOF, so the 1st sounds fine to me. What time? It'll be the final day; we ought to make sure that people will be around before making definite arrangements. But maybe 11am would be good? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
Hey- There are several WP plugins that are made exactly for this, scheduling posts on your site so as to keep it active. I think some send email notifications, and include calendars of your posting schedules. Should I look into it? Christy On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, July 18, 2012 7:47 am, Allan Day wrote: Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should aim for a minimum of 2 posts a week, and if/when there is more to post, not hesitate to do so. Whenever big events (ie GUADEC, GNOME.Asia, etc) occur, its quite likely that we'll have much more content to publish, and limiting ourselves to 3 or so posts a week just seems silly. It also sets ourselves up for irrelevance as we are likely to have time-relative material that only makes sense to publish around the event. Waiting untill afterwards simply because of a pre-determined schedule is likely to make it fall into irrelevance and not get published at all. During GUADEC large portions of our audience are likely to want releveant and up-to-date posts more so than at other times. To clarify - the suggestion for 3 posts a week was a minimum, not a maximum, and the number was just intended to get the discussion going. We can totally change that. :) I would hope that we will include event reports within the schedule, and we will obviously need to be flexible in order to cover events as the happen. That'll take a little bit of running coordination. The main goal of the schedule (and the editorial team) is to ensure that posts are fairly evenly spaced. We don't want too many posts at the same time, and we need to avoid having lengthy dry periods. This sounds great! We could perhaps evaluate some of the GUADEC materials for articles that are not time sensitive (interviews and the like) so we have a backlog of materials to fall back on during drier times - that's how I got my oggcast going with Bradley the first year. Jos and I wrote some materials at DS last year, but they didn't go that far. Using a Google Doc for a rough schedule so as to ensure that we do have content during the 'dead' periods between releases, conferences, etc does make sense. I'd be happy to be an editor/reviewer on the site as I have been doing for the past week or so now. So far its been great, and everyone I've heard from seems to enjoy them. Great - it would be fantastic to have you working on this. So great, thank you Emily!!! Are there downsides to using piratepad or something like that? I haven't yet committed to any BOF, so the 1st sounds fine to me. What time? It'll be the final day; we ought to make sure that people will be around before making definite arrangements. But maybe 11am would be good? I think I'll have to leave before then, but if this time works for everyone else I'll try to meet up with folks before then during the conference to chip in. I'd love for us to find a time for a marketing hackfest too during the months after GUADEC. Maybe co-located with the Boston Summit? karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Christy Eller KVNF Public Radio 970-314-1840 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: Meeting at GUADEC sounds like a great idea. When would work for everyone? I don't know of any BOF that I'm 100% attending yet. Yep, a meeting sounds good. I'm fully booked for the first two BoF days (30th 31st of July), but could do the 1st if anyone is free then. Otherwise, we can try and organise something informally during the conference itself. There should be time. It might also be good to continue the discussion here - that'll give people who won't be at GUADEC (/ME waves to Sri and Christy) a chance to comment, and will maybe help to spur discussion when we do meet. So let me sketch a rough plan for how news could work... Groovy. A key goal here needs to be keeping any system we have a simple and lightweight as possible, while still ensuring a regular stream of engaging and high-quality posts. Some ideas: * We aim to have about three posts a week, including a mix of short and long posts on different subjects I'm not sure if that is sustainable. We will need a larger pool of volunteers to do this I think. (which is good for me, because I think we have bought in a bunch of people, but we lose them because there is no work to be done) * We have a set of guidelines on when to post (ie. mid-week, preferably during daylight for North America and Europe) * We have a small editorial team consisting of three or four people * The schedule for posts is planned in advance by the editorial team at a monthly IRC meeting This is good, nice flow. * Each post has an assigned author and editor. It is the editor's job to ensure that the post is delivered on time and that it is checked for quality before posting. Yep. * If a post does not meet its deadline, we publish something else instead (hopefully from a queue of backup material) and keep it in a holding We will need to build some of these things up. We have a number of older articles that didnt get published that we could draw on. pattern until a space in the schedule becomes available * The editors maintain a document containing ideas for content, which anyone can add to. This gets reviewed at each monthly editorial meeting Sounds good. Although some stuff might be good to work on immediately because it is a hot topic that week rather and you want to capitalize on it instead of waiting till the end of the month. The existing gnome.org site provides almost all the infrastructure we need for this to happen. We can use it to store all our queued material (perhaps with a separate category for backup posts). We can easily use it to give people author and editor roles. Thanks to our wonderful volunteers! Our list of post ideas can be a simple wiki page on live.gnome.org. The only infrastructure question is where to keep the publishing schedule. My personal view is that something semi-private to the editorial team is best for this; a Google Doc would work well, although maybe there's a free option that could work? We should prioritize with a free option (free as in freedom) over google docs. We had a discussion on this already previously when it came to using other google services like hangouts. Thoughts? Opinions? Put it out there for you :) Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
Hi, On 07/18/2012 10:17 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com mailto:allanp...@gmail.com wrote: A key goal here needs to be keeping any system we have a simple and lightweight as possible, while still ensuring a regular stream of engaging and high-quality posts. Some ideas: * We aim to have about three posts a week, including a mix of short and long posts on different subjects I'm not sure if that is sustainable. We will need a larger pool of volunteers to do this I think. (which is good for me, because I think we have bought in a bunch of people, but we lose them because there is no work to be done) It depends on what you are posting - 3 detailed blog posts a week, I'd agree. But if you have one longer piece (like 600-1200 words) and two shorter call-outs to either interesting GNOME community blogs, or mailing lists threads, or 3rd party articles, with a couple of sentences of context and commentary, it is not a lot of work. And if we really do manage to spread the load (say, shifts of 2-3 people who own shorter posts for a week, with different people each week, and someone gently reminding the weekly editors) I think it could work. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
Meeting at GUADEC sounds like a great idea. When would work for everyone? I don't know of any BOF that I'm 100% attending yet. Emily On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Christy Eller iamchristyel...@gmail.comwrote: Hey guys- If you end up needing any help, perhaps with making the page look more newsy, I can help out. I won't be at GUADEC :( but am available for a short term thing like that- Christy On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Tobias Mueller mue...@cryptobitch.dewrote: Bonjour :) On 16.07.2012 16:58, Allan Day wrote: We can do this online or at GUADEC if there will be enough people there. Meeting at GUADEC seems like a good idea. There seems to be loads of room for BoFs. I think this makes an ideal BoF. Cheers, Tobi -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Christy Eller KVNF Public Radio 970-314-1840 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME News
Hey all, There's recently been some discussion about doing more in the news department. This is something we've been trying to move forward for some time but have struggled to make any progress with. Emily's done a good job getting some posts out in the past few days though, and I'm hopeful that we can get something going. The previous incarnation of our plans was to create a separate GNOME News site, which would take over some duties from news.gnome.org. Christy did a great job trying to make that happen, but I think it was probably too ambitious. Taking a simpler approach and using the existing blog at gnome.org/news seems like a more realistic option. To make this work, we'll need a few things: * Review of posts before publication * A schedule for posts and a list of ideas for future material * Publishing of posts in a choreographed fashion * Regular meetings to plan ahead * Display of authors on the website * A more interesting looking news page [1] Making this happen shouldn't be too hard. The main thing we'll need is a small group of editors to keep things rolling along. Sri and Emily have already said that they'd like to help, and I'll chip in (more help will definitely be welcome though). The next step is to get together to work out the details. We can do this online or at GUADEC if there will be enough people there. Thoughts? Allan [1] http://www.gnome.org/news/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
We also have a number of stuff that Sumana has done that I really wish we could release as well. It's over a year old now, but I'm hoping we could refresh and post it. sri On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, There's recently been some discussion about doing more in the news department. This is something we've been trying to move forward for some time but have struggled to make any progress with. Emily's done a good job getting some posts out in the past few days though, and I'm hopeful that we can get something going. The previous incarnation of our plans was to create a separate GNOME News site, which would take over some duties from news.gnome.org. Christy did a great job trying to make that happen, but I think it was probably too ambitious. Taking a simpler approach and using the existing blog at gnome.org/news seems like a more realistic option. To make this work, we'll need a few things: * Review of posts before publication * A schedule for posts and a list of ideas for future material * Publishing of posts in a choreographed fashion * Regular meetings to plan ahead * Display of authors on the website * A more interesting looking news page [1] Making this happen shouldn't be too hard. The main thing we'll need is a small group of editors to keep things rolling along. Sri and Emily have already said that they'd like to help, and I'll chip in (more help will definitely be welcome though). The next step is to get together to work out the details. We can do this online or at GUADEC if there will be enough people there. Thoughts? Allan [1] http://www.gnome.org/news/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
Bonjour :) On 16.07.2012 16:58, Allan Day wrote: We can do this online or at GUADEC if there will be enough people there. Meeting at GUADEC seems like a good idea. There seems to be loads of room for BoFs. I think this makes an ideal BoF. Cheers, Tobi signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
Hey guys- If you end up needing any help, perhaps with making the page look more newsy, I can help out. I won't be at GUADEC :( but am available for a short term thing like that- Christy On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Tobias Mueller mue...@cryptobitch.dewrote: Bonjour :) On 16.07.2012 16:58, Allan Day wrote: We can do this online or at GUADEC if there will be enough people there. Meeting at GUADEC seems like a good idea. There seems to be loads of room for BoFs. I think this makes an ideal BoF. Cheers, Tobi -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Christy Eller KVNF Public Radio 970-314-1840 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News - Progress and Plans
On 03/01/2012 12:06 PM, Dave Neary wrote: To be an effective news site, we will need to be very selective about the content we agrgegate - I don't want, for example, an announce mailing list RSS stream sent straight to the site - and see half of the front page with fixed-width font that doesn't fit with the rest of the site. And we definitely need editorial control on what gets promoted to/included on the main news site to keep people coming back. From a styling point of view, we can make sure thatpre tags don't get styled as fixed width and with that indentation thing going on there with a style sheet. (I have no opinion on if announce mails et all should go there or not btw) - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME News - Progress and Plans
Hi all, A potential GNOME News redesign [1] has been brought up on this list a few times in the past. We really need a better channel for distributing and generating news about GNOME, something that can handle original content as well as content that is syndicated. Christy Eller has recently stepped up to the plate to create a better GNOME news platform for us, and she has made some good progress. Christy has been working on a new Wordpress-based web site. The idea is that it will eventually be hosted at news.gnome.org. The new site is intended to do several things: 1. Aggregate news feeds just like the current news site does 2. Carry a stream of original news posts about GNOME (ie. be a news blog) 3. Provide an easy way for new contributors to get involved in writing GNOME news 4. Be a vibrant and engaging place The new site will host a stream of news posts that can be subscribed to (initially through rss/atom), as well as facilities for contributing and generating content. Christy already has a test site [2] that she is working on. A key aim for the new site is to consolidate and maximise the return we get on our existing news efforts. We are already creating a regular stream of stories on gnome.org [3], but we get little back from that effort in the way of new contributors or subscribers to GNOME news. With the new site, we can generate our news at a single location and then feed it to other sites. The news section on the gnome.org homepage can come direct from news.gnome.org, for instance. However, there are some outstanding questions that still need answering: * Should we have a comments system on the new site? * Where should official announcements, such as press releases, be made? Do they have to be hosted on gnome.org in order to look official, or could they go on news.gnome.org, for example? * What does this mean for the role of GNOME Journal, if anything? Please let us know what your thoughts are on these plans. It would also be helpful to hear ideas for these outstanding questions. Allan [1] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/NewsRedesign [2] http://news-test.gnome.org/ [3] http://www.gnome.org/news/ -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News - Progress and Plans
Hi, On 03/01/2012 11:26 AM, Allan Day wrote: ... Thanks for the update! Looks like things are coming along nicely. Any feedback from the Journal authors editors? Are they involved in the news rework at this point? To be an effective news site, we will need to be very selective about the content we agrgegate - I don't want, for example, an announce mailing list RSS stream sent straight to the site - and see half of the front page with fixed-width font that doesn't fit with the rest of the site. And we definitely need editorial control on what gets promoted to/included on the main news site to keep people coming back. However, there are some outstanding questions that still need answering: * Should we have a comments system on the new site? Yes, definitely. * Where should official announcements, such as press releases, be made? Do they have to be hosted on gnome.org in order to look official, or could they go on news.gnome.org, for example? I'd keep proper press releases somewhere else - the news site shouldn't just be a regurgitated press release, it should be a less formal, potentially more informative, commentary on the press release. * What does this mean for the role of GNOME Journal, if anything? I'd like to see this *be* the GNOME Journal. What I'd like to see is have people sign up to a newsletter if they want, and have a monthly Best of GNOME News newsletter sent out, with links to the original articles top stories of the month. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News - Progress and Plans
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 10:26:03AM +, Allan Day wrote: 1. Aggregate news feeds just like the current news site does So all existing feeds would be preserved? Currently it has various mailing lists as source. The resulting post is not that great, but it is pretty nice to just be able to send an email announcement and have news.gnome.org be updated automatically. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News - Progress and Plans
Hi, On 03/01/2012 02:22 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 10:26:03AM +, Allan Day wrote: 1. Aggregate news feeds just like the current news site does So all existing feeds would be preserved? Currently it has various mailing lists as source. The resulting post is not that great, but it is pretty nice to just be able to send an email announcement and have news.gnome.org be updated automatically. It might be nice for the sender, but as you say, it's not that nice for the reader. I would discourage that practice. I'd much prefer that interesting announcements get a news article which can point to the announce email (like on LWN). Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News - Progress and Plans
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 04:33:51PM +0100, Dave Neary wrote: It might be nice for the sender, but as you say, it's not that nice for the reader. I would discourage that practice. I'd much prefer that interesting announcements get a news article which can point to the announce email (like on LWN). As long as it is on there within 24 hours, all is fine. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News - Progress and Plans
Hi- Thanks so much for your feedback- From what I understand, Sri and Emily have been working on Journal. Sri and Allan and I had a meeting about these news ideas, and Sri was very involved in getting the news-test site infrastructure set up. He indicated that he was open to discussion about Journal. Just wanted to note that the feed that is in there is http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/feed/rss, which I threw in there to test it. The structure for foundation has changed, so that will change. I have a list of feeds, and will start populating that area today. Christy On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 04:33:51PM +0100, Dave Neary wrote: It might be nice for the sender, but as you say, it's not that nice for the reader. I would discourage that practice. I'd much prefer that interesting announcements get a news article which can point to the announce email (like on LWN). As long as it is on there within 24 hours, all is fine. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News - Progress and Plans
I currently have 3 completed articles for the GNOME journal (two interviews one article), and am hoping for at least one more article more focused on development of an application or gnome shell or something, then once I get the stuff for the quarterly report we'll publish it all at once, and hopefully get a pdf/epub/etc out w/ all the same material around the same time. Emily On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Christy Eller iamchristyel...@gmail.comwrote: Hi- Thanks so much for your feedback- From what I understand, Sri and Emily have been working on Journal. Sri and Allan and I had a meeting about these news ideas, and Sri was very involved in getting the news-test site infrastructure set up. He indicated that he was open to discussion about Journal. Yes, I sent Emily the list of unpublished articles and she's working on them. I'm looking for more contributors. However, we will still need to work on content for journal and news and I don't think that has completely solidified yet. In my opinion though, we should just experiment and see what works and what doesn't. sri Just wanted to note that the feed that is in there is http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/feed/rss, which I threw in there to test it. The structure for foundation has changed, so that will change. I have a list of feeds, and will start populating that area today. Christy On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 04:33:51PM +0100, Dave Neary wrote: It might be nice for the sender, but as you say, it's not that nice for the reader. I would discourage that practice. I'd much prefer that interesting announcements get a news article which can point to the announce email (like on LWN). As long as it is on there within 24 hours, all is fine. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News - Progress and Plans
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, On 03/01/2012 11:26 AM, Allan Day wrote: ... Thanks for the update! Looks like things are coming along nicely. Any feedback from the Journal authors editors? Are they involved in the news rework at this point? To be an effective news site, we will need to be very selective about the content we agrgegate - I don't want, for example, an announce mailing list RSS stream sent straight to the site - and see half of the front page with fixed-width font that doesn't fit with the rest of the site. And we definitely need editorial control on what gets promoted to/included on the main news site to keep people coming back. The current plan is to have two streams of content on news.gnome.org. The primary stream will be original content, the secondary stream will be aggregated from other sites in the same manner as the current news.gnome.org site. You'll still be able to see (and subscribe to) the aggregated content, but it won't have equal weight. However, there are some outstanding questions that still need answering: * Should we have a comments system on the new site? Yes, definitely. * Where should official announcements, such as press releases, be made? Do they have to be hosted on gnome.org in order to look official, or could they go on news.gnome.org, for example? I'd keep proper press releases somewhere else - the news site shouldn't just be a regurgitated press release, it should be a less formal, potentially more informative, commentary on the press release. Makes sense. * What does this mean for the role of GNOME Journal, if anything? I'd like to see this *be* the GNOME Journal. I agree with Sri that we need to wait and see how things work out. If GNOME News and the Journal both manage to become living breathing sites, we'll have to try and come up with a sensible division of labour (GNOME News sticking to current news and the Journal doing in-depth articles, for example). What I'd like to see is have people sign up to a newsletter if they want, and have a monthly Best of GNOME News newsletter sent out, with links to the original articles top stories of the month. That would be great indeed. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News - Progress and Plans
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 10:26:03AM +, Allan Day wrote: 1. Aggregate news feeds just like the current news site does So all existing feeds would be preserved? ... Currently the idea is to maintain most of the current feeds. There are a few, like the Gtk-perl list, which don't seem to be very helpful. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News - Progress and Plans
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 05:37:15PM +0100, Dave Neary wrote: On 03/01/2012 04:36 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: As long as it is on there within 24 hours, all is fine. I don't understand. Is this a requirement you'd like to suggest for the news site? That all emails sent to announcement lists get syndicated to the main GNOME news feed? Or are you just stating an expectation that you have? Currently http://news.gnome.org/ syndicates devel-announce-list and so on. So people interested in GNOME development can just follow the website and don't have to subscribe to a mailing list (high barrier). GNOME News will replace the URL, so then our GNOME development news needs a place somewhere. I don't want to misunderstand you, so please do let me know if we've got crossed wires. I definitely do not think that we should push all announcement emails to the news site. Some announcements are news (that is, relevant to people other than GNOME hackers), many are not. And people who want to get the announcement emails have an easy way to do it - subscribing to the announcement lists. But that you only get people to know about development who take effort to figure out that something like devel-announce-list exists. The news site should provide a compelling reading experience to both regular readers and casual readers. Can tell me where announcement emails fit into that, please? I find GNOME development mails interesting. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Organising GNOME News
Hi all, We can do a much better job at organising our news generating activities, so that we have a more regular flow of posts and so that we adequately cover events when they happen. To this end, I've started some planning pages on the wiki. There's a high-level [1] page covering goals and, perhaps more importantly, there's also a planning page [2] that covers event planning and content ideas. I think we should have someone who is responsible for coordinating the news around each GNOME event. They need to make sure that news stories get written and proofed and go out on time, and they need to make sure that necessary arrangements take place before each event. As I trial run, I've put myself down as the news lead for FOSDEM 2012 [3]. If it goes well I'm hoping that other people will volunteer to do other events. I hope that this will give people an opportunity to get involved in generating GNOME news and gives us a vehicle to get more organised. Thoughts? Opinions? Allan [1] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/News/ [2] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/News/ContentPlanning [3] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/News/ContentPlanning/FOSDEM -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Organising GNOME News
On Thu, January 12, 2012 7:05 am, Allan Day wrote: Hi all, We can do a much better job at organising our news generating activities, so that we have a more regular flow of posts and so that we adequately cover events when they happen. To this end, I've started some planning pages on the wiki. There's a high-level [1] page covering goals and, perhaps more importantly, there's also a planning page [2] that covers event planning and content ideas. I think we should have someone who is responsible for coordinating the news around each GNOME event. They need to make sure that news stories get written and proofed and go out on time, and they need to make sure that necessary arrangements take place before each event. As I trial run, I've put myself down as the news lead for FOSDEM 2012 [3]. If it goes well I'm hoping that other people will volunteer to do other events. I hope that this will give people an opportunity to get involved in generating GNOME news and gives us a vehicle to get more organised. Thoughts? Opinions? I think this is great! I wonder, is there any way we can key the dates from the wiki to cron job emails to the marketing list? Or some other way to make sure we don't let any of the items that we put on the page slip through the cracks? Just a thought! karen Allan [1] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/News/ [2] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/News/ContentPlanning [3] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/News/ContentPlanning/FOSDEM -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Developing GNOME News
Hi all, My action item from last week's meeting was to mail the list about options for our news sites. So here we go! The question is how we should develop GNOME's news sites and what role GNOME Journal should have. A number of goals were brought up in our discussion last week, including: * Doing a better job of getting the news out * Enabling people to contribute to GNOME marketing more easily * Reducing fragmentation of our news sources I'm personally keen to address these issues and could use some of my time working on them. It seems like there are a few possible approaches: *** Turn GNOME Journal into a blog *** I spoke to the previous journal editors about publishing more regularly and they weren't too keen. The future for GNOME Journal seems uncertain right now, since it lacks contributors. *** Make gnome.org the primary site for GNOME news *** We already have a news feed on the site and this could be expanded to include a greater variety of content. I think the question here is whether we want to expand the role of gnome.org away from 'official' announcements and news. My sense is that we don't, but I would be interested to hear other peoples' views on this. *** Use news.gnome.org *** This only carries syndicated content right now. We could turn it into a site that pushes stories from elsewhere and has its own original content, however (like LWN does). This approach appeals to me because it would mean that we would have a single place for both kinds of content. GNOME News could also pull in content from GNOME Journal and gnome.org, creating a single place for news. *** Wogue *** It's great to see a new volunteer-run effort, and I certainly wouldn't want to compete with it. We could leave Wogue to take care of the news problem for us, but I suspect that it is targeting a slightly different audience from the one that we are interested in, and that there is space for us to have our own site too. We should certainly work to ensure that our efforts don't overlap with Wogue's as it develops. So, which of these options do people prefer? I'd really like to hear your views on this! Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Developing GNOME News
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:25:31PM +0100, Allan Day wrote: *** Use news.gnome.org *** This only carries syndicated content right now. We could turn it into a site that pushes stories from elsewhere and has its own original content, however (like LWN does). This approach appeals to me because it would mean that we would have a single place for both kinds of content. GNOME News could also pull in content from GNOME Journal and gnome.org, creating a single place for news. What happens to the existing content? -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Developing GNOME News
I feel like having a base page, where we can update frequently w/ stuff as it occurs - ie a news site, is definetly important. I also feel like having a link to the dedicated GNOME Journal would be a good thing, and that everytime GJ updates a notice can/should be posted on the 'news' site so people are aware when that occurs. Why not use news.gnome.org for news and journal.gnome.org for the Journal, w/ a monthly (or at least bi-monthly) release cycle for the Journal? On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:25:31PM +0100, Allan Day wrote: *** Use news.gnome.org *** This only carries syndicated content right now. We could turn it into a site that pushes stories from elsewhere and has its own original content, however (like LWN does). This approach appeals to me because it would mean that we would have a single place for both kinds of content. GNOME News could also pull in content from GNOME Journal and gnome.org, creating a single place for news. What happens to the existing content? -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Developing GNOME News
Hello Allan, I think that gnome.org consistency is a bit broken on several areas, for example on gnome.org we have latest news that are totally different from latest news on news.gnome.org. I don't think that the news should be on a sub-domain, news is a core module of Gnome Page and should always be present on the Home Page and on main domain also. On WoGue I build home page using widgets (some similar to windows 8) that represents sections of our site, eg News, Games, Successfully Stories etc.. Widget's style-sheet is defined from last update date, I keep them small (so I can use a lot on home page without making seem heavy) and I display last news on a single line, I expand them on mouse event, and I give two options: Read a specific Item, or Visit the whole section that this item exists. I think that the result I have accomplish is pretty (even if I don't know Gimp :) ) quick and practical. Well my opinion is that on gnome home page, you have to offer easy and quick access to everything, and widget blocks is a nice solution to keep things simple and minimalist. We can display official gnome news on one of our widgets using RSS, Ajax or something. Our material exceeds Gnome and we get things that Gnome Page can't present like Themes (http://art.gnome.org/themes page is dead?) Games and Interviews. We are planning services for Thumps up/Down, Sorting by criteria on Games and Themes (and maybe extensions and Gnome Apps when they get online) but our main purpose is to present future Ideas on Gnome. and let people that read us, to Thumps them up if they like them. I guess there is space on WoGue as we cannot present actually Gnome news, because we don't know them, we learn them from you :) We would be more than happy if we could merge in a way of covering different aspects for Gnome Regards, - alex On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, My action item from last week's meeting was to mail the list about options for our news sites. So here we go! The question is how we should develop GNOME's news sites and what role GNOME Journal should have. A number of goals were brought up in our discussion last week, including: * Doing a better job of getting the news out * Enabling people to contribute to GNOME marketing more easily * Reducing fragmentation of our news sources I'm personally keen to address these issues and could use some of my time working on them. It seems like there are a few possible approaches: *** Turn GNOME Journal into a blog *** I spoke to the previous journal editors about publishing more regularly and they weren't too keen. The future for GNOME Journal seems uncertain right now, since it lacks contributors. *** Make gnome.org the primary site for GNOME news *** We already have a news feed on the site and this could be expanded to include a greater variety of content. I think the question here is whether we want to expand the role of gnome.org away from 'official' announcements and news. My sense is that we don't, but I would be interested to hear other peoples' views on this. *** Use news.gnome.org *** This only carries syndicated content right now. We could turn it into a site that pushes stories from elsewhere and has its own original content, however (like LWN does). This approach appeals to me because it would mean that we would have a single place for both kinds of content. GNOME News could also pull in content from GNOME Journal and gnome.org, creating a single place for news. *** Wogue *** It's great to see a new volunteer-run effort, and I certainly wouldn't want to compete with it. We could leave Wogue to take care of the news problem for us, but I suspect that it is targeting a slightly different audience from the one that we are interested in, and that there is space for us to have our own site too. We should certainly work to ensure that our efforts don't overlap with Wogue's as it develops. So, which of these options do people prefer? I'd really like to hear your views on this! Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Developing GNOME News
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:25:31PM +0100, Allan Day wrote: *** Use news.gnome.org *** This only carries syndicated content right now. We could turn it into a site that pushes stories from elsewhere and has its own original content, however (like LWN does). This approach appeals to me because it would mean that we would have a single place for both kinds of content. GNOME News could also pull in content from GNOME Journal and gnome.org, creating a single place for news. What happens to the existing content? I would hope to include a lot of it in the new site. Whether we do that through automatic syndication or by cherry picking from the current feeds is something that we can discuss. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Developing GNOME News
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Emily emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: I feel like having a base page, where we can update frequently w/ stuff as it occurs - ie a news site, is definetly important. I also feel like having a link to the dedicated GNOME Journal would be a good thing, and that everytime GJ updates a notice can/should be posted on the 'news' site so people are aware when that occurs. Why not use news.gnome.org for news and journal.gnome.org for the Journal, w/ a monthly (or at least bi-monthly) release cycle for the Journal? That's definitely something we could do. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Developing GNOME News
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:00 PM, alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Allan, I think that gnome.org consistency is a bit broken on several areas, for example on gnome.org we have latest news that are totally different from latest news on news.gnome.org. I agree. We could maybe syndicate the content from gnome.org on news.gnome.org. I don't think that the news should be on a sub-domain, news is a core module of Gnome Page and should always be present on the Home Page and on main domain also. On WoGue I build home page using widgets (some similar to windows 8) that represents sections of our site, eg News, Games, Successfully Stories etc.. Widget's style-sheet is defined from last update date, I keep them small (so I can use a lot on home page without making seem heavy) and I display last news on a single line, I expand them on mouse event, and I give two options: Read a specific Item, or Visit the whole section that this item exists. I think that the result I have accomplish is pretty (even if I don't know Gimp :) ) quick and practical. Well my opinion is that on gnome home page, you have to offer easy and quick access to everything, and widget blocks is a nice solution to keep things simple and minimalist. We can display official gnome news on one of our widgets using RSS, Ajax or something. Our material exceeds Gnome and we get things that Gnome Page can't present like Themes (http://art.gnome.org/themes page is dead?) Games and Interviews. We are planning services for Thumps up/Down, Sorting by criteria on Games and Themes (and maybe extensions and Gnome Apps when they get online) but our main purpose is to present future Ideas on Gnome. and let people that read us, to Thumps them up if they like them. I guess there is space on WoGue as we cannot present actually Gnome news, because we don't know them, we learn them from you :) We would be more than happy if we could merge in a way of covering different aspects for Gnome Regards, - alex Yes I definitely think that we can organise ourselves in a complementary fashion. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
