Re: Rescheduled: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-15 Thread Stormy Peters
And I reminder to everyone (especially US folks who just went through
daylight savings) to double check what time UTC time is in local time.

Stormy

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote:

 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote:

 In order to better get the participation of our European members, new
 times have been proposed next week instead of this week. The previous Doodle
 is cancelled.

 Please fill out your available times in the Doodle link, below:
 http://www.doodle.com/mqa2zx7dmxdavx9b

 Meeting will be on #marketing. Agenda is the same as in the
 previous announcement.


 A few people haven't replied but baring any radical changes, the meeting
 will be Tuesday, March 16, 2010 at 13:00:00 UTC.



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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
I don't know about you guys, but I'm still not clear what came out of the UX
hackfest.  Which would automatically make me agree with the below.
 Furthermore, I don't understand how within the 6 month time period that you
will have all the user testing, addressing regression (gnome shell for
instance has no applets, I consider that a regression regardless of whether
it is a good thing or not and finally documentation.

I'm in India this week attending my grandfather's funeral, I would like to
attend at whatever time you set.. you don't need to accommodate me.

sri


On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote:

 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason D. Clinton 
 m...@jasonclinton.comwrote:

 Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing.


 In order to facilitate the meeting going quickly and with a minimal amount
 of straying off-topic, I would like to hear on this list in advance if there
 is anyone whom disagrees with the following premise or whom feels that it
 needs slight modification:

 From a marketing perspective we, publicly, cannot promise anything as
 radically disruptive as proposed by the UX Hackfest brainstorming sessions
 for delivery *after* Gnome 3.0 (whenever that release may be.) Such a
 strategy would have the following outcomes:


1. It would make our desktop look like 3.0 is half-baked
2. It would make us look like we're experimenting on our user base
3. It would make our desktop environment look unstable

 On the other hand, should such changes happen organically--that is, not
 part of a narrative about what Gnome 3 is--then so be it.


 Please make your feelings known if you disagree in advance of the meeting
 so that we all start from the same frame of reference.


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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Mittwoch, den 10.03.2010, 00:15 -0800 schrieb Sriram Ramkrishna:
 I don't know about you guys, but I'm still not clear what came out of
 the UX hackfest.

On a related note, I assume that hackfest output is quite unrelated to
GNOME 3, as most changes will be too late for GNOME 3, but such a
message wasn't communicated.

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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Jason D. Clinton

 Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. Here is a Doodle link. Please
 select a time:
 http://www.doodle.com/fau28xapd3qwr6ry


Please reply to the Doodle by two hours from now. It's looking like
Wednesday (tomorrow) is leading.
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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Shane Fagan
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 09:55 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
 Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. Here is a Doodle
 link. Please select a time:
 http://www.doodle.com/fau28xapd3qwr6ry
 
 
 Please reply to the Doodle by two hours from now. It's looking like
 Wednesday (tomorrow) is leading. 
 
So its looking like 2-4 am my time which is European timeThat is a
tad prohibitive.  

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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Shane Fagan wrote:
 So its looking like 2-4 am my time which is European timeThat is a
 tad prohibitive.  

Similarly none of the proposed times are possible for me.

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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Stormy Peters
Hi Jason,

I know you said you put in all possible times but they are essentially the
same times every day. Maybe you could also try very early morning or night
to try to accommodate more people?

Stormy

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Hi,


Shane Fagan wrote:
 So its looking like 2-4 am my time which is European timeThat is a
 tad p...
Similarly none of the proposed times are possible for me.

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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Jason D. Clinton
No, I'm sorry but I cannot get up any earlier. I had surgery Friday and my
sleep schedule is attuned to my specific pain killer dosage frequency and
wound redressing requirements. I have to go home from work during my lunch
break and redress. So, the sleep/work portion of my life is fixed in place
this week.

Dave and Shawn, if you feel that it is important enough that we wait so that
everyone can make it, I would be willing to move the meeting back to next
week when I can be more flexible and propose morning times.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote:

 Hi Jason,

 I know you said you put in all possible times but they are essentially the
 same times every day. Maybe you could also try very early morning or night
 to try to accommodate more people?

 Stormy

 On Mar 9, 2010 9:12 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote:

 Hi,


 Shane Fagan wrote:
  So its looking like 2-4 am my time which is European timeThat is a
  tad p...

 Similarly none of the proposed times are possible for me.

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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Jason D. Clinton
Erm, sorry, I meant Shane instead of Shawn.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote:

 No, I'm sorry but I cannot get up any earlier. I had surgery Friday and my
 sleep schedule is attuned to my specific pain killer dosage frequency and
 wound redressing requirements. I have to go home from work during my lunch
 break and redress. So, the sleep/work portion of my life is fixed in place
 this week.

 Dave and Shawn, if you feel that it is important enough that we wait so
 that everyone can make it, I would be willing to move the meeting back to
 next week when I can be more flexible and propose morning times.

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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Jason D. Clinton
Never-mind, Dave and Shane, I shouldn't ask you ask us for that. Forgive me,
the Vicodin is impairing my better judgement. I'll send another Doodle for
the meeting which will now be next week.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote:

 No, I'm sorry but I cannot get up any earlier. I had surgery Friday and my
 sleep schedule is attuned to my specific pain killer dosage frequency and
 wound redressing requirements. I have to go home from work during my lunch
 break and redress. So, the sleep/work portion of my life is fixed in place
 this week.

 Dave and Shawn, if you feel that it is important enough that we wait so
 that everyone can make it, I would be willing to move the meeting back to
 next week when I can be more flexible and propose morning times.

 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote:

 Hi Jason,

 I know you said you put in all possible times but they are essentially the
 same times every day. Maybe you could also try very early morning or night
 to try to accommodate more people?

 Stormy

 On Mar 9, 2010 9:12 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote:

 Hi,


 Shane Fagan wrote:
  So its looking like 2-4 am my time which is European timeThat is a
  tad p...

 Similarly none of the proposed times are possible for me.

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Rescheduled: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-09 Thread Jason D. Clinton
In order to better get the participation of our European members, new times
have been proposed next week instead of this week. The previous Doodle is
cancelled.

Please fill out your available times in the Doodle link, below:
http://www.doodle.com/mqa2zx7dmxdavx9b

Meeting will be on #marketing. Agenda is the same as in the
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Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-08 Thread Jason D. Clinton
Due to the complete derailment of the thread in which I posted my concerns
about the marketing effort going off the rails due to the radical
redefinition of what Gnome 3 is at the UX Hackfest, I believe that we need
to meet to discuss some strategy by which we can put the marketing train
back on-track and find a definition of what--exactly--Gnome 3 is. Two
options are:

   1. start a thread on d-d-l where Lefty and RMS aren't present and
   explictly ask that only developers participate
   2. run a poll using the polling software from which we would
   get consensus and then articulate what we find back to the larger Gnome
   community (definition by mob)

Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing. Here is a Doodle link. Please
select a time:
http://www.doodle.com/fau28xapd3qwr6ry
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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-08 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote:

 Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing.


In order to facilitate the meeting going quickly and with a minimal amount
of straying off-topic, I would like to hear on this list in advance if there
is anyone whom disagrees with the following premise or whom feels that it
needs slight modification:

From a marketing perspective we, publicly, cannot promise anything as
radically disruptive as proposed by the UX Hackfest brainstorming sessions
for delivery *after* Gnome 3.0 (whenever that release may be.) Such a
strategy would have the following outcomes:


   1. It would make our desktop look like 3.0 is half-baked
   2. It would make us look like we're experimenting on our user base
   3. It would make our desktop environment look unstable

On the other hand, should such changes happen organically--that is, not part
of a narrative about what Gnome 3 is--then so be it.


Please make your feelings known if you disagree in advance of the meeting so
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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-08 Thread Paul Cutler
On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 10:58 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason D. Clinton
 m...@jasonclinton.com wrote:
 Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing.
 
 In order to facilitate the meeting going quickly and with a minimal
 amount of straying off-topic, I would like to hear on this list in
 advance if there is anyone whom disagrees with the following premise
 or whom feels that it needs slight modification:
 
 
 From a marketing perspective we, publicly, cannot promise
 anything as radically disruptive as proposed by the UX
 Hackfest brainstorming sessions for delivery *after* Gnome 3.0
 (whenever that release may be.) Such a strategy would have the
 following outcomes:
  1. It would make our desktop look like 3.0 is half-baked
  2. It would make us look like we're experimenting on our
 user base
  3. It would make our desktop environment look unstable
 On the other hand, should such changes happen
 organically--that is, not part of a narrative about what Gnome
 3 is--then so be it.
 
 
 Please make your feelings known if you disagree in advance of the
 meeting so that we all start from the same frame of reference.
 
 

Jason, I do share your concerns.

Have you (or anyone else) reached out to the GNOME Shell team to discuss
a possible roadmap?

I'm also concerned as the GNOME Activity Journal has not been proposed
as a module yet.

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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-08 Thread Jason D. Clinton
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote:

 Have you (or anyone else) reached out to the GNOME Shell team to discuss
 a possible roadmap?


Yes, I asked Jon McCann, whom was at the UX Hackfest, to join this list and
he said that he was already planning to post a blog post defining what is
possible last Wednesday. That hasn't happened yet.


 I'm also concerned as the GNOME Activity Journal has not been proposed
 as a module yet.


  I too am concerned about this. This is one of the many reasons that it may
be acceptable to think of Gnome 3.0 as Gnome 2.34 or 2.36.
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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-08 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Montag, den 08.03.2010, 11:14 -0600 schrieb Paul Cutler:
 I'm also concerned as the GNOME Activity Journal has not been proposed
 as a module yet.

According to Seif today a proposal for GNOME 3 is planned.
Writing this here to avoid creation of potential rumours, based on valid
concerns raised here.

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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-08 Thread Shane Fagan
Hi,
The times you picked are very bad times for Europe except the Saturday
and Sunday. 

Shane

On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 10:58 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason D. Clinton
 m...@jasonclinton.com wrote:
 Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing.
 
 In order to facilitate the meeting going quickly and with a minimal
 amount of straying off-topic, I would like to hear on this list in
 advance if there is anyone whom disagrees with the following premise
 or whom feels that it needs slight modification:
 
 
 From a marketing perspective we, publicly, cannot promise
 anything as radically disruptive as proposed by the UX
 Hackfest brainstorming sessions for delivery *after* Gnome 3.0
 (whenever that release may be.) Such a strategy would have the
 following outcomes:
  1. It would make our desktop look like 3.0 is half-baked
  2. It would make us look like we're experimenting on our
 user base
  3. It would make our desktop environment look unstable
 On the other hand, should such changes happen
 organically--that is, not part of a narrative about what Gnome
 3 is--then so be it.
 
 
 Please make your feelings known if you disagree in advance of the
 meeting so that we all start from the same frame of reference.
 
 


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Re: Emergency marketing team meeting

2010-03-08 Thread Jason D. Clinton
I listed all of the times for an entire week which work for me. Literally
all of them. There isn't a spare moment that I have that I did not offer as
an option.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Shane Fagan
shanepatrickfa...@ubuntu.comwrote:

 Hi,
 The times you picked are very bad times for Europe except the Saturday
 and Sunday.

 Shane

 On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 10:58 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
  On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jason D. Clinton
  m...@jasonclinton.com wrote:
  Let's meet to discuss candidly on #marketing.
 
  In order to facilitate the meeting going quickly and with a minimal
  amount of straying off-topic, I would like to hear on this list in
  advance if there is anyone whom disagrees with the following premise
  or whom feels that it needs slight modification:
 
 
  From a marketing perspective we, publicly, cannot promise
  anything as radically disruptive as proposed by the UX
  Hackfest brainstorming sessions for delivery *after* Gnome 3.0
  (whenever that release may be.) Such a strategy would have the
  following outcomes:
   1. It would make our desktop look like 3.0 is half-baked
   2. It would make us look like we're experimenting on our
  user base
   3. It would make our desktop environment look unstable
  On the other hand, should such changes happen
  organically--that is, not part of a narrative about what Gnome
  3 is--then so be it.
 
 
  Please make your feelings known if you disagree in advance of the
  meeting so that we all start from the same frame of reference.
 
 



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Feb. Marketing Team Meeting

2010-01-22 Thread Paul Cutler
Hi Marketing Team!

It's time to start thinking about what time and day work best for our
Feb. team meeting.  I've put up a new Doodle poll (and this time I've
double checked that time zone support is working!).

Please vote for times that work best for you and a I'll close the poll a
week or so before the meeting to give plenty of time for communication.

http://www.doodle.com/m38u9zmm6n3gk2e4


Thanks.


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GNOME Marketing Team Meeting Today

2010-01-14 Thread Paul Cutler
The GNOME Marketing Team meeting is today!  I double checked the time zones,
and the meeting is at 22:00 GMT / 17:00 US EST.  (Sorry about any confusion
on the time zones).

The agenda is here:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingTeamMeetings/14JAN2010Meeting

We will meet in #marketing on GIMPNet IRC.

See you there!

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Re: GNOME Marketing Team Meeting Today

2010-01-14 Thread Dave Neary
Hi Paul,

Paul Cutler wrote:
 The GNOME Marketing Team meeting is today!  I double checked the time
 zones, and the meeting is at 22:00 GMT / 17:00 US EST.  (Sorry about any
 confusion on the time zones).
 
 The agenda is here:
  http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingTeamMeetings/14JAN2010Meeting
 
 We will meet in #marketing on GIMPNet IRC.

Why hold meetings at 23:00 CET and thus (pretty much) exclude European
participation?

I can understand that perhaps the marketing team is US-centric nowadays,
but the meeting time isn't going to do anything to change that situation.

I'm afraid I won't be able to attend at that stage - I'm up early on
Friday  need my beauty sleep.

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Re: GNOME Marketing Team Meeting Today

2010-01-14 Thread Paul Cutler
Hi Dave,

On 01/14/2010 10:07 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
 Hi Paul,
 
 Paul Cutler wrote:
 The GNOME Marketing Team meeting is today!  I double checked the time
 zones, and the meeting is at 22:00 GMT / 17:00 US EST.  (Sorry about any
 confusion on the time zones).

 The agenda is here:
  http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingTeamMeetings/14JAN2010Meeting

 We will meet in #marketing on GIMPNet IRC.
 
 Why hold meetings at 23:00 CET and thus (pretty much) exclude European
 participation?
 
 I can understand that perhaps the marketing team is US-centric nowadays,
 but the meeting time isn't going to do anything to change that situation.
 
 I'm afraid I won't be able to attend at that stage - I'm up early on
 Friday  need my beauty sleep.
 
 Cheers,
 Dave.
 

Dave - I sent out a Doodle link a week or two ago that had meeting times
ranging over a 12 hour period over two weeks for potential meeting
times.  Out of the people who responded to the Doodle link, this was the
time that worked best according to the survey.

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Re: GNOME Marketing Team Meeting Today

2010-01-14 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Paul Cutler wrote:
 Dave - I sent out a Doodle link a week or two ago that had meeting times
 ranging over a 12 hour period over two weeks for potential meeting
 times.  Out of the people who responded to the Doodle link, this was the
 time that worked best according to the survey.

I did see that, but didn't see (in the doodle) a timezone. I see you
followed up with a mail saying that these times were UTC-6 (presumably,
your timezone? ;))

I didn't reply because, to be honest, I am at this stage an opportunist
member of the team - when I have time, I pick a task (like loading
contacts into the CRM) and have at it for an hour or two. I didn't know
how much time I'd have this week, and I didn't want to become a blockage
against having the meeting at a time that suited almost everyone else.

Perhaps there are other opportunist attendees? People who don't feel
prominent enough to manifest themselves  vote for a time, but who might
attend the meeting if it were at a convenient time for them? I notice
that 4 of the 6 voters are based in the US - and Valessio  Andreas
apparently would have no trouble having the meeting at 3am local time
for him (suggesting perhaps timezone issues there too?).

In any case, I just wanted to point out what time it would be in my
timezone when the meeting is on - but since I didn't vote, you're
correct to say that I don't get much of a say. Might I suggest using UTC
as the reference timezone next time, though, please?

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Re: GNOME Marketing Team Meeting Today

2010-01-14 Thread Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:
 Am Donnerstag, den 14.01.2010, 17:33 +0100 schrieb Dave Neary:
 I did see that, but didn't see (in the doodle) a timezone. I see you
 followed up with a mail saying that these times were UTC-6 (presumably,
 your timezone? ;))

 Doodle supports timezones - could be used next time to avoid confusion.

If we can get to regular dates, one thing to do might be to alternate
time zones. With openSUSE we've done meetings at 12:00 and 16:00 UTC
pretty regularly. Those times still aren't optimal for participants
outside Europe and the Americas but most of our participants are in
one or the other.

Long-term, what tools (aside from the mailing list) can we use for
more efficient collaboration? The more we can do that doesn't require
real-time meetings, the better. (We should have occasional real-time
meetings, but the times will never work for everyone.)

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Re: GNOME Marketing Team Meeting Today

2010-01-14 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:
 Long-term, what tools (aside from the mailing list) can we use for
 more efficient collaboration? The more we can do that doesn't require
 real-time meetings, the better. (We should have occasional real-time
 meetings, but the times will never work for everyone.)

I've been thinking of what kind of organisations need communication like
ours. The best I can come up with is globally distributed armed guerilla
groups.

Bear with me for a sec.

Typically, there are 3 key problems that guerilla groups have:
1. Local recruitment
2. Global co-operation and co-ordination
3. Local independent action

Local groups leverage globally visible events, both good (we struck an
important blow for the cause)  bad (the bad guys are conspiring against
us) to recruit new members into local chapters. Some of these members
get sent to different local chapters or to corporate based on their
skillset, others stay local.

Global groups co-ordinate the local groups from time to time, ask for
manpower for certain operations, but basically set a strategic direction
and are happy to recruit the jihadists who show the most potential in
the local organisations for further training  higher goals.

And local groups are happy to have general direction set via regularly
communicated messages, while maintaining total independence to grow,
recruit  act locally.

Every now  then, new local groups arise from nothing, and get co-opted
into the global infrastructure through a network built on personal
connections and confidence.

Doesn't that sound like us?

Anyway - just brainstorming on what kinds of structures have our
problems, and how they've addressed them, to see if there's anything we
can learn. This thought is still quite vague, not sure how valuable it
is yet... let's see where the idea goes.

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Re: Marketing Team Meeting - Jan 14th, 22:00 UTC

2010-01-11 Thread Paul Cutler
I've added a page to the wiki for the agenda[1].  This just a first draft -
please add any topics you would like to discuss at the meeting later this
week.

Thanks!

Paul

[1]
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingTeamMeetings/14JAN2010Meeting

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Paul Cutler pcut...@gnome.org wrote:

 Thanks to everyone who used the Doodle link to vote for what time worked
 best for the January Marketing team meeting.

 The time that worked best for the majority of the group is this Thursday,
 January 14th, at 20:00 UTC / 17:00 EST.

 We'll meet in #marketing on GIMPNet IRC.  I will work on an agenda over the
 next day or two, and please replay to this email if you have agenda topics.

 Thanks!

 Paul

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Marketing team meeting

2009-12-02 Thread Paul Cutler
A couple weeks ago we talked about having a marketing team meeting in IRC.

I've used Doodle to create a poll on potential dates and times.  Please
visit the following link to vote for a time and date that works best for
you: http://www.doodle.com/yg8wskgcb4ekgsqm

You will need to create an account on Doodle to vote in the poll.  The
Bugsquad team has used Doodle with great success.

Hopefully we'll have enough votes by the weekend to pick a date and time
that works for the majority.  (Timezones are tricky!)

If anyone has suggestions for a different date or time, please let me know
as well.

Thanks!

Paul
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Re: Marketing team meeting

2009-12-02 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Mittwoch, den 02.12.2009, 09:26 -0600 schrieb Paul Cutler:
 You will need to create an account on Doodle to vote in the poll.

No, you don't need an account.

andre

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