Re: review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
Hi Dave, Sorry I missed your question. I don't always monitor my mailing lists regularly these days. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Juanjo Marin juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/developing-world-list developing-world-l...@gnome.org But it's a not very active I'm afraid Juanjo is right about it not being very active but it would be great if you would join us anyway. It's a new a community with a bit of a lack of focus right now but these things take time to develop. Cheers, Ben -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 11:50 +, Dave Neary wrote: Hi Ben, On 11/16/2010 10:07 AM, Ben Konrath wrote: I've been working with Joshua Joseph Garcìa who contacted me on the gnome developing world list. He came up with a really cool first page and I added links to the files to the wiki. Thanks for the feedback. Which list? Sounds interesting! http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/developing-world-list developing-world-l...@gnome.org But it's a not very active I'm afraid -- Juanjo -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
Hi, Sorry, I gave you some incorrect links to the new files. Here are the correct ones: PDFs: http://bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-brochure-v5.pdf http://bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-brochure-with-fold-marks-v5.pdf Inkscape 0.48 SVGs: http://bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-brochure-with-fold-marks-p1.svg http://bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-brochure-with-fold-marks-p2.svg Cheers, Ben On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Ben Konrath b...@bagu.org wrote: Hi, On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Frederic Muller fr...@gnome.org wrote: Sorry for the late feedback. I do have a few comments: 1. The green background is quite blurry giving a potential sub-par impression on the display quality of the GNOME desktop. Maybe a plain color or gradient background would fix this. I agree. I've replaced the screenshot in the new version. 2. Remaining typo in mobile phones section, 2nd sentence: you get get the... Thanks, it's fixed. 3. Accessibility: I would try to rephrase the paragraph without the word 'disabilities' and emphasizing on 'unconditional access' or 'access for everyone'. I am not a native speaker, but if needed, can give it a try. I agree. I've re-worded it to this: The GNOME desktop includes applications that allow everybody to use a computer regardless of physical or mental ability. From a screen reader for people with visual impairment to specialized applications for people who can't use regular mice and keyboards. 4. No Serial Numbers: having lived in the developing world for the past 15 years, serial numbers are never an issue: they actually come on the CD with the pirated copy of whatever proprietary software you decide to use. Maybe replacing that section with all the productivity, graphic/artistic, fun/games, and web applications available for GNOME might make the space usage more compelling. Then again it might depend on the audience but from my experience I've never met any developing world government who was concerned about internal piracy (ymmv). Yeah, I have seen serial numbers on the CDs when doing ICT support work rural Uganda. But they don't always work and when that happens it a pain to track a new one down. I'm also trying to say some about the annoying 'please validate your OS' messages that keep popping up if you don't have a legitimate version of windows. As a side note, perhaps you'd be interested in joining us on the GNOME developing world list: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/developing-world-list I'm sure you would have comments to add to our discussions. 5. Joining GNOME: I would probably add something more dynamic like mentioning that it's fun, you make lots of friends and Yeah, I agree fun and friends are good things. I tweaked the wording a bit in this section. you get to learn of a lot of (new) stuff which could get you a job. I made this brochure for some outreach marketing activities in sub-Saharan Africa. I don't think it's realistic to say that learning how to use or program GNOME might lead to employment. At least not in this region and not at this time. 6. joining GNOME user groups: unfortunately there are a lot more LUGs than GNOME user group and only recommending to visit GUG limits the possibilities for our target audience. I'd mention any Free Software group such a *nix UG, Free Software groups and others (including GUGs) as they will encounter the GNOME experience in any of those. This is good suggestion but right now I want this brochure to be about GNOME. 7. You might mention somewhere in the bottom made with GNOME? I made the brochure with Inkscape but I don't think it's part of GNOME. The first page says that I'm using GNOME icons and graphics from openclipart.org. 8. It'd be nice to have a native speaker reduce word repetitions and help produce a better phrased document. (9.) As a side note I don't think Linux is the best platform for multimedia playback or encoding (not something I'd put forward anyway) but I suppose we can allow ourselves to embellish the reality... I don't agree with this point. Every platform has pluses and minuses but I think GNOME has pretty good multimedia support. Ok, now for the updated files: PDFs: http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-brochure-with-fold-marks-v5.pdf http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-brochure-v5.pdf Inkscape 0.48 SVGs: http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-flyer-p1-with-fold-marks.svg http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-flyer-p2-with-fold-marks.svg Thanks for your extensive review. Cheers, Ben -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
Hi, On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Frederic Muller fr...@gnome.org wrote: Sorry for the late feedback. I do have a few comments: 1. The green background is quite blurry giving a potential sub-par impression on the display quality of the GNOME desktop. Maybe a plain color or gradient background would fix this. I agree. I've replaced the screenshot in the new version. 2. Remaining typo in mobile phones section, 2nd sentence: you get get the... Thanks, it's fixed. 3. Accessibility: I would try to rephrase the paragraph without the word 'disabilities' and emphasizing on 'unconditional access' or 'access for everyone'. I am not a native speaker, but if needed, can give it a try. I agree. I've re-worded it to this: The GNOME desktop includes applications that allow everybody to use a computer regardless of physical or mental ability. From a screen reader for people with visual impairment to specialized applications for people who can't use regular mice and keyboards. 4. No Serial Numbers: having lived in the developing world for the past 15 years, serial numbers are never an issue: they actually come on the CD with the pirated copy of whatever proprietary software you decide to use. Maybe replacing that section with all the productivity, graphic/artistic, fun/games, and web applications available for GNOME might make the space usage more compelling. Then again it might depend on the audience but from my experience I've never met any developing world government who was concerned about internal piracy (ymmv). Yeah, I have seen serial numbers on the CDs when doing ICT support work rural Uganda. But they don't always work and when that happens it a pain to track a new one down. I'm also trying to say some about the annoying 'please validate your OS' messages that keep popping up if you don't have a legitimate version of windows. As a side note, perhaps you'd be interested in joining us on the GNOME developing world list: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/developing-world-list I'm sure you would have comments to add to our discussions. 5. Joining GNOME: I would probably add something more dynamic like mentioning that it's fun, you make lots of friends and Yeah, I agree fun and friends are good things. I tweaked the wording a bit in this section. you get to learn of a lot of (new) stuff which could get you a job. I made this brochure for some outreach marketing activities in sub-Saharan Africa. I don't think it's realistic to say that learning how to use or program GNOME might lead to employment. At least not in this region and not at this time. 6. joining GNOME user groups: unfortunately there are a lot more LUGs than GNOME user group and only recommending to visit GUG limits the possibilities for our target audience. I'd mention any Free Software group such a *nix UG, Free Software groups and others (including GUGs) as they will encounter the GNOME experience in any of those. This is good suggestion but right now I want this brochure to be about GNOME. 7. You might mention somewhere in the bottom made with GNOME? I made the brochure with Inkscape but I don't think it's part of GNOME. The first page says that I'm using GNOME icons and graphics from openclipart.org. 8. It'd be nice to have a native speaker reduce word repetitions and help produce a better phrased document. (9.) As a side note I don't think Linux is the best platform for multimedia playback or encoding (not something I'd put forward anyway) but I suppose we can allow ourselves to embellish the reality... I don't agree with this point. Every platform has pluses and minuses but I think GNOME has pretty good multimedia support. Ok, now for the updated files: PDFs: http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-brochure-with-fold-marks-v5.pdf http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-brochure-v5.pdf Inkscape 0.48 SVGs: http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-flyer-p1-with-fold-marks.svg http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-flyer-p2-with-fold-marks.svg Thanks for your extensive review. Cheers, Ben -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
Hi Stormy, On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: Hi Ben, That looks awesome! Thanks for the good work. Please be sure to put it on the wiki: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingMaterial/Resources I've been working with Joshua Joseph Garcìa who contacted me on the gnome developing world list. He came up with a really cool first page and I added links to the files to the wiki. Thanks for the feedback. Ben -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
Hi Andreas, On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.se wrote: That looks really great, excellent work! I would advice to export the icons as bitmaps and then add them to the document as such, that way you can be sure that they render correctly. Make sure to embed them rather than link them though. Another way is to try and use simpler icons. I found out that the rendering problems come from a bug in evince / poppler. The files render properly in acroread so I've decided to keep them as SVG. I would like the highest quality I can get for printing. The updated files are linked on the gnome marketing wiki but I'll list them here too. PDFs: http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-brochure-with-fold-marks-v4.pdf http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-brochure-v4.pdf Inkscape SVGs: http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-flyer-p1-with-fold-marks.svg http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-flyer-p2-with-fold-marks.svg The PDF with fold marks should be used if you're folding the brochure by hand. The PDF without the fold marks should be used if you're using a printer or folding machine to automatically fold the brochure. The SVG files have the fold marks included but the marks should be removed when generating PDFs for use with automatic folding machines. Cheers, Ben -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
On 11/16/2010 06:15 PM, Ben Konrath wrote: Hi Andreas, On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Andreas Nilssonnisses.m...@home.se wrote: That looks really great, excellent work! I would advice to export the icons as bitmaps and then add them to the document as such, that way you can be sure that they render correctly. Make sure to embed them rather than link them though. Another way is to try and use simpler icons. I found out that the rendering problems come from a bug in evince / poppler. The files render properly in acroread so I've decided to keep them as SVG. I would like the highest quality I can get for printing. The updated files are linked on the gnome marketing wiki but I'll list them here too. PDFs: http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-brochure-with-fold-marks-v4.pdf http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-brochure-v4.pdf Inkscape SVGs: http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-flyer-p1-with-fold-marks.svg http://www.bagu.org/gnome/gnome-dev-world-flyer-p2-with-fold-marks.svg The PDF with fold marks should be used if you're folding the brochure by hand. The PDF without the fold marks should be used if you're using a printer or folding machine to automatically fold the brochure. The SVG files have the fold marks included but the marks should be removed when generating PDFs for use with automatic folding machines. Cheers, Ben Hi! Sorry for the late feedback. I do have a few comments: 1. The green background is quite blurry giving a potential sub-par impression on the display quality of the GNOME desktop. Maybe a plain color or gradient background would fix this. 2. Remaining typo in mobile phones section, 2nd sentence: you get get the... 3. Accessibility: I would try to rephrase the paragraph without the word 'disabilities' and emphasizing on 'unconditional access' or 'access for everyone'. I am not a native speaker, but if needed, can give it a try. 4. No Serial Numbers: having lived in the developing world for the past 15 years, serial numbers are never an issue: they actually come on the CD with the pirated copy of whatever proprietary software you decide to use. Maybe replacing that section with all the productivity, graphic/artistic, fun/games, and web applications available for GNOME might make the space usage more compelling. Then again it might depend on the audience but from my experience I've never met any developing world government who was concerned about internal piracy (ymmv). 5. Joining GNOME: I would probably add something more dynamic like mentioning that it's fun, you make lots of friends and you get to learn of a lot of (new) stuff which could get you a job. Again not being a native speaker doesn't make me the ideal candidate to rewrite this section but let me know if you can't find anyone else. 6. joining GNOME user groups: unfortunately there are a lot more LUGs than GNOME user group and only recommending to visit GUG limits the possibilities for our target audience. I'd mention any Free Software group such a *nix UG, Free Software groups and others (including GUGs) as they will encounter the GNOME experience in any of those. 7. You might mention somewhere in the bottom made with GNOME? 8. It'd be nice to have a native speaker reduce word repetitions and help produce a better phrased document. (9.) As a side note I don't think Linux is the best platform for multimedia playback or encoding (not something I'd put forward anyway) but I suppose we can allow ourselves to embellish the reality... Of course you might not agree with everything I wrote... ;-) Let me know if I can do anything to help. Fred -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
Hi Ben, That looks awesome! Thanks for the good work. Please be sure to put it on the wiki: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingMaterial/Resources Stormy On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.sewrote: On 10/30/2010 06:27 AM, Ben Konrath wrote: http://bagu.org/scratch/GNOME-dev-world-flyer-v2.zip http://bagu.org/scratch/GNOME-dev-world-flyer-v2.pdf The icons are bit messed up in the pdf because the inkscape print to pdf doesn't seem to be able to handle gradients. I'll have to work around that some how. Hi Ben! That looks really great, excellent work! I would advice to export the icons as bitmaps and then add them to the document as such, that way you can be sure that they render correctly. Make sure to embed them rather than link them though. Another way is to try and use simpler icons. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
On Saturday 30 October 2010 12:27:24 Ben Konrath wrote: Hi Andre, On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Am Freitag, den 29.10.2010, 15:33 +0200 schrieb Ben Konrath: http://bagu.org/scratch/GNOME-dev-world-flyer.zip Small typo fixes: disablites misses two I and should be disabilities. distrobuitions should be distributions. evironment should be environment. Thanks! I made the corrections a re-posted the files: http://bagu.org/scratch/GNOME-dev-world-flyer-v2.zip http://bagu.org/scratch/GNOME-dev-world-flyer-v2.pdf Really awesome work. Be sure to put the sources on the wiki for translation! The icons are bit messed up in the pdf because the inkscape print to pdf doesn't seem to be able to handle gradients. I'll have to work around that some how. Thank, Ben signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
On 10/30/2010 06:27 AM, Ben Konrath wrote: http://bagu.org/scratch/GNOME-dev-world-flyer-v2.zip http://bagu.org/scratch/GNOME-dev-world-flyer-v2.pdf The icons are bit messed up in the pdf because the inkscape print to pdf doesn't seem to be able to handle gradients. I'll have to work around that some how. Hi Ben! That looks really great, excellent work! I would advice to export the icons as bitmaps and then add them to the document as such, that way you can be sure that they render correctly. Make sure to embed them rather than link them though. Another way is to try and use simpler icons. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
Hi Andre, On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Am Freitag, den 29.10.2010, 15:33 +0200 schrieb Ben Konrath: http://bagu.org/scratch/GNOME-dev-world-flyer.zip Small typo fixes: disablites misses two I and should be disabilities. distrobuitions should be distributions. evironment should be environment. Thanks! I made the corrections a re-posted the files: http://bagu.org/scratch/GNOME-dev-world-flyer-v2.zip http://bagu.org/scratch/GNOME-dev-world-flyer-v2.pdf The icons are bit messed up in the pdf because the inkscape print to pdf doesn't seem to be able to handle gradients. I'll have to work around that some how. Thank, Ben -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
Hello all, I spent some time today creating a marketing flyer to promote GNOME is less economically developed countries. This is something that I would have liked to have had when I was represting GNOME at Idlelo earlier this year in Ghana. http://bagu.org/scratch/GNOME-dev-world-flyer.zip I've used inkscape to do the layout. I guess it's not the best tool for this but I'm trying to learn how to use it better. I don't know how or if it's possible to embed a png image into the svg so you'll have to edit the properties of the png screen shot and point it to the right location on your computer. The target for the flyer is non-technical, new users from less economically developed countries who may or may not use Linux. I would apprciate some feedback on: layout, content and please check the text for spelling and grammar for errors. I'd like to send this to some FOSS user groups in Zambia next next week through a contact that works with them. If I could get some feedback by Wednesday November 3rd, that would be great. Thanks and happy Friday! Ben -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: review request: GNOME marketing flyer for new users in less economically developed countries.
Am Freitag, den 29.10.2010, 15:33 +0200 schrieb Ben Konrath: http://bagu.org/scratch/GNOME-dev-world-flyer.zip Small typo fixes: disablites misses two I and should be disabilities. distrobuitions should be distributions. evironment should be environment. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
