Re: GNOME weekly roundup (was Re: community managers)
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, November 14, 2012 7:58 am, alex diavatis wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:54 PM, alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, Why don't you try an YouTube channel. A weekly 5' show kinda like: I love the idea of maybe doing a weekly audio recording of this week in GNOME. I could potentially do this as an interview with a different key person each week, if it's not too long. Perhaps a half hour each time? I'm wary of video as I think that will take a lot of work... slightly off topic: The youtube channel idea seemed pretty good but it was hard to manage. Mostly because I had a hard time figuring out how to tag posts for GNOME. Maybe I'm missing something there. Design guys are always throwing up video on their thoughts. A missing opportunity IMHO. Do others think this is a good idea? Alex, would you want to help with it? It depends. I would set it up almost like an RSS feed postcast. That would make it more automatic and something people can subscribe to. sri karen This week in Gnome...[ie new features] We cannot support this because .. [ie theming API] In Gnome 3.. [discuss/explain some features and how to use desktop] In Gnome 3.. [tech news] It will take only two hours for each person to do this, and you can rotate This week, Allan, next week Seif, week after next Sri and so on. YouTube is by far the most popular media to promote a product, plus you will have a more personal connection with people. Oops that was going to previous thread [reddit IAMA GNOME developer/designer] sooorry :) - alex - alex On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Seif Lotfy s...@lotfy.com wrote: Hello, First I love the idea of a community team. KDE already has such a team with a good mission (http://ev.kde.org/workinggroups/cwg.php).I think studying their history and experience would be beneficial to the community team. After discussing this Lydia from KDE, it looks more like a Public Relations team more than a Community Management team. Both do have some common tasks. I think a Community team should encompass a PR team. Agreed. We have a problem communicating our vision internally and externally. Internally it seems like not all of us are on the same page, e.g: theming will damage our brand. Or systemd dependencies etc. Do all high profile GNOME contributors agree on this? Before communicating to the outside world that XYZ is a fact we need to at least agree on it internally. Taking the liberties with ones own modules without general consensus inside the community leads to friction and arguments. This is something that a community team should work on, make people inside the community get along, reduce friction. As a community team another mission would be working on communication between devs, on mailing lists and bugs. Damage caused by snarky, arrogant or dismissive remarks should be controlled and positive communication efforts have to promoted and praised. Just my 2 cents Cheers Seif On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, On 11/13/2012 06:53 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: As a project, we are having trouble communicating our vision because everything gets lost in a sea of vitriol due to past actions or perceived actions. For instance, removing fallback is seen as yet again the GNOME project is removing a feature instead of an act of maintenance and sustainability. I think that as a project, we have had trouble communicating our vision, because as a project we are not sure what it is. There is a part of the project that has a very clear idea of their vision, but that vision has either not been clearly expressed, or what has been expressed has not got clear support from the community of contributors in the project. For instance, the insistence that theming will damage our brand, or that Cinnamon is not GNOME 3, has led to missed opportunities for the GNOME project, and has not got grass roots support among the GNOME community (and I'm not talking about users here, I'm talking about contributors - developers, translators, user group co-ordinators, and marketers). After all, GNOME design doesn't have any authority but is able to convince maintainers that doing their approach is best for their application. I disagree with your analogy. I'm envisioning a team of 10 volunteers. 10 volunteers who start out as community managers and then hopefully will be interested in doing other things within the project. I currently have four as of right now. Need to recruit six more! Sounds like a plan, and we certainly need to do something to stop the rot. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com
Re: community managers
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: I think Dave's point was that we missed an opportunity to keep Cinnamon as GNOME 3 - because at one point it was GNOME 3.x with extensions piled on. They have since forked and are truly a separate Well, the thing is that GNOME 3 is considered the design and look of GNOME 3. It's the default package. You could argue that GNOME 3 + extensions changing the look is not GNOME 3 from a branding issue. Consider that Apple's look is very distinctive. You can look at a computer running OSX and know it is running OSX. In this case, Cinnamon is not GNOME 3 from that perspective. Now, it si GNOME 3 in that uses the GNOME 3 platform but it's not what its designers consider GNOME 3. Now I agree that it would be great to say Cinnamon is based on GNOME 3 as it shows what a flexible platform GNOME 3 is that it can be modified to be so distinctive. project now, but that wasn't always the case. If we had made it clear that they their users were still using GNOME 3, we might have been able to bring them into the larger GNOME tent and kept them from forking and going their separate way. Just because someone is using extensions doesn't mean they aren't using GNOME 3, any more than my use of HTTPS Everywhere, AdBlock Plus, etc in Firefox Chromium make them different browsers. We seem to be in a strange place where we are competing against our own software modified by others - Mate and Cinnamon both who have gotten marketshare. sri Emily On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:12 PM, William Jon McCann william.jon.mcc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dave, On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: I think that as a project, we have had trouble communicating our vision, because as a project we are not sure what it is. There is a part of the project that has a very clear idea of their vision, but that vision has either not been clearly expressed, or what has been expressed has not got clear support from the community of contributors in the project. For instance, the insistence that theming will damage our brand, or that Cinnamon is not GNOME 3, has led to missed opportunities for the GNOME project, and has not got grass roots support among the GNOME community (and I'm not talking about users here, I'm talking about contributors - developers, translators, user group co-ordinators, and marketers). Let's be clear then. Cinnamon is not GNOME 3. The discussion of brand was in relation to the stability of extensions and the impact on the user experience - and was taken out of context. Neither of these have led to missed opportunities. Continuing to misrepresent or misunderstand what we are trying to do and trying to say doesn't help us communicate our vision, does it? Jon -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Community Calendar
Seems like you can start here: https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests sri On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:54 PM, meg ford megf...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, We are doing a monthly GNOME hackfest series here in Chicago and I am wondering how we can add the events to the GNOME community calendar? Thanks! Meg Ford -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing meeting..
We should try to target a marketing call next week after the U.S. holidays. What's that scheduler thing that lets us figure out each other's free time? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing meeting..
Anybody else interested in joining? Please let me know by Sunday. Currently, the best time seems to be Tuesday, Nov 28th. It says 21:00, but I don't know which time zone that is. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, November 21, 2012 9:48 pm, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: We should try to target a marketing call next week after the U.S. holidays. What's that scheduler thing that lets us figure out each other's free time? yes! here's the link, a bunch of us have already filled in our availability. Times are in UTC, I just chose a range that's more likely to work, given the various time zones... https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/GNOMEmarketing/ karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing meeting..
-1 for reading comprehension on my part. :*( On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Tobias Mueller mue...@cryptobitch.dewrote: On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:39:48AM -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I don't know which time zone that is. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: availability. Times are in UTC, I just chose a range that's more likely to So it's UTC. Cheers, Tobi -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing meeting..
The confusion comes when you go into the website and the time are all evening my time. I was expecting a full range from 00:00 to 23:59. So when all I saw was 3pm - 9pm, I naturally assumed it was my local time converted. Hey they make smart software right? Maybe it was my own wishful thinking! sri On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.comwrote: Karen's email said UTC. On 11/23/2012 08:26 AM, Tammy Miller wrote: I assume the following link: https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/GNOMEmarketing/ is based on eastern standard time. Tammy -- From: s...@ramkrishna.me Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:39:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Marketing meeting.. To: ka...@gnome.org CC: marketing-list@gnome.org Anybody else interested in joining? Please let me know by Sunday. Currently, the best time seems to be Tuesday, Nov 28th. It says 21:00, but I don't know which time zone that is. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, November 21, 2012 9:48 pm, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: We should try to target a marketing call next week after the U.S. holidays. What's that scheduler thing that lets us figure out each other's free time? yes! here's the link, a bunch of us have already filled in our availability. Times are in UTC, I just chose a range that's more likely to work, given the various time zones... https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/GNOMEmarketing/ karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing meeting..
I would like any of the other volunteers for community organizer (or enthusiasts, whatever) to join as well. Brett and others, if you could. At the moment it looks like Tuesday or Wednesday. 21:00 UTC on Wedneday is what I think we should shoot for. sri On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: great! Why don't you fill in your availability at https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.**de/GNOMEmarketing/https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/GNOMEmarketing/ :) karen On 2012-11-24 10:44, Flavia Weisghizzi wrote: I'd like to partecipate too, if I'm allowed to :) Cheers Flavia Il 22/11/2012 19:39, Sriram Ramkrishna ha scritto: Anybody else interested in joining? Please let me know by Sunday. Currently, the best time seems to be Tuesday, Nov 28th. It says 21:00, but I don't know which time zone that is. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org [2] wrote: On Wed, November 21, 2012 9:48 pm, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: We should try to target a marketing call next week after the U.S. holidays. What's that scheduler thing that lets us figure out each other's free time? yes! here's the link, a bunch of us have already filled in our availability. Times are in UTC, I just chose a range that's more likely to work, given the various time zones... https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.**de/GNOMEmarketing/https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/GNOMEmarketing/[1] karen Links: -- [1] https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.**de/GNOMEmarketing/https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/GNOMEmarketing/ [2] mailto:ka...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/marketing-**listhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing meeting..
OK, it seems my last meeting time frame, Allan can't make it and well it's not much of a meeting without him. :-) So, I'm proposing this new time: Tuesday - November 27, 2012 - 18:00 UTC Karen - IRC or Phone? Since it is kind of short notice, let me know which is the most convenient. If we are using phone, some of you should be able to use gtalk or something to dial in. Allan - you can make this one? Proposed Agenda: 1) collect open agenda items 2) FoG 3) Community outreach - status, forums, training, vision etc If I end up talking a lot I will need someone else to take attendance and meeting minutes. Apologies to everyone who can't make it. It was difficult not being able to fit to everyone's schedule. sri On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.mewrote: I would like any of the other volunteers for community organizer (or enthusiasts, whatever) to join as well. Brett and others, if you could. At the moment it looks like Tuesday or Wednesday. 21:00 UTC on Wedneday is what I think we should shoot for. sri On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: great! Why don't you fill in your availability at https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.**de/GNOMEmarketing/https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/GNOMEmarketing/ :) karen On 2012-11-24 10:44, Flavia Weisghizzi wrote: I'd like to partecipate too, if I'm allowed to :) Cheers Flavia Il 22/11/2012 19:39, Sriram Ramkrishna ha scritto: Anybody else interested in joining? Please let me know by Sunday. Currently, the best time seems to be Tuesday, Nov 28th. It says 21:00, but I don't know which time zone that is. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org [2] wrote: On Wed, November 21, 2012 9:48 pm, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: We should try to target a marketing call next week after the U.S. holidays. What's that scheduler thing that lets us figure out each other's free time? yes! here's the link, a bunch of us have already filled in our availability. Times are in UTC, I just chose a range that's more likely to work, given the various time zones... https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.**de/GNOMEmarketing/https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/GNOMEmarketing/[1] karen Links: -- [1] https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.**de/GNOMEmarketing/https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/GNOMEmarketing/ [2] mailto:ka...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/marketing-**listhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Tuesday 18:00 UTC meeting (was Re: Marketing meeting..)
That works for me. When you send it out the details I will mail with a new thread announcing the meeting or if you could do that since I'm three hours behind east coast time then people have more time to get the information than waiting for me to wake up. Thanks folks! Looking forward to talking to you all tomorrow. sri On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Mon, November 26, 2012 7:58 pm, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: OK, it seems my last meeting time frame, Allan can't make it and well it's not much of a meeting without him. :-) So, I'm proposing this new time: Tuesday - November 27, 2012 - 18:00 UTC Karen - IRC or Phone? Since it is kind of short notice, let me know which is the most convenient. If we are using phone, some of you should be able to use gtalk or something to dial in. I will try to set up a call, but I won't be able to do it until tomorrow morning. I'll send out info when I have it. And we can use IRC as a backup option. karen Allan - you can make this one? Proposed Agenda: 1) collect open agenda items 2) FoG 3) Community outreach - status, forums, training, vision etc If I end up talking a lot I will need someone else to take attendance and meeting minutes. Apologies to everyone who can't make it. It was difficult not being able to fit to everyone's schedule. sri On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.mewrote: I would like any of the other volunteers for community organizer (or enthusiasts, whatever) to join as well. Brett and others, if you could. At the moment it looks like Tuesday or Wednesday. 21:00 UTC on Wedneday is what I think we should shoot for. sri On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: great! Why don't you fill in your availability at https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.**de/GNOMEmarketing/ https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/GNOMEmarketing/ :) karen On 2012-11-24 10:44, Flavia Weisghizzi wrote: I'd like to partecipate too, if I'm allowed to :) Cheers Flavia Il 22/11/2012 19:39, Sriram Ramkrishna ha scritto: Anybody else interested in joining? Please let me know by Sunday. Currently, the best time seems to be Tuesday, Nov 28th. It says 21:00, but I don't know which time zone that is. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org [2] wrote: On Wed, November 21, 2012 9:48 pm, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: We should try to target a marketing call next week after the U.S. holidays. What's that scheduler thing that lets us figure out each other's free time? yes! here's the link, a bunch of us have already filled in our availability. Times are in UTC, I just chose a range that's more likely to work, given the various time zones... https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.**de/GNOMEmarketing/ https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/GNOMEmarketing/[1] karen Links: -- [1] https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.**de/GNOMEmarketing/ https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/GNOMEmarketing/ [2] mailto:ka...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/marketing-**list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing meeting..
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, November 27, 2012 7:15 am, Oliver Propst wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se wrote: On 11/27/2012 01:58 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: OK, it seems my last meeting time frame, Allan can't make it and well it's not much of a meeting without him. :-) So, I'm proposing this new time: Tuesday - November 27, 2012 - 18:00 UTC I love having meetings with Allan and think his input is very valuable, but 18:00 UTC means 6 out of 13 can't make it. That's almost half of the attendants. Late Wednesday seems a lot more appropriate. +1. OK, looks like we really should delay to tomorrow. I'll leave it to Sri to confirm the new time, but I'll have voice dial-in set up :) OK, we can move it to tomorrow then. I will set it for Wednesday, Nov 28th 20 UTC sound for everyone? sri karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing Meeting - Wednesday November 28, 2012 at 20:00 UTC
Agenda: 1) introductions (5 minutes) 1) FoG (30 minutes) 2) Community outreach (25 minutes) Phone meeting details will be attached prior to the meeting. Since they will be based in the U.S. Please let me know soonest if you have issues with dialing in. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Next marketing meeting proposal - 12/12/2012 20:00 UTC
I'm proposing the same time in two weeks. If that is not acceptable, we can organize a different time. We had a pretty successful meeting, and so we are proposing that we meet bi-weekly by phone with a possible IRC supplementary conversation. We will probably want to find a place to store minutes so that we can keep track? The topic for next meeting is community outreach. This is somewhat of an explosive topic, and we might need more than the 1 hour to discuss this. We might want to people outside the marketing team as well. Thanks, sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
world of gnome feedback
Hi Alex, You've been doing a tremendous job with WoG! We were recently talking about WoG and one thing that we felt that would improve the site tremendously is having some editors to help edit your articles. It might slow down your publishing a bit, but would you mind if some of us help edit your articles? Can some of us help you out here? It'll help improve the site I think. We have some feedback on the WoG website as well that perhaps we could help make the site look a little better visually. I can probably help with editing, and I think some the others in marketing can help as well. Andreas - did you say you could help out with any changes to the site visually? To re-iterate, it's your site and we're happy you're doing all this. You are free of course to turn down our help, we just want to help out and make the site be as successful as possible as it is in our interest. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Presence at SCALE 11x
I think we would love to be there, but I don't know of any GNOME folks that reside in SoCal. I could write a call for volunteers on planet and ask? On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Gareth J. Greenaway gar...@socallinuxexpo.org wrote: Greetings all, A quick introduction, I'm Gareth Greenaway, one of the organizers for the Southern California Linux Expo. An annual free open source conference held in Southern California. I've been lurking on the list for awhile, just observing :) The last few years we've had an awesome GNOME presence at SCALE. spearheaded by Jeff Schroeder. Unfortunately for us, Jeff has relocated and is no longer local to SoCal, so he'll be unable to represent GNOME at the show. My hope is that there is someone whose willing to step in and fill this role. Any questions at all, please don't hesitate to ask. Thanks! Gareth -- SCALE 11X - February 22nd - 24th, 2013 This time it goes to 11! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
marketing meeting next week!
Howdy folks, It's that time to start thinking about when to schedule our marketing meeting next week. Is the same time frame okay or do people want to try a different time frame in order to have more people. I know that several people keen on attending. I would request the people who volunteered for community outreach attend this as we will probably spend the entire hour talking about community management. Before we talk, we probably want to plan on a structured discussion as I think that without one we won't come out of the meeting without any concrete goals. We should strive to have some kind of actionable item at the end of the discussion. Can we open the floor on what we want to focus on, in the next meeting? I want to do one test call Friday so that we can get everybody's software working prior to the real meeting. We spent way too much time trying to get things working and I want to not waste time getting people's software working. Once we find a bullet proof method, we can put it on l.g.o and reference it. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing test call tomorrow (Friday) (was Re: marketing meeting next week!)
Thanks Karen for setting this up! The current bits of software that we have been trying out so far has been: * Ekiga * Twinkle * linphone More choices here: http://www.voipsupply.com/blog/free-sip-softphone-roundup sri On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, December 6, 2012 1:11 am, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I want to do one test call Friday so that we can get everybody's software working prior to the real meeting. We spent way too much time trying to get things working and I want to not waste time getting people's software working. Why don't we do the test call tomorrow (Friday) at 17:30 UTC? That's 6:30pm Europe/12:30pm east coast/9:30am west coast. Here's dial-in information: PSTN: +1-718-247-9666 SIP: sip:c...@sfconservancy.onsip.com PIN: 7925 karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing test call tomorrow (Friday) (was Re: marketing meeting next week!)
Yeah, that's why I wanted to do the test call so that we can actually document a working setup. Otherwise we'll just be messing around again. sri On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: I've spent some time trying to setup SIP on my Android phone this morning. It's pretty confusing and I'm still uncertain about which provider to sign up with. Surely there's a better solution. Allan On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be in the middle of a lunch meeting then, however, as I'll be calling in by phone for the real call next week, it shouldn't be a problem. Brett On Dec 7, 2012 1:57 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Thanks Karen for setting this up! The current bits of software that we have been trying out so far has been: * Ekiga * Twinkle * linphone More choices here: http://www.voipsupply.com/blog/free-sip-softphone-roundup sri On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, December 6, 2012 1:11 am, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I want to do one test call Friday so that we can get everybody's software working prior to the real meeting. We spent way too much time trying to get things working and I want to not waste time getting people's software working. Why don't we do the test call tomorrow (Friday) at 17:30 UTC? That's 6:30pm Europe/12:30pm east coast/9:30am west coast. Here's dial-in information: PSTN: +1-718-247-9666 SIP: sip:c...@sfconservancy.onsip.com PIN: 7925 karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing meeting next week!
OK, since I have not heard any other objections, we will set it same bat time, same bat channel next week. We still had some trouble with people joining the call using SIP. If you had problems in the past, please let me know and we can try to figure out how to get it working. I know Allan has had some issues. It shows that we can't seem to get a decent experience using VOIP. Gosh if we only had some telepathy people who can help out in this. :-) sri On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for keeping up the momentum, Sri. I am current free at the same time next week. I'd be interested in talking about how we can generate more positive news about GNOME. Allan On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Howdy folks, It's that time to start thinking about when to schedule our marketing meeting next week. Is the same time frame okay or do people want to try a different time frame in order to have more people. I know that several people keen on attending. I would request the people who volunteered for community outreach attend this as we will probably spend the entire hour talking about community management. Before we talk, we probably want to plan on a structured discussion as I think that without one we won't come out of the meeting without any concrete goals. We should strive to have some kind of actionable item at the end of the discussion. Can we open the floor on what we want to focus on, in the next meeting? I want to do one test call Friday so that we can get everybody's software working prior to the real meeting. We spent way too much time trying to get things working and I want to not waste time getting people's software working. Once we find a bullet proof method, we can put it on l.g.o and reference it. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing meeting next week!
Not a bad idea, Dave! I will do just that. On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, On 12/08/2012 03:29 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: It shows that we can't seem to get a decent experience using VOIP. Gosh if we only had some telepathy people who can help out in this. :-) You know, I bet there are a bunch of them hanging out on a different mailing list :-) Maybe http://lists.freedesktop.org/**mailman/listinfo/telepathyhttp://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/telepathywould be a good place to ask? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing meeting next week!
So I have a conflict. I have some training that I have to take that is pretty much all day on Wednesday so I won't be able to make the call. Or if I do I cannot stay over. So we can either move it to Tuesday or Thursday. Would Tuesday be okay for everyone? sri On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for keeping up the momentum, Sri. I am current free at the same time next week. I'd be interested in talking about how we can generate more positive news about GNOME. Allan On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Howdy folks, It's that time to start thinking about when to schedule our marketing meeting next week. Is the same time frame okay or do people want to try a different time frame in order to have more people. I know that several people keen on attending. I would request the people who volunteered for community outreach attend this as we will probably spend the entire hour talking about community management. Before we talk, we probably want to plan on a structured discussion as I think that without one we won't come out of the meeting without any concrete goals. We should strive to have some kind of actionable item at the end of the discussion. Can we open the floor on what we want to focus on, in the next meeting? I want to do one test call Friday so that we can get everybody's software working prior to the real meeting. We spent way too much time trying to get things working and I want to not waste time getting people's software working. Once we find a bullet proof method, we can put it on l.g.o and reference it. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
forum posts
I've been looking at the forum posts and in my estimation things are going fairly well. The posts are intelligent and people are answering each other's questions and helping out even without any of the core folks participating. It would be nice to have some of the design folks putting in a couple of responses in the GNOME design part. There seems to be a number of posts there. Most people there get it, so it's not like you're engaging with a hostile crowd. I found posting there rewarding. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
marketing meeting on Thursday, Dec 13, 2012 20:00 UTC
Agenda: * Community outreach * Define the problem * Define the message * Define methods that we can resolve gaps in communication * How are forums and world of gnome working for us * reporter outreach These are sample topics. Feel free to come up with your own and we can try to resolve what would fit. I suspect that this is part 1 First approve the time slot, and then the topics. Thanks! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
instructions for SIP calling
Can someone who was able to reliably get a call going, post some instructions on how to dial in? sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing meeting next week!
I got fedora 18 beta running on my X1 Carbon.. So sweet! It has some performance issues that is related to the driver. I have to bug Fedora QA about it, I think. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.comwrote: That sounds great to me, a series of interviews with different types of users would be very interesting - let me know when you're ready for the interview and I'll be happy to help out! With some luck (crossing fingers) I will have a nice new Fedora 18 Beta on one of my machines (an HP Mini-Note 2133 I use around the house early in the morning) - I left the installer running today as I dashed out the door to drop my four children off at school... ! -Brett On Dec 12, 2012 10:45 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, December 7, 2012 10:18 am, Brett Legree wrote: Okay, I will write something up (hopefully over the weekend) and I'll include a few photos/screenshots - people like that sometimes! Yes, Greg was interviewed recently on The Setup http://greg.kh.usesthis.comand there he talks about using GNOME on his workstation (he is also using i3 on another machine along with the GNOME session handling) - which reminds me, I must revive my Google+ page that I modeled after this site. I've just been too busy having fun doing other stuff. Greg has agreed to be interviewed for a profile as a GNOME user. I'd love to line up a few of these, and maybe publish them monthly! I was thinking - one on gregkh (the serious hacker type) one on Brett (the technically oriented user) and then do one on someone who's either a designer-type or non-technical user and then one on a business-y type of user. What do you guys think? karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing meeting on Thursday, Dec 13, 2012 20:00 UTC
Thanks, Karen! On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: And here's the dial-in info: PSTN: +1-718-247-9666 SIP: sip:c...@sfconservancy.onsip.com PIN: 5268 Also, here are a few sentences I wrote to get things started on the Friends of GNOME campaign: http://piratepad.net/USKCvLBtK8 I don't think we need much in the way of content to go ahead and launch... karen On Mon, December 10, 2012 1:49 pm, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Agenda: * Community outreach * Define the problem * Define the message * Define methods that we can resolve gaps in communication * How are forums and world of gnome working for us * reporter outreach These are sample topics. Feel free to come up with your own and we can try to resolve what would fit. I suspect that this is part 1 First approve the time slot, and then the topics. Thanks! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing meeting on Thursday, Dec 13, 2012 20:00 UTC
There is an invalid pin number problem. We are working on resolving it and we'll send out mail when we get it resolved. Sorry about the inconvenience! On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: And here's the dial-in info: PSTN: +1-718-247-9666 SIP: sip:c...@sfconservancy.onsip.com PIN: 5268 Also, here are a few sentences I wrote to get things started on the Friends of GNOME campaign: http://piratepad.net/USKCvLBtK8 I don't think we need much in the way of content to go ahead and launch... karen On Mon, December 10, 2012 1:49 pm, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Agenda: * Community outreach * Define the problem * Define the message * Define methods that we can resolve gaps in communication * How are forums and world of gnome working for us * reporter outreach These are sample topics. Feel free to come up with your own and we can try to resolve what would fit. I suspect that this is part 1 First approve the time slot, and then the topics. Thanks! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Minutes December 13, 2012
Just to expand on the meeting frequency - we should continue to do bi-weekly 'tactical' meetings where we focus on our action items and getting them completed. In addition, any news of the day type of items. Once every two months prior to freezes we have planning meeting where we figure out where we want to go and so forth. For instance, in January, we should have a meeting focusing on conferences for this year that we want to be present at. Then tacticals tracking such things. Conference talks etc. As we get closer to a release, we should increase the number of times we meet to maybe once a week tactical and every 3 weeks planning. The reason is that we want to start creating momentum. It will also focus on a message on what we want this release to be. It's around here we probably should be meeting with the release team as well. We can start giving interviews, participate in forums, write blog entries etc. We had talked about alignment with distros. So for Ubuntu GNOME spin, Fedora, Arch, Debian and others we should again work on getting visibility so that people have a chance to download and try it. Since we lost Ubuntu as a default desktop environment we have also in essence lost marketshare and we will need to use brand recognition to get people to switch. Finally, one final point, community outreach should continuously try to challenge any of the old beliefs of GNOME taking away features and so forth. We have a lot of baggage that we got from the switch from 1.0 to 2.0. Which was quite painful since everything had to be re-written. We pretty much started over. A lot of people who complain probably haven't used GNOME since 1.x days. They have never gotten over the fact that GNOME changed. In fact I think a presentation talking about what happened during that time frame would be excellent. I have an idea in mind already. Anyways, jut some additions to the minutes. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: Minutes from Marketing Tele-Conference, December 13, 2013 Participants: Sririm Ramkrishna, Karen Sandler, Andreas Nilsson, Emily Gonyer, Alan Day, Olav Vitters, Flavia Weisghizzi Topic: Community Outreach/Development Sri: Theres a common wisdom that GNOME will throw out features and are unfriendly. We've let others tell our story for us. As a result, most of the press we receive is negative, focusing on GNOME 3's failures and shortcomings. Andreas: Whats the biggest drawback of this perception? Emily/Karen: Because the result is many people who have simply never seen GNOME 3, and are surprised by it when they do. Because of the perception we are limiting both our development and user bases. Karen: Addressing these myths is hard, though there may be an opportunity coming up with Vincent Untz's “Has the GNOME community gone crazy?” talk at FOSDEM. Sri: We need to have people on Twitter during the talk addressing comments on Twitter in real time. Overall we need to be more vocal about what we're doing. Need to expand outside of IRC mailinglists. Forums are going well, but input from real GNOME developers/contributors would help them expand much more rapidly. Be open to outside ideas – express more clearly that we want to hear from outside users developers. Also be open to outside contributors and accepting of whatever they have to share. Sri: How do we continue to support our theme/design while being open to outside ideas? By promoting extensions? Karen: We have this message/theme of 'Simple by default. Configurable by design.' - extensions are how we make it configurable and we should be promoting them. But we need to figure out the issues with extensions and any infrastructure issues related to them. Sri: Back to communication – we have problems as well communicating what we're doing to each other. Emily: Should we revive the GNOME Ambassadors program? Sri: Rename my 'community outreach' to GNOME Ambassadors – will look into it. Olav: We should continue having these meetings – they are helpful. Emily: Should look into including the release team other key members of GNOME community in these meetings. Action items: Everyone should be participating as much as they can. Look at the design area of the forums, as well as at re-doing their theme. (Andreas) Talk with Vincent Karen about talking to the press. (Karen) Look into the GNOME Ambassadors program. (Sri) Setup a regular call (bi-monthly? Around releases?) with the release marketing teams to better coordinate between them. (Karen) Next meetings topic: Friends of GNOME campaign on Privacy Security. -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert
Re: Marketing Minutes December 13, 2012
Doh, forgot one other thing - we could have google hangouts on GNOME and talk with people about the design. So for instance, Andreas and Allan could hold an open chat with people. It might be interesting to try. This is especially true if we start doing them as we get close to release. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.mewrote: Just to expand on the meeting frequency - we should continue to do bi-weekly 'tactical' meetings where we focus on our action items and getting them completed. In addition, any news of the day type of items. Once every two months prior to freezes we have planning meeting where we figure out where we want to go and so forth. For instance, in January, we should have a meeting focusing on conferences for this year that we want to be present at. Then tacticals tracking such things. Conference talks etc. As we get closer to a release, we should increase the number of times we meet to maybe once a week tactical and every 3 weeks planning. The reason is that we want to start creating momentum. It will also focus on a message on what we want this release to be. It's around here we probably should be meeting with the release team as well. We can start giving interviews, participate in forums, write blog entries etc. We had talked about alignment with distros. So for Ubuntu GNOME spin, Fedora, Arch, Debian and others we should again work on getting visibility so that people have a chance to download and try it. Since we lost Ubuntu as a default desktop environment we have also in essence lost marketshare and we will need to use brand recognition to get people to switch. Finally, one final point, community outreach should continuously try to challenge any of the old beliefs of GNOME taking away features and so forth. We have a lot of baggage that we got from the switch from 1.0 to 2.0. Which was quite painful since everything had to be re-written. We pretty much started over. A lot of people who complain probably haven't used GNOME since 1.x days. They have never gotten over the fact that GNOME changed. In fact I think a presentation talking about what happened during that time frame would be excellent. I have an idea in mind already. Anyways, jut some additions to the minutes. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.comwrote: Minutes from Marketing Tele-Conference, December 13, 2013 Participants: Sririm Ramkrishna, Karen Sandler, Andreas Nilsson, Emily Gonyer, Alan Day, Olav Vitters, Flavia Weisghizzi Topic: Community Outreach/Development Sri: Theres a common wisdom that GNOME will throw out features and are unfriendly. We've let others tell our story for us. As a result, most of the press we receive is negative, focusing on GNOME 3's failures and shortcomings. Andreas: Whats the biggest drawback of this perception? Emily/Karen: Because the result is many people who have simply never seen GNOME 3, and are surprised by it when they do. Because of the perception we are limiting both our development and user bases. Karen: Addressing these myths is hard, though there may be an opportunity coming up with Vincent Untz's “Has the GNOME community gone crazy?” talk at FOSDEM. Sri: We need to have people on Twitter during the talk addressing comments on Twitter in real time. Overall we need to be more vocal about what we're doing. Need to expand outside of IRC mailinglists. Forums are going well, but input from real GNOME developers/contributors would help them expand much more rapidly. Be open to outside ideas – express more clearly that we want to hear from outside users developers. Also be open to outside contributors and accepting of whatever they have to share. Sri: How do we continue to support our theme/design while being open to outside ideas? By promoting extensions? Karen: We have this message/theme of 'Simple by default. Configurable by design.' - extensions are how we make it configurable and we should be promoting them. But we need to figure out the issues with extensions and any infrastructure issues related to them. Sri: Back to communication – we have problems as well communicating what we're doing to each other. Emily: Should we revive the GNOME Ambassadors program? Sri: Rename my 'community outreach' to GNOME Ambassadors – will look into it. Olav: We should continue having these meetings – they are helpful. Emily: Should look into including the release team other key members of GNOME community in these meetings. Action items: Everyone should be participating as much as they can. Look at the design area of the forums, as well as at re-doing their theme. (Andreas) Talk with Vincent Karen about talking to the press. (Karen) Look into the GNOME Ambassadors program. (Sri) Setup a regular call (bi-monthly? Around releases?) with the release marketing teams to better coordinate between them. (Karen
Re: First time contributors : WAS Re: Marketing Minutes December 13, 2012
Yes, volunteer capture was one of the issues. That's why one of the projects was toe QA our website to make sure that we have a method of doing volunteering capture. I saw a similar issue in IRC where somebody came in and wanted to hack on something and nobody answered him. (I was reading from IRC history) At the very least we should maybe have our bot answer that question on volunteering so they know where to go. We even have that trouble here in this list. I know I sent a couple of people here and we weren't quite able to use them because of disorganization. In order to help with volunteering we kind of have to know what help people need. Anyways, good observation, Andreas! sri On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se wrote: On 12/14/2012 07:21 PM, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Sorry I couldn't attend - a sick son bedtime meant that 8pm yesterday was rush hour in the Neary household. On 12/14/2012 03:24 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote: Sri: Theres a common wisdom that GNOME will throw out features and are unfriendly. We've let others tell our story for us. As a result, most of the press we receive is negative, focusing on GNOME 3's failures and shortcomings. Andreas: Whats the biggest drawback of this perception? I would say that the biggest draw-back of this perception is that we are not growing as a developer community, because we're seen as a conservative project where code is as likely to be rejected as accepted once the work is done, it's not clear how to get pre-approval before developing something that it'll be accepted. I can see this and it's something we can improve over time. Related to this (and sorry for hijacking the thread here), is that I think we currently do a very bad job at having a first time contributor experience. We have https://www.gnome.org/get-**involved/https://www.gnome.org/get-involved/but I feel it's currently pointing to a bunch of loose ends (especially Test and Code). I was in #gnome-love the other day and someone joined and asked Hey! I want to start contributing to anything with code! How can I get started? and I was like Let me walk you through jhbuild hell The whole experience was extremely frustrating to me, I can't imagine how it was for this person. I know Sri and Colin are looking at OSTree for some of this, but just having the jhbuild documentation sorted out would be a massive help. It's a mess right now. Also clearer documentation on who to talk to, what to download, etc. would be a massive help. Dave, since you have experience in this realm, any suggestions on what else we need to do to fix this? - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/marketing-**listhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Your FOSDEM stand request for GNOME]
When is FOSDEM again? I would like to go, but I would like to write a paper or something in order for my work to pay for the trip. Otherwise, I gotta fund my own way. On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: Cool! I'm still not sure if I'll make it, cross your fingers :) On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: looks like we're all set to have a 2 table stand at FOSDEM... Original Message Subject: Your FOSDEM stand request for GNOME From:Wynke Stulemeijer wy...@fosdem.org Date:Sat, December 22, 2012 3:10 pm To: ka...@gnome.org Cc: sta...@fosdem.org -- Hi Karen, I am pleased to inform you that your proposal for a stand at FOSDEM 2013 has been accepted. We have assigned two tables to you. You will receive additional information, including the location of your stand, in due course. Kind regards, Wynke. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Report of the Day event at Kastoria, Greece
That's great! Thank you for sharing this with us! On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Ευστάθιος Ιωσηφίδης - Efstathios Iosifidis diamond...@freemail.gr wrote: Hello friends, Last weekend, I was at Kastoria for the day event of Linux Team of Kastoria, Greece. I had a talk about the environment Gnome 3.2. At night, we celebrated openSUSE 12.1 release. Check out my blogpost (in Greek). There are pictures and the presentation. http://stathisuse.blogspot.com/2011/12/3-12-2011.html Have a lot of fun Stathis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Report of the Day event at Kastoria, Greece
BTW it seems that your blog has been removed and I was not able to see the pictures. :( On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.mewrote: That's great! Thank you for sharing this with us! On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Ευστάθιος Ιωσηφίδης - Efstathios Iosifidis diamond...@freemail.gr wrote: Hello friends, Last weekend, I was at Kastoria for the day event of Linux Team of Kastoria, Greece. I had a talk about the environment Gnome 3.2. At night, we celebrated openSUSE 12.1 release. Check out my blogpost (in Greek). There are pictures and the presentation. http://stathisuse.blogspot.com/2011/12/3-12-2011.html Have a lot of fun Stathis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME legacy
Yeah, I suspect a lot of people want to see what GNOME will deliver in terms of giving back the original look and feel. Legacy mode is going to look and old and crufty as we continue making GNOME 3 better though. People will end up switching. On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:05 AM, Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.eswrote: Hi, In the Linux Action show they talked about the GNOME legacy mode commenting Matthias Clasen and World of GNOME posts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faR4NiSGbtglist=SP1438E85AF384217E minute 40:30 / 43:45 I have the impression that the legacy mode will be the most commented and scrutinized feature of GNOME 3.8. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME legacy
On that note, I think that is an excellent topic for our next marketing meeting. :-) We have some other topics as well including the FoG for privacy, and I will add talking at conferences and what our messages are going to be for 3.8. With Classic mode being advertised with the next release I think we're going to need to get started working on marketing materials, and what conferences we want to have a presence at so that we can start writing our papers. sri On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:21 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Yeah, I suspect a lot of people want to see what GNOME will deliver in terms of giving back the original look and feel. Legacy mode is going to look and old and crufty as we continue making GNOME 3 better though. People will end up switching. We don't actually know what legacy mode is going to look like, nor do we know how good it will be. It might well be worth us thinking about doing some expectation management prior to the 3.8 release. This thing might well blow up in our faces. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
PROPOSED Marketing Meeting: January 9th 20:00 UTC
Same time as usual. Topics: 1) managing classic experience expectations 2) 2.8 marketing message and materials 3) FoG 4) follow up on action items from the last meeting Please propose any other topics for discussion as well. Thanks, sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
REMINDER: Marketing meeting January 9th 20:00 UTC
Reminder that we have a marketing meeting tomorrow: Topics: 1) managing classic experience expectations 2) 2.8 marketing message and materials 3) FoG 4) follow up on action items from the last meeting PSTN: +1-718-247-9666 SIP: sip:c...@sfconservancy.onsip.com PIN: 8602 Here are the action items from last time: * Sri to follow up on the Ambassador's program * Andreas to look at design area of forums as well as re-doign their theme * Karen to discuss with Vincent about talking to the Press * Karen to setup regular call with release and marketing teams to better coordinate messaging with releases * All: figuring out how to promote extensions, and knowing what issues surround using extensions in GNOME 3. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Fwd: Community programs analysis
-- Forwarded message -- From: Diego Escalante Urrelo die...@gnome.org Date: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM Subject: Fwd: Community programs analysis To: Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me Hope this still holds true after this months. I re-read my conclusions and I think they still are valid, I don't know/think the programas changed much lately. -- Forwarded message -- From: Diego Escalante Urrelo die...@gnome.org Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:24 PM Subject: Community programs analysis To: Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org Hi! As promised, here's an overview/analysis of the Ubuntu, Mozilla and Fedora programs. I think there's some interesting data here. I know it's really long, but I think it's jump-reading friendly. The final blocks: thoughts and conclusions; work as a summary, so you can check that directly if you want. Conclusions are somewhat more tl;dr;. = Ubuntu Local Community (LoCo) teams = These are local community teams all around the world, both official and unofficial ones. Anyone can create a group, they only need to gather interested people and follow a howto, which is more or less predictable if you know how communities usually work: - get interested peers - create a mailing list in lists.ubuntu.com - create a wiki homepage in wiki.ubuntu.com - create an IRC channel in freenode - all these resources follow naming guidelines https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto Also, before trying to become official you are expected to also: - report monthly following a format - appoint a contact person for the team To start operating officially and be recognized you need approval of the LoCo Council. This means writing an application with your resources, plans and membership. The usual. There's also a lot of documentation regarding governance and conflict resolution. Consider that loco.ubuntu.com provides aggregation for events, news and twitter/identi.ca feeds of the teams. I suppose this is carefully filtered so to avoid endless and meaningless lists like planet.ubuntu.com and similar. Text based information and representation. = Mozilla Communities = There's a newsletter you can subscribe to. They have insanely iconic and graphical representations for everything. The /contribute/ page is interesting, it's divided into: - area of interest - time available + interesting: army of awesome. people answering questions in twitter and similar sites - communities near you Communities takes you to a community mindmap widget that is fancy but a bit useless. It seems most communities handle their own website hosting(?) There doesn't seem to be an immediate homepage or starpage for communities as a community of communinities. It's currently just a regional directory. Couldn't find the program details, I guess I overlooked it... Anyway, googling create mozilla community didn't help. So it might not be newcomer safe. Side note, this is an interesting setup to invite volunteers: - https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SIGs/Marketing - https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SIGs/Communications = Fedora ambassadors = Has an structure around regions and a central committee. Much like LoCo teams, but feels a bit more RedHat-ish. Specially considering those stock market names: Asia Pacific (APAC), Europe, Middle East, and Africa (EMEA), Latin America (LATAM), and North America (NA). They have a biz card generator. Handy. Few things are demanded from Ambassadors. Unlike LoCo teams, the Ambassadors seem to limit to individual activities. This seems to be more similar to a local salesman than community fostering. The wiki is a bit boring, to be honest. It lacks the colorfulness of mozilla.org and the 1-2-3 steps of ubuntu.com There is a constant mixture of internal information (templates, processes) of the program with external information (howto, faq, etc). This is extremely tiresome and considerably confusing. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_project_structure = Some thoughts = By far, it seems ubuntu is the more succesful one based on the number of teams. But otoh, mozilla is a newer effort. Fedora doesn't have much excuse though. Mozilla does a great job with its graphical material, it looks much more professional than the other programs. This is just because they have invested in such material design and production. We can do that, but we have to be more demanding, beyond funny picture in the frame. Regarding Ubuntu vs Fedora, I think Fedora's program is an afterthought when compared to LoCo. The two programs are similar, I believe LoCo might be the older one. Or at least it seems older given how much response it has. It helps that Ubuntu has had people on the payroll devoted to community activities and fostering, Fedora hasn't AFAIK. Also to consider, and perhaps one of my historical peeves
moving marketing meeting to Tuesdays instead of Wednesday
Does anybody have a problem with attendance if we move the marketing meeting from Wednesday to Tuesday at 20:00 UTC? sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Community programs analysis
any feedback on this? On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.mewrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Diego Escalante Urrelo die...@gnome.org Date: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM Subject: Fwd: Community programs analysis To: Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me Hope this still holds true after this months. I re-read my conclusions and I think they still are valid, I don't know/think the programas changed much lately. -- Forwarded message -- From: Diego Escalante Urrelo die...@gnome.org Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:24 PM Subject: Community programs analysis To: Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org Hi! As promised, here's an overview/analysis of the Ubuntu, Mozilla and Fedora programs. I think there's some interesting data here. I know it's really long, but I think it's jump-reading friendly. The final blocks: thoughts and conclusions; work as a summary, so you can check that directly if you want. Conclusions are somewhat more tl;dr;. = Ubuntu Local Community (LoCo) teams = These are local community teams all around the world, both official and unofficial ones. Anyone can create a group, they only need to gather interested people and follow a howto, which is more or less predictable if you know how communities usually work: - get interested peers - create a mailing list in lists.ubuntu.com - create a wiki homepage in wiki.ubuntu.com - create an IRC channel in freenode - all these resources follow naming guidelines https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto Also, before trying to become official you are expected to also: - report monthly following a format - appoint a contact person for the team To start operating officially and be recognized you need approval of the LoCo Council. This means writing an application with your resources, plans and membership. The usual. There's also a lot of documentation regarding governance and conflict resolution. Consider that loco.ubuntu.com provides aggregation for events, news and twitter/identi.ca feeds of the teams. I suppose this is carefully filtered so to avoid endless and meaningless lists like planet.ubuntu.com and similar. Text based information and representation. = Mozilla Communities = There's a newsletter you can subscribe to. They have insanely iconic and graphical representations for everything. The /contribute/ page is interesting, it's divided into: - area of interest - time available + interesting: army of awesome. people answering questions in twitter and similar sites - communities near you Communities takes you to a community mindmap widget that is fancy but a bit useless. It seems most communities handle their own website hosting(?) There doesn't seem to be an immediate homepage or starpage for communities as a community of communinities. It's currently just a regional directory. Couldn't find the program details, I guess I overlooked it... Anyway, googling create mozilla community didn't help. So it might not be newcomer safe. Side note, this is an interesting setup to invite volunteers: - https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SIGs/Marketing - https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SIGs/Communications = Fedora ambassadors = Has an structure around regions and a central committee. Much like LoCo teams, but feels a bit more RedHat-ish. Specially considering those stock market names: Asia Pacific (APAC), Europe, Middle East, and Africa (EMEA), Latin America (LATAM), and North America (NA). They have a biz card generator. Handy. Few things are demanded from Ambassadors. Unlike LoCo teams, the Ambassadors seem to limit to individual activities. This seems to be more similar to a local salesman than community fostering. The wiki is a bit boring, to be honest. It lacks the colorfulness of mozilla.org and the 1-2-3 steps of ubuntu.com There is a constant mixture of internal information (templates, processes) of the program with external information (howto, faq, etc). This is extremely tiresome and considerably confusing. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_project_structure = Some thoughts = By far, it seems ubuntu is the more succesful one based on the number of teams. But otoh, mozilla is a newer effort. Fedora doesn't have much excuse though. Mozilla does a great job with its graphical material, it looks much more professional than the other programs. This is just because they have invested in such material design and production. We can do that, but we have to be more demanding, beyond funny picture in the frame. Regarding Ubuntu vs Fedora, I think Fedora's program is an afterthought when compared to LoCo. The two programs are similar, I believe LoCo might be the older one. Or at least it seems older given how
Re: [Fwd: FOSDEM stands, practical information]
Make sure you give some live cds to the owncloud guys. I'm sure they would like to advertise the fact that GNOME supports owncloud in online accounts. sri On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: We got the information on the FOSDEM stand - looks like a fine location to me... karen Original Message Subject: FOSDEM stands, practical information From:Tias Guns t...@fosdem.org Date:Tue, January 8, 2013 6:06 pm To: FOSDEM stands sta...@fosdem.org -- Dear FOSDEM stand holders, This email contains a lot of practical information, please read it until the end. Location You will be located in the K building, on the first floor. Attached (Kniv1_stands.jpg) is an image of the ground plan. Note that this is just a draft; the scale of the tables is an estimate and the spacing between stands is somewhat arbitrary. We've assigned the stand places as such: '''Group A''' 1. KDE 2. KDE 3. QT 4. Gnome 5. Gnome 6. CentOS 7. CentOS 8. Mageia 9. Ubuntu 10. Fedora 11. Fedora '''Group B''' 1. openSuse 2. openSuse 3. debian 4. debian 5. ownCloud 6. oVirt 7. GlusterFS 8. Xen.org '''Group C''' 1. FSFe 2. FSFe 3. FSFe 4. Mozilla 5. Mozilla 6. Libre Graphics Magazine 7. OpenStreetMap 8. Ca-cert 9. Ca-cert If you would prefer to be closer to another stand, or if you have any other questions or requests just contact us! Shipping A number of people have been asking for a shipping address. I'm afraid we don't have any presence on the campus except for during FOSDEM, so we can not provide you with a shipping address. Please try to make your own shipping arrangements, but should you really really have no other option then do mail us. Timings --- Build-up can start from 9:00 on Saturday. Visitors will start passing by slowly around 10-11, it will be at full speed by 13:00 (end of keynotes). There is an overnight storage room in the H and K building. You can also leave stuff in the building overnight (buildings close), but we can not 'guard' the hallways on Sunday morning. We can also not provide any insurance or take responsibility in case of damage or theft. We do have security staff on campus at all times. Sunday starts around 9:00-10:00 and the tear-down starts at 18:00. By 19:00 the latest you should have cleared out so we can start cleaning. Varia - We provide a limited number of table-cloths, but you are more than welcome to provide any on your own, especially if you have something like a banner for your project. We will provide you with power sockets (*) but if you have a couple of extension cables, we recommend you do bring them along if possible. (*) note that Belgium uses type E sockets: http://users.telenet.be/worldstandards/electricity.htm#plugs_e If you need any adapters, make sure to bring them along as we cannot provide you with any ourselves. High-speed Internet uplink will be provided by means of WiFi everywhere. If you have a device that requires a wired ethernet connection you should take a bridge device with you. If you have any further questions, please contact us at sta...@fosdem.org Thank you for your participation and see you in Brussels soon : ) Kind regards, The FOSDEM Team -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: moving marketing meeting to Tuesdays instead of Wednesday
For me 20:00 UTC works great since it is my lunch hour. :-) But I can possibly go to 19:00 UTC. I am usually open during that time. sri On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.comwrote: 18h30 would be a bit too early for me, since I'd still be at work. 19h may work, if possible :) On 14 January 2013 09:18, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, Allan, would any evening be better for you two? Would even an hour or two earlier be helpful? Thanks for trying to make the meeting easier to attend. Making it a little earlier would certainly help although, again, I can't guarantee that I'll be able to make every one. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
confirmation of marketing meeting on Tuesday 1/22/2013
We have a marketing meeting.. list of topics? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
reminder marketing meeting 01/22/2012 20:00 UTC
Agenda * FOSDEM * Friends of GNOME * Annual Report 2012 Sorry for the late notice.. been really busy today. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Jan 22 Marketing Meeting Minutes
Attendees: Sri, Allan, Karen, Emily, Fabiana, Joseph, Andreas, Flavia Topics: * Fosdem Booth staffing: * +1 to Emily, who committed to spending time at the booth. https://live.gnome.org/GnomeEvents/FOSDEM/2013/Standhttps://live.gnome.org/GnomeEvents/FOSDEM/2013/Stand#attendees #attendees https://live.gnome.org/GnomeEvents/FOSDEM/2013/Stand#attendees We have some holes in coverage so we should try to look for opportunities to fill the hole. ACTION: Karen will email the foundations list. Propaganda: *Andreas has a t-shirt and flyer on our privacy campaign are ready for FOSDEM. https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/master/t-shirts/fosdem2013.png Final work should be done by tomorrow. Our time is growing short in order to put in the order. https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/master/flyers/privacy-flyer.png Flier is complete, and all attendees have approved the design and text. Venue for Party: We are going back to the original venue - La Bécasse - Fred Peters and Guillaume Desmottes are the organizer. Activities at the booth: Possible entertainment that involves user participation at the booth? * Nerf basketball * Love/Hate wall - put postits on what people like about GNOME and what you don't. * Friends of GNOME * Possible interviews that would support the FoG. * Putting together our own privacy policy and then advertising it. Every once in awhile report on it. Communicate this is what we want to be, even though we are not there yet. Reflect some of our current practices and as the technical part improves we can elaborate on it. Biggest concern is are we doing enough for the people who signed up that they feel good about contributing to GNOME. The impression right now is that we are not doign a great job of that right now. There is some agreement with that. We are trying to improve, Tobias has sent thank you cards to people who have contributed. We are hoping that the contractor that we are working with will alleviate this issue. Nobody should be dropped and not get the t-shirt or not get acknowledged when they contributed money. How should we be addressing? Have a newsletter? How often? Quarterly? Monthly. Allan doesn't think it has to be regular, it could be done at certain points of time or interest. We can time it with a hackfest and put out a comment where we thank contributors for making this happen so that they know what events they are funding. ACTION: Allan and Karen will talk with Bastian and Matthias to see where we are with the privacy controls. Things like privacy mode in Web would be great. ACTION: Sri will try to find other people to help volunteer. * Annual Report 2012 We really need to get going on the annual report. Dave Neary is right that we need to get the right people to write the right articles. Last year was tough because we relied on a committee of three. (It did get done!) https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2012-December/msg0.html ACTION: Karen and Emily working on a wiki page to plan writing content. Andreas is happy to contribute articles. Having more people contribute the easier this task will be to complete. * Communication with the release team They usually have meetings in IRC, but they are having a Face 2 Face meeting at FOSDEM. Would be great if someone could send the minutes from that meeting to the marketing meeting. We could also invite some of the release team members to marketing list? * Follow up on action items from the last meeting ACTION: Andreas to check with Alberto if Healtcheck can be done for all modules. ACTION Andreas to look into creating materials for FOSDEM (DONE) ACTION: Emily to post on the Forums (on going) * Going to post a call for help on the annual report. ACTION: Karen will work on a general privacy statement from GNOME (on going) ACTION: Andreas to look at design area of forums as well as re-doign their theme * waiting on a proposal so that they have something to switch. ACTION: Karen to setup regular call with release and marketing teams to better coordinate messaging with releases (cancelled - Allan was talking to release team in particpating.. we should meet with them prior to any big decisions) ACTION: Karen will open up a dialogue for more formal communication between release team and marketing team. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Annual report
I have a number of volunteers now who have volunteered to help out. A total of 3 new people. We should probably start talking about how we want to do this. How do you people want to proceed? sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Annual report
So we have had a thread on this back in November. Please read through the thread and then put forth any ideas from that thread since it seems to have progressed quite a bit. That way we can leverage the previous conversation instead of starting completely over: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2012-November/msg1.html sri On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.comwrote: It could be good to start drafting an outline of the report, like a summary or something. As a volunteer, I, for one, would find easier to take a topic out of this outline to write about, than to propose a topic out of the blue. Perhaps people who have worked on previous reports could kick off this? Best, Fabiana On 01/24/2013 08:14 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I have a number of volunteers now who have volunteered to help out. A total of 3 new people. We should probably start talking about how we want to do this. How do you people want to proceed? sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Let's write the 2012 Annual report!
OK, thanks. I'll look them up! sri On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: Awesome, Sri, thanks! jrb, federico and Dave Mason put together a lot of stuff for their GUADEC keynote which could be helpful. Diego, Daniel and Marina had the OPW and GSoC participants at GUADEC interview GNOME old timers too, which could have some good stuff as well for this. karen On Thu, January 24, 2013 11:58 pm, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Awesome, thanks Karen! I have signed up for GNOME 15 year birthday. 15 years already? Good grief, it just seems like ysterday we were celebrating 10 years! I will celebrate 14 something years in GNOME this year. :-) sri On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, January 24, 2013 8:31 pm, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: So we have had a thread on this back in November. Please read through the thread and then put forth any ideas from that thread since it seems to have progressed quite a bit. That way we can leverage the previous conversation instead of starting completely over: OK, I went back and took all of the discussion we had then and included it in a new wiki page: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/AnnualReport/AnnualReport2012 I put the list of article ideas up there, and if you volunteered already to write something I put your name in parenthesis next to it! I'm so excited to get going on this! I took the schedule and modified it as I suggested back when we started this thread, and we still have more than a month to get content written to stay on it. We can do it (with your help)! karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
marketing meeting next week
So we have a marketing meeting call next week. But a lot of you will be in FOSDEM. I know we decided we would still have it, so how do you want to proceed? Can you setup a conference room? What would be the timing? sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
distro that is focused on accessibilty
Hi All, I was reading on /r/Linux on reddit about a distro that is looking for donations to work on a completely accessible operating system. I posted a note talking about our own efforts at accessibility. More importantly, we are doing our own fund drive and perhaps it might be worth doing something jointly. I have asked them to contact me. I'm hoping that this might be a good partnership. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: distro that is focused on accessibilty
My point here is that if there is some mutual beneficial way to work with say this distro who is looking to improve a11y, what I see is more people interested in solving the problem. That mean we can do some joint venture that will help a11y and improve the stack. Whether that means money through mutual fundraising for getting volunteers, both would be good for us. On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es wrote: De: Flavia Weisghizzi fla...@weisghizzi.it Para: marketing-list@gnome.org Enviado: Domingo 3 de febrero de 2013 11:12 Asunto: Re: distro that is focused on accessibilty Il 02/02/2013 07:13, Sriram Ramkrishna ha scritto: Hi All, I was reading on /r/Linux on reddit about a distro that is looking for donations to work on a completely accessible operating system. I posted a note talking about our own efforts at accessibility. More importantly, we are doing our own fund drive and perhaps it might be worth doing something jointly. I have asked them to contact me. I'm hoping that this might be a good partnership. sri Hi Sri, I think this is a great idea! I've managed the a11y question in GNOME 2 and the support was very good, not so good in GNOME 3, but I was talking just a couple of days ago with Juanjo Marin and he confirmed me that a11y team for 3.8 is reaching some interesting goals. :) Cheers, Hi ! The transition to GNOME 3.0 was a regression because we weren't able to deliver an accessible desktop in time. The main reason was that Bonobo was dropped and we have to migrate all our accessibility stack to D-Bus and we didn't have the time to make gnome shell accessible. The design of gnome shell included an accessibility icon, so at least it was clear our intentions, though unfortunately the result in 3.0 were very poor. In the transition to 3.0 to 3.4 a lot of work was done in the accessibility technology stack. We think that we've got the same level of accessibility in GNOME 3.4 that GNOME 2 in general terms, Orca performs better than in the gnome 2 but we have some small details like sticky keys indicator that still are not present in GNOME 3 (#647711, still not resolved). Starting with GNOME 3.6, the accessibility stack has been highly integrated into the core, so users that need any assistive technology can use GNOME right from the start. So far, users that needed any assistive technology had to activate accessibility support. This was cumbersome, because they had to figure out how to do that without the help of any assistive technology that they may need. This feature is an important milestone in GNOME's accessibilty. I think is important to note that GNOME accessibility technologies is the facto cross desktop standard for accessibility. The accessibilty team help Qt and KDE developers to improve their accessibility support. Thanks to this collaboration, Orca users will be able to access not only GNOME/GTK+ applications, but also KDE/Qt applications. IMHO, distros oriented to accessibility still has sense, but I think/hope we are getting close to make this something in the past. At this moment, the big gap to fill for making an major distro accessible is making their installer accessible. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing meeting Tuesday Feb 12th 20:00 UTC
Agenda: * FOSDEM report * Friends of GNOME * Annual Report Standard agenda items: (we don't have to cover, just need to keep it in mind) * Check up on FoG contributions and status - contractors doing a good job of alleviating issues in regards to handling donations. * Community outreach - (news articles - positive/negative, outreach ideas, concerns etc) * Opens Actions: * Karen and Emily working on a wiki page to plan writing content. Andreas is happy to contribute articles. Having more people contribute the easier this task will be to complete. * Allan and Karen will talk with Bastian and Matthias to see where we are with the privacy controls. Things like privacy mode in Web would be great. * Sri will try to find other people to help volunteer for annual report * Andreas to check with Alberto if Healtcheck can be done for all modules. * Emily to post on the Forums (on going) * Karen will work on a general privacy statement from GNOME (on going) * Andreas to look at design area of forums as well as re-doign their theme * Allan to have release team participating in call * Karen will open up a dialogue for more formal communication between release team and marketing team. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing meeting Tuesday Feb 12th 20:00 UTC
Let's add Flavia's post as another agenda item. sri On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: And here's dial-in information: PSTN: +1-718-247-9666 SIP: sip:c...@sfconservancy.onsip.com PIN: 9090 On Thu, February 7, 2013 7:57 pm, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Agenda: * FOSDEM report * Friends of GNOME * Annual Report Standard agenda items: (we don't have to cover, just need to keep it in mind) * Check up on FoG contributions and status - contractors doing a good job of alleviating issues in regards to handling donations. * Community outreach - (news articles - positive/negative, outreach ideas, concerns etc) * Opens Actions: * Karen and Emily working on a wiki page to plan writing content. Andreas is happy to contribute articles. Having more people contribute the easier this task will be to complete. * Allan and Karen will talk with Bastian and Matthias to see where we are with the privacy controls. Things like privacy mode in Web would be great. * Sri will try to find other people to help volunteer for annual report * Andreas to check with Alberto if Healtcheck can be done for all modules. * Emily to post on the Forums (on going) * Karen will work on a general privacy statement from GNOME (on going) * Andreas to look at design area of forums as well as re-doign their theme * Allan to have release team participating in call * Karen will open up a dialogue for more formal communication between release team and marketing team. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Meeting Minutes - Feb 12, 2013
This is the link to the meeting minutes. https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingTeamMeetings/12FEV2013 In the interest of better communications, I am CC'ing the foundation-list. Foundation-list: Marketing team have a bi-weekly phone call to discuss community outreach, quarterly reports and other non-coding items. Just to keep foundation members abreast of what we are doing and our progress, I'm giving a link to our minutes for your perusal. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
I think in the meeting we were talking about doing a report after a conference. In general, we should roll all this into a quarterly report, and then the annual report would be a summary of the quarterly ones, no? sri On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, February 14, 2013 8:37 am, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, I think the annual report should be as timely as possible - so covering FOSDEM 2013 is great! My mistake - I guess it was pretty late when I did that :) I'd love to collect the content now for next year though and find a way to also publish that separately so we've got current stuff coming out too... karen Cheers, Dave. On 02/14/2013 02:25 PM, Juanjo Marin wrote: On 14/02/13 13:01, Fabiana Simões wrote: Hi everyone, On 14 February 2013 02:51, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: Maybe everyone could add links to content on that wiki page? It's a really easy way to contribute in a small way. I went ahead and linked some easy ones, like the GUADEC photo pool. But there's a lot of great stuff there. Whoever takes on the article will appreciate having the links already there... Added links there to as much content as I could find. One question: The FOSDEM links there are for the 2013 event instead of the 2012 one. Is that correct? I think is just a mistake. We should cover FOSDEM 2012 for this issue of the annual report. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
Seems good. I would probably have re-written it to have a little oomph to it. We're trying to present an interesting picture of each hackfest. Think the language used in those gourmet magazines where they start with It was a cold day in December, in contrast to the warm bubble enthusiasm at the UX hackfest.. etc etc. That said, I think that's really the kind of job of an editor, write the piece and then we'll start making it look pretty. You're going in the right direction however, because it is a good basis for that kind of writing because you need to get the facts and what happened. sri On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.comwrote: Hi guys, I wrote two articles for the Annual Report, one about the User Observation Hackfest and another about the A Coruña UX Hackfest. I tried to keep them short, since we have a lot of Hackfests to write about. Both pieces are here: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/AnnualReport/AnnualReport2012/Hackfests . Could anyone take a look at them, please? Just wanted to make sure I'm at the right direction here, before I go ahead and write some more :) ~Fabiana On 02/14/2013 05:53 PM, Daniel Galleguillos C. wrote: Hi karen. 2013/2/14 Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org On Wed, February 13, 2013 10:50 pm, Daniel Galleguillos C. wrote: Hi all folks. I've have been working in a update for the Annual report and here's the PDF Sketch, the update are in Scribus so we are ready to add text and Pictures. https://live.gnome.org/DanielGalleguillos/GNOME_Mockups There is some place were I can get some pictures? a Flickr with CC License would be good. I'm worry because we need to add text and pictures and we are almost in the deadline. Feb 1st - Feb 15th - Design begins, writing finalized. Hey Daniel! Actually, we pushed the deadline a little later, so that one is March 5: I'll start to work with this info. :) https://live.gnome.org/action/edit/GnomeMarketing/AnnualReport/AnnualReport2012 That said, no time like the present to get moving on this stuff! Maybe everyone could add links to content on that wiki page? It's a really easy way to contribute in a small way. I went ahead and linked some easy ones, like the GUADEC photo pool. But there's a lot of great stuff there. Whoever takes on the article will appreciate having the links already there... Thanks, and the idea is show the advance every week. karen Cheers!! 2012/12/4 Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org On Sat, December 1, 2012 9:45 am, Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 11/05/2012 02:59 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote: We're coming up on the end of 2012 which means we need to start thinking about the 2012 Annual Report. We also need a deadline, and such a deadline everyone need to be committed to. I've asked Karen to lead the coordination in order to avoid the trainwreck we had for 2010-2011 (and them becoming a bi-annual report instead of a annual report) I propose March 3rd of 2013 as when we need to be done. I would propose March 22, as that's one week after our report needs to be filed with the IRS, and that way we can incorporate any of the changes that our accountants make (no matter how early you try to get them to work on this, they never seem to finish until the deadline). Today - Holidays - we need to get the Fog campaign out. So any work during this period is out of the question. Jan 5th - Feb 1st - Content needs to be set in stone, collecting donor data and financial numbers, initial writing happens. Length of articles We've already collected the donor data! :) decided. Feb 1st - Feb 15th - Design begins, writing finalized Feb 16th - Feb 26 - Writing proof reading and fixing, design finalized. Feb 26th - Mar 3rd - Proof reading of finished design pdf. Fixing. Publishing. (Note that February only have 28 days!) These deadlines sound great, though! We can take the extra time to pad the proof reading and fixing. Thanks for setting this out, Andreas. karen If anyone thinks that is impossible, speak up now. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list Daniel -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
Excellent, Bastian! I have also started on mine, and here is the link to the google documents. I would like a little help in editing and maybe figuring out on how to talk about the last 5 years of GNOME which of course is recent history. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1guDTyi-vsrGCOnikCRnJg5t-hV05BJWVn9ZGVRS1_ZE/edit?usp=sharing sri On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Bastian Hougaard gn...@rvzt.net wrote: ** I have updated AnnualReport2012/Hackfests with a write-up on the GNOME.Asia Summit 2012 hackfest. Feedback is welcome! -Bastian On Sun, 2013-02-17 at 12:31 -0300, Fabiana Simões wrote: Thanks for the feedback, Sri! I'll try to review the articles and put some wow on them ASAP :) ~Fabiana On 02/16/2013 11:28 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Seems good. I would probably have re-written it to have a little oomph to it. We're trying to present an interesting picture of each hackfest. Think the language used in those gourmet magazines where they start with It was a cold day in December, in contrast to the warm bubble enthusiasm at the UX hackfest.. etc etc. That said, I think that's really the kind of job of an editor, write the piece and then we'll start making it look pretty. You're going in the right direction however, because it is a good basis for that kind of writing because you need to get the facts and what happened. sri On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I wrote two articles for the Annual Report, one about the User Observation Hackfest and another about the A Coruña UX Hackfest. I tried to keep them short, since we have a lot of Hackfests to write about. Both pieces are here: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/AnnualReport/AnnualReport2012/Hackfests . Could anyone take a look at them, please? Just wanted to make sure I'm at the right direction here, before I go ahead and write some more :) ~Fabiana On 02/14/2013 05:53 PM, Daniel Galleguillos C. wrote: Hi karen. 2013/2/14 Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org On Wed, February 13, 2013 10:50 pm, Daniel Galleguillos C. wrote: Hi all folks. I've have been working in a update for the Annual report and here's the PDF Sketch, the update are in Scribus so we are ready to add text and Pictures. https://live.gnome.org/DanielGalleguillos/GNOME_Mockups There is some place were I can get some pictures? a Flickr with CC License would be good. I'm worry because we need to add text and pictures and we are almost in the deadline. Feb 1st - Feb 15th - Design begins, writing finalized. Hey Daniel! Actually, we pushed the deadline a little later, so that one is March 5: I'll start to work with this info. :) https://live.gnome.org/action/edit/GnomeMarketing/AnnualReport/AnnualReport2012 That said, no time like the present to get moving on this stuff! Maybe everyone could add links to content on that wiki page? It's a really easy way to contribute in a small way. I went ahead and linked some easy ones, like the GUADEC photo pool. But there's a lot of great stuff there. Whoever takes on the article will appreciate having the links already there... Thanks, and the idea is show the advance every week. karen Cheers!! 2012/12/4 Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org On Sat, December 1, 2012 9:45 am, Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 11/05/2012 02:59 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote: We're coming up on the end of 2012 which means we need to start thinking about the 2012 Annual Report. We also need a deadline, and such a deadline everyone need to be committed to. I've asked Karen to lead the coordination in order to avoid the trainwreck we had for 2010-2011 (and them becoming a bi-annual report instead of a annual report) I propose March 3rd of 2013 as when we need to be done. I would propose March 22, as that's one week after our report needs to be filed with the IRS, and that way we can incorporate any of the changes that our accountants make (no matter how early you try to get them to work on this, they never seem to finish until the deadline). Today - Holidays - we need to get the Fog campaign out. So any work during this period is out of the question. Jan 5th - Feb 1st - Content needs to be set in stone, collecting donor data and financial numbers, initial writing happens. Length of articles We've already collected the donor data! :) decided. Feb 1st - Feb 15th - Design begins, writing finalized Feb 16th - Feb 26 - Writing proof reading and fixing, design finalized. Feb 26th - Mar 3rd - Proof reading of finished design pdf. Fixing. Publishing. (Note that February only have 28 days!) These deadlines sound great, though! We can take the extra time to pad the proof reading and fixing. Thanks for setting this out, Andreas. karen If anyone thinks that is impossible, speak up now. - Andreas
2012 report working session 20:00 UTC Today?
Hey folks, We had talked about having a working session on alternate works on the tasks we have. It's sort of last minute, but are people interested in doing this? sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing Meeting Reminder next week Tuesday 20:00 UTC Feb 26, 2013
Greetings folks, It's time for another marketing meeting scheduled for Tuesday. Can someone provide some agenda items? Some off hand.. * GNOME 3.8 release preparation * making ourselves open to the media (interviews, blogposts, etc) * images prior to freeze for community feedback * Friends of GNOME update * GNOME in the media * Going over the results of Flavia's work * Conference participation updates Current action items: - Karen will work on a general privacy statement from GNOME - Allan will work on feature list for 3.8 release. - Karen will email release team about having a meeting to talk about 3.8 release - Sri to schedule time for working on the Annual Report content together - [All] Look at the FoG mockups and provide some feedback - https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2013-February/msg00017.htmland https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2013-February/msg00022.html - Karen could ask for hardware donations for future conferences - Andreas to look at design area of forums as well as re-doing their theme - waiting on a proposal so that they have something to switch. - Karen will open up a dialogue for more formal communication between release team and marketing team. *IN PROGRESS* - meet specifically for 3.8, mail was sent. We should start talking about release planning. Karen will follow up. Anything else? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Expectations of 'Classic' mode
Eww.. let's not call it Lite anything because it sounds like it is inferior to GNOME 3 and I don't want to give that impression. GNOME Classic experience session is a good enough I think. Hell it worked for Cocoa Cola, right? :-) sri On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Calum Benson calum.ben...@oracle.comwrote: On 15 Feb 2013, at 10:52, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote: Names have been thought of: - Traditional - Classic GNOME Lite? :) -- CALUM BENSONInteraction Designer +353 1 803 3807 Systems Experience Design http://blogs.oracle.com/calum Oracle EMEA Ltd., Ireland -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Expectations of 'Classic' mode
I think it's mostly so that those who liked the classic style have the option so they can eventually bridge the gap and move to GNOME 3. We've lost some people to Mate and Cinnamon precisely because some people really are comfortable with the old gui. But eventually, as hardware changes they'll have to eventually give it up and move to something that supports the new hardware. (eg laptops with touch screens for instance) But for now, they can still use the old method which a lot of people really did like. Now if we could get someone to write wobbly windows effect (which a lot of people liked) Funny, wobbly windows started at GNOME as a demonstration of the new X capabilities. :-) sri sri On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Calum Benson calum.ben...@oracle.comwrote: On 25 Feb 2013, at 17:40, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Eww.. let's not call it Lite anything because it sounds like it is inferior to GNOME 3 and I don't want to give that impression. Don't worry, I hate the term myself so I was mostly joking :) (But on the other hand, if we didn't believe GNOME 3 was a superior experience, there would be no reason to have stopped working on GNOME 2… and 'Lite' does perhaps actually convey a suitability for less capable hardware, which is less obvious with 'Classic'.) --Calum. -- CALUM BENSONInteraction Designer +353 1 803 3807 Systems Experience Design http://blogs.oracle.com/calum Oracle EMEA Ltd., Ireland -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Expectations of 'Classic' mode
GNOME: Electric bugalaloo or let's go with even something more preposterous GNOME vindaloo - spicy version On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.comwrote: GNOME Redux :) On Feb 25, 2013 12:49 PM, Calum Benson calum.ben...@oracle.com wrote: On 25 Feb 2013, at 17:40, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Eww.. let's not call it Lite anything because it sounds like it is inferior to GNOME 3 and I don't want to give that impression. Don't worry, I hate the term myself so I was mostly joking :) (But on the other hand, if we didn't believe GNOME 3 was a superior experience, there would be no reason to have stopped working on GNOME 2… and 'Lite' does perhaps actually convey a suitability for less capable hardware, which is less obvious with 'Classic'.) --Calum. -- CALUM BENSONInteraction Designer +353 1 803 3807 Systems Experience Design http://blogs.oracle.com/calum Oracle EMEA Ltd., Ireland -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Fwd: Marketing Meeting Reminder next week Tuesday 20:00 UTC Feb 26, 2013
Here is the agenda! sri -- Forwarded message -- From: Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:54 PM Subject: Marketing Meeting Reminder next week Tuesday 20:00 UTC Feb 26, 2013 To: GNOME Marketing List marketing-list@gnome.org Greetings folks, It's time for another marketing meeting scheduled for Tuesday. Can someone provide some agenda items? Some off hand.. * GNOME 3.8 release preparation * making ourselves open to the media (interviews, blogposts, etc) * images prior to freeze for community feedback * Friends of GNOME update * GNOME in the media * Going over the results of Flavia's work * Conference participation updates Current action items: - Karen will work on a general privacy statement from GNOME - Allan will work on feature list for 3.8 release. - Karen will email release team about having a meeting to talk about 3.8 release - Sri to schedule time for working on the Annual Report content together - [All] Look at the FoG mockups and provide some feedback - https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2013-February/msg00017.htmland https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2013-February/msg00022.html - Karen could ask for hardware donations for future conferences - Andreas to look at design area of forums as well as re-doing their theme - waiting on a proposal so that they have something to switch. - Karen will open up a dialogue for more formal communication between release team and marketing team. *IN PROGRESS* - meet specifically for 3.8, mail was sent. We should start talking about release planning. Karen will follow up. Anything else? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.8 Release Planning
I can do the press release, I did part of it last time. I'll figure out how to get the quotations. We need some press contacts. I know that Vincent has volunteered to be our media guy. Vincent, can you handle media questions? We have one volunteer for videos by the way, just need to get a reasonable build for him to try. We had discussed this earlier . It is a nice extra I think. Possibly, Bastian can do some screenshots as well. I can help out some with the release notes as well and social media. I will ask for more volunteers on the social networking sites becuase we still have pending stuff to do on the annual report. :/ sri On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:20 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As I recently noted in my email about release notes, GNOME 3.8 is due for release on March 27. That gives us about a month to get ready on the marketing side. This includes: * Release notes * Press release * Update gnome.org (change the banner on the homepage, update the screenshots on http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/) * Reach out to the press in advance to let them know that the release is coming * Generate buzz any way we can (blog posts, social media, etc) I'm working on the release notes and would appreciate any help I can get. We also need people to take care of the press release (this has a long lead time, since we have to approach people for quotations) and reaching out to the press. Volunteers are badly needed here. Let me know if you can take responsibility for any of these items. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.8 Release Planning
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: Le jeudi 28 février 2013, à 13:23 -0500, Karen Sandler a écrit : On Thu, February 28, 2013 1:17 pm, Allan Day wrote: Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: We need some press contacts. I know that Vincent has volunteered to be our media guy. Vincent, can you handle media questions? We have a list of contacts already. We just needs someone send out emails and field questions. I've got the list, and would be happy to send out the emails. It would be great to have a small group ready to field questions since sometimes there's a tight timetable for turnaround. I'd be happy to do it, and Vincent would be great too if he's got the time. Who else should we ask? I can certainly help and dedicate some time to this, but I think we need more people: I might not have the bandwidth to handle everything, and I feel it's better for the project to have more than one visible face for media stuff. Hi Vincent, I'm sure that we can have Karen, yourself, Allan and maybe recruit one other. I can possibly do this as well if you like. sri Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.8 Release Planning
Sure, Alex that would be great. You actually have a pretty good grasp of what's going on as well. I'm somewhat amazed at how well you monitor all the bits. Perhaps we could do some interviews or something at your site? You're doing a good job focusing on some of release aspects too. sri On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:02 PM, alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, If there is something specific I can help with, please let me know! - alex On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: Le jeudi 28 février 2013, à 13:23 -0500, Karen Sandler a écrit : On Thu, February 28, 2013 1:17 pm, Allan Day wrote: Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: We need some press contacts. I know that Vincent has volunteered to be our media guy. Vincent, can you handle media questions? We have a list of contacts already. We just needs someone send out emails and field questions. I've got the list, and would be happy to send out the emails. It would be great to have a small group ready to field questions since sometimes there's a tight timetable for turnaround. I'd be happy to do it, and Vincent would be great too if he's got the time. Who else should we ask? I can certainly help and dedicate some time to this, but I think we need more people: I might not have the bandwidth to handle everything, and I feel it's better for the project to have more than one visible face for media stuff. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.8 Release Planning
Andreas it is! I'm have never talked with the press. I should probably like take a course or something. They have that at work. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se wrote: On 02/28/2013 09:03 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: I can certainly help and dedicate some time to this, but I think we need more people: I might not have the bandwidth to handle everything, and I feel it's better for the project to have more than one visible face for media stuff. Hi Vincent, I'm sure that we can have Karen, yourself, Allan and maybe recruit one other. I can possibly do this as well if you like. I'm happy to help as well. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.8 Release Planning
So tuesday is our work session day, still interested in doing an hour of marketing work at the same time? Karen and I could work on the press release and others could get together and work on the other release notes? What do people think of that? sri On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.comwrote: I'm very happy to help to. Please, let me know if there's anything I can do :) ~Fabiana On 02/28/2013 04:52 PM, Brett Legree wrote: Working away here at the responses to the interview questions (Hi Flavia! Expect my reply by tomorrow morning at the very latest) as well as my section for the Annual, should have that tightened up by the weekend. -Brett On Feb 28, 2013 1:30 PM, Flavia Weisghizzi fla...@weisghizzi.it wrote: Please keep me in consideration, if I may help in some way I'll be very happy to offer my experience as journalist :) Flavia Il 28/02/2013 19:23, Karen Sandler ha scritto: On Thu, February 28, 2013 1:17 pm, Allan Day wrote: Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: I can do the press release, I did part of it last time. I'll figure out how to get the quotations. That would be great, Sri! First thing to do is to figure out who we want to approach. I've got the list, and would be happy to send out the emails. It would be great to have a small group ready to field questions since sometimes there's a tight timetable for turnaround. I'd be happy to do it, and Vincent would be great too if he's got the time. Who else should we ask? May I help in some way? What kind of blogposts should we have? We're lining up interviews with GNOME users, and we have 2 in the works now. Would that be the kind of content you mean? karen We have the interview to Greg completed, I'm waiting for Brett answers, than next week I'll write the interview to Mccann too. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.8 Release Planning
Yep! We'll do it by IRC and hackerpad. The release notes are being done in git, but we could take a git version onto hackerpad and then do wahtever edits required and then push it to git afterwards. On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, February 28, 2013 10:29 pm, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: So tuesday is our work session day, still interested in doing an hour of marketing work at the same time? Karen and I could work on the press release and others could get together and work on the other release notes? What do people think of that? Great idea! By IRC again? karen sri On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.comwrote: I'm very happy to help to. Please, let me know if there's anything I can do :) ~Fabiana On 02/28/2013 04:52 PM, Brett Legree wrote: Working away here at the responses to the interview questions (Hi Flavia! Expect my reply by tomorrow morning at the very latest) as well as my section for the Annual, should have that tightened up by the weekend. -Brett On Feb 28, 2013 1:30 PM, Flavia Weisghizzi fla...@weisghizzi.it wrote: Please keep me in consideration, if I may help in some way I'll be very happy to offer my experience as journalist :) Flavia Il 28/02/2013 19:23, Karen Sandler ha scritto: On Thu, February 28, 2013 1:17 pm, Allan Day wrote: Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: I can do the press release, I did part of it last time. I'll figure out how to get the quotations. That would be great, Sri! First thing to do is to figure out who we want to approach. I've got the list, and would be happy to send out the emails. It would be great to have a small group ready to field questions since sometimes there's a tight timetable for turnaround. I'd be happy to do it, and Vincent would be great too if he's got the time. Who else should we ask? May I help in some way? What kind of blogposts should we have? We're lining up interviews with GNOME users, and we have 2 in the works now. Would that be the kind of content you mean? karen We have the interview to Greg completed, I'm waiting for Brett answers, than next week I'll write the interview to Mccann too. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Reminder: Marketing collab meeting tomorrow on IRC at 20:00 UTC
Hello folks! Just want to remind everyone that tomorrow is the collab meeting on IRC at 20:00 UTC. This will be a working meeting working on the release notes and annual report. Tomorrow is the deadline for the annual report, so if you're still working on it we need to start finishing up and get this done so we can concentrate on the release notes. Tomorrow is help Allan Day! (see what I did there? I'm s witty!) :-) sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Want to review a book about GNOME 3?
Looks like they are plenty of people to review this. :) I'll review if there are copies left. Otherwise, I'll happily let others do it. sri On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Sindhu S sind...@live.in wrote: Hi all! Am I too late? I'd love to read the book and review it :) I have no coding experience but my current internship has given me the confidence to contribute to GNOME even more :) This book should be a good head start at things! Thank you. On Wed, March 6, 2013 2:47 pm, tong hui wrote: On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: Mohammad Anwari I searched his name, so here is the book URL http://www.packtpub.com/gnome-3-application-development-beginners-guide/book Through the brief instruction of the book, and some item I am very interesting for reading the book and writing some reviews. may I ask a more cheaper ebook editon? Thanks! I've already gotten a few responses about this, so I'll ask about e-book copies, but I think we're probably set on reviewers now! karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing meeting reminder 20:00 UTC Tuesday March 12, 2013
Greeting folks, Want to remind people that we have a marketing meeting tomorrow. I might not be able to make it as I have a meeting at that time. Agenda items: * Release notes * Annual report There are probably others, and some stuff from previous meetings. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
revised the press release
Here is the revised press release. I'd like more eyeballs on it if possible. Karen and I spent a little time on it tonight as we said we would. http://piratepad.net/j4B5vOQBep Thanks, sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
OSCON
I am thinking about getting a booth this time. I've always resisted because we don't really have a good reason to be there. Butt his time, with our push to javascript I would like to be able to market to javascript writers at OSCON. Unfortunately, I'm one guy, and I'm not even sure I can even do that. I'm not sure if I can pull off manning the booth. I need to see if I can get some volunteers to man it. I'll see what I can do.. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: revised the press release
Thanks everyone for taking the time and interest in commenting! Very much appreciate the feedback. I will take a look at the first paragraph and see if we can add more detail on GNOME. Sri On Mar 22, 2013 2:24 AM, Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.com wrote: I had a brief look just now, and so far it looks great - I'll sit down with a cup of coffee at my morning break and put on my nuclear inspector hat to see how it would look if I were rolling it out to a team of government workers. (Personal bias here - I think everyone where I work would LOVE it, since we've been using bone stock Windows XP since the dawn of time it seems - a bit 'stale' these days.) -Brett On Mar 22, 2013 1:40 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Here is the revised press release. I'd like more eyeballs on it if possible. Karen and I spent a little time on it tonight as we said we would. http://piratepad.net/j4B5vOQBep Thanks, sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: OSCON
Actually, I don't expect you to be at the booth much at all I mostly thinking you would be out there networking. Much more important role. On Mar 21, 2013 11:40 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, March 22, 2013 1:42 am, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I am thinking about getting a booth this time. I've always resisted because we don't really have a good reason to be there. Butt his time, with our push to javascript I would like to be able to market to javascript writers at OSCON. Unfortunately, I'm one guy, and I'm not even sure I can even do that. I'm not sure if I can pull off manning the booth. I need to see if I can get some volunteers to man it. I'll see what I can do.. I can do a little time at the booth (if one of my talk proposals is accepted and I go to the conference) but I can't commit to being there for big long stretches of the days since I'll try to pack it with meetings if possible. I can definitely help all around though. karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: OSCON
On Mar 22, 2013 5:57 AM, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: Oh c'mon Sri, I did a booth all by my lonesome at Ohio Linux Fest :p In all seriousness, I'd love to help but, as with Brett you're on the other side of the continent, which makes it a bit hard. Though, IMHO we ought to have a GNOME booth at all the major conferences, though I'm probably dreaming. I have as well. Although, I did manage to get volunteers. The problem is more related to work. I'm more busy now than when I was an engineer in IT. So I have to spend some time during the day working. Sri Emily On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.com wrote: Ack! These things are always on the other side of the continent from me... though I'd love to do a road trip out that way. BSDCan is in my neck of the woods (in Ottawa) though I do not think we're in good shape yet in that camp, at least in FreeBSD which is my primary BSD area of interest (correct me if I'm wrong, someone!) -Brett On Mar 22, 2013 2:40 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, March 22, 2013 1:42 am, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I am thinking about getting a booth this time. I've always resisted because we don't really have a good reason to be there. Butt his time, with our push to javascript I would like to be able to market to javascript writers at OSCON. Unfortunately, I'm one guy, and I'm not even sure I can even do that. I'm not sure if I can pull off manning the booth. I need to see if I can get some volunteers to man it. I'll see what I can do.. I can do a little time at the booth (if one of my talk proposals is accepted and I go to the conference) but I can't commit to being there for big long stretches of the days since I'll try to pack it with meetings if possible. I can definitely help all around though. karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: OSCON
OK, I will work on getting a booth working for GNOME. I think we have a reason to be there if we want to get more javascript folks. However, we are going to need to get all the materials that fledgling javascript writers would want to know to write for our platform. sri On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: It's good to spend a little time in the booth, and there is some networking to be done from there :) Perhaps we should email the foundations list when it gets a little closer and see if there are others attending who may not be on the marketing list? It's still pretty early for people to know if they're going. karen On Fri, March 22, 2013 11:52 am, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Actually, I don't expect you to be at the booth much at all I mostly thinking you would be out there networking. Much more important role. On Mar 21, 2013 11:40 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, March 22, 2013 1:42 am, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I am thinking about getting a booth this time. I've always resisted because we don't really have a good reason to be there. Butt his time, with our push to javascript I would like to be able to market to javascript writers at OSCON. Unfortunately, I'm one guy, and I'm not even sure I can even do that. I'm not sure if I can pull off manning the booth. I need to see if I can get some volunteers to man it. I'll see what I can do.. I can do a little time at the booth (if one of my talk proposals is accepted and I go to the conference) but I can't commit to being there for big long stretches of the days since I'll try to pack it with meetings if possible. I can definitely help all around though. karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
press release
We have updated the press release today. I think it is in it's final form. Thanks to Brett and Emily for doing further edits and making it read so good! http://piratepad.net/j4B5vOQBep Thanks, sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
marketing meeting Tuesday 20:00 UTC
Sorry, this is really last minute. I completely forgot to send out a reminder. This is our last marketing meeting before the release. So I think we should try to meet. If we can't meet by phone then let's at least do one over IRC. Thanks, sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing meeting Tuesday 20:00 UTC
That's great, it would be great to see you there! sri On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.comwrote: I may be available via IRC, I'll do my best to join in - Brett On Mar 26, 2013 2:22 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Sorry, this is really last minute. I completely forgot to send out a reminder. This is our last marketing meeting before the release. So I think we should try to meet. If we can't meet by phone then let's at least do one over IRC. Thanks, sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
today's marketing meeting
hey folks, we are doing it by phone call, so here is hte contact details: 12:54 karenesq PSTN: +1-718-247-9666 12:54 karenesq SIP: sip:c...@sfconservancy.onsip.com 12:54 karenesq PIN: 9090 sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
collab time - 20:00 UTC Tuesday April 2nd
Reminder that we are working on Annual report and getting it in shape. So freel free to block an hour tomorrow and help work on it. Thanks! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing hackfest?
Let me see off the top of my head: * updated marketing materials for conferences - * talking points when discussing GNOME with others, formulating a FAQ * outreach discussion - we do this, but we need to really need to come up with an action plan * re-do the marketing wiki page * conference bling - what new stuff can we give out at conference * New T-shirt design? * implement GSOC volunteer capture on the website * pursue new ideas through brainstorming and interaction * press kit improvements * conference kit improvements * lingering action items that need to be completed. * reaching out to non-tech sectors * reaching out to kids * reaching out to parents * reaching out to LGBT * selling our javascript platform to web folks I'm really serious about getting images out, it's an important factor in getting volunteers.. we should probably discuss what other infrastructure improvements we could make. * beer / team building That should be about two days worth of stuff right there. I know that we have the capacity of to use an entire hour or more in our marketing meeting. Anything else, we can talk about? sri On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, April 3, 2013 8:13 pm, Allan Day wrote: Hi Karen, Karen Sandler wrote: As per Tobi's email, we should consider again whether to organize a marketing hackfest! Shaun has suggested co-locating with the docs sprint in Cincinatti June 17-19. ... What do people think? Would it be workable this time and if so would having it in June make sense? I'm definitely interested in attending a marketing hackfest. That said, I am busy and my primary responsibility is design, so I'd want to be confident that the event would be an effective use of time. Do you (or anybody else) have any ideas for what we would work on? I think there are a lot of things we could work on, but one big thing we want to do is to better articulate why GNOME and free software generally is so important. Also, our marketing materials site is old and seriously out of date so on the more mundane side, combing through those materials, reorganizing them and figuring out if there's anything new that we need would probably be very useful. I'm sure others have ideas too. karen Best, Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: OPW ideas?
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.comwrote: I think it would be great if someone took on Flavia's work on outreach. She gathered great information on newcomers characteristics and I think we should definitely use this knowledge :) From Flavia's last report, an intern could evaluate and (re)design our ways to reach each of the newcomer types mentioned. This would include, I guess: * restructuring the Get Involved session on the website * creating/improving promotion material for events, * a health check on the wiki pages for each team (checking for clear directions for where to start, outdated material), * promotion, in general (reaching social media, IRC meeting on #gnome-love perhaps...) * improving/promoting /GnomeIrcChannels with operational and etiquette tips - some newcomers still get really confused with IRC, it seems, * etc, there's plenty of room of getting creativity in action here. Also, regardless of what the intern would work on, I'd be happy to help an intern with anything related to the website. HI Fabiana, great minds think alike. :-) This is exactly what I told the one prospect that Allan sent over to me. Basically, I wanted to audit the web pages for volunteer capture. There was some other stuff as well that I need to go back and check. I want to make sure that our web pages are properly sending volunteers to the right place. sri Fabiana On 04/06/2013 01:19 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: All of this discussion about what we could work on during a hackfest reminds me that we should get an idea or two up on the OPW page if we want to encourage applicants. Reorganizing our website content and identifying things that we need (and starting to create those items with others), identifying things that are old and determining what might be good to reuse from them, etc, could be a good one. Flavia, what do you think? :D Does anyone want to be a mentor (or co-mentor)? karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/marketing-**listhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Fwd: INQUIRY
I was going through the wiki pages for our project and I found it a lot of work to decipher what projects to go for and what not. Also some things needs to be updated. We probably need to fix the landing wiki page. Secondly, web development is currently Christy Eller and Elena Petrevska, while Christy can be called upon when needed she is not involved on a day to day basis and Elena has no presence since her internship at all. Who can take over mentorship for web development? See here: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeLove/Mentors BTW KDE's page is quite good: https://community.kde.org/OutreachProgramForWomen sri -- Forwarded message -- From: Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com Date: Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:50 PM Subject: Re: INQUIRY To: Likhapha Molisana gracemolisana2...@gmail.com Cc: opw-l...@gnome.org Hi Likhapha, Thank you for your interest in the program! Please review projects in different organizations linked to from https://live.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen/2013/JuneSeptember/#Participating_Organizations A couple of them will have marketing projects. You can learn more about these organizations and projects, decide which one interests you the most, and contact the mentor for it directly. Thanks, Marina - Original Message - From: Likhapha Molisana gracemolisana2...@gmail.com To: opw-l...@gnome.org Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:15:30 AM Subject: INQUIRY I am LIkhapha Molisana from Lesotho, Southern Africa. I am very interested in Outreach Program for Women internship. I would like to apply for Marketing internship. So i would like to get a mentor who will help me so that i can start the process of applying. Humble Regards Likhapha Molisana Phone: (+266)58679068 ___ opw-list mailing list opw-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/opw-list ___ opw-list mailing list opw-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/opw-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing Meeting Tuesday 20:00 UTC
Agenda: * Annual Report * Marketing Hackfest * User Interviews * Conference coordination * Materials? template? * Old action items -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing hackfest planning page
Fabiana has created a planning page for the hackfest. Please read through it and add whatever you think we should discuss. What I think we shoudld do is get the bucket list and then start figuring out what the theme of the hackfest should be e.g. strategic vs tactical and then we can decide what goes in and what gets put off for a future date. Here is the link: https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/Marketing2013 sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
marketing meeting minutes
Here are the minutes for today's marketing meeting. Thanks to Fabiana for doing the minutes! https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/Marketing2013 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing meeting minutes
yep I sent a correction mail. Sorry about that. sri On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Sri, Thanks for sending those out. The actual URL, though, is this one: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingTeamMeetings/09APR2013 Fabiana On 04/09/2013 06:36 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Here are the minutes for today's marketing meeting. Thanks to Fabiana for doing the minutes! https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/Marketing2013 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fwd: Good day - re: new direction for Cinnarch
I have an idea that I think would be great for Cinnarch. I think having a distro involved in gnome initial setup other than Fedora would be excellent. They can provide alternative approaches or help implement the design in Cinnarch. Basically go all in as a complete GNOME distro. https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/InitialSetup For more details. I would like to see them get involved. Perhaps that is something to focus on? sri On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:22 AM, Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.comwrote: Hashem, I spoke directly with Alexandre (the Cinnarch project lead) after reading a post in the news section of the project web page - they've already made GNOME the default. Of course, nothing stops one from installing something else, it is still Arch underneath. Brett On Apr 12, 2013 11:58 PM, Hashem Nasarat hnasa...@gmail.com wrote: This site admin on their forum seemed against association with a particular desktop environment. Has anyone actually reached out to contact those involved? http://forum.cinnarch.com/viewtopic.php?f=13t=905#p2581 On 04/12/2013 07:32 AM, Brett Legree wrote: Good point Juanjo - we don't want to confuse people like that, and as Olav pointed out GNOME OS has other goals. I'll communicate with Alexandre and let him know; I am sure they'll come up with a new and unique name! Thanks for the feedback - Brett On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Juanjo Marin juanj.ma...@juntadeandalucia.es wrote: Hi ! I think GNOME Arch (Linux) can be more appropiated, because it explain quite well what it delivers :-) GNOME OS will be more confusing from my point of view, because people can think this particular distro is under the control of the GNOME project or something like, without mentioning that GNOME OS is the codename of the GNOME initiative to improve GNOME in serveral areas (developers, testing, etc). My two cents, -- Juanjo Marin PS: And GNOME Arch OS is also confusing because people can think that is a distro for archos.com devices :-) On 12/04/13 13:07, Brett Legree wrote: Good day all, I had a brief exchange with Alexandre of Cinnarch today - if you did not see my little note on IRC, they are moving to GNOME http://www.cinnarch.com/important-notice-the-future-of-cinnarch/ and seeking a new name. I thought since a few GNOME users are using Arch that it might be interesting if this became GNOME OS. Obviously I do not speak for GNOME (as I said in my email to Alexandre) but I thought I would throw the idea out there and see what people think. So, any thoughts? Yes, no, crazy... -Brett -- Forwarded message -- From: Alexandre Filgueira alexfilgue...@cinnarch.com Date: Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:35 AM Subject: Re: Good day - re: new direction for Cinnarch To: Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.com Hi Brett Well, becoming the GNOME OS would be fun, and I think, like you said, that using Arch as basis, it's the best option to GNOME to show the vanilla packages and the most up to date software. I'm ok with discussing this with gnome, if the answer is no we can always keep our usual work. I didn't contact the project and I don't know who to talk, so if you could help me present the idea would be great. Thanks for contacting me Cheers 2013/4/12 Brett Legree brett.leg...@gmail.com Hello, I am contacting you regarding the post on your new direction http://www.cinnarch.com/important-notice-the-future-of-cinnarch/ I am part of the GNOME Marketing Team, and thought I would put in my own thoughts. Quite a few GNOME users I know are using Arch due to the nature of the distro (rolling release, speed, pure packages, rapid updates to new software versions) and we talk from time to time about the concept of GNOME OS. Perhaps Cinnarch could become the GNOME OS. Now, I don't speak for GNOME, but I wonder if you contacted the project formally (I could find out who to ask) and made the suggestion whether it would be considered. Perhaps this would give you massive support and publicity if it came to pass. Thanks, let me know what you think, and if you need a hand I am willing to help. Brett Legree -- Juan José Marín Martínez Tlf: 956009437 (Corp. 409437) Móvil: 671596200 (Corp. 696200) Fax: 956009445 (Corp. 409445) Centro de Proceso de Datos. Delegación Territorial de Educación, Cultura y Deporte en Cádiz Consejería de Cultura y Deporte. Junta de Andalucía Antes de imprimir este correo electrónico piense bien si es necesario hacerlo: El medioambiente es cosa de todos. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Presentation
Welcome, Stafania - will you be doing design for Allan then or is it marketing? sri On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Stefania Guglielmi gullin...@hotmail.comwrote: Hello everyone! Just a quick message to present myself...My name is Stef and from today on I will collaborate with you and in the meantime I'm applying for the OPW. I talked to Allan and just wrote my first article for the newsfeed. How do I get it posted? Anything I can do to help, let me know! Really eager to start working! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Introducing myself
Welcome! :) If you can swing by #marketing on irc.gnome.org and introduce yourself! sri On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Likhapha Molisana gracemolisana2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I am Likhapha, I'm so excited to be part of marketing mailing list. i'm so passionate about marketing. Humble Regards Likhapha Molisana Phone: (+266)58679068 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing hackfest?
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Thu, April 4, 2013 10:20 am, Allan Day wrote: Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: As per Tobi's email, we should consider again whether to organize a marketing hackfest! Shaun has suggested co-locating with the docs sprint in Cincinatti June 17-19. ... What do people think? Would it be workable this time and if so would having it in June make sense? I'd love to get this scheduled! It's looking like scheduling around theJune 24-25 makes sense from looking at people's preferences. Allan do you know if you're unavailable from the 26th? Sri, could you add your availability? Certainly. June should be okay. But I have a cousin who is threatening to visit but he hasn't told me which dates. (or whether it happens at all) But schedule it and he can work around it I'm sure. July is also fine. I don't think I have anything scheduled at all. As for things that we could work on, there are a number of priority areas for me: * Marketing materials - we could use the opportunity to move our existing content over to OwnCloud and fill in any blanks * Updating the brand guidelines and move them to a restricted location (this would include elaborating them to cover things like visual style, colour schemes, etc) * Writing a GNOME mission statement Alright, sounds good. For some of these items, particularly the last one, we will need more expertise than the marketing team has. If we are going to tackle these tasks - and I think that a hackfest would be a good opportunity to do so - we should think about getting other people to the event, either from the GNOME community and/or specialists who can help us to articulate our message. These are the people we identified before as good people to help contribute: * Allan * Andreas * Emmanuele * Karen * Garrett * Jon McCann * Lucas Rocha * Vincent * Stormy * Sri * Jim Nelson (Yorba) * Guy Lunardi (Collabora) * John Sullivan (FSF) * Alex (Skud) Bayley * Nick Richards (formerly Intel) * Karl Fogel * Havoc Pennington How about some community managers from other groups like say Mozilla or Yocto? Both are full time positions. If we get the date settled, I can invite them, or we can even set up a call to discuss it, with some people in person. Anyone else to add? I don't have anyone that comes to mind at the moment. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Reminder: Marketing meeting Tuesday 23, 2013
Collecting Agenda: Please send me some Current ones: 1) Annual Report Status 2) Marketing Hackfest 3) OPW/GSOC projects - * https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/NewsRedesign (I don't think has been complete) so this is a possible * www.gnome.org reorganization for volunteer capture * live.gnome.org marketing reoganization - not up to date I think 4) Conference planning * Andreas and Fabiana to attent FLISOL (Latin American Free Software Installation Fest) in Rio, on the 27th of April. - what materials to send? * Action: They will need Live CDs and a set of GNOME Cheat Sheets. Previous Action items: -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing hackfest?
So all of July is likely out because I have no one to cover me while I'm gone. Best to have it in June if we can help it. Otherwise, I will deal with it. :-) sri On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for following up, Karen. Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: ... I'd love to get this scheduled! It's looking like scheduling around theJune 24-25 makes sense from looking at people's preferences. Allan do you know if you're unavailable from the 26th? ... My plans for those dates fell through, so I'm free in June. (I've updated the wiki page.) These are the people we identified before as good people to help contribute: * Allan * Andreas * Emmanuele * Karen * Garrett * Jon McCann * Lucas Rocha * Vincent * Stormy * Sri * Jim Nelson (Yorba) * Guy Lunardi (Collabora) * John Sullivan (FSF) * Alex (Skud) Bayley * Nick Richards (formerly Intel) * Karl Fogel * Havoc Pennington If we get the date settled, I can invite them, or we can even set up a call to discuss it, with some people in person. Anyone else to add? I'm fairly certain that we'll never get some of these people to a hackfest. Reaching out to some of them is a great idea though, and we should talk about other people we might want to invite. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing hackfest?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.comwrote: So, since Allan does not have to be back to the UK on the 26th, perhaps June 25-26 would work? That works for me. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing hackfest?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.comwrote: Hmm, my calendar is starting to get complicated again. Would it be a problem if we pushed it back a few days, do you think? (Just figuring out my options.) I'll be with Andreas in Denmark until the 23rd. Best-case scenario, we would make it to New York on the 24th - I would fly Copenhagen / Rio / New York and make it there mid-afternoon on the 24th, and Andreas would fly Copenhagen / New York and make it there late on the 23rd. For me, it would still be better to have the hackfest on the 25th, but I'll fly for 30h if it works better for everyone on the 24th :) You won't be much good to us if you're going to be flying 30 hours. :P Let's keep the goal in mind. :-) We can figure it out I am sure! sri On 04/22/2013 03:56 PM, Allan Day wrote: Fabiana Simões fabianapsim...@gmail.com wrote: So, since Allan does not have to be back to the UK on the 26th, perhaps June 25-26 would work? Hmm, my calendar is starting to get complicated again. Would it be a problem if we pushed it back a few days, do you think? (Just figuring out my options.) Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
some mockups for volunteer capture
So Tiffany has done some work with volunteer capture and has come up with some changes and is looking for your feedback. I have shared the files on owncloud. So please check it out. https://cloud.gnome.org/public.php?service=filest=3e66962411cd3c01445ebf8f61436fc9 https://cloud.gnome.org/public.php?service=filest=028cc10300ae7202649ec31093f4e8b2 I've shared it to the marketing team so if you're not part of that you might not able to see it. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Annual report workgroup April 30th - 19:00 UTC (or 20:00 UTC)
Hi folks, we want to finish off the annual report by the first week of May. I would like to get most of this done in teh following week with next Tuesday reserved for finishing it off. Thanks, let's get this out for everyone so they can see what we accomplished last year! sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
