[Marxism] Counter-revolutionary Leftwill again be with NATO
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == New from Linux Beach: Counter-revolutionary Leftwill again be with NATO http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2014/08/counter-revolutionary-leftwill-again-be.html This time it will be by their silence. Here's the situation: The rise as ISIS, a group that al Qaeda calls too extreme, and the connection of a British voice to the brutal beheading of James Foley, has caused the leaders of western imperialism to address the fact that many holders of European, British, Canada, Australian and American passports have gone to fight in Syria. This has in turn forced them to address the question of motivation: Why have thousands of young people from those countries given up relatively comfortable lives in the west to play /Lawrence of Arabia/ in the very land that Lawrence made a name for himself? Why have they joined the Arab revolt? And here they start to sound like idiots. They talk about the attraction of jihad and Internet brainwashing and everything else they can think of but in the end they can conjure up no good reasons why a sane person would risk his young life in a foreign land. The simple, and for them, unspeakable fact is that what motivates these recruits most is that having witnessed the valor and the suffering of the Syrian people on the Internet these past few years, a growing number have desired to come to the aid of the Syrian people and have taken up their cause. I think these foreign fighters in Syria have much in common with the internationalists that went to Spain to fight for the republic as the clouds where gathering for World War 2. Coincidentally, war clouds are gathering in Europe again. They were motivated by the cause of the republic, the courage of the revolutionaries, and the suffering of the Spanish people fighting against such uneven odds. It will ultimately save humanity that young people are willing time and again to put aside their fears and personal safety in the service of others. While its true that the Lincoln Brigade and groups like it came under relatively progressive leadership, whereas most of the young foreigners fighting in Syria have given themselves to very reactionary leadership, the motivations are quite similar, they want to intervene against Assad's murder of the children. It certainly isn't the fault of these young people that there is no /left/ or progressive road to Damascus, no /Lincoln Brigade,/ those that occupy the high ramparts of the /Left/ have seen to that. But for Muslim youth around the world the Islamists have put in place a highway that leads from the local mosque to the front-lines. Because they have mobilized for the Syrians while the Left has cheered on Assad, these reactionary jihadists have gained in strength while the /Left/ has been complete discredited in their eyes. [The Left is with Assad.] Of course, these commentators on CNN, Fox News and the like can't afford to talk about these more noble motivations for going to Syria and fighting with whoever claims to be fighting Assad, because then they would have to talk about what is really happening in Syria and try to explain why the murder of two hundred thousand people in three years in a relatively small country merited so little coverage. They can't do that. And the /anti-imperialist/ Left can't raise these points either because they are guilty of the same crimes as the bourgeoisie when it comes to Syria. Click here for a list of my other blogs on Syria http://claysbeach.blogspot.com//2012/12/my-syria-diaries_1014.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: US giving Syria intelligence on jihadists, sources say - Yahoo News
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Beirut (AFP) - The United States has begun reconnaissance flights over Syria and is sharing intelligence about jihadist deployments with Damascus through Iraqi and Russian channels, sources told AFP on Tuesday. The cooperation has already begun and the United States is giving Damascus information via Baghdad and Moscow, one source close to the issue said on condition of anonymity. full: http://news.yahoo.com/us-giving-syria-intelligence-jihadists-sources-145609735.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov: Politics, Praxis Personality | Head-Fixin'
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Review of Paul LeBlanc's Unfinished Leninism. http://headfixing.wordpress.com/2014/07/01/vladimir-ilyich-ulyanov-politics-praxis-personality/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Questions for Vijay Prashad
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 08/27/2014 02:04 PM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote: Does it mean to you that the state shouldn't be overthrown and that the Qaddafi regime should have been allowed to perfect its Green Book based state for at least another 60 years? Clay Did you listen to the interview with Vijay? Jon Flanders But the second reason I was opposed to U.S. andNATOforce was that by the time the Americans started talking about intervening, a third of Libya was out of Mr. Gaddafi’s hands. And I’ll give you a sense of this. If you traveled to Libya, Egypt and Syria prior to the Arab Spring, you would find something interesting. In Libya, since 1987, the military has been a wreck. There’s no morale. You know, you could walk in and out of a base without being asked questions. In other words, their military was a shambles. When Gaddafi’s son visited Benghazi a week into the rebellion, he came running back to Tripoli and said, you know, Papa, it’s over. We’ve lost Benghazi. You know, they essentially ceded that part of the country. Libya was going—Gaddafi’s rule was going to fall. There was no need forNATOintervention. In Egypt, the military is very powerful, but you will find something interesting. The soldiers have dark skin compared to the other Egyptians. They are recruited from upper Egypt. They are very disciplined, but they are not exactly with high morale. In Syria, the military has very high morale. You know, it has often been amazing to me. I keep wondering, why did the Turks and others believe that the Syrian regime was going to fall like the Libyan regime? They have completely different military structures, and the morale is completely different. So, the second reason I opposed intervention in Libya was it was inevitable that Gaddafi was going to lose power. Let the process take its own way. Let them fight a little bit. Let there be a political dialogue within the rebellion. Let them create alternative structures of power. If you just give the Libyan people a destroyed country, how are they going to build a future? And that was the real danger of aerial bombardment of the style the Americans conduct. They level countries and then tell people, Well, create a democracy. It doesn’t work like that. If the Libyans had been given three, four, eight months to fight against Gaddafi, already much weakened, I think a different outcome might have been possible. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Questions for Vijay Prashad
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Jon Flanders via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: In Libya, since 1987, the military has been a wreck. There’s no morale. You know, you could walk in and out of a base without being asked questions. In other words, their military was a shambles. That was true on most American military bases until a few weeks before September 11, 2001. (Cue conspiracy theorists here.) -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin’s Theory of Imperialism and the Rise of Russia as a Great Power
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Whatever value there is in this treatise, it is severely undermined by formulations such as this: -Finally we have the only consistent Marxist and revolutionary current, the Proletarian Internationalists to which the RCIT belongs. As Bolshevik-Communists they distinguish themselves from the other currents in their recognition of the imperialist character not only of the Western powers but also of Russia and China. From this they conclude that a consistent and intransigent approach against all these powers, one based on the Bolshevik’s program of “revolutionary defeatism,” is imperative for the workers’ movement.- Even if you believe it, you only appear foolish by stating it. I consider myself the world's leading Marxist comedian but would not be caught dead saying it. (Forget I just said that.) Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] A win for Gaza, for Palestine and Hamas
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Israel did not win. The Palestinian Authority did not win. Hamas did. Palestine did. Gaza?s people did. http://enpassant.com.au/2014/08/27/a-win-for-gaza-for-palestine-and-for-hamas/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fw: APOLOGY from Australians for Palestine for using images of Syrian children
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Below is the apology from Sonja Karkar from Australians for Palestine for inadvertently using a picture of Syrian children gassed to death in their sleep last year by Assad's chemical genocide to demonstrate the Zionist regime's mass killing of children in Gaza. Anyone who has seen the Australian this morning saw the horrible slander job done by Murdoch and the Zionist lobby against Sonja and AFP. I am certain that this was just an honest mistake and Sonja, an extremely dedicated person, had no intention of causing harm to either the Palestinian or Syrian people by using this image. I am a little disappointed, because I recognised the image as wring immediately, told Sonja, and she responded and thanked me and said it had already been pointed out and a correction will be made. She acknowledges that the error had been pointed out in her apology and says that Events overtook me and the correction email was never sent to our lists. Again this is entirely believable. But the damage is terrible. There are thousands of genuine images of massacred children from Gaza to use. Unfortunately, the Internet has been full of images of Syrian children massacred by the Assad regime being posted as images of Gaza (or as images of ISIS killings, or killings by Syrian rebel forces). Whoever is doing this on this larger scale I believe are not simply careless, but malicious. Their intent is to cause this kind of damage. Anyone can make an honest mistake, like AFP's, with one image, but no one without malicious intent posts around dozens of pictures of different conflicts and pretends they are from another one. This is done precisely in order to trap unsuspecting activists, and the enormous proliferation of this garbage is the reason why it was easy for AFP to fall into this trap. Anybody looking for images from Gaza needs to be on full alert and check any image via google images before sending it out. The proportion of bullshit images out there right now is sensational. MK From: Australians for Palestine Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:56 AM To: Michael Karadjis Subject: APOLOGY APOLOGY The Australian newspaper has made a scurrilous attempt today with the help of a Liberal MP Mr Luke Simpkins to suggest that Australians for Palestine was taking advantage of tragic child victims in Syria to blame Israel for atrocities committed in Gaza. In an earlier posting (10 August) to our email lists, I inadvertently used an image of dead children in Syria when I was intending to show children killed by Israel in Gaza. Palestinian Haitham Sabbah from the Sabbah Report pointed out the error. I apologised to the handful of others who also noticed and I apologise to everyone else now. Events overtook me and the correction email was never sent to our lists. There was no intention to deceive as is clear from my immediate response to Mr Simpkins. It was the picture that was wrong, not the report about Israel’s slaughter of Palestinian children. Suffice to say that there are umpteen images showing life and limb ripped from the innocents in Gaza. They are readily available on the internet. There is no need now to show them here. Children slaughtered anywhere is cause for grief. Most people do not want to see the horrific images. However, when people are being bombarded as the Palestinians certainly were by Israeli bombs, we need to report on the outrages as best we can. Those who wish to make mileage out of some wrong images being used cannot negate the realities on the ground. They are well documented in the media, medical teams working in Gaza and organisations like UNRWA and Amnesty International, amongst others. The statistics alone speak for the horrors and devastation that Israel has caused. We make no apology for reporting these crimes against a besieged and oppressed people. The world must know and Israel must be held accountable. Sonja Karkar Australians for Palestine Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: IS Network - Peering into the faultlines: a response to 'New faultlines in the Middle East: ISIS in a regional context'
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[Marxism] Fwd: In wake of war, leftist 'self-hating Jews' find a voice | The Times of Israel
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == A hostile but informative article. http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-wake-of-war-leftist-self-hating-jews-find-a-voice/#ixzz3BcBaXJmr Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Virginia Senator Thanks Syrian President Bashar Al Assad for Saving the Lives of Christians
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I see this was dated April 1st of this year. ken h http://www.perdana4peace.org/2014/virginia-senator-thanks-syrian-president-bashar-al-assad-for-saving-the-lives-of-christians/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
