[Marxism] Fwd: Syriza’s chief economist plots a radical Greek evolution within the eurozone | World news | The Guardian
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * John Milios’s phone rings a lot these days. There are hedge funds and financial institutions and investors, all curious to know what the German-trained professor thinks. As chief economist of Syriza, the far-left party that has sent markets into a tailspin as it edges ever closer to power in Greece, the academic has had a prominent role in devising the group’s financial manifesto. He is the first to concede the programme is radical. “I am a Marxist,” he says. “The majority [in Syriza] are.” Sipping green tea in his favourite Athens cafe, he explains: “Alternative approaches to the economy and society have been excluded by the dominant narrative of neoliberalism.” full; http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/23/syriza-john-milios-greece-eurozone _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: SYRIZA is Europe. SYRIZA is a Europe that is changing. | Australia-Greece Solidarity Campaign
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[Marxism] Just woke up to Paris Killings
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The news is just breaking here. I see conflict broke out on the list. I have no wish to add to it. Flame wars distress me now and I will not take part in one. But I feel the need to come out and say that I thought Richard Seymour's blog was magnificent and brave; very brave. The whole question of religion is a vexed one for us. I was reared a Northern Irish Catholic and hate Catholicism with all my heart. Often unbearably and irrationally so. But I have earned the right to that hatred. Still on the rare occasions when I meet with the particular objects of my loathing -the Catholic clergy, I act politely now. Nothing is served by acting otherwise. If some Jewish people came up to me and said Happy Hanukkah I would be polite and answer them in the same vein. I have not earned the right to tell them to bugger off. Though again I think politeness should prevail. But if some Jewish person did snap and say Bugger off I would understand that. Like everyone else I condemn the killings in Paris with all my being, but is it beyond us to ask what good is served by mocking and ridiculing people's beliefs? Is politeness and respect beyond us? Are we letting a bunch of thugs become our teachers? comradely Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Alexis Tsipras: we want debt relief and the Elgin Marbles | Paul Mason | Paul Mason
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Re: [Marxism] Just woke up to Paris Killings
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On FB a bunch of people are saying they will unsub from Jacobin over Seymour's piece. This inspired me to subscribe. Given the comments I saw, I was amazed that some of these people subbed to it in the first place. Evidently this incident is turning over a rock on the left and all sorts of creatures are crawling out. Jon Flanders Like everyone else I condemn the killings in Paris with all my being, but is it beyond us to ask what good is served by mocking and ridiculing people's beliefs? Is politeness and respect beyond us? Are we letting a bunch of thugs become our teachers? comradely Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
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Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Agreed, Joe. Here's Shane's punchline: Exterminate all the brutes! Moderator, do your thing, call an end to it. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Joseph Catron via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Yes, yes, Shane. You don't like Muslims (all of whom use the phrase Allahu Akhbar) and consider them scum. We all get it, okay? What I'm curious about is how long the moderators will tolerate this transparent race-baiting. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Shane Mage via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: By accusing the victims of the allahu-akbarist scum as racists you are solidarizing yourself with the Freedom Fighter Nazis. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Moderator's note
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 1/7/15 3:46 PM, Shane Mage via Marxism wrote: Ah, but opium, used right, is a very valuable drug! I have removed Shane Mage from the Marxism list. When I tell you that six times is enough. And then repeat the word enough in upper-case, that means you should take me seriously. Shane has been hanging out here for a decade or so on and off and I have never seen anything out of him except 2 or 3 sentence provocations. And this was a guy who wrote a seminal PhD dissertation on Marx's value theory. They say that LSD fried his brain. Who knows. Whatever the explanation, I am sick and tired of his fooling around here. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * i respect Shane Mage's personal history and contributions as part of the left (take that Shane). i appreciate his acerbic comments when he thinks someone is being irrational, i.e. seeming to confuse a religion with a 'race.' I agree with Louis that Shane doesn't need to repetitively make the same point in responding to every single contribution to a discussion. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 1/7/15 2:48 PM, Joseph Catron via Marxism wrote: What I'm curious about is how long the moderators will tolerate this transparent race-baiting. I am recovering from the flu right now and don't have much energy to rein this in. Shane's Islamophobia is pretty well established at this point. Furthermore, he has never once shown any interest in actually persuading anybody on Marxmail about anything but uses this forum to get attention paid to his snarky, one or two sentence trolling expeditions. What a waste of a Columbia University doctorate in economics, to play the crank on a mailing list of 1500 people looking for in-depth and substantive analysis. Shane: you have posted six times today on this. That is enough. ENOUGH. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ options/marxism/daynegoodwin%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Jan 7, 2015, at 3:23 PM, John Obrien via Marxism wrote: Opposing religion and religious fanatics - is not racist to many atheists as myself. Why not be open and state you favor Islam, or some other religious superstition and why you favor censorship of atheists on a Marxist List? Who wrote: Religion is the opium of the people Ah, but opium, used right, is a very valuable drug! _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * It's nice to read Richard Seymour's post but also distressing to see the kind of garbage that is posted in response both by leftists like Shane and the commentators on the website itself. It's not new to see leftists dismissing the scourge of Islamophobia, or even having difficulty understanding what it is, as though the campaign (crusade?) against Islam in France and in some parts of the United States is anything but a racialized campaign to scapegoat migrants or drum up war propaganda. It is the counter to the campaign by many on the right (and too many on the left) to find anti-Semitism wherever Israel's barbarism is rightfully singled out, or whenever the larger issue of Jewish integration into the West (and Muslim, African, and other exclusion) is brought up. With all the barrage of sentiments about protecting freedom of speech, it's a wonder nobody has brought up the fact that Muslims in France are barred from wearing certain types of clothing on exclusively cultural grounds, that they are targeted mercilessly by police, that hate speech laws are used to target their community rather than to protect it, and perhaps most embarrassingly that the French government had the gall to threaten jail sentences against anyone who dared protest this summer's Gaza massacre of Muslims. Note also how in Norway, few saw the right-wing terror attack on student democracy activists at a political summer camp by Anders Breivik (originally blamed on the Muslims) as an attack on freedom of speech, but instead reduced it to the attitude of a crazy person -- as though his ideas were anything but the result of far-right anti-Muslim activism that one would think threatens the freedom of Muslims, immigrants, left-wing activists, political freedom, etc. Freedom of speech, like terrorism, is not an objective term despite attempts by theorists to come up with objective definitions. Culturally and legally, both terms are used by the dominant classes to frame that which is worth protecting and that which is threatening. And no, I am not criticizing the sympathy with the journalists killed, I think it goes without saying that what was done was atrocious and deserves condemnation from all quarters. I am criticizing the narrative. - Amith On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Shane Mage via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Jan 7, 2015, at 3:23 PM, John Obrien via Marxism wrote: Opposing religion and religious fanatics - is not racist to many atheists as myself. Why not be open and state you favor Islam, or some other religious superstition and why you favor censorship of atheists on a Marxist List? Who wrote: Religion is the opium of the people Ah, but opium, used right, is a very valuable drug! _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Yes, yes, Shane. You don't like Muslims (all of whom use the phrase Allahu Akhbar) and consider them scum. We all get it, okay? What I'm curious about is how long the moderators will tolerate this transparent race-baiting. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Shane Mage via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: By accusing the victims of the allahu-akbarist scum as racists you are solidarizing yourself with the Freedom Fighter Nazis. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Two items on the Cuban 5
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * These two were sent to me by a friend who has been involved in the campaign for the Cuban 5 ken h Arrival in Cuba, Spanish with English subtitles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVU85akrIXE Creative and fun http://www.voicesforthefive.com/news/article/160/llama-time-talking-llama-explains-the-case-of-the-cuban-five-on-new-telesur-english The unjust case of the Cuban Five and its background was the focus of an innovative new show on recently launched TeleSUR English TV last Friday. The short segment is called ‘Llama Time’ – and is one of four weekly instalments hosted by Pakistani writer and historian Tariq Ali. Larry the talking llama intends to engage audiences in an informative yet entertaining way. The voice of Larry the Llama is UK actor Andy De La Tour, one of many Voices whose video-message in support of the Five is available on our website, who said: “Llamas are renowned for their straight-talking if laid-back style so the job was perfect for me. Importantly the campaign for justice for the Miami Five is one close to my heart.” TeleSUR English was established just three weeks ago as the English language service of pan-Latin television network TeleSUR. Offering a Latin American perspective on world events to viewers throughout the globe, it aims to combine “a rapid response, the other point of view, the other stories that the international media don’t discuss, with all the analysis, context and opinion”. (With information from the Venezuelan News Agency.) Have you got photos or videos for the Five? Tweet us @voices4the5 or email us your own contributions. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Well that quote goes along with other verbiage - e.g. .sigh of the oppressed creature which changes the connotation. - Original Message -From: John Obrien via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Who wrote: Religion is the opium of the people -- _Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htmSet your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/srobin21%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] 11 dead in shooting at satirical paper in Paris, police say
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I think Charlie Hebdo has partly gone down the Christopher Hitchen’s road since 9/11, trading in Islamophobia: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/charlie-hebdo-editor-in-chief-on-muhammad-cartoons-a-856891.html http://www.as4b.info/bivouac-id/bivouac-id/billets/les-nouvelles-caricatures-de-charlie-hebdo/index.html Not, of course, that this in any way condones the horrible attack that has taken place. Website: http://filmint.nu/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/FilmInt Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/FilmInt 7 jan 2015 kl. 13:04 skrev Charles Faulkner via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Shots-fired-at-French-satirical-paper-say-5998831.php i don't know of francois cavanna or the paper charlie hebdo. wikipedia describes it as left wing. any shared insight is appreciated. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/daniel.lindvall%40filmint.nu _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * i respect Shane Mage's personal history and contributions as part of the left (take that Shane). i appreciate his acerbic comments when he thinks someone is being irrational, i.e. seeming to confuse a religion with a 'race.' I agree with Louis that Shane doesn't need to repetitively make the same point in responding to every single contribution to a discussion. i think this comment by Shane is a contribution to discussion, not just a repetition... On Jan 7, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: Shane's Islamophobia is pretty well established at this point. Since I have never, ever, in my life said anything even implying that islam is in any way more objectionable, or more to be feared, than christianity or judaism, the accusation of Islamophobia is just another insult, nothing more. and Andrew Pollak, who cheers when his Syrian cohorts yell allahu akbar (and who of course was capable of no response to my criticism of his one-liner endorsing Seymour's slander of the victims) instructed him: Moderator, do your thing, call an end to it. and was obeyed: Shane: you have posted six times today on this. That is enough. ENOUGH. No it ain't. A dialogue has gone on long enough only when every point raised has been actually argued. Who has raised an argument that muslims are a race? or that racism is a term with any applicability to people who neither are a race nor are looked on by anybody as such? Who has actually defended the proposition that there is ever anything wrong about ridiculing the fetish figures of a religion? Who has offered any justification for the use of slanderous language against the victims of a monstrous crime? Only those unable to defend their words cry, like an Anytus, for an end to it. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Actually surpirsed at the poverty of this piece. While, as usual, Seymore manages to say in 500 words what should be said in 20, all he tells us is: I don't like these liberals pretending to be leftists and well the security state is the enemy. Seriously? No shit. But against the security state but for what? Strategic alliances with Islamists? Oh wait, that was tried already and they got George Galloway...how's that working out now? http://www.leninology.co.uk/2015/01/charlie-hebdo.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Diana Johnstone on the Paris massacre
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/07/what-to-say-when-you-have-nothing-to-say/ ...I never liked the provocative covers of Charlie Hebdo, where the cartoons insulting the Prophet – or for that matter Jesus – tended to be displayed. A matter of taste. I don’t consider scatological, obscene drawings to be effective arguments, whether against religion or authority in general. [But] freedom of the press is also freedom to be vulgar and stupid from time to time. Charlie Hebdo was not in reality a model of freedom of speech. It has ended up, like so much of the “human rights left”, defending U.S.-led wars against “dictators”. In 2002, Philippe Val, who was editor in chief at the time, denounced Noam Chomsky for anti-Americanism and excessive criticism of Israel and of mainstream media. ...Charlie Hebdo was an extreme example of what is wrong with the “politically correct” line of the current French left. The irony is that the murderous attack by the apparently Islamist killers has suddenly sanctified this fading expression of extended adolescent revolt, which was losing its popular appeal, into the eternal banner of a Free Press and Liberty of Expression. Whatever the murderers intended, this is what they have achieved. Along with taking innocent lives, they have surely deepened the sense of brutal chaos in this world, aggravated distrust between ethnic groups in France and in Europe, and no doubt accomplished other evil results as well. In this age of suspicion, conspiracy theories are certain to proliferate. ### _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] France: barbaric and reactionary madness
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[Marxism] Fwd: FABIO BELAFATTI: ORIENTALISM REANIMATED | Zbigniew Marcin Kowalewski
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Practically all those who defend Russia in this debate fell into this trap. Reading many of the articles that accuse the West of “causing” the Ukrainian chaos by “provoking” Russia in its strategic interests and wounding its pride of great power, it’s clear how the authors write from a distorted, hierarchical and, ultimately, orientalist (if not outright racist) perspective on the small countries of Eastern Europe. When a commentator claims that Russia feels threatened by the advance of NATO in Eastern Europe or Ukraine’s approach to the EU, he’s basically implying that Russia does indeed have an inalienable right to claim rights in the region, as if Eastern Europe was nothing but a tool to compensate Russia’s unresolved inferiority complexes. Pro-Russian commentators implicitly deny Ukraine the very dignity of active subject in the whole issue, thus even denying its relevance as an independent state. [1] The idea that Russian actions are legitimate reactions to the interference of “outsiders” in a region seen as “Russian” is nothing but a 2.0 expression of the same imperialist mentality with which Europeans empires split the Middle East. This is all the more surprising as it often comes from people who embrace ostensibly anti-imperialist positions in any other context. In their writings, Eastern Europe is a passive object on which Moscow is the only one actor (in the Latin sense of “doer”) entitled to operate, with no concern for smaller, local figures. full: http://zmkowalewski.pl/?page_id=413 _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Ed George via Marxism wrote: http://www.leninology.co.uk/2015/01/charlie-hebdo.html Seymour makes polite noises deploring mass murder--and then slanders the victims as racist because...because...oh, because they are disrespectful of a reactionary ideology that, though it is professedly a RELIGION, he identifies as a race. Well, Seymour, if Charlie Hebdo is racist then these allahu-akbar-ist Freedom Fighters are antiracists just like you are. So your slander of their victims explains itself, as an act of antiracist solidarity. Shane Mage L'après-vie, c'est une auberge espagnole. L'on n'y trouve que ce qu'on a apporté. Bardo Thodol _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] With Greece for Europe
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * With Greece for Europe Why we need to support the Greek Left now Introduction Greece has been at the centre of the Euro crisis for years. Nowhere else in the Eurozone is the economic crisis deeper and the social situation worse. The austerity measures imposed by the government and the Troika are aiming to fundamentally change the distribution of wealth and the relations of power within Greek society, especially between labour and capital. These policies have reflected back on the rest of the Eurozone, e.g. through the Fiscal compact in 2012 or the Competitiveness pact discussed since early 2013. Greece can therefore be seen as the laboratory for the neoliberal restructuring of Europe as a whole. The political experiments the Greek society is put through may be more radical than elsewhere, but at least indirectly affect everyone in the Eurozone and the EU. At the same time, Greece is the country where the chances for a party of the Left, SYRIZA, to get into power are biggest. Five years ago, SYRIZA barely managed to pass the threshold of votes required to enter parliament. Today they are the main opposition force, leading the polls by a large gap. A SYRIZA government would be the first and only one in the Eurozone to openly oppose the austerity policies and the neoliberal restructuring described above. The elections which could make this possible will be held in 2016 at the latest, but are widely expected to take place in early 2015. These prospects have made Greece the major place of hope for leftists and those fighting austerity across Europe. In this sense, the importance of SYRIZA’s struggle goes beyond Greece: If they manage to get into power and implement their policies, this will open spaces for left alternatives all over Europe. If they should fail, the Left in Europe may lose credibility and hope for a long time. Thus, the question of how we can contribute to a political change in Greece and in extension Europe is the main focus of this paper. We should make use of this historic moment the best we can. full: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zv2t6vaxg3rluop/mittendreinschwarz_withgreeceforeurope_2014_eng.pdf _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * brilliant and very necessary On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Ed George via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.leninology.co.uk/2015/01/charlie-hebdo.html http://readingmarx.wordpress.com/ @edwardbgeorge _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Rejection of religious fundamentalism may or may not be a ”left position (depending on what secret definition you have of the meaningless word left) but to call it race baiting is to solidarize with the allahu-akbarist Nazis Yes, but these caricatures (at least the Mohamed ones) aren’t aimed at ”religious fundamentalism” but Islam in general. And given the dominance of Islam in the Arab world such caricatures can’t really be understood as anything else than a more or less blanket condemnation aimed at Arab culture by European ”ex-colonialists”. (Of course, there is a huge difference between the Mohamed caricatures and those of someone like Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi.) _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/daniel.lindvall%40filmint.nu _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Daniel Lindvall wrote: Rejection of religious fundamentalism may or may not be a ”left position (depending on what secret definition you have of the meaningless word left) but to call it race baiting is to solidarize with the allahu-akbarist Nazis Yes, but these caricatures (at least the Mohamed ones) aren’t aimed at ”religious fundamentalism” but Islam in general. And given the dominance of Islam in the Arab world such caricatures can’t really be understood as anything else than a more or less blanket condemnation aimed at Arab culture Condemnation of ANY visual depiction of a semi-deified fetish object (iconoclasm) like a Prophet or Savior is THE primary exemplar of ”religious fundamentalism.” What do you mean Arab World or Arab Culture? There are no such things!! This is the logic: by equating a form of *superstitio* to a whole race (the Arabs) you make any satire of that *superstitio* into a form of racism, enabling you to solidarize with the allahu- akbarist Freedom Fighters (using disagreement with their methods as alibi) by slandering their victims. Shane Mage L'après-vie, c'est une auberge espagnole. L'on n'y trouve que ce qu'on a apporté. Bardo Thodol _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * on Mittwoch, 7. Januar 2015 at 19:09, Charles Faulkner (Lacenaire!) via Marxism wrote: i question charlie hebdo's motivations in publishing the cartoons and subsequently any claim they have to being of the left. Charlie Hebdo used to have the sub-title bête et méchant, which I translate as stupid and vicious. The copy which I shortly saw on the telly today had the line periodique irresponsable, irresponsabel periodical. They just enjoy to make fun of other people, and to humiliate them. They do (or should we say now did?) know that sex sells, and used it, and they also knew that making fun of the victims of French colonialism sells. Marine Le Pen of the fascist Front National took of course the occasion to assign the responsability for the attack to islamism. Listening to here hate speech on www.frontnational.com or Youtube, hearing her speaking of crimes not committed for so many decades, the massaker came to my ming, the attack on Arabs demonstrating for freedom in the Algerian city of Setif by French colonial troops, on the same May 8, 1945, when in Europe the unconditional capitulation of the German imperialist army was signed. And the torture by the same French colonial troops later during the liberation war for Algeria. And many other crimes. Cheers, Lüko Willms _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Islam HAS been racialized. There is a reason the cartoons depicting Muslims do not depict the diversity of the religion but instead a racist caricature. It is beyond dumbfounding how someone can not see that when it is so clearly in front of their face. Tristan. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * on Mittwoch, 7. Januar 2015 at 16:42, Ed George via Marxism wrote: http://www.leninology.co.uk/2015/01/charlie-hebdo.html Thank you. The call to be calm and sober is so much missing on the Corporate News Networks only spreading Faux News. Cheers, Lüko Willms _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Special to The Los Angeles Times: Political Cartooning is Almost Worth Dying For
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Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Jan 7, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Tristan Sloughter via Marxism wrote: the cartoons depict a racist caricature. By accusing the victims of the allahu-akbarist scum as racists you are solidarizing yourself with the Freedom Fighter Nazis. It is beyond dumbfounding how someone can not see that when it is so clearly in front of their face. Indeed! Shane Mage L'après-vie, c'est une auberge espagnole. L'on n'y trouve que ce qu'on a apporté. Bardo Thodol _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Jan 7, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote: on Mittwoch, 7. Januar 2015 at 19:09, Charles Faulkner (Lacenaire!) via Marxism wrote: i question charlie hebdo's motivations in publishing the cartoons and subsequently any claim they have to being of the left. They just enjoy to make fun of other people, and to humiliate them. They do (or should we say now did?) know that sex sells, and used it, and they also knew that making fun of the victims of French colonialism sells. Another leftist jumps to slander the victims and thus to justify and solidarize himself with the allahu-akbarists. Shane Mage L'après-vie, c'est une auberge espagnole. L'on n'y trouve que ce qu'on a apporté. Bardo Thodol _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I've lost the place in the thread where there are links to examples of the magazine's Islamophobia. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Shane Mage via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Charles Faulkner via Marxism wrote: aside from the platitudes to decency in protecting free speech, as richard pointed out, what claim does such a paper have to being left when it engages in rather obvious race baiting? Rejection of religious fundamentalism may or may not be a left position (depending on what secret definition you have of the meaningless word left) but to call it race baiting is to solidarize with the allahu-akbarist Nazis. am i just preaching to the choir? to the choir, no doubt, in the synagogue of Satan. Shane Mage L'après-vie, c'est une auberge espagnole. L'on n'y trouve que ce qu'on a apporté. Bardo Thodol _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
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Actually it was Richard who made the charge, which is one reason I liked
his column. Because if he's right that amends how we discuss this case.
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andrew, if i contributed to a misunderstanding, i apologize. i don't know
if charlie hebdo is islamophobist or not. i don't really even like that
term and try not to use it.
separately, i looked at some of their cartoons and found them provocative
at best. given the large arab muslim population in france, i consider
their publishing of them to be race baiting, just as i would find klan
cartoon depictions of black religious practices race baiting in selma,
alabama. nevermind that i am not religious, believe religion to be a great
blight and might even privately laugh at satiric depictions of religion.
most people are religious and there is little to gain in rubbing their
nose in their folly. at best it's bad manners.
and yes, i question charlie hebdo's motivations in publishing the cartoons
and subsequently any claim they have to being of the left.
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I've lost the place in the thread where there are links to examples of the
magazine's Islamophobia.
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On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Charles Faulkner via Marxism wrote:
aside from the platitudes to decency in protecting free speech, as
richard pointed out, what claim does such a paper have to being left
when
it engages in rather obvious race baiting?
Rejection of religious fundamentalism may or may not be a left position
(depending on what secret definition you have of the meaningless word
left) but to call it race baiting is to solidarize with the
allahu-akbarist Nazis.
am i just preaching to the choir?
to the choir, no doubt, in the synagogue of Satan.
Shane Mage
L'après-vie, c'est une auberge espagnole. L'on n'y trouve que ce qu'on a
apporté.
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[Marxism] Climatologists Balk as Brazil Picks Skeptic for Key Post
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * NY Times, Jan. 7 2015 Climatologists Balk as Brazil Picks Skeptic for Key Post By SIMON ROMERO RIO DE JANEIRO — Calling Aldo Rebelo a climate-change skeptic would be putting it mildly. In his days as a fiery legislator in the Communist Party of Brazil, he railed against those who say human activity is warming the globe and called the international environmental movement “nothing less, in its geopolitical essence, than the bridgehead of imperialism.” Though many Brazilians have grown used to such pronouncements from Mr. Rebelo, 58, his appointment this month as minister of science by President Dilma Rousseff is causing alarm among climate scientists and environmentalists here, a country that has been seeking to assert leadership in global climate talks. “At first I thought this was some sort of mistake, that he was playing musical chairs and landed in the wrong chair,” said Márcio Santilli, a founder of Instituto Socioambiental, one of Brazil’s leading environmental groups. “Unfortunately, there he is, overseeing Brazilian science at a very delicate juncture when Brazil’s carbon emissions are on the rise again.” Brazil won plaudits for lowering its annual emissions from 2004 to 2012, largely by slowing the rate of deforestation in the Amazon. But emissions jumped 7.8 percent in 2013, according to the Climate Observatory, a network of environmental organizations. Several factors were to blame, the observatory said: deforestation on the rise again, growing use of power plants that burn fossil fuels, and increased consumption of gasoline and diesel. Ms. Rousseff, a leader of the leftist Workers Party, has been speaking strongly about the need to reduce carbon emissions around the world, raising hopes that Brazil will work harder to preserve much of its Amazon rain forest. The destruction of tropical forests is viewed as a major contributor to climate change. But Mr. Rebelo’s appointment comes as some scientists are questioning Brazil’s commitment to reducing deforestation and emissions. Environmentalists have also expressed concern over Ms. Rousseff’s new minister of agriculture, Kátia Abreu, a combative supporter of industrial-scale farming who worked with Mr. Rebelo on a recent overhaul of Brazil’s forest protection laws. “Old-line Communist Rebelo is on exactly the same page on climate science as the hardest of the hard-core Tea Partiers,” Stephan Schwartzman, director of tropical forest policy at the United States-based Environmental Defense Fund, said in a blog post. Before the international climate talks that were held in Lima, Peru, in December, the Brazilian government said that the rate of deforestation in the Amazon had declined by 18 percent in the period from August 2013 to August 2014. But analysts said the government had tailored its announcement to exclude a recent resurgence in deforestation. Imazon, a Brazilian institute that uses satellite imagery to track the issue, saw a fourfold increase in November compared with the same month in 2013. Mr. Rebelo, who was sports minister during Ms. Rousseff’s first term as president, has not distanced himself from his earlier statements about climate science, including his assertion that “there is no scientific proof of the projections of global warming, much less that it is occurring because of human action.” But in a speech last week at his swearing-in ceremony, he said the science ministry would be guided by the government’s established positions on climate change. “The controversy in relation to global warming exists independent of my view,” he told reporters. “I follow the debate, as is my duty as a public figure.” _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
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Re: [Marxism] Lenin's Tomb on Charlie Hebdo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Charles Faulkner via Marxism wrote: aside from the platitudes to decency in protecting free speech, as richard pointed out, what claim does such a paper have to being left when it engages in rather obvious race baiting? Rejection of religious fundamentalism may or may not be a left position (depending on what secret definition you have of the meaningless word left) but to call it race baiting is to solidarize with the allahu-akbarist Nazis. am i just preaching to the choir? to the choir, no doubt, in the synagogue of Satan. Shane Mage L'après-vie, c'est une auberge espagnole. L'on n'y trouve que ce qu'on a apporté. Bardo Thodol _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
