Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Brexit was fueled by irrational xenophobia, not realeconomic grievances - Vox

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This piece is also very close to my own argument in regards to  the torrent of 
crass articles on Brexit:

https://mappingimmigrationcontroversy.com/2016/06/29/on-the-misuses-of-sunderland-as-brexit-symbol/

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[Marxism] Fwd: Book Review: The Fall of the Turkish Model by Cihan Tugal

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[Marxism] Fwd: EDITOR'S NOTE The Withering of the State | The Brooklyn Rail

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By Paul Mattick Jr.

http://brooklynrail.org/2016/06/field-notes/the-withering-of-the-state
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Brexit was fueled by irrational xenophobia, not realeconomic grievances - Vox

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Boston, Lincolnshire returned the highest leave vote per capita in the uk: 
http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7639

Boston has one of the highest rates of inward immigration per capita in the uk:
http://www.bostontarget.co.uk/latest-immigration-figures-shock-lincolnshire/story-27694094-detail/story.html

Immigration in Boston has lowered wages and made housing less affordable:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36258541

This is borne out nationally in a new report by the Bank of England:
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/research/Documents/workingpapers/2015/swp574.pdf

I have no interest in endorsing these arguments; my point is that regardless of 
whether or not they are accurate in terms of wage pressure - and one can easily 
find studies and articles that disagree - they would still fail to 
satisfactorily account for the EU referendum result as a whole. For example, 
there are many places in the North and North West with high immigrant 
populations (Bradford West for example) that voted to leave:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36616673

The author of the Vox article makes an apriori assumption about voter 
motivation and then superimposes it on 17.4 million people. This is not to deny 
immigration wasn’t a major factor in the debate. It was. But if it explained 
everything, as the Vox article would contend, then surely we would have seen a 
similar number vote ukip at the general election for example. Instead, less 
than a quarter of that number did so. My point is that rather than 
dichotomising the economy and immigration, as much of the commentary has in 
line with the notion Remain campaigned on the former and Leave on the latter, 
Marxists in particular should at least make a stab at understanding their 
multivalent interconnections. Better articles, including many from the Guardian 
(the EUs biggest cheerleader), at least have managed to do so (the first link 
is to a Paul Mason piece): 

https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/what-drove-brexit-osbornomics-9ab448e54bb9#.56s17a71f

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/26/brexit-is-the-rejection-of-globalisation

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/jun/28/the-privilege-of-the-elite-fuelled-the-anger-of-the-leave-voters

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/30/brexit-disaster-decades-in-the-making

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/29/key-lesson-of-brexit-globalisation-must-work-for-all-of-britain

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2016/jun/30/labour-is-partly-to-blame-for-the-racists-capture-of-the-eu-debate

Another point of interest, that I can’t now find the figures for, is that of 
the four or five boroughs in London that voted Leave (against the tide) 
perfectly maps onto those places where people are at most risk of eviction. 
Finally, this article responds well to the problems with the lazy Vox article 
and those similar:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/28/the-neoliberal-prison-brexit-hysteria-and-the-liberal-mind/



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That’s not the only reason to believe Brexit was about xenophobia.

Torsten Bell, director of the UK economic think tank Resolution 
Foundation, set out to test the hypothesis that "areas hardest hit by 
the financial crisis, or those where migration is said to have held down 
wages, voted heavily to leave."

In other words, he tested the exact argument the pro-Leave camp is 
making: that people who voted to leave made a rational decision based on 
the real economic effects they’ve suffered from the rise in immigration. 
If that were the case, you’d expect places that have gotten poorer in 
the past decade (when mass migration took off) would have been the 
places that voted most heavily to leave the EU.

But that’s not what Bell found. In fact, he found no correlation at all 
between areas where wages have fallen since 2002 and the share of votes 
for Leave in the referendum

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http://www.vox.com/2016/6/25/12029786/brexit-uk-eu-immigration-xenophobia
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[Marxism] on time and the anti-Corbyn coup

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Lenin's remark *'There are decades* where nothing happens; and there are
weeks where decades happen.' would seem to fit the situation in the UK
perfectly. The separation of political time from chronological time was
startling in the extreme.

But there seems now to be something of a desperate attempt to reunite
political and chronological time.  The Labour Party plotters now declare
they are happy to wait and they tell us that they are getting feed back
that Corbyn's support in the country is weakening. That is a cover, I feel,
for their lack of a Plan B.

Plan A seems to have been to get Hilary Benn to provoke Corbyn into sacking
him and then to unleash the staggered series of resignations from the
cabinet.  This succeeded brilliantly and the Parliamentary Labour Party
cascaded behind the plotters.  But Corbyn refused to budge and the plotters
and the sheep following them passed the motion of no confidence. Again
Corbyn refused to budge under the most enormous pressure.

That left the plotters in a dilemma.  It became clear that if it went to a
vote in the country then Corbyn would win. So now we have rumors of
alternative candidates, who hesitate to challenge.  The Blairite candidate
Eagle is about to have an embarrassing moment when the Chilcott report into
the Iraq war is released.  She voted for the war.

It is my guess from this distance, that the upping of the political
temperature caused by the Brexit result, has actually worked for Corbyn.
The size and intensity of the rally to support him seems to have spooked
his enemies.  The Scottish Labour MP asked Corbyn to "call off his dogs".
But such requests show that Corbyn is the only one with "dogs"!

For me the key is that the Unions have asserted themselves and have
declared for Corbyn. That plus a popular movement among the young, would be
enough to win him any contest.

So what happens now? The plotters can press the split button, but I don't
think they will. Their base is in the media and that would guarantee them
some success. But like the plotters and splitters of 1981, they would
eventually be reeled in, and they know it.  The so-called moderates around
Watson, the deputy leader, have mooted a "compromise" candidate. That does
not seem to work. We would appear to have stasis.

That won't last of course. But what happens next is anyone's guess.

In the mean time the "blond Beast", Boris Johnson ,has fallen on his sword
and announced he will not contest the leadership of  the Tory Party. I will
content myself with dismissing him as a ruling class libertarian twit. But
his resignation does show that political time is still in hyper drive.

comradely

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Re: [Marxism] Immigration

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I highly recommend this article by John Hathaway about the nature of the
international immigration system and how it is designed to concentrate
"excess" populations in war-torn regions. It is old but fairly thorough.
Comrades can e-mail me off-list if they would like to borrow a PDF copy.

http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/hilj31=13==



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On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism <
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> "...the vote to leave [was a] defeat of an attempt to rule 500 million
> people with what amounted to a capitalist dictatorship, that was anti union
> and anti working class, as a victory for democracy and equality in Europe,
> and a rare blow, struck by ordinary people, without any very strong
> leadership, against the very powerful global forces of international
> supranational capitalism, against all the odds..." [Gregory Motton]
>
>
> > On Jun 30, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism <
> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
> >
> > This is not about workers stealing jobs. It is about people trying to
> escape violence and starvation in war-torn countries. The EU makes it
> possible for refugees to live in safety. Just look at the charts here:
> >
> > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911
> >
> > Most came from Syria with 475,000 people applying for political asylum,
> with Afghanistan the runner-up.
> >
> > Nigel Farage did not campaign around jobs being taken away by
> immigrants. He campaigned about dark-skinned people swarming across
> Britain. Just look at the poster here:
> >
> >
> http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/16/nigel-farage-defends-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants
> >
> > As Doug Henwood pointed out on PEN-L, "It is not a fact that immigration
> drives down wages. The most depressed areas in England are the ones with
> the fewest immigrants, not the most (and those are the ones that were the
> most pro-Brexit)."
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Re: [Marxism] 3 Articles in Black Agenda Report on "Good News of Brexit"

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On 06/30/2016 02:49 PM, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote:

I believe this was true in the case of the United Farm Workers and undocumented 
Mexican workers.


Actually Chavez was not so good on the undocumented. He initially 
sponsored a vicious campaign against illegals. Later this policy was 
modified, I understand.


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[Marxism] 3 Articles in Black Agenda Report on "Good News of Brexit"

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Andrew Pollack said (in part):
But this is not to deny - and Lenin never did - that the bosses try to use
immigrant against "native" labor..A prerequisite for
fighting such efforts at division was the recognition that it existed.


Ken Hiebert replies;
I agree and would like to expand on the point.  The only way for labor to 
overcome this problem is to embrace the poorer workers being using to undercut 
them.
I believe this was true in the case of the United Farm Workers and undocumented 
Mexican workers.

This was also true in the history of coal mining struggles in British Columbia. 
 At first, white coal miners were inclined to attack Chinese coal miners.  It 
was socialists in their ranks who led them to embrace and fight alongside the 
Chinese miners.  This story is told in No Power Greater, published by the BC 
Federation of Labour.
https://www.amazon.com/No-power-greater-century-Columbia/dp/B0006BXXYS
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[Marxism] Fwd: Brexit was fueled by irrational xenophobia, not real economic grievances - Vox

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That’s not the only reason to believe Brexit was about xenophobia.

Torsten Bell, director of the UK economic think tank Resolution 
Foundation, set out to test the hypothesis that "areas hardest hit by 
the financial crisis, or those where migration is said to have held down 
wages, voted heavily to leave."


In other words, he tested the exact argument the pro-Leave camp is 
making: that people who voted to leave made a rational decision based on 
the real economic effects they’ve suffered from the rise in immigration. 
If that were the case, you’d expect places that have gotten poorer in 
the past decade (when mass migration took off) would have been the 
places that voted most heavily to leave the EU.


But that’s not what Bell found. In fact, he found no correlation at all 
between areas where wages have fallen since 2002 and the share of votes 
for Leave in the referendum


full: 
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/25/12029786/brexit-uk-eu-immigration-xenophobia

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Re: [Marxism] Immigration

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"...the vote to leave [was a] defeat of an attempt to rule 500 million people 
with what amounted to a capitalist dictatorship, that was anti union and anti 
working class, as a victory for democracy and equality in Europe, and a rare 
blow, struck by ordinary people, without any very strong leadership, against 
the very powerful global forces of international supranational capitalism, 
against all the odds..." [Gregory Motton]


> On Jun 30, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is not about workers stealing jobs. It is about people trying to escape 
> violence and starvation in war-torn countries. The EU makes it possible for 
> refugees to live in safety. Just look at the charts here:
> 
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911
> 
> Most came from Syria with 475,000 people applying for political asylum, with 
> Afghanistan the runner-up.
> 
> Nigel Farage did not campaign around jobs being taken away by immigrants. He 
> campaigned about dark-skinned people swarming across Britain. Just look at 
> the poster here:
> 
> http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/16/nigel-farage-defends-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants
> 
> As Doug Henwood pointed out on PEN-L, "It is not a fact that immigration 
> drives down wages. The most depressed areas in England are the ones with the 
> fewest immigrants, not the most (and those are the ones that were the most 
> pro-Brexit)."

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[Marxism] Immigration

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This is not about workers stealing jobs. It is about people trying to 
escape violence and starvation in war-torn countries. The EU makes it 
possible for refugees to live in safety. Just look at the charts here:


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911

Most came from Syria with 475,000 people applying for political asylum, 
with Afghanistan the runner-up.


Nigel Farage did not campaign around jobs being taken away by 
immigrants. He campaigned about dark-skinned people swarming across 
Britain. Just look at the poster here:


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/16/nigel-farage-defends-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants

As Doug Henwood pointed out on PEN-L, "It is not a fact that immigration 
drives down wages. The most depressed areas in England are the ones with 
the fewest immigrants, not the most (and those are the ones that were 
the most pro-Brexit)."

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: 3 Articles in Black Agenda Report on "Good News of Brexit"

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The quote from Lenin in Louis's recent blog piece explains Lenin's
(correct) support for open borders due to the impact it would have on
working-class unity as workers of many nationalities were brought together.
Echoes of this can be heard today in antiracist quotes from Brits in mixed
neighborhoods - quotes counterposed by reporters to much higher levels of
racism in the same neighborhoods when they were still mostly white. (These
neighborhoods went heavily for Remain.)

But this is not to deny - and Lenin never did - that the bosses try to use
immigrant against "native" labor. By coincidence, today's Socialist Worker
reviews the 1930s Little Steel battles, which should remind us of how in
steel, struggles in the decades leading up to those battles featured the
bosses use of immigrants - and Blacks - as one of their main tools against
organizing efforts initiated by the "native" workforce. A prerequisite for
fighting such efforts at division was the recognition that it existed.

By the same token I vividly remember a Chinese-American labor organizer
asking his members whether they thought their labor dragged down "native"
wages. The first few responses were attempts to explain why that wasn't so.
Then the organizer explained that in fact that WAS the case, that their low
wages WERE being used in that fashion. His point being that, once again, a
prerequisite to fighting against such divisive differences in wage
standards was to recognize what the bosses were trying to do in the first
place.

p.s. This all reminds me of Isaac Hourwich's 1912 work on immigration and
labor, which - like Marx's arguments against Lassalle's "Iron Law of Wages"
- pointed to factors counteracting the bosses' intent in pitting workers
against each other. Haven't looked at it in years though...
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: 3 Articles in Black Agenda Report on "Good News of Brexit"

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On 6/30/16 12:57 PM, DW via Marxism wrote:

 However, what she wrote, is accurate.


Is this the official position of the Lambertist sect or just your musings?
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: 3 Articles in Black Agenda Report on "Good News of Brexit"

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Louis wrote:

"This is the hoary argument from people like Paul Craig Roberts et al. It
was also common in the American left

"For them, open borders is a capitalist plot. This is not Lenin's view, nor
should it be ours. Workers have a right to travel to countries in search of
a job. Closed borders is a tool backed by nationalists. Period.

"And most importantly, given the genocidal-like slaughter of Syrians, the
end of the EU would make it that much more difficult to get political
asylum. "

Yes, though I haven't seen this on the socialist left, no doubt it floats
around the Robert's-like left one reads on blogs. However, what she wrote,
is accurate. The struggle for open borders, an internationalist position,
was not arrived at by the social struggles in Europe, but pushed by some
sectors of capital. Not unlike the 'moderate' wing of the GOP in the US
which effectively has a 'loose' border view precisely to keep a downward
pressure on wages in some sectors of the economy. And let us not
forget...the closing of the borders to SYRIAN refugees was worked out as a
deal between the reactionary EU and the equally reactionary Turkish
government.

What I like about the articles from BAR is that they do put the onus where
it belongs, and that is what the EU actually is and why it's reactionary.

Clearly, at any rate, the working class of Britain has it's work cut out
for itself, not just in the Labour movement itself, but in the broader
working class. Their struggle will no longer, at least at some point, be
book-ended by the EU. They will have to rely on their own class

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: 3 Articles in Black Agenda Report on "Good News of Brexit"

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On 6/30/16 12:12 PM, DW via Marxism wrote:

True...but who really cares? The point of the articles from Black Agenda
Reports is that it helps remove the issue from the media created
'xenophobia' emphasis and puts it where it belong, on Imperialism. As M.
Kimberley notes her essay: ""Every instance of hate speech and hate crime
is now blamed on the Brexit vote, as if there was an absence of racism and
intolerance before."


Kimberly wrote: "Under American pressure the EU expanded its membership 
to include poorer countries whose people then had a right to immigrate 
to more prosperous countries like the UK. This race to the bottom for 
workers was not just the concern of xenophobes and racists but of people 
whose living wage jobs disappear."


This is the hoary argument from people like Paul Craig Robers et al. It 
was also common in the American left


For them, open borders is a capitalist plot. This is not Lenin's view, 
nor should it be ours. Workers have a right to travel to countries in 
search of a job. Closed borders is a tool backed by nationalists. Period.


And most importantly, given the genocidal-like slaughter of Syrians, the 
end of the EU would make it that much more difficult to get political 
asylum.


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: 3 Articles in Black Agenda Report on "Good News of Brexit"

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Louis wrote: " This of course relates to my blog post about Chandan and
Tharrapal. This Brexit stuff is opening up fissures everywhere in the
Baathist camp."

True...but who really cares? The point of the articles from Black Agenda
Reports is that it helps remove the issue from the media created
'xenophobia' emphasis and puts it where it belong, on Imperialism. As M.
Kimberley notes her essay: ""Every instance of hate speech and hate crime
is now blamed on the Brexit vote, as if there was an absence of racism and
intolerance before."
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[Marxism] Fwd: Contradictions within the Baathist amen corner over Brexit | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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[Marxism] The anti-Corbyn coup

[Gary MacLennan via Marxism]

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As I read him, Richard Seymour seems to think the coup against Corbyn is
bungled.  Presumably the plotters worked on the assumption that Corbyn
would resign and the right would regain control of "their" party. Well he
has refused to resign and they cannot field anyone with a clear platform,
but they still  must press ahead.

They have even wheeled out yet another idiot son of a great Marxist. First
it was Hilary Benn, now it is the Milliband fool - Ed.

Yet still Corbyn adheres to the role of the "meddlesome priest".

I have always had a mantra "Please, make all my enemies intelligent". It
would seem that Corbyn is cursed with stupid enemies. That is the path to
mutual destruction.

Comradely

Gary
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[Marxism] Fwd: Modern imperialism and the working class | Michael Roberts Blog

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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