Re: [Marxism] The U.S. hasn't won a war in 70 years and Trump's buildup can't fix that

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John, I take up Grenada and Kuwait in my piece: I did not ignore them.

It seems to me you're complaining that I did not write a different 
article. I addressed major, direct U.S. military interventions. I did 
not take up coups nor surrogate wars nor how deadly U.S. weapons are, 
nor how evil imperialism is. I did not mean for my headline to be read 
as expansively as you do.


I am addressing a very specific but important point: why direct American 
military interventions do not work. CIA-type stuff is different. The CIA 
is --or at least was-- very conscious of the political dimension of even 
its most militaristic operations. It could be very wrong and about the 
politics, like in the Bay of Pigs, but it has not ignored them.


Joaquín

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To state that the U. S. has not won a military victory in 70 years - is just 
false.


I am surprised that more people on this list have not mentioned that there was a

number of military efforts since 1945 that the U. S. government was successful 
in.

These range from Grenada to Serbia and from Kuwait to the Congo.  And often

through surrogate forces from Columbia to Sudan and Dominican Republic to

Israel.


And to not recognize this deadly military monster that is often involved in

coups and counter revolutions through many ways, is not recognizing reality.

The U.S. military is very armed and dangerous with AI robotics to chemical and

biological weapons to nuclear weapons to eliminate all life on this planet. Just

what are U. S. military forces doing in more than half the nations of this 
planet?

They aided England in defeating the IRA in Ireland to removing Ghaddafi in 
Libya.


And some have written on this list to encourage this military death machine to

further invade and occupy Syria.  Seems so strange at times to understand how

people do not understand and recognize U. S. imperialism and its military's role

and terror on this list?






Subject: [Marxism] The U.S. hasn't won a war in 70 years and Trump's buildup 
can't fix that



Why do so many Americans think that we have inferior armed forces?
Because we can't seem to win a war, and we've been in plenty.
The United States has not won a decisive victory in any military
conflict it has been directly involved in since we nuked Japan in 1945.

http://hatueysashes.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-us-hasnt-won-war-in-70-years-and.html


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[Marxism] the protests in NY

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I have seen small clips of the thousands chanting "let them in" in response
to the shocking brutality of Trump's executive order.  Truly it is the
pulse of freedom that carries people out into the freezing night to support
their fellow humans. I salute every one of them. They carry our hopes that
we can survive the onslaught from the crypto-fascist buffoon that occupies
the White House. I look at him and think of these line from Macbeth

*CAITHNESS*
Great Dunsinane he strongly fortifies.
Some say he’s mad, others that lesser hate him
Do call it valiant fury. But, for certain,
He cannot buckle his distempered cause
Within the belt of rule.

*CAITHNESS*
He is fortifying his castle at Dunsinane with heavy defenses. Some say he’s
insane. Those who hate him less call it brave anger. One thing is certain:
he’s out of control.

*ANGUS*
Now does he feel
His secret murders sticking on his hands.
Now minutely revolts upbraid his faith-breach.
Those he commands move only in command,
Nothing in love. Now does he feel his title
Hang loose about him, like a giant’s robe
Upon a dwarfish thief.


comradely

Gary
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Re: [Marxism] Mexico's humiliation

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Yep

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> I didn't quite get this article you sent the link to.
>
> "For the past twenty days, Mexico has been living in a state of social
> unrest: Trump’s election stirred our spirit," it says.
>
> But from the moment he announced a year and a half ago, Trump provoked a
> very sharp reaction. Just look at the sdozens of canciones and corridos on
> youtube about him. Even pitiyanqui sugarwater salesman Vicente Fox was
> moved to say, "We're not going to pay for your fucking wall."
>
> México has been in a "state of social unrest" since, well, forever and
> certainly since Calderón sent the army to wage --and lose--  the war on
> drugs.
>
> But there was a qualitative change with Ayotzinapa, it just tore the
> country's heart out. I heard it on the radio show I co-host every day, and
> we're all the way in Atlanta.
>
> Brozo, in his last show last June, went over what they'd been covering for
> six years and listen to the part about ayotzinapa It starts a little before
> so you get the context):
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGSpu-gt-Nk=youtu.be=5m33s
>
> So this article seems sort of detached from that whole context.
>
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[Marxism] (Fwd) Political economists gather in Brooklyn, 8 April

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 Union of Radical Political Economics Brooklyn Conference:


 Left-Wing Economics in a Right-Wing Political Climate

St. Francis College, Brooklyn NY, April 8, 2017

The Conference will bring together the theoretical perspectives of 
radical political economics and the organizational experiences of those 
engaged in struggle on the many crucial issues confronting us today.   
It will, we hope, contribute to the development of an agenda that can 
guide all of us in the difficult years ahead.


*Workshops*

Each workshop will include presentations on both the contribution of 
radical political economics to an understanding of the issues, and the 
current political activity relating to these. Approximately half of the 
two-hour period will be available for contribution from workshop 
participants.  Each workshop will conclude with a collective summary of 
areas of agreement and disagreement and the nomination of one or two 
people to present this summary at the closing session of the conference. 
(URPE plans to record this final session and make it available on the 
URPE web-site.)


The following is a preliminary listing of possible workshops topics:

   /Trump’s fiscal policy (tax policy and infrastructure spending)/
   /Income distribution: wages vs. profits/
   /The Fight for $15 and other labor issues/
   /Workplace organization – unions today/
   /Immigration and global capitalism/
   /Community organization and cooperatives/
   /Health care after Obamacare/
   /Student debt and the state of higher education/
   /Households and the care economy/
   /Black Lives Matter
   Climate change and the environment
   /

It is assumed that all workshops will recognize the class, gender, and 
racial/ethnic dimensions of issues.


All URPE members, friends of URPE, and those whose work (not limited to 
that in educational institutions) involves the development and 
presentation of radical political economic theory, are invited to 
contribute to the presentation of radical political economic theory.  
The conference organizers also ask for help in soliciting input to the 
workshops from the activists whose work provides us with direction for 
our collective struggle.


Please register your interest in this conference, including nominations 
(or self-nominations) for workshop participants with: u...@urpe.org 
.   This will contribute to the organization of 
the conference and ensure that you will receive updates on conference 
plans as they develop.


***

Structure of Conference (estimated attendance: 100 – 150)

10  – 11  Plenary (Two or three speakers addressing 
overall theme of conference)


11 – 1 Workshops

1 – 2:15 Lunch

2:15 – 4:15Workshops

4:30 – 5:30Closing session: reports from all workshops, with 
focus on where we go from here)


5:30 – 7 Cocktail party

*Suggested Registration Fee*

Early registration: $30 per person; $15 for students.

Late registration (after March 18): $35  per person, $20 for students.

Note:  All participants may choose to pay more or less depending on 
their individual circumstances.  Registration fee includes cocktail 
party.  (Alcohol will be served only to those aged 21 or over.)


Since space for workshops is limited, participants will be asked to sign 
up for specific workshops – those who register early will be given 
preference when attendance reaches rooms’ full capacity.


Online registration is here. 



The registration form can be viewed and downloaded here. 



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[Marxism] The U.S. hasn't won a war in 70 years and Trump's buildup can't fix that

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To state that the U. S. has not won a military victory in 70 years - is just 
false.


I am surprised that more people on this list have not mentioned that there was a

number of military efforts since 1945 that the U. S. government was successful 
in.

These range from Grenada to Serbia and from Kuwait to the Congo.  And often

through surrogate forces from Columbia to Sudan and Dominican Republic to

Israel.


And to not recognize this deadly military monster that is often involved in

coups and counter revolutions through many ways, is not recognizing reality.

The U.S. military is very armed and dangerous with AI robotics to chemical and

biological weapons to nuclear weapons to eliminate all life on this planet. Just

what are U. S. military forces doing in more than half the nations of this 
planet?

They aided England in defeating the IRA in Ireland to removing Ghaddafi in 
Libya.


And some have written on this list to encourage this military death machine to

further invade and occupy Syria.  Seems so strange at times to understand how

people do not understand and recognize U. S. imperialism and its military's role

and terror on this list?






Subject: [Marxism] The U.S. hasn't won a war in 70 years and Trump's buildup 
can't fix that



Why do so many Americans think that we have inferior armed forces?
Because we can't seem to win a war, and we've been in plenty.
The United States has not won a decisive victory in any military
conflict it has been directly involved in since we nuked Japan in 1945.

http://hatueysashes.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-us-hasnt-won-war-in-70-years-and.html


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[Marxism] Syria on the brain [was: The U.S. hasn't won a war in 70 years and Trump's buildup can't fix that]

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What is this bizarro Syria obsession some people on this list have?

I wrote a blog post about U.S. interventions abroad generally. It barely 
mentioned Syria in passing in one place or two.


The part that Dennis Brasky quotes says that when the U.S. sticks its 
nose in, it has an impact in the internal politics of the country and 
region, creating or aggravating conflicts that typically lead to more 
war and the failure of the United States to achieve its objectives.


The idea is that because the United States is blind to all that and 
takes a narrow, military approach, it is doomed to more failures like 
the ones from the last 70 years.


Dennis Brasky somehow succeeds in convincing himself that because I used 
the word "destabilizes," it means I deny anything else significant 
politically was going on in the country, and that U.S. destabilization 
was the only thing going on, whereas my point was precisely and exactly 
the opposite.


Read the paragraph that I wrote: "The problem is that the United States 
does not realize that when it goes into a country like Iraq or 
destabilizes Syria, it is creating or qualitatively escalating internal 
conflicts within those countries and in the region that soon manifest as 
civil wars (Libya) or as a combination of a civil war and a war against 
foreign occupation (Vietnam, Iraq)."


Brasky is so Syria obsessed that, because some people say U.S. 
destabilization is the only thing that happened or the important or 
decisive thing, then because I, too, use the word "destabilizes" I must 
hold that same position. Even though the word appears in a blog post 
that says absolutely nothing of the sort.


I'll write more about my real position on Syria and matters I view as 
related in another post.


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 So, the US "destabilized" Syria? The Syrian people had no legitimate
grievances against the Assad Dynasty such as neoliberal privatization,
cutting back on social spending, corruption - and a brutal dictatorship?
This is typical of Left Orientalist thinking - the Syrian people have no
agency - they are mere pawns - "proxies" - of outside powers. It's sad to
see this on the Marxism list.


"The problem is that the United States does not realize that when it goes
into a country like Iraq or destabilizes Syria, it is creating or
qualitatively escalating internal conflicts within those countries..."

http://hatueysashes.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-us-hasnt-won-wa
r-in-70-years-and.html




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Re: [Marxism] The U.S. hasn't won a war in 70 years and Trump's buildup can't fix that

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So, the US "destabilized" Syria? The Syrian people had no legitimate
grievances against the Assad Dynasty such as neoliberal privatization,
cutting back on social spending, corruption - and a brutal dictatorship?
This is typical of Left Orientalist thinking - the Syrian people have no
agency - they are mere pawns - "proxies" - of outside powers. It's sad to
see this on the Marxism list.

>
> "The problem is that the United States does not realize that when it goes
> into a country like Iraq or destabilizes Syria, it is creating or
> qualitatively escalating internal conflicts within those countries..."
>
> http://hatueysashes.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-us-hasnt-won-wa
> r-in-70-years-and.html
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[Marxism] The U.S. hasn't won a war in 70 years and Trump's buildup can't fix that

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Why do so many Americans think that we have inferior armed forces?
Because we can't seem to win a war, and we've been in plenty.
The United States has not won a decisive victory in any military 
conflict it has been directly involved in since we nuked Japan in 1945.


http://hatueysashes.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-us-hasnt-won-war-in-70-years-and.html

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The War on ISIS Has Killed Many Innocent People

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Love the poll at the end, asking readers whether they think Trump is going
to escalate the war.  The unknown question posed to the
not-necessarily-informed about how they feel in order to get a meaningless
result.

American democracy at its finest.

ML
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Re: [Marxism] Mexico's humiliation

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I didn't quite get this article you sent the link to.

"For the past twenty days, Mexico has been living in a state of social 
unrest: Trump’s election stirred our spirit," it says.


But from the moment he announced a year and a half ago, Trump provoked a 
very sharp reaction. Just look at the sdozens of canciones and corridos 
on youtube about him. Even pitiyanqui sugarwater salesman Vicente Fox 
was moved to say, "We're not going to pay for your fucking wall."


México has been in a "state of social unrest" since, well, forever and 
certainly since Calderón sent the army to wage --and lose--  the war on 
drugs.


But there was a qualitative change with Ayotzinapa, it just tore the 
country's heart out. I heard it on the radio show I co-host every day, 
and we're all the way in Atlanta.


Brozo, in his last show last June, went over what they'd been covering 
for six years and listen to the part about ayotzinapa It starts a little 
before so you get the context):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGSpu-gt-Nk=youtu.be=5m33s

So this article seems sort of detached from that whole context.


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http://www.publicseminar.org/2017/01/the-day-mexico-denied-trumpism/


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[Marxism] Fwd: The War on ISIS Has Killed Many Innocent People

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Re: [Marxism] Trump’s Order Blocks Immigrants at Airports, Stoking Fear Around Globe

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The Left and its constituent parts - Blacks, Latinos, LGBT, women, labor,
environmentalists, civil libertarians - must join together to form defense
squads of mosques. "An injury to one is an injury to all!"


https://thinkprogress.org/islamic-center-of-victoria-fire-8a683f632a7a#.sp1rn9dxt

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[Marxism] Trump’s Order Blocks Immigrants at Airports, Stoking Fear Around Globe

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NY Times, Jan. 28 2017
Trump’s Order Blocks Immigrants at Airports, Stoking Fear Around Globe
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR and NICHOLAS KULISH

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s executive order on immigration quickly 
reverberated through the United States and across the globe on Saturday, 
slamming the border shut for an Iranian scientist headed to a lab in 
Boston, an Iraqi who had worked as an interpreter for the United States 
Army, and a Syrian refugee family headed to a new life in Ohio, among 
countless others.


Around the nation, security officers at major international gateways had 
new rules to follow. Humanitarian organizations scrambled to cancel 
long-planned programs, delivering the bad news to families who were 
about to travel. Refugees who were airborne on flights when the order 
was signed were detained at airports.


Reports rapidly surfaced Saturday morning of students attending American 
universities who were blocked from getting back into the United States 
from visits abroad. One student said in a Twitter post that he would be 
unable to study at Yale. Another who attends the Massachusetts Institute 
of Technology was refused permission to board a plane. Stanford 
University was reportedly working to help a Sudanese student return to 
California.


Human rights groups reported that legal permanent residents of the 
United States who hold green cards were being stopped in foreign 
airports as they sought to return from funerals, vacations or study 
abroad — a clear indication that Mr. Trump’s directive is being applied 
broadly.


Mr. Trump’s order, enacted with the stroke of a pen on Friday afternoon, 
suspended entry of all refugees to the United States for 120 days, 
barred Syrian refugees indefinitely, and blocked entry into the United 
States for 90 days for citizens of seven predominantly Muslim countries: 
Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.


The Department of Homeland Security said that the executive order barred 
green card holders from those countries from re-entering the United States.


At least one case quickly prompted a legal challenge as lawyers 
representing two Iraqi refugees held at Kennedy International Airport in 
New York filed a motion early Saturday seeking to have their clients 
released. They also filed a motion for class certification, in an effort 
to represent all refugees and other immigrants who they said were being 
unlawfully detained at ports of entry.


Shortly after noon on Saturday, Hameed Khalid Darweesh, an interpreter 
who worked on behalf of the United States government in Iraq, was 
released. After nearly 19 hours of detention, Mr. Darweesh began to cry 
as he spoke to reporters, putting his hands behind his back and miming 
handcuffs.


The other man the lawyers are representing, Haider Sameer Abdulkhaleq 
Alshawi, remained in custody as his legal advocates sought his release.


Inside the airport, one of the lawyers, Mark Doss, a supervising 
attorney at the International Refugee Assistance Project, asked a border 
agent, “Who is the person we need to talk to?”


“Call Mr. Trump,” said the agent, who declined to identify himself.

The White House said the restrictions would protect “the United States 
from foreign nationals entering from countries compromised by terrorism” 
and ensure “a more rigorous vetting process.” But critics condemned Mr. 
Trump over the immediate collateral damage imposed on people who, by all 
accounts, had no sinister intentions in trying to come to the United States.


Peaceful protests began forming Saturday afternoon at Kennedy Airport, 
where nine travelers had been detained at Terminal 7 upon arrival, and 
two more were detained at Terminal 4, an airport official said.


The official said they were being held in a federal area of the airport, 
adding that such situations were playing out around the nation.


An official message to all American diplomatic posts around the world 
provided instructions about how to treat people from the countries 
affected: “Effective immediately, halt interviewing and cease issuance 
and printing” of visas to the United States.


Confusion turned to panic at airports around the world, as travelers 
found themselves unable to board flights bound for the United States. In 
Dubai and Istanbul, airport and immigration officials turned passengers 
away at boarding gates and, in at least one case, ejected a family from 
a flight they had boarded.


Seyed Soheil Saeedi Saravi, a leading young scientist in Iran, had been 
scheduled to travel in the coming days to Boston, where he had been 
awarded a fellowship to study cardiovascular medicine at Harvard, 
according 

Re: [Marxism] "Pro-Palestinian" Blumenthal endorses rabid Zionist/Islamophobe Gabbard

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> WHOA The awkward moment when "pro-Palestinian activists" are rooting
> even for the worst bloodthirsty Zionists because they are pro-Assad
>
> "Pro-Palestinian " journalists Max Blumenthal & Rania Khalek cheers for
> Tulsi Gabbard because she met Assad & praised the genocide of the Syrian
> people , even if she's a rabid Zionist & even co-sponsored a congressional
> resolution criticizing Amnesty International for exposing Israeli
> atrocities against civilians in its 2014 blitzkrieg in Gaza. Tulsi
> Gabbard-sponsored resolution claimed that Israel "focused on terrorist
> targets" and "goes to extraordinary lengths to target only terrorist
> actors."
> http://www.counterpunch.org/…/gaza-and-the-bi-partisan-war…/
>  partisan-war-on-human-rights/>
>
> https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/824860375749271553
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 5:46 AM, Dennis Brasky 
> wrote:
>
> > WHOA The awkward moment when "pro-Palestinian activists" are rooting
> > even for the worst bloodthirsty Zionists because they are pro-Assad
> >
> > "Pro-Palestinian " journalists Max Blumenthal & Rania Khalek cheers for
> > Tulsi Gabbard because she met Assad & praised the genocide of the Syrian
> > people , even if she's a rabid Zionist & even co-sponsored a
> congressional
> > resolution criticizing Amnesty International for exposing Israeli
> > atrocities against civilians in its 2014 blitzkrieg in Gaza. Tulsi
> > Gabbard-sponsored resolution claimed that Israel "focused on terrorist
> > targets" and "goes to extraordinary lengths to target only terrorist
> > actors."
> > http://www.counterpunch.org/…/gaza-and-the-bi-partisan-war…/
> >  partisan-war-on-human-rights/>
> >
> > https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/824860375749271553
> >
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[Marxism] Fwd: Dennis Kucinich Says He Wants Peace In Syria. The War Crimes Are Details For Later - BuzzFeed News

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So what's the actual news in this Palmer Report? That Bernstein said that someone said...? I'm 
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[Marxism] "Pro-Palestinian" Blumenthal endorses rabid Zionist/Islamophobe Gabbard

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WHOA The awkward moment when "pro-Palestinian activists" are rooting
even for the worst bloodthirsty Zionists because they are pro-Assad

"Pro-Palestinian " journalists Max Blumenthal & Rania Khalek cheers for
Tulsi Gabbard because she met Assad & praised the genocide of the Syrian
people , even if she's a rabid Zionist & even co-sponsored a congressional
resolution criticizing Amnesty International for exposing Israeli
atrocities against civilians in its 2014 blitzkrieg in Gaza. Tulsi
Gabbard-sponsored resolution claimed that Israel "focused on terrorist
targets" and "goes to extraordinary lengths to target only terrorist
actors."
http://www.counterpunch.org/…/gaza-and-the-bi-partisan-war…/


https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/824860375749271553



On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 5:46 AM, Dennis Brasky 
wrote:

> WHOA The awkward moment when "pro-Palestinian activists" are rooting
> even for the worst bloodthirsty Zionists because they are pro-Assad
>
> "Pro-Palestinian " journalists Max Blumenthal & Rania Khalek cheers for
> Tulsi Gabbard because she met Assad & praised the genocide of the Syrian
> people , even if she's a rabid Zionist & even co-sponsored a congressional
> resolution criticizing Amnesty International for exposing Israeli
> atrocities against civilians in its 2014 blitzkrieg in Gaza. Tulsi
> Gabbard-sponsored resolution claimed that Israel "focused on terrorist
> targets" and "goes to extraordinary lengths to target only terrorist
> actors."
> http://www.counterpunch.org/…/gaza-and-the-bi-partisan-war…/
> 
>
> https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/824860375749271553
>
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Re: [Marxism] Trump CIA speech transcript - CBS News

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