[Marxism] Roger Plumb, 1937 - 2016
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Roger Plumb, once a member of the Spartacist League, though not for many years, and earlier, I believe, a member of the Young Socialist League, passed away early on the morning of June 8th. A member of the National Maritime Union, Roger sailed in earlier years, devoting himself ashore to politics, then to the art of craft printing, working at Berkeley Free Press back in the ancient days, and using the hand press at St. Hieronymus Press where he printed classical poetry in the original Italian, distributing the finished product to his friends. As a socialist he was no stranger to poverty, living on the margins of the economy - and old age is no friend to those not well-fixed with cash. He spent his declining years reading on linguistics and physics and studying languages, living on Social Security. At the beginning of the year he was able to get into Strawberry Creek Lodge, elder housing in Berkeley. He fell during a power blackout a few months ago, was hospitalized and never recover ed his strength. He was a man of good humor and dry wit, and without a sectarian cell in his body. Comrade, friend and companion. Farewell. A memorial for Roger will be held at St. Hieronymus Press, 1703 Martin Luther King Jr. Way, Berkeley, California, on Roger's birthday, July 27th at 3:PM. Wayne Collins _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] OREGON MILITIA MEMBER
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Louis' comments on this event seem a bit unleavened for a list that holds to a principle Marxist coherence. I say "unleavened" rather than "intemperate" because genuine ire hardly appals me and is hard to avoid on the left anyway. Let me put it in the context of some of Louis' own language, using his own phrases -out of context perhaps, but not out of humor with the rest of his note. It would go something like this: Taxpayer ruminates on ranchers with "crappy politics." Declares: "It was about time these fuckheads got straightened out." Makes an (un?)intended obeisance to "the men and women we pay our taxes for," who have just offed a ... nut. With all respect, the whole thing has a scent of respect for capitalist police that is out of proportion to the event and underscores the tendency that swells up now and then on the left of "being attracted too much to the administrative side of things." This is a quality as readily found within liberalism as well which once again is becoming enamoured of a "strong presidency," use of "executive power," and overstress on "leadership" rather than as tools fraught with danger instead of ends themselves. But perhaps I'm reading too much into it. Wayne Collins _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Oregon Militia Spokesman Has Been Killed and Its Leaders Detained After FBI Confrontation | VICE News
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * That the SWP endorsed an occupation by right wing nuts is trivial. But that the law killed someone is not. Not knowing the details so far, it still could be lawless enforcement again - as it was at Waco. -Original Message- From: Louis Proyect via MarxismTo: Wayne M. Collins Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2016 4:28 am Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: The Oregon Militia Spokesman Has Been Killed and Its Leaders Detained After FBI Confrontation | VICE News POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I hate to bring up trivia on Marxmail but I must mention that the American SWP found reasons to back the occupation. https://news.vice.com/article/ammon-bundy-militia-leader-in-oregon-taken-into-custody-after-reported-firefight _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/shacht%40aol.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why is the Spanish-language media boycotting Bernie Sanders?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The fact is that no matter how committed we are to Third Party politics, we have a duty at this time to support Sanders. It is hard to say this after more than forty years in the Peace and Freedom Party. But it is a fact. We may know that this campaign could lead its newly activated followers into the support of Clinton of Biden as the Democratic Party nominee. But disgust at the machine assured nomination of one of them in lieu of Sanders can equally well lead to revulsion and recognition that the Democratic is, as it always has been, a roadblock, not a path to independent political action. -Original Message- From: Joaquín Bustelo via MarxismTo: Wayne M. Collins Sent: Mon, Sep 14, 2015 5:16 pm Subject: [Marxism] Why is the Spanish-language media boycotting Bernie Sanders? POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * From my blog, Hatuey's Ashes Major Spanish language media in the United States are extensively covering Hillary Clinton and other mainstream political figures but almost completely ignoring news about Bernie Sanders. An underfinanced, crotchety old Senator from a tiny, virtually all-white state, with no national organization or a single significant endorsement, who (in the United States!) proclaims himself a socialist, no less, mounts his horse, picks up his lance, and rides off to tilt at windmills, thinking they are giants. And the giants start to fall. Ignored by the mainstream media and even the "progressive" outlets, his message spreads nonetheless. People come out by the thousands to hear and cheer him. The campaign raises millions from donations that average less than $50. Yet a study of the web sites of the five most important Spanish-language news outlets in the United States --two TV networks and three daily newspapers-- reveals a lopsidedness that is impossible to justify except as an expression of systematic and generalized bias on the part of journalists and editors. http://hatueysashes.blogspot.com/2015/09/don-quijote-sanders-and-spanish-media.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/shacht%40aol.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Farewell to Leninism Revisited
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * As an approach to Marxism or socialist revolution Lenin stood for one thing. Adherence to a class struggle viewpoint. To put it more broadly, to a revolutionary perspective, not a bourgeois one. In short a socialist approach to the world. That's it. Period. All this vanguard party stuff is beside the point. Even the German Social Democracy had democratic centralism and invoked party discipline to compel Liebknecht Ruehle and others to vote the war credits on the first vote. When Liebknecht broke party discipline on the second vote on war credits then he was acting in a Leninist fashion, as a Bolshevik, taking the class perspective. Nothing to do with vanguardism. This discussion that rambles from Anibale Escalante to Batista's first dictatorship to Shawki to Barnes to an interesting but irrelevant disquisition to the deepening of the revolution after 1960 in Cuba replete with paens to working class and Afro-Cuban participation in workers management - if such it was - as evidence that Cuba became a working class revolution without or without a workers state, degenerated, regenerated or whatever is absolutely off the mark, off the agenda, a dead end. The Russian Revolution was 97 years ago. The Cuban Revolution was 57 years ago. A fundamental restructuring of the capitalist world order has occurred. A world war has come and gone. A dozen colonialist wars. The U.S. working class has gone through vast structural changes. The ideological forms of Americans false conscious thought has changed over the years as it must. Colonial wars and liberation movements, compromised, reactionary or progressive have changed the political face of the globe and changed the nature of geo-political power in the world. Socialists have to do with these new realities. As well as the old reality that there is no socialist movement in the U.S. We had our Pop Front, social democratic period - that's what the New Deal was. And that's not a model for the future and it is a mistake to cry for a new Roosevelt. Unfortunately too many self-styled progressives and academics want to and than can. We have to bring socialist principles into existing movements. We don't even have to call them socialist principles. We just have to stand for a class perspective in those movements - and we can do it without even shouting about the proletariat, much less demanding a vanguard party now. That is what such movements as Syzria are doing. That is the reason that we support such movements and work in or for such formations that can lead to such developments. The last thing we want to go near is something that remotely smells of sectarian dogmatism. And we don't want to live in the past, as entertaining as that may be. I think its great that Mark Louse should point to Victoria Woodhull. Interesting character. Destructive of Section XII of the American Section of the First International, founder of the Equal Rights Party, ran for president with Frederick Douglas as her running mate, published the first full length edition of The Communist Manifesto in Woodhull and Claffin's Weekly. I guess that's why Mark mentioned her in connection with approaching the problems of organization. And that's cool. She was also a nut, unstable, a bohemian petty-bourgeois with guts enough to con Vanderbilt, start a all women's stock brokerage house, bring down Harry Ward Beecher by breading his sexual scandals in her magazine then on to other adventures. In other words one of those comets of intellectual energy and instability that inflict the margins of the left on various occasions. But, honestly, Mark, not a model to follow, nor a Marxist, nor a Leninist. Just entertainment. And we've got plenty of these on the left, too, post modernists, Hegelianists, well intentioned and all a waste of time and energy. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: An extraordinary state of ‘managed depression’ - FT.com
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Check out Thorstein Veblen The theory of Business Enterprise - prolonged moderate depression is the ordinary state of capitalism in a market economy. Is there anything new in Picketty? -Original Message- From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Wayne M. Collins sha...@aol.com Sent: Sun, Oct 12, 2014 6:10 am Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: An extraordinary state of ‘managed depression’ - FT.com == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == full: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/89771ebe-43d5-11e4-8abd-00144feabdc0.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/shacht%40aol.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Spleenful obit on Mike Banda
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == If Sean Matgamna and Michael Banda met in a pub in after years the man must have had some saving graces! -Original Message- From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Wayne M. Collins sha...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Oct 1, 2014 1:20 pm Subject: [Marxism] Spleenful obit on Mike Banda == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.workersliberty.org/node/23850 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/shacht%40aol.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Michael Hudson on the IMF loan to Ukraine
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Pretty appalling. And this from Carlos Hudson's son, at that. -Original Message- From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Wayne M. Collins sha...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Sep 10, 2014 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [Marxism] Michael Hudson on the IMF loan to Ukraine == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 9/10/14 5:52 PM, Marv Gandall via Marxism wrote: Below, a link to probing article from the economist Michael Hudson at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/shacht%40aol.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] THOUGHTS ON A 72nd BIRTHDAY
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Perhaps the most beautiful passage from Diary in Exile. And a wonderful human gesture from Natalya, as well. A remarkable work by Trotsky, which evidenced the growth of wisdom as the walls of malignity and life closed in. On the other hand, don't think you haven't attained the wisdom of years also. Concluding a speech with that quotation is exactly what the movement needed then, and now. As they used to say to the faithful many years ago when I was an altar boy in the Swedenborgian Church, Many Happy Returns. Wayne Collins -Original Message- From: Gary MacLennan via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Wayne M. Collins sha...@aol.com Sent: Tue, Aug 12, 2014 11:46 pm Subject: [Marxism] THOUGHTS ON A 72nd BIRTHDAY == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Natasha has just come up to the window comradely Gary Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/shacht%40aol.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com