Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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10 of 71 Bodies identified

on Donnerstag, 3. September 2015 at 14:10, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote, 
replying to messages by Clay Claiborne: 

>>> We now know that the 71 dead bodies found in the back of a truck on a 
>>> road in Austria were refugees from Syria. They left Syria, not for 

>  Caution, man, with your usual haste to proclaim what you believe to know!

>  The Austrian police is just /assuming/ that those dead bodies were
> a group of Syrian refugees, because they found a Syrian travel document on 
> one of the corpses.

   The Austrian ministry for the interior informed on yesterday (Wednesday, 23 
September 2015, at 14h28) that they had identified 10 of the 71 bodies found as 
being _Iraqis._ 9 men and 1 woman. 

   
http://www.bmi.gv.at/cms/bmi/_news/bmi.aspx?id=4B327863766641506C41733D=0=1
 

   Artikel Nr: 12872 vom Mittwoch, 23. September 2015, 14:28 Uhr. 

   So far for Mr. Clay Claiborne's wisdom knowing all. 

 
Cheers, 
Lüko Willms

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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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10 of 71 Bodies identified

on Donnerstag, 3. September 2015 at 14:10, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote, 
replying to messages by Clay Claiborne: 

>>> We now know that the 71 dead bodies found in the back of a truck on a 
>>> road in Austria were refugees from Syria. They left Syria, not for 

>  Caution, man, with your usual haste to proclaim what you believe to know!

>  The Austrian police is just /assuming/ that those dead bodies were
> a group of Syrian refugees, because they found a Syrian travel document on 
> one of the corpses.

  The Austrian ministry for the interior informed on yesterday (Wednesday, 23 
September 2015, at 14h28) that they had identified 10 of the 71 bodies found as 
being _Iraqis._ 9 men and 1 woman. The note by the ministry said that the 
relatives had been informed and that 4 bodies had already been conveyed to 
their home country. 

  
http://www.bmi.gv.at/cms/bmi/_news/bmi.aspx?id=4B327863766641506C41733D=0=1
 

  Artikel Nr: 12872 vom Mittwoch, 23. September 2015, 14:28 Uhr. 

  So far for Clay Claiborne's wisdom knowing all. 


Cheers, 
Lüko Willms

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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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Louis,

Now this is drivel not worth wasting time replying to.


>   You and all the other talking heads on the Corporate News Networks do,
> of course, deny the responsibility of the imperialist war against the Third
> World. You want the aggression to deepen with bombings by the B52 and other
> means of terrorism. You all want the Syrian government to be overturned by
> force and the country put under a subservient
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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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From: Louis Proyect via Marxism


On 9/3/15 8:10 AM, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote:

But they fueled the civil war destroying Syria by giving hope to the


What a penetrating analysis. Foolish me thinking it was MIG's firing
missiles into working class tenements that destroyed Syria.


Yes foolish you. In fact it was some evil "US allies" in the region who 
may have sent some food packages or night goggles (hell, even worse, 
maybe some light arms) to the people inhabiting those working class 
tenements, that destroyed Syria. A great many in the Orwellian School of 
Left Analysis say so.


And many of that same school now say, as usual in complete agreement 
with the imperialists, that hundreds of thousands are not being bombed 
into the Mediterranean Sea by Assad, but rather are fleeing "war,", or 
ISIS, or "western intervention. Wow. 


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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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on Samstag, 29. August 2015 at 08:38, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote:

>   Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's
> holocaust?

 They are rather 71 of thousands of victims of the border regime of Fortress 
Europe, just like the deaths at the wall which the USA had built on its border 
to Mexico (or rather what is left of Mexico after having conquered at least 
half of Mexico'*s territory). 

 They are the victims of imperialist war against and interventions in the 
countries of the Third World to bring them back under governments which are 
subservient to imperialism. 

  But why did they not bomb Syria "back into the stone age", as your masters 
wanted to do with Vietnam, or at least as much as they bombed Libya, Mali, 
Afghanistan and Iraq? Ms. Clinton explained while she was the US foreign 
minister: for one, Syria under the Baath regime had not, as Libya under 
Ghaddafi, handed their air defense to the imperialist aggressor, secondly 
because the Russians have a military base in Syria, and because Syria is so 
central to the Mashraq (the Arab East) and especially the Fertile Crescent, 
that an armed intervention risks to blow up the whole colonial balkanization of 
Arabia. But they fueled the civil war destroying Syria by giving hope to the 
various contenders for power over Syria to be legitimized and recognized by 
"the international community" (led by the USA) as the new ruler of the country. 
But this civil war also brought the "Islamic State" to power, whose power comes 
from the US war which is felt as a war against Islam. And the IS wiping out the 
border between the Eastern and Western branch of the Fertile Crescent, imposed 
by the European victors of WW1. 

 Yes, all Corporate News Networks and Faux News outlets will clap you on the 
shoulder for your valient action ot deflect criticism away  from the real 
culprits and onto the countries of the Third World themselves. Go on, and 
you'll get the order of services to the empire. 

 And coming back to your baiting, you are of course in full agreement with the 
imperialist rulers of Europe and the rest of the world, that the governments of 
the Third World countries are to blame for each and every wrong on this planet 
(and, of course, the Russians, always the Russians), that's why they make war 
 
> 

>> We now know that the 71 dead bodies found in the back of a truck on a 
>> road in Austria were refugees from Syria. They left Syria, not for 

 Caution, man, with your usual haste to proclaim what you believe to know! 

 The Austrian police is just /assuming/ that those dead bodies were a group of 
Syrian refugees, because they found a Syrian travel document on one of the 
corpses. 



Cheers, 
Lüko Willms

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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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I just published 2 powerful response to this type of trash:
http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2015/08/jacobins-war-on-syria.html
http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2015/09/contradictions-on-syria-patrick-higgins.html
I don't think he said anything I haven't already covered.

Clay Claiborne, Director
Vietnam: American Holocaust 
Linux Beach Productions
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Read my blogs at the Linux Beach 


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> -Original Message- From: Louis Proyect via Marxism
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> On 9/3/15 8:10 AM, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote:
>
>> But they fueled the civil war destroying Syria by giving hope to the
>>
>
> What a penetrating analysis. Foolish me thinking it was MIG's firing
> missiles into working class tenements that destroyed Syria.
> 
>
> Yes foolish you. In fact it was some evil "US allies" in the region who
> may have sent some food packages or night goggles (hell, even worse, maybe
> some light arms) to the people inhabiting those working class tenements,
> that destroyed Syria. A great many in the Orwellian School of Left Analysis
> say so.
>
> And many of that same school now say, as usual in complete agreement with
> the imperialists, that hundreds of thousands are not being bombed into the
> Mediterranean Sea by Assad, but rather are fleeing "war,", or ISIS, or
> "western intervention. Wow.
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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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On 9/3/15 8:10 AM, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote:

But they fueled the civil war destroying Syria by giving hope to the
various contenders for power over Syria to be legitimized and
recognized by "the international community" (led by the USA) as the
new ruler of the country.


What a penetrating analysis. Foolish me thinking it was MIG's firing 
missiles into working class tenements that destroyed Syria.

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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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on Donnerstag, 3. September 2015 at 15:56, Michael Karadjis via Marxism wrote:

> And many of that same school now say, as usual in complete agreement 
> with the imperialists, that hundreds of thousands are not being bombed
> into the Mediterranean Sea by Assad, but rather are fleeing "war,", or
> ISIS, or "western intervention. Wow. 

  Millions of Syrians are fleeing the war, because they see the civil war 
destroying Syria making their life there unbearable. 

  And because they do not want to be part of that war. That's why they try to 
get out of harms way. 

  The countries of the aggressor seem to be the best place to find rest, 
because in war by proxy and teleguided from "home" is the calm spot like the 
eye of the storm. 

  You and all the other talking heads on the Corporate News Networks do, of 
course, deny the responsibility of the imperialist war against the Third World. 
You want the aggression to deepen with bombings by the B52 and other means of 
terrorism. You all want the Syrian government to be overturned by force and the 
country put under a subservient government. But when young people heed your 
call and actually go to Syria to join the fight, then they are demonized as 
"terrorists" and put in jail on their return. 

 
Cheers, 
Lüko Willms

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[Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

[Clay Claiborne via Marxism]

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New from Linux Beach:


 Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's
 holocaust?
 
http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2015/08/are-71-syrian-refugees-found-dead-in.html

We now know that the 71 dead bodies found in the back of a truck on a 
road in Austria were refugees from Syria. They left Syria, not for 
economic reasons, as with so many migrants from Africa and the Middle 
East; they fled Syria as refugees because for four years now *Syrian 
President Bashat al-Assad* has responded to the popular demand that he 
step down my making war on civilians 
http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2013/07/assads-new-strategy-nothing-makes.html. 
I think these deaths, like a growing number, are the result of what I 
am beginning to call Assad's holocaust. *UN Secretary General Ban 
Ki-moon* must be feeling the much same. He said 
http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sgsm17039.doc.htm the Syrian war had 
/“just been manifested on a roadside in the heart of Europe.”/ 
*More...* 
http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2015/08/are-71-syrian-refugees-found-dead-in.html*

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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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3,500 Afghans Fight In Syria As Iran Use Refugees To Bolster Assad:
“Many Afghan Shiite Fighters Have Suffered The Fate Of Being Used As Cannon 
Fodder”

Aug 26 2015 By Mirwais Adeel, Khaama Press

The latest estimates suggest at least 3,500 Afghans are fighting in Syria in 
support of Bashar al-Assad, shedding light on growing recruitment of Afghans in 
the conflict which was around 500 less as compared to estimates three months 
back.

Relatives of a number of those killed while fighting for the Syrian regime have 
said the Afghan nationals are lured by the month salary of $700 and Iranian 
residency permit.

Phillip Smyth, an expert on Shiite militant groups, told AFP an estimated 2,000 
to 3,500 Afghans are currently fighting in Syria.

He said “In terms of how they are recruited, deployed, and utilized in Syria, 
many Afghan Shiite fighters have suffered the fate of being used as cannon 
fodder.”

Smyth further added “Some are coerced to fight; others promised residency 
papers for their family, and a small salary. It demonstrates Iran’s 
exploitation of Afghan Shiite refugees.”

This comes as a video emerged from Syria three months ago which purportedly 
showed the capture of four Afghan nationals by the Syrian rebels.

Two teenage boys are also seen among those captured during the clashes 
apparently by the rebels belonging to the Free Syrian Army.

The group was reportedly deployed to Syria to take part in the ongoing conflict 
by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.

The men appearing in the video introduces them while speaking in Dari language 
and describes unemployment as the main reason behind their decision to fight in 
Syria.

Dozens of Afghan nationals were reportedly killed late in December last year 
while fighting in support of the Syrian regime led by Bashar al-Assad.

According to the estimates back in April, some 3,000 Afghan nationals have been 
deployed to take part in the ongoing Syria conflict.

The Afghan militants are fighting on both sides of the Syrian war, in support 
of the Syria Bashar al-Assad and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) 
militants.

Informed sources in the Afghan government have also confirmed that the number 
includes Iranian-backed Shiites fighting a proxy war in support of Syrian 
President Bashar al-Assad and against Islamic State and other rebel groups.

The participation of Afghan militants in Syria war has sparked concerns among 
the Afghan officials some will return to fight in Afghanistan under Islamic 
State’s banner.




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From: Clay Claiborne via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu
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To: Thomas F Barton thomasfbar...@earthlink.net
Subject: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of 
Assad's holocaust?


New from Linux Beach:


  Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's
  holocaust?
  
 http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2015/08/are-71-syrian-refugees-found-dead-in.html

 We now know that the 71 dead bodies found in the back of a truck on a 
 road in Austria were refugees from Syria. They left Syria, not for 
 economic reasons, as with so many migrants from Africa and the Middle 
 East; they fled Syria as refugees because for four years now *Syrian 
 President Bashat al-Assad* has responded to the popular demand that he 
 step down my making war on civilians 
 http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2013/07/assads-new-strategy-nothing-makes.html.
  
 I think these deaths, like a growing number, are the result of what I 
 am beginning to call Assad's holocaust. *UN Secretary General Ban 
 Ki-moon* must be feeling the much same. He said 
 http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/sgsm17039.doc.htm the Syrian war had 
 /“just been manifested on a roadside in the heart of Europe.”/ 
*More...* 
http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2015/08/are-71-syrian-refugees-found-dead-in.html*


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