Re: [Marxism] Build the March 24th protests against the out-of-control US gun lobby!

[A.R. G via Marxism]

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As it is, background checks and non-gun-related laws (such as
counter-terrorism statutes) already prevent any serious dissident group
from amassing weapons that could be used for the purpose of overthrowing
the government, which is what I presume some revolutionary leftists want
gun rights for. If someone wants guns for that purpose they will face a
formidable opposition regardless of whether or not the government regulates
access to assault rifles or small arms by "average Joes". That is, for the
purpose of violating the laws or overthrowing the government, the reality
is that any group that wants to do that would probably have to flout the
law (and the government enforcing it) anyway. Moreover, any such group that
has any shot at being successful would have to be able to galvanize the
masses through politics. If that were the case, and such a movement decided
to arm itself, having already amassed political power, it would be able to
do so regardless of what statutes say because it would be in a position of
political authority (unlike a disconnected individual who wants to buy a
gun for personal reasons, whatever those may be). The gun statutes are
about whether random individuals -- including opponents of any sort of
revolution, such as right-wing extremists, gun nuts, ex-military people,
anti-Communist militiamen, etc -- can simply go into a store or a gun show
and buy weapons. Worse, because right-wing groups aren't subject to the
same scrutiny from law enforcement when it comes to "counter-terrorism",
they will be able to use their superior finances to actually stockpile
weapons for the purpose of preventing any sort of violent leftist
overthrow.

Obviously much of the debate is mediocre and exploitatively uses the school
shootings to inflame passions, even though most gun violence does not take
place in the form of mass shootings. But that is true of any political
campaign and doesn't really say anything about the reasonableness of the
demands.

I think it is fair to say that there should be some reasonable restrictions
on buying a gun. Certainly, the revolution needs cars, but we don't oppose
driver's license requirements or bans on drunk driving?

Thinking out loud.

Amith R. Gupta



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> and since the revolution hasn't installed proletarian rule , we should
> oppose any and all enforcement of laws against murder, rape, arson,
> kidnapping, and traffic violations by the capitalist "justice" system!
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Re: [Marxism] Build the March 24th protests against the out-of-control US gun lobby!

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and since the revolution hasn't installed proletarian rule , we should
oppose any and all enforcement of laws against murder, rape, arson,
kidnapping, and traffic violations by the capitalist "justice" system!

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Re: [Marxism] Build the March 24th protests against the out-of-control US gun lobby!

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I cannot speak for you, but I am guessing that you support some restrictions on 
access to arms.  Eg., would you support the right of individuals to go into a 
retail outlet and buy a grenade launcher?  Or a surface-to-air missile launcher?
ken h

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> I’d like to hear what people on this list are thinking about this movement.
> If I were in the US I would get involved.
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Re: [Marxism] Build the March 24th protests against the out-of-control US gun lobby!

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Of course ... the state is a neutral body, protecting the interests of
everyone, so it should have a monopoly of force. The police and the
military should have all the serious weapons.

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Re: [Marxism] Build the March 24th protests against the out-of-control US gun lobby!

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I’d like to hear what people on this list are thinking about this movement.
If I were in the US I would get involved.
ken h

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[Marxism] Build the March 24th protests against the out-of-control US gun lobby!

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