Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Hong Kong protests and the conspiracist left | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

2014-10-02 Thread Shane Mage via Marxism

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On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

http://louisproyect.org/2014/10/02/the-hong-kong-protests-and-the-conspiracist-left/


Buried deep inside a NY Times article, you get...

An example of the degeneracy of what was once a competently edited  
newspaper:


...it’s an ancient culture. A century’s old mix... (this for  
centuries-old)






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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Hong Kong protests and the conspiracist left | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

2014-10-02 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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On 10/2/14 4:59 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:



http://louisproyect.org/2014/10/02/the-hong-kong-protests-and-the-conspiracist-left/


An interesting comment that just turned up.

I don't know that there is a real reason behind the protests. There 
are probably many. This has been unraveling since 1997. Universal 
suffrage is one reason. China's heavy-handed influence, its interference 
with education in Hong Kong, bribes that have corrupted a previously 
clean civil service, favoritism toward billionaires have all been 
mentioned by students in interviews.What's more I've been hearing these 
complaints since the handover. Censorship from China has hung over Hong 
Kong libraries for instance. China has also been accused of making 
Shanghai its model city at Hong Kong's expense. Students have much to 
protest.


The universities of Hong Kong involved are considered world class, 
students and faculty. Many students and faculty probably have at least 
one great-grandparent or two from Mainland China who fled the 
holocaust-like famine and the cultural revolution. The majority of those 
refugees were cantonese peasants. To see these students slandered by 
some pro-China, pro-Russia lowlifes with a grudge against this 
NED-thing, which nobody in Hong Kong has ever heard of before, is 
outrageous. Claims of foreign interference in a city of immigrants 
that was a British colony for 155 years, a famous cosmopolitan gateway 
to China and home to many billionaires (some originally from Shanghai 
families) is laughable. The city is filled with influences , as were 
many Chinese cities, until war and xenophobia and explosively bad 
politics got in the way. What these conspiracy theorists don't point out 
is that _more_ money than anyone can possibly account for probably goes 
under the table, by _way of Mainland China_, which by the way is 
communist mostly in name, IMHO. That sort of corruption eventually 
destroys infrastructure and whatever social services are left.



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