Re: [Marxism] Greece’s new government halts sale of Piraeus port
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * There is no question on condemning SYRIZA here. It would be irrelevant. After all condemning SYRIZA is copyrighted by KKE. When ANTARSYA were fighting with the movements against Samaras and Co the last 5 years, they knew that they were favouring SYRIZA's electoral success. KKE knew it as well, and that's why they have been regularly condemned too as SYRIZA's tail. The question is to put the facts in their real dimensions in order to act upon them. My point is, that the elections -the defeat of ND PASOK- was a moment of detonation of all the explosives that the general strikes, the occupations, the stubborn struggles of the working class, in spite of the efforts of the yellow confederations, even in spite of the betrayals of KKE and SYRIZA who were constantly calling to retreat, have gathered around Samaras' government. One the other hand this same victory for SYRIZA reflects the petit-bourgeois fantasy of a return to sweet 2009. And SYRIZA is looking for a way to that direction So the first point is that SYRIZA's government is not a left (let alone worker's) government. Neither objectively nor by their own claim. PM Tsipras has not yet pronounced the words left government and no one could blame him for that. The second point would be that of locating the pawns on the chessboard. Who is where. If the Eurasianist Kotzias and the Turk-eater Toskas are in charge of greece's foreign affairs we must expect a certain tendency on that subject. etc etc A concrete analysis is needed to sustain the main general target that this government should become a *hostage of the movement*. And that does concern and includes anyone who inside or outside syriza stands for the workers' cause. It may be a mess but, as you have reminded by Lenin's words on the irish cause, this is always the case. Including an hilarious aspect from which, since now KKE will probably be more willing to promote strikes against its main enemy (third period after all), i am afraid that ANTARSYA wouldn't be this time condemned by SYRIZA's government as KKE's tail!! Damn! Have we stepped on devils tail? JA On 28/01/2015 11:37 μμ, Louis Proyect wrote: On 1/28/15 4:25 PM, ioannis aposperites via Marxism wrote: In the photo (link below) the new greek minister of foreign affairs Nikos Kotzias, a former Stalinist, on the left in front of the Pireaus University where he teaches, is receiving Dugin: selective affinities http://www.4pt.su/en/node/812 I don't think there's anybody on Marxmail who detests people like Dugin more than me. That being said, I am not ready to condemn Syriza because of this, no more so than I would condemn Venezuela or Cuba for its support for Gaddafi and al-Assad. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Greece’s new government halts sale of Piraeus port
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Also, people can condemn SYRIZA all they want, it doesn;t deal with the actual situation. SYRIZA didn't win a majority. THey wanted to, they very nearly did, and they didn't. The KKE won't deal with them. The KKE's sectarianismk in this regard is to blame. The strangest is seeing some eople say this deal proves the KKE was right to not deal with SYRIZA, missing the blindingly obvious fact that it is the KKE that have left SYRIZA with little choice. Without the KKE, the only other force opposied to the austerity is the Independent Greeks. It owuld be far better oif SYRIZA won a majoroity. It would be far better if there was a left government headed by SYRIZA with the KKE as its partner. Neither were possible. SYRIZA ran on the basis of forming an anti-austerity government with which to confront the forces destroying Greece. It is unlikely that many of the millions who voted for SYRIZA explicitely on this basis, because SYRIZA said it was willing to form fsuch a basis and theey believed it owuld be possible if they gave SYRIZA a vote, it is unlikely many of those millions who voted SYRIZA for the first time ever would have been happy if SYRIZA turned around and said well we nearly got there, we fell short by two seats to have an outright majority, oh well, we can't form government and then forced another election. It is unlikely people would understand or forgive and be prepared to give SYRIZA its vote again, leaving government in the hands of the pro-austerity forces. The far left is too used to being on the sidelines analysing, critcising and condemning. Yes, this situation is far from the ideal one, but that is how, after the campaign to win government, after that phase of the truggle played out, the cards have fallen. We don't have to pretend it is ideal to understand our tasks -- solidarity with the people of Greece in their struggle to halt and reverse the brutal class war against them -- have not changed. Stuart _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Greece’s new government halts sale of Piraeus port
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * In the photo (link below) the new greek minister of foreign affairs Nikos Kotzias, a former Stalinist, on the left in front of the Pireaus University where he teaches, is receiving Dugin: selective affinities http://www.4pt.su/en/node/812 JA _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Greece’s new government halts sale of Piraeus port
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 1/28/15 4:25 PM, ioannis aposperites via Marxism wrote: In the photo (link below) the new greek minister of foreign affairs Nikos Kotzias, a former Stalinist, on the left in front of the Pireaus University where he teaches, is receiving Dugin: selective affinities http://www.4pt.su/en/node/812 I don't think there's anybody on Marxmail who detests people like Dugin more than me. That being said, I am not ready to condemn Syriza because of this, no more so than I would condemn Venezuela or Cuba for its support for Gaddafi and al-Assad. Whenever I run into contradictions such as these, I like to remind myself what Lenin wrote about the Easter Rebellion: On May 9, 1916, there appeared, in Berner Tagwacht, the organ of the Zimmerwald group, including some of the Leftists, an article on the Irish rebellion entitled Their Song is Over and signed with the initials K.R. [Karl Radek]. It described the Irish rebellion as being nothing more nor less than a putsch, for, as the author argued, the Irish question was an agrarian one, the peasants had been pacified by reforms, and the nationalist movement remained only a purely urban, petty-bourgeois movement, which, notwithstanding the sensation it caused, had not much social backing... To imagine that social revolution is conceivable without revolts by small nations in the colonies and in Europe, without revolutionary outbursts by a section of the petty bourgeoisie WITHOUT ALL ITS PREJUDICES [italics in original], without a movement of the politically non-conscious proletarian and semi-proletarian masses against oppression by the landowners, the church, and the monarchy, against national oppression, etc.--to imagine all this is to REPUDIATE SOCIAL REVOLUTION. So one army lines up in one place and says, We are for socialism, and another, somewhere else and says, We are for imperialism, and that will be a social revolution! Only those who hold such a ridiculously pedantic view would vilify the Irish rebellion by calling it a putsch. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
