Re: [Marxism] Greek Deal Prospects Slim as Crisis Talks Resume, Louis Proyect via Marxism,

2015-07-12 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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On 7/12/15 5:50 PM, Michael Yates via Marxism wrote:


Louis, you say that the turn toward the market in Vietnam in the
mid-1980s embraced an economic program similar to that of the
Thieu-Ky government in power in the South at the end of the war. This
seems pretty hyperbolic to me. What was the program of the last
government in South Vietnam? Development through theft, corruption,
and murder? Military Keynesianism? Growth through enforced
urbanization?


You're right. I was too hasty. The reforms were not in themselves like 
the puppet government's economic approach. They were more like what 
China attempted in the early days when the Iron Rice Bowl was still 
guaranteed.


It took Vietnam about 15 years before it caught up to China:

NY Times, Sept. 1 2012
In Vietnam, Message of Equality Is Challenged by Widening Wealth Gap
By THOMAS FULLER

HANOI, Vietnam — She wore a pink outfit and matching high heels as she 
toured the dusty construction site. Soon after To Linh Huong’s visit in 
April, photos that captured the moment went viral on the Internet, but 
not because of Ms. Huong’s sense of style.


The daughter of a member of the Vietnamese Communist Party’s Politburo, 
the country’s most powerful political body, Ms. Huong had only days 
before been appointed the head of a state-owned construction company. 
Commentators on the Internet expressed outrage that someone so young — 
she is reported to be 24 — held such a senior corporate post.


“Taking a little girl who just graduated from journalism school and 
making her the director general of a construction company is no 
different than making a one-legged man a soccer goalie,” read a comment 
on Pham Viet Dao, a popular blog by a Vietnamese writer of the same 
name. “Sorry to say — this is so stupid.”


Like the Communist Party leaders in China, Vietnam’s political mandarins 
are struggling to reconcile their party’s message of social justice and 
equality with the realities of an elite awash in wealth and privilege. 
The yawning divide between rural poverty and urban wealth has become 
especially jarring, now that a decade of breakneck growth has come to an 
end, dimming the prospects for the poor and middle class to fight their 
way up the social ladder.


“Up until now, growth has been wonderful, and to be rich was great,” 
said Carlyle A. Thayer, a leading expert on Vietnamese politics who has 
a database of Vietnamese leaders and their family members. “There’s a 
growing resentment, particularly among the have-nots, toward the wealthy.”


Much of the ire has been focused on Vietnam’s version of crony 
capitalism — the close links between tycoons and top Communist Party 
officials. This criticism has been able to flourish partly because news 
of abuses has leaked out as state companies, which remain a central part 
of the economy, have floundered, helping precipitate Vietnam’s serious 
financial woes. Activists and critics have also been able to use the 
anonymity of the Web to skirt tight media controls that had kept many 
scandals out of public view.


As criticism has mounted, some of the relatives of Communist Party 
officials have stepped back from high profile roles.


Ms. Huong left her state-run company in June, three months after her 
appointment, and the daughter of the prime minister recently left one of 
her posts, at a private bank.


Government officials, meanwhile, are sounding defensive.

Vietnam’s president, Truong Tan Sang, issued a blunt self-criticism in a 
recent article in the state-run media, writing about the “failures and 
ineffectiveness of state-owned companies, the decay of political 
ideology and morality.” He also blamed the “lifestyle of a group of 
party members and officials” for the country’s problems.


“We should be proud about what we have done,” he wrote, speaking of the 
economic boom under Communist leadership, “but in the eyes of our 
ancestors, we should also feel ashamed for our weakness and failures, 
which have been preventing the growth of the nation.”


On the Internet and social networks, much of the anger about nepotism 
and poor economic management has been directed at Prime Minister Nguyen 
Tan Dung, who was re-elected to a five-year term last year amid the 
turmoil of failing state-owned companies.


“People are concerned that he has too much power — they feel he needs to 
be reined in,” said Mr. Thayer, who is emeritus professor at the 
University of New South Wales in Canberra, Australia.


Mr. Dung’s family was the focus of a diplomatic cable in 2006, the year 
he became prime minister, written by Seth Winnick, who at the time was 
United States consul general in Ho Chi Minh City.


Re: [Marxism] Greek Deal Prospects Slim as Crisis Talks Resume, Louis Proyect via Marxism,

2015-07-12 Thread Michael Yates via Marxism
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Louis, you say that the turn toward the market in Vietnam in the mid-1980s 
embraced an economic program similar to that of the Thieu-Ky government in 
power in the South at the end of the war. This seems pretty hyperbolic to me. 
What was the program of the last government in South Vietnam? Development 
through theft, corruption, and murder? Military Keynesianism? Growth through 
enforced urbanization? 
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