Re: [Marxism] Group linked to far-right ?boogaloo? movement plotted terror attacks against protesters: prosecutors

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Amith R. Gupta writes of Boogaloo "Hmmm, people with questionable views on
race, part of an amorphous and incoherent internet movement that opposes
state violence but has sketchy
characters, who use violence against infrastructure for the purpose of
accelerating social unrest. These men could have basically been Antifa."

If you don't like antifa, fine, but let's try to be accurate here. The
roots of antifa are completely different from those of boogaloo and so are
their politics. They have almost nothing in common, including their
attitude towards private property. And to imply that those in antifa would
be willing to collaborate with, no less allow in their ranks, overt racists
is simply ludicrous.

To make sure I'm not misunderstood: I am not an anarchist and strongly
disagree with that ideology. I disagree that random property damage can
lead the movement forward. I disagree that simply confronting fascists on
the streets is all that is needed and that a political approach is
unnecessary. I know that antifa can be damaging to the movement at times.
But they are far less of a danger than are the liberals. And do far less to
hold the movement back than does the union leadership.

John Reimann

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Re: [Marxism] Group linked to far-right ‘boogaloo’ movement plotted terror attacks against protesters: prosecutors

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I find it odd that there is so much disagreement about the character of
Antifa and yet everyone seems to agree that the Boogaloo Movement is a
far-right extremist movement. According to the bellingcat article that was
posted here some time ago, many of the people in this Boogaloo movement
very aggressively oppose police brutality toward African-Americans and
believe that the U.S. government is fundamentally corrupt. It also stated
that white nationalists who were attempting to take charge of the group
felt alienated and out of place because most of the people joined it agreed
with opposing police brutality generally.

It is true, they seem to have a "race-blind" attitude (unfortunately, like
many on the Left (TM)), but that hardly puts them in the same camp as the
Nazis. And more importantly, I would be incredibly weary, especially at a
time like this, of taking statements from prosecutors for granted. This
kind of thing could have happened to ANY of the young people protesting and
engaging in these kinds of actions, including Antifa types and leftists. I
also note that the article states they are accused of wanting to attack
both George Floyd protesters and anti-lockdown protesters. That is, they
are accused of trying to attack both left-wing and right-wing protests. The
prosecutor also suggests they are trying to "hijack" the protests. So
essentially, they are also parts of the things that they are allegedly
trying to destroy, for the sake of accelerating social unrest.

Hmmm, people with questionable views on race, part of an amorphous and
incoherent internet movement that opposes state violence but has sketchy
characters, who use violence against infrastructure for the purpose of
accelerating social unrest. These men could have basically been Antifa.
There is no apparent ideological or political difference. The arguments
being made by the "experts" quoted in this article are the same as those
being used to accuse anarchist / Antifa groups of being Neo-Nazi
infiltrators.

There is a very aggressive narrative that is trying to exploit the
amorphous character of the ongoing rebellion to cast suspicion on those
take part in it in the "wrong" way. We can disagree with someone's tactics
or even parts of their ideology without jumping to the conclusion that they
are Nazi infiltrators or police agents. I caution others to be weary of
these kinds of articles and these kinds of investigations.

Amith R. Gupta


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[Marxism] Group linked to far-right ‘boogaloo’ movement plotted terror attacks against protesters: prosecutors

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