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POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I don’t agree with Baraka’s bashing of the independent Black voices who were opposed to Obama from 2004 onwards. He was plain wrong to call the folks at Black Agenda Report anarchists and other slurs. He didn’t even advocate for a realistic lesser evil argument that acknowledged Obama was a neoliberal, he tried claiming that Obama was the harbinger of massive progressive change alongside that whole Carl Davidson tendency. That’s imperfect. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hiphopnews/amiri-baraka-calls-out-obama-haters-says-do-someth-t728.html https://blackagendareport.com/content/amiri-baraka-and-barack-obama-%E2%80%93-then-and-now As far as Stalin and the domestic abuses of the Soviet Union, does that negate that Castro and Mao used Stalin’s policy on the National Question as a cornerstone of their international solidarity with the national liberation struggles? Ironically also you want to uphold Breitman and his solidarity with the Black Power movement but conveniently avoid the irony that the Black Panthers found much ideological alignment with the Maoist approach to the national question, ie Stalin’s policies. Whoops! Best regards, Andrew Stewart - - - Subscribe to the Washington Babylon newsletter via https://washingtonbabylon.com/newsletter/ You tempt me to engage with the rest of that paragraph on George Breitman, in which you contrast to him what you call “the Marxist-Leninist view,” its main protagonist in your view being none other than... “Joseph Stalin.” Tell that to the dozens of oppressed nations and nationalities in Stalin’s USSR, from the Ukrainians to the Tatars. But that’s like shooting fish in a barrel, so I won’t bother to go there. Rest content with the "imperfect" Amiri Baraka (how patronizing!) and your own professed perfection. Richard _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
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POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * You tempt me to engage with the rest of that paragraph on George Breitman, in which you contrast to him what you call “the Marxist-Leninist view,” its main protagonist in your view being none other than... “Joseph Stalin.” Tell that to the dozens of oppressed nations and nationalities in Stalin’s USSR, from the Ukrainians to the Tatars. But that’s like shooting fish in a barrel, so I won’t bother to go there. Rest content with the "imperfect" Amiri Baraka (how patronizing!) and your own professed perfection. Richard -Original Message- From: Marxism [mailto:marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Stewart via Marxism Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:22 AM To: rfid...@ncf.ca Subject: Re: [Marxism] How Netflix And "Manning Marable" Killed Malcolm X (The Third Time) - CounterPunch.org POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * How strikingly ironic that in the final lines of your rebuttal you end up reinforcing my argument: “Malcolm did not complete this synthesis before he was assassinated. It remains for others to complete what he began." A) That anyone can look at the program that El-Shabazz was articulating at the time of his death and say it was somehow lacking is demonstrable of both paternalistic condescension and absolute cluelessness about the matter at hand. The Organization of Afro-American Unity was building a revolutionary internationalist bloc of power that accomplished far more than the tin-pot American Trots ever did. El-Shabazz was constructing multinational power across the Global South. His revolutionary education in prison was thoroughly soaked in Marxian thought, including Fanon and Du Bois. Plain and simple, the white American Left had more to learn from El-Shabazz than they had to teach him. His synthesis had been completed in prison and it was instead a matter of his rhetorical strategy evolving over the course of his ministerial career in order to better suit the nuances of his circumstances. The claim that he evolved or changed is complete garbage. It is interesting that you don’t include the lines from Kamau Franklin, author of the Breitman critique (perhaps you fear engagement with the substance of his points?), but oh well... B) The multicultural religious Left has always accomplished more than the secular Left cults. Du Bois elaborated on this in THE SOULS OF BLACK FOLK in the chapter about the Sorrow Songs. Martin Luther King Jr and El-Shabazz built power while the CPUSA and the Socialists and the Trotskyists didn’t. If you go back to the Debs era, the socialist periodical with highest subscription rate was a religious socialist one that crossed ethnic lines. Amiri Baraka, imperfect in a few areas, hit the nail on the head here in his analysis of the Marable book: https://blackbirdpressnews.blogspot.com/2011/05/amiri-baraka-on-marables-malcolm-x.html?m=1 You obviously have more to learn from Malcolm X than he would from you or Breitman. Best regards, Andrew Stewart - - - Subscribe to the Washington Babylon newsletter via https://washingtonbabylon.com/newsletter/ Andrew Stewart writes: "[George] Breitman's Eurocentric Trotskyism articulates the claim that Black nationalism is an ideological delusion that diverts from the revolutionary cause. This is contrary to the Marxist-Leninist view, one embraced by Cuba and China during the years El-Shabazz sought to build the bloc supporting the UN petition, that the national liberation struggles are themselves revolutionary." This is an outrageous misrepresentation. Anyone who has read George Breitman or who knew him personally (as I did) would consider the view attributed to him by Stewart to be beyond reason or belief. Breitman was one of the most far-sighted Marxist sympathizers of Black nationalism in the United States. He probably did more than anyone else to publicize Malcolm's revolutionary legacy (the real legacy ignored by the Netflix series). Consider just this one brief excerpt from his extensive writings spanning several decades. It is from "In Defense of Black Power," (October 1966), available with many other works in the Breitman Archive on Marxists.org.: "Organizationally, the Black Power tendency is only in the early stages of its development; the various groups and individuals who have raised t
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POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * How strikingly ironic that in the final lines of your rebuttal you end up reinforcing my argument: “Malcolm did not complete this synthesis before he was assassinated. It remains for others to complete what he began." A) That anyone can look at the program that El-Shabazz was articulating at the time of his death and say it was somehow lacking is demonstrable of both paternalistic condescension and absolute cluelessness about the matter at hand. The Organization of Afro-American Unity was building a revolutionary internationalist bloc of power that accomplished far more than the tin-pot American Trots ever did. El-Shabazz was constructing multinational power across the Global South. His revolutionary education in prison was thoroughly soaked in Marxian thought, including Fanon and Du Bois. Plain and simple, the white American Left had more to learn from El-Shabazz than they had to teach him. His synthesis had been completed in prison and it was instead a matter of his rhetorical strategy evolving over the course of his ministerial career in order to better suit the nuances of his circumstances. The claim that he evolved or changed is complete garbage. It is interesting that you don’t include the lines from Kamau Franklin, author of the Breitman critique (perhaps you fear engagement with the substance of his points?), but oh well... B) The multicultural religious Left has always accomplished more than the secular Left cults. Du Bois elaborated on this in THE SOULS OF BLACK FOLK in the chapter about the Sorrow Songs. Martin Luther King Jr and El-Shabazz built power while the CPUSA and the Socialists and the Trotskyists didn’t. If you go back to the Debs era, the socialist periodical with highest subscription rate was a religious socialist one that crossed ethnic lines. Amiri Baraka, imperfect in a few areas, hit the nail on the head here in his analysis of the Marable book: https://blackbirdpressnews.blogspot.com/2011/05/amiri-baraka-on-marables-malcolm-x.html?m=1 You obviously have more to learn from Malcolm X than he would from you or Breitman. Best regards, Andrew Stewart - - - Subscribe to the Washington Babylon newsletter via https://washingtonbabylon.com/newsletter/ Andrew Stewart writes: "[George] Breitman's Eurocentric Trotskyism articulates the claim that Black nationalism is an ideological delusion that diverts from the revolutionary cause. This is contrary to the Marxist-Leninist view, one embraced by Cuba and China during the years El-Shabazz sought to build the bloc supporting the UN petition, that the national liberation struggles are themselves revolutionary." This is an outrageous misrepresentation. Anyone who has read George Breitman or who knew him personally (as I did) would consider the view attributed to him by Stewart to be beyond reason or belief. Breitman was one of the most far-sighted Marxist sympathizers of Black nationalism in the United States. He probably did more than anyone else to publicize Malcolm's revolutionary legacy (the real legacy ignored by the Netflix series). Consider just this one brief excerpt from his extensive writings spanning several decades. It is from "In Defense of Black Power," (October 1966), available with many other works in the Breitman Archive on Marxists.org.: "Organizationally, the Black Power tendency is only in the early stages of its development; the various groups and individuals who have raised the Black Power banner have not yet defined their relations to each other or united into a single movement or federation. But numerically it is already considerably stronger than the organized adherents of Malcolm's movement. The Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) and the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), groups in the new tendency, are national organizations, with thousands of members or sympathizers. They have an experienced cadre of dedicated leaders and activists, hardened in battle along many fronts and equipped with a variety of skills. They represent the best of the new generation of young freedom fighters who appeared on the scene around 1960, with a consistently more militant outlook than that of previous generations and an enviable ability to learn from experience and grow. "Ideologically and politically, the Black Power tendency is also still in the process of crystallization. But its direction-to the left-is unmistakably indicated by the way it has broken away from several of the premises and shibboleths of the old "civil rights" consensus. Internationalist and anti-imperialist, it expresses solidarity with the worldwide struggle against colonialism and neo-colonialism,
Re: [Marxism] How Netflix And "Manning Marable" Killed Malcolm X (The Third Time) - CounterPunch.org
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * My thoughts exactly Dayne - for quite some time! On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 8:05 PM Dayne Goodwin via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > Important! Thanks for setting the record straight, Richard. > Unbelievable misrepresentation from Andrew Stewart. Shocking despite > already learning that it is a waste of my time to open messages from > Andrew Stewart and "Washington Babylon." > Dayne > > > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
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a consistently more > militant outlook than that of previous generations and an enviable ability to > learn from experience and grow. > > "Ideologically and politically, the Black Power tendency is also still in the > process of crystallization. But its direction-to the left-is unmistakably > indicated by the way it has broken away from several of the premises and > shibboleths of the old "civil rights" consensus. Internationalist and > anti-imperialist, it expresses solidarity with the worldwide struggle against > colonialism and neo-colonialism, condemns the US war in Vietnam and rejects > the > contention that the freedom movement "should not mix civil rights and foreign > policy." It spurns the straitjacket of "non-violence" and proclaims the right > of > self-defense. It challenges the fraudulent claim that freedom can be won > through > the passage of a series of civil-rights laws that are largely un-enforced and > benefit mainly middle-class Negroes. > > "Some of its adherents still believe in working inside the Democratic Party, > but > others advocate a complete break with the Democrats and Republicans and the > establishment of independent black or black-led parties - not only in Lowndes > County, Ala., but in the Northern ghettos. Some accept capitalism; others are > talking rather vaguely about a cooperative based economy for the black > community > that they think would be neither capitalist nor socialist; and there is also > evidently a pro-socialist grouping, as was shown when delegates at a Black > Power > planning conference in Washington Sept. 3 posed the need to "determine which > is > more politically feasible for the advancement of black power, capitalism or > socialism." > > Unfortunately, the book cited by Stewart (The Last Year of Malcolm X: The > Evolution of a Revolutionary) is not on-line, although it can be purchased > from > several sources. But anyone with a copy can see countless statements in it > that > refute Stewart's libellous allegation. In particular, I recommend what > Breitman > writes on pp. 55-56 and 66-69. As he states in the final paragraph of those > pages: > > "[Malcolm's] uncertainty about the name to call himself arose from the fact > that > he was doing something new in the United States -- he was on the way to a > synthesis of black nationalism and socialism that would be fitting for the > American scene and acceptable to the masses in the black ghetto. (An example > of > the tendency of revolutionary nationalism to grow over into and become merged > with socialism can be seen in Cuba, where Castro and his movement began as > nationalist.) Malcolm did not complete this synthesis before he was > assassinated. It remains for others to complete what he began." > > -- Richard > > -Original Message- > From: Marxism [mailto:marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew > Stewart via Marxism > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 6:50 AM > Subject: [Marxism] How Netflix And "Manning Marable" Killed Malcolm X (The > Third > Time) - CounterPunch.org > > https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/28/how-netflix-and-manning-marable-killed-m > alcolm-x-the-third-time/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
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e- From: Marxism [mailto:marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Stewart via Marxism Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 6:50 AM To: rfid...@ncf.ca Subject: [Marxism] How Netflix And "Manning Marable" Killed Malcolm X (The Third Time) - CounterPunch.org POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/28/how-netflix-and-manning-marable-killed-m alcolm-x-the-third-time/ Best regards, Andrew Stewart - - - Subscribe to the Washington Babylon newsletter via https://washingtonbabylon.com/newsletter/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/rfidler%40ncf.ca _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
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POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 2/28/20 6:50 AM, Andrew Stewart via Marxism wrote: https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/28/how-netflix-and-manning-marable-killed-malcolm-x-the-third-time/ "Breitman’s Eurocentric Trotskyism articulates the claim that Black nationalism is an ideological delusion that diverts from the revolutionary cause." Really? That's news to me. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
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POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/28/how-netflix-and-manning-marable-killed-malcolm-x-the-third-time/ Best regards, Andrew Stewart - - - Subscribe to the Washington Babylon newsletter via https://washingtonbabylon.com/newsletter/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
