Re: [Marxism] How a Campus Fight Drove 2 Left-Leaning Professors to Fox News
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Oh, but I did have plenty to offer. I posed the question that provoked Amith into giving the other side of the story. On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Michael Yates via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > Amith gives a good account, I think, of the context for the professor's > appearance on the odious Tucker Carlson's show. Sheldon Ranz has nothing > whatever to offer us. I taught for more than forty years and faced many > hostile students. And many, more dangerous people in bars, bowling alleys, > and on the streets of Johnstown, PA. That's part of being a radical. > Nothing, and I mean nothing, can justify going on that wretched pig's show, > and especially to cry crocodile tears over how you have been treated by > students who were fighting for social justice. > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/sranz18% > 40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] How a Campus Fight Drove 2 Left-Leaning Professors to Fox News
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Amith gives a good account, I think, of the context for the professor's appearance on the odious Tucker Carlson's show. Sheldon Ranz has nothing whatever to offer us. I taught for more than forty years and faced many hostile students. And many, more dangerous people in bars, bowling alleys, and on the streets of Johnstown, PA. That's part of being a radical. Nothing, and I mean nothing, can justify going on that wretched pig's show, and especially to cry crocodile tears over how you have been treated by students who were fighting for social justice. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] How a Campus Fight Drove 2 Left-Leaning Professors to Fox News
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * "When student(s) yell at them, "I don't care what you say.", I'd say that's a legitimate reason to get upset. Perhaps they professors should have called Bernie Sanders to mediate the dispute? " That is a complete crock of shit. The professor had been speaking his mind to the entire campus' faculty and much of the student body for weeks. Everyone knew and understood his point of view: that what was basically a mild affirmative action program and, separately, a completely voluntary day of off-campus panels for white students interested in learning about race issues, were basically acts of racist discrimination against white people. Weinstein repeatedly (and falsely) characterized the voluntary day as some kind of show of force and a call for discrimination against whites. The fact that there are angry students in every mob does not change that this guy is a tool. Even though he was clearly wrong about the nature of these campus events and student plans, he continued insisting on his position to the school's faculty body and through Twitter, and then took to FOX News to repeat what were total lies about "reverse" discrimination. I should add that this article, which near uncritically repeats Weinstein's version of events and portrays him as some sort of victim of a black/brown mob, ignored the underlying issue that the students on the campus had been raising, namely the fact that the administration had been closely collaborating with a local, heavy-handed police department that was engaged in discriminatory policing for decades; see this article from 1992: https://www.facebook.com/notes/ben-schroeter/evergreen-security-russeling-up-a-savage-webb-of-deceit/10207239022027890/ In the lead up to these events, two black students had been taken from their dorms by police late in the night after what was little more than an argument between themselves and another student over diversity issues on Facebook; they were held, only be to told in kafkaesque fashion that they had been free to go the entire time. Likewise, after a group of angry students yelled at Weinstein for being a liar outside his classroom, a police officer showed up and began manhandling students; the police department even issued a statement saying Weinstein wouldn't be "safe" on campus -- but neither Weinstein nor his students were ever physically harmed or even threatened with physical harm, and Weinstein repeatedly showed up during that time giving statements and speeches to angry students. There was, simply put, no evidence whatsoever that any of this was any more than an angry confrontation between students and a professor who could not let go of the fact that his claims were bogus. In short, despite years of discriminatory police violence on the Evergreen Campus and a close police-administration collaboration, every effort to make even the most minimal expressions of empathy with black/brown students on campus was met with shrill and bogus accusations of "reverse discrimination," from an attempt to incorporate diversity matters into hiring, to a voluntary day of off-campus educational panels for white students, to the students' anger over the way these events were handled generally. So the idea that Weinstein was simply at the end of his rope is grade A bullshit. Whether he holds nominally liberal or even leftist/socialist views is irrelevant. - Amith _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] How a Campus Fight Drove 2 Left-Leaning Professors to Fox News
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * " I don't see why the professors were so upset in the first place." In other words, you don't have any answers to what course of action they should have taken. When student(s) yell at them, "I don't care what you say.", I'd say that's a legitimate reason to get upset. Perhaps they professors should have called Bernie Sanders to mediate the dispute? On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Michael Yates via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > Sheldon Ranz, would you go on Tucker Carlson's show under any > circumstance? If you ever did, I'd call you a jackass too. Like Olaf says > in the ee cumming poem, there is some shit i will not eat. Of course, Olaf > was speaking to some serious business, vicious persecution by those who > would love Carlson today, not a tenured professor having to face hostile > students. Frankly, from what I have read, I don't see why the professors > were so upset in the first place. And now it seems that the fascists out > there are threatening to beat and kill all those they hate, which includes, > no doubt, all the black, gay, transgender, and radical students and faculty > on campus. Given what has been happening, in Portland and around the > country, there is good reason to take such threats seriously. > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/sranz18% > 40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] How a Campus Fight Drove 2 Left-Leaning Professors to Fox News
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Sheldon Ranz, would you go on Tucker Carlson's show under any circumstance? If you ever did, I'd call you a jackass too. Like Olaf says in the ee cumming poem, there is some shit i will not eat. Of course, Olaf was speaking to some serious business, vicious persecution by those who would love Carlson today, not a tenured professor having to face hostile students. Frankly, from what I have read, I don't see why the professors were so upset in the first place. And now it seems that the fascists out there are threatening to beat and kill all those they hate, which includes, no doubt, all the black, gay, transgender, and radical students and faculty on campus. Given what has been happening, in Portland and around the country, there is good reason to take such threats seriously. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] How a Campus Fight Drove 2 Left-Leaning Professors to Fox News
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * So, what should those Evergreen State professors have done instead? Encourage more audiences to be hostile so they can get experience points? On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Michael Yates via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > These two profs at Evergreen State marked themselves as real jackasses by > appearing on that consummate pig Tucker Carlson's Fox program. And then > they say that they don't view Fox the way they used to. A couple more > liberals dying to move to the right. Well, now they are there, right where > they belong. These profs need some more experience dealing with hostile > audiences. Instead, they took their case to Tucker Carlson. Some real > courage there. > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/sranz18% > 40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] How a Campus Fight Drove 2 Left-Leaning Professors to Fox News
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * These two profs at Evergreen State marked themselves as real jackasses by appearing on that consummate pig Tucker Carlson's Fox program. And then they say that they don't view Fox the way they used to. A couple more liberals dying to move to the right. Well, now they are there, right where they belong. These profs need some more experience dealing with hostile audiences. Instead, they took their case to Tucker Carlson. Some real courage there. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] How a Campus Fight Drove 2 Left-Leaning Professors to Fox News
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Chronicle of Higher Education, June 12 2017 How a Campus Fight Drove 2 Left-Leaning Professors to Fox News By Chris Quintana The two professors were horrified, both at what they had seen at their college in the past year and at what they planned to do about it. For months, Heather Heying and her husband, Bret Weinstein, had tried to convince their colleagues at Evergreen State College that the Washington campus was teetering on the brink of self-ruin. The administration seemed ready to adopt what they saw as an "authoritarian" policy aimed at increasing faculty diversity. Meanwhile, the couple thought, the president was indulging student protesters who seemed increasingly out of control. Ms. Heying and Mr. Weinstein, both biology professors who consider themselves politically progressive, had tried to sound the alarm bells. Mr. Weinstein had made his case in emails to faculty members and administrators that were later printed by the student newspaper. The couple had even made a trip to the governor’s office to warn two staff members that the public college was risking a "tragedy." Nothing had worked. Now the couple weighed a new option. A producer for Tucker Carlson Tonight, a prime-time show on Fox News, had asked if Mr. Weinstein wanted to make his case to the conservative commentator and his millions of viewers. It was a nauseating thought, says Ms. Heying. Theirs was an NPR family. Back in college, Mr. Weinstein had stood up to fraternities at the University of Pennsylvania over sexist and racist behavior at their parties. In an ideal world, says Ms. Heying, they would have talked to The New York Times or The Washington Post. But that’s not who had come calling. "He was horrified, I was horrified," Ms. Heying told The Chronicle. "Tucker Carlson is someone he mocks in his classes." But Mr. Weinstein had few allies on the campus. Some people were calling him racist for raising what he thought were reasonable concerns about how Evergreen State was dealing with issues of race and diversity. With their own colleagues seeming unreceptive, Mr. Weinstein and Ms. Heying were surprised to find themselves seriously considering Mr. Carlson’s offer. A ‘Strategic Equity Plan’ For Mr. Weinstein and Ms. Heying, the road to Fox News began last year, when Evergreen State, a small, public liberal-arts college in Olympia, Wash., moved to reorganize its administration as part of a "paradigm shift" in dealing with racial concerns. The "strategic equity plan" worried the two professors, specifically a portion that called for "an equity justification/explanation for each potential hire/position." Mr. Weinstein and Ms. Heying took that language to mean that the college would limit its hiring to scholars whose research touched on issues of race and inclusion. “How possibly could you hire an artist or chemist or writing faculty if the work didn't engage 'equity'?” "How possibly could you hire an artist or chemist or writing faculty if the work didn’t engage ‘equity’?" Ms. Heying asked The Chronicle. "It will be the end of the liberal-arts college." The authors of the plan referred to it not as a hiring mandate but as "a paradigm shift, grounded in the college’s longstanding diversity efforts," that would help it better accommodate underserved students. And the chair of the Board of Trustees, Gretchen Sorensen, described the equity council that drafted the plan as part of the college’s commitment "to leveling the playing field in higher education for communities of color." Mr. Weinstein expressed reservations about the plan in emails and at faculty meetings, but felt that his colleagues were eager to dismiss his views as racist instead of arguing with him in good faith. (Sandra Kaiser, a spokeswoman for the college, said this week that Evergreen State still had not made a final decision about the plan.) By this spring, Mr. Weinstein and Ms. Heying were not just concerned about the equity plan; they also felt an increasing sense of anxiety about what they saw as a streak of "authoritarianism" among campus liberals. In March, Mr. Weinstein objected to what he considered a disturbing request from student protesters: that, in a twist on a college tradition called the "Day of Absence," white people would voluntarily stay off campus for a day. Students criticized Mr. Weinstein’s opposition to the request. In May, after an incident in which police officers questioned two black students who had been accused of making threats, racial tensions on the campus reached a boil. One day, to Mr. Weinstein’s surprise, a crowd of students interrupted
