Re: [Marxism] How to Attract Female Engineers
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * 9 programming languages and the women who created them http://www.infoworld.com/article/2920296/application-development/9-programming-languages-and-the-women-who-created-them.html Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant http://www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math -- Original Message -- From: Jim Farmelant via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] How to Attract Female Engineers Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 23:46:39 GMT POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Computer programming in its earlier days was a much more female-oriented profession than it is today. That was primarily because back during the Second World War, US government defense labs hired many recent female college graduates with math or science degrees to perform the laborious computations that were required for such things a compiling artillery tables and such. Back in those days the people who performed such computations were called computers. During the war the first electronic digital computers were built and so some of these young women were then redeployed to program the newfangled ,machines, so many of the earliest computer programmers were women. Thus, some of the most notables in computer science, for example, Admiral Grace Hopper, who invented the first compiler, was a developer of early programming languages and headed the committee that developed COBOL, and there were other people like Ruth Teitelbaum and Marlyn Meltzer, who were among the first programmers for the ENIAC, which was the first electronic digital computer. For a long time thereafter, women continued to play a leading role with programming. On the other hand, computer programming was not a particularly high status profession. Scientists and engineers, amongst others, tended to look down upon programming as glorified clerical work. Eventually, attitudes changed, and computer programming was re-conceptualized as an engineering discipline. Starting in the late 1960s, it started to become fashionable to call programmers, software engineers (the term having been coined by another female pioneer in computer science, Margaret Hamilton). With this reconcptualization of the discipline, the status (and pay) for programmers gradually went up. It was now seen as a field that was eminently suitable for men, so the numbers of women in the field declined. After all, in the popular imagination at least, engineers are supposed to be men. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant http://www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Pollack via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism] How to Attract Female Engineers Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:34:23 -0400 POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Makes sense to me. It would be interesting to also look at how women are drawn to economics when their programs prioritize equally social-value oriented research projects (i.e. to analyze how capitalism fucks up work and family, and how that could be overcome). - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/27/opinion/how-to-attract-female-engineers.html?ref=opinion The Opinion Pages http://www.nytimes.com/pages/opinion/index.html | Op-Ed Contributor How to Attract Female Engineers By LINA NILSSONAPRIL 27, 2015 THE figures are well known: At Apple 20 percent of tech jobs are held by women and at Google, only 17 percent. A report by the Congressional Joint Economic Committee estimates that nationwide about 14 percent of engineers in the work force are women. As Sushi Safe to Eat? Learn Which 4 Fish to NEVER Eat (avoid these like the plague!) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/553ecaafdfdb84aae320ast04vuc _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/farmelantj%40juno.com
Re: [Marxism] How to Attract Female Engineers
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * 9 programming languages and the women who created them I'd also add to that list Henriette Davidson Avram, who, in the 1960s created the MARC (MAchine-Readable Cataloguing) data exchange protocol, which, like HTML, enables libraries throughout the world to exchange bibliographic data via computer networks. Though slowly going the way of the Dodo because of 'more universal' protocols in play like, well, HTML and XML, it is still the internationally-recognized data exchange protocol among library information systems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henriette_Avram Craig Butosi, MA, MLIS, B Mus (Hons) Website: http://www.craigbutosi.ca On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Jim Farmelant via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * 9 programming languages and the women who created them http://www.infoworld.com/article/2920296/application-development/9-programming-languages-and-the-women-who-created-them.html Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant http://www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math -- Original Message -- From: Jim Farmelant via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Jim Farmelant farmela...@juno.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] How to Attract Female Engineers Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 23:46:39 GMT POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Computer programming in its earlier days was a much more female-oriented profession than it is today. That was primarily because back during the Second World War, US government defense labs hired many recent female college graduates with math or science degrees to perform the laborious computations that were required for such things a compiling artillery tables and such. Back in those days the people who performed such computations were called computers. During the war the first electronic digital computers were built and so some of these young women were then redeployed to program the newfangled ,machines, so many of the earliest computer programmers were women. Thus, some of the most notables in computer science, for example, Admiral Grace Hopper, who invented the first compiler, was a developer of early programming languages and headed the committee that developed COBOL, and there were other people like Ruth Teitelbaum and Marlyn Meltzer, who were among the first programmers for the ENIAC, which was the first electronic digital computer. For a long time thereafter, women continued to play a leading role with programming. On the other hand, computer programming was not a particularly high status profession. Scientists and engineers, amongst others, tended to look down upon programming as glorified clerical work. Eventually, attitudes changed, and computer programming was re-conceptualized as an engineering discipline. Starting in the late 1960s, it started to become fashionable to call programmers, software engineers (the term having been coined by another female pioneer in computer science, Margaret Hamilton). With this reconcptualization of the discipline, the status (and pay) for programmers gradually went up. It was now seen as a field that was eminently suitable for men, so the numbers of women in the field declined. After all, in the popular imagination at least, engineers are supposed to be men. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant http://www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Pollack via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism] How to Attract Female Engineers Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:34:23 -0400 POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Makes sense to me. It would be interesting to also look at how women are drawn to economics when their programs prioritize equally social-value
Re: [Marxism] How to Attract Female Engineers
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Computer programming in its earlier days was a much more female-oriented profession than it is today. That was primarily because back during the Second World War, US government defense labs hired many recent female college graduates with math or science degrees to perform the laborious computations that were required for such things a compiling artillery tables and such. Back in those days the people who performed such computations were called computers. During the war the first electronic digital computers were built and so some of these young women were then redeployed to program the newfangled ,machines, so many of the earliest computer programmers were women. Thus, some of the most notables in computer science, for example, Admiral Grace Hopper, who invented the first compiler, was a developer of early programming languages and headed the committee that developed COBOL, and there were other people like Ruth Teitelbaum and Marlyn Meltzer, who were among the first programmers for the ENIAC, which was the first electronic digital computer. For a long time thereafter, women continued to play a leading role with programming. On the other hand, computer programming was not a particularly high status profession. Scientists and engineers, amongst others, tended to look down upon programming as glorified clerical work. Eventually, attitudes changed, and computer programming was re-conceptualized as an engineering discipline. Starting in the late 1960s, it started to become fashionable to call programmers, software engineers (the term having been coined by another female pioneer in computer science, Margaret Hamilton). With this reconcptualization of the discipline, the status (and pay) for programmers gradually went up. It was now seen as a field that was eminently suitable for men, so the numbers of women in the field declined. After all, in the popular imagination at least, engineers are supposed to be men. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant http://www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Pollack via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism] How to Attract Female Engineers Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:34:23 -0400 POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Makes sense to me. It would be interesting to also look at how women are drawn to economics when their programs prioritize equally social-value oriented research projects (i.e. to analyze how capitalism fucks up work and family, and how that could be overcome). - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/27/opinion/how-to-attract-female-engineers.html?ref=opinion The Opinion Pages http://www.nytimes.com/pages/opinion/index.html | Op-Ed Contributor How to Attract Female Engineers By LINA NILSSONAPRIL 27, 2015 THE figures are well known: At Apple 20 percent of tech jobs are held by women and at Google, only 17 percent. A report by the Congressional Joint Economic Committee estimates that nationwide about 14 percent of engineers in the work force are women. As Sushi Safe to Eat? Learn Which 4 Fish to NEVER Eat #40;avoid these like the plague!#41; http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/553ecaafdfdb84aae320ast04vuc _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] How to Attract Female Engineers
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 04/27/2015 07:46 PM, Jim Farmelant via Marxism wrote: US government defense labs hired many recent female college graduates with math or science degrees to perform the laborious computations that were required for such things a compiling artillery tables and such. Back in those days the people who performed such computations were called computers. Yes, exactly. My great-uncle Donald was the mathematician in charge of the computing group for the theoretical division of the Manhattan Project. Under him were a group of women who did the grunt work. Some of them were scientists wives, according to the book cited, among other things,they work better and are cheaper. Today of course this work can be done in India and other places that are cheaper. Some things never change under capitalism. Jon Flanders https://books.google.com/books?id=Ys0N4rFgt6UCpg=PA99lpg=PA99dq=donald+flanders+manhattan+projectsource=blots=Kr_34L9Sdvsig=WIRievDupWm5lmTyVdMpcsZS7c0hl=ensa=Xei=_A4_VYrmGsbLsAS8qoGYBQved=0CDgQ6AEwBQ#v=onepageq=donald%20flanders%20manhattan%20projectf=false _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
