Re: [Marxism] New Zealand's flag debate and referendum

2015-09-06 Thread Gary MacLennan via Marxism
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Phil

It might be the Irish in me that objects to the "butchers' apron"  but I
welcome the abandonment of the Union Jack even if it is only in the
corner.  There are symbols and symbols, as you well know.   I recall
wrestling with a fascist thug in the 70 to protect the red flag.  Well to
be honest I twisted his finger!  But it was not only about symbols.

As for your other remarks about the parlous state of the NZ working class
and the push to enfold them all into the modern  nation, I agree of
course.  Still what we are seeing is a split between conservatives and
neoliberal radicals.  Here in Australia it is manifesting itself with a
revival of the Australian Republican movement.

comradely

Gary

On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Philip Ferguson via Marxism <
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> The NZ flag features the Union Jack in the top left corner with the rest of
> the flag being the southern corss constellation, very, very similar to
> Australia's.  They have one more star on theirs.
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> As part of the modernisation of NZ capitalist society, prime minister John
> Key initiated a flag discussion and two referenda.
>
> A bunch of alternative flags have been created, with a 'representative'
> panel of NZers going through these and whittling the laternatives down to
> 4.  This has been done.  Next there will be a public referendum to find the
> most popular of these four.  Then there will be a further referendum in
> which the winner will be pitted against the existing flag.
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> What's going on?
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> https://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/redlines-guide-to-a-new-kiwi-flag/
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[Marxism] New Zealand's flag debate and referendum

2015-09-05 Thread Philip Ferguson via Marxism
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The NZ flag features the Union Jack in the top left corner with the rest of
the flag being the southern corss constellation, very, very similar to
Australia's.  They have one more star on theirs.

As part of the modernisation of NZ capitalist society, prime minister John
Key initiated a flag discussion and two referenda.

A bunch of alternative flags have been created, with a 'representative'
panel of NZers going through these and whittling the laternatives down to
4.  This has been done.  Next there will be a public referendum to find the
most popular of these four.  Then there will be a further referendum in
which the winner will be pitted against the existing flag.

What's going on?

https://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/03/11/redlines-guide-to-a-new-kiwi-flag/

Phil
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