Re: [Marxism] Redline articles on Imperialism and the Middle East
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 9/13/16 6:19 PM, Jeff via Marxism wrote: By the way, it's alright to admit your past mistakes when you become aware of them. In fact it's a very good idea. And it's a hell of a lot better than sticking to them out of stubbornness, thus repeating them time after time. You think I am stupid or something? All you do is put people on the defensive here. Why don't you get off your high horse and go read some David Harvey or Mike Davis and write an intelligent report on what you read. Learn to be productive rather than a hectoring pill. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Redline articles on Imperialism and the Middle East
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * At 18:05 13-09-16 -0400, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: > >Always putting people on trial like you are a socialist D.A. Get over >yourself. Oh please! I'm not "putting anyone on trial." Phillip posted material on this list as if it represented his views. Like any other post. If Phillip doesn't agree with what was written on his website, all he has to do is say so and correct the views he doesn't agree with. If he wants to defend those views then he can do so like anyone else. I'm here for discussion, obviously, and I happen to disagree with the notion that the Syrian revolution is a sectarian struggle, and I see no evidence that Allawites are regularly targeted for their religion. That's a possible point of discussion but not a view I've seen much on this list, nor one that I think Phillip could well defend. By the way, it's alright to admit your past mistakes when you become aware of them. In fact it's a very good idea. And it's a hell of a lot better than sticking to them out of stubbornness, thus repeating them time after time. - Jeff _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Redline articles on Imperialism and the Middle East
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Explanations are required, though. Who is the author, and is the rest of his article(s) as denialist toward the Syrian Revolution? Has anyone read the other articles on the list? (Needless to say this overlaps with the question of redline's pro-PFLP proclivities.) _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Redline articles on Imperialism and the Middle East
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 9/13/16 6:02 PM, Jeff via Marxism wrote: Since Phillip is the only member of that group on this list (that I know of), I'll just ask him directly: Do you really believe that the Syrian revolution is "dominated" by those who fight Assad "primarily for being Alawite?" For that matter, could you even point to a single rebel group that clearly fits that description? Always putting people on trial like you are a socialist D.A. Get over yourself. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Redline articles on Imperialism and the Middle East
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * At 14:26 13-09-16 -0400, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: >> At 16:21 13-09-16 +1200, Philip Ferguson via Marxism wrote: >> https://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/the-syrian-dilemma/ >> >> . While there is a secular, liberal opposition to Assad, these are >> not the kind of social forces prepared to take up arms. Islamic >> fundamentalists, however, were prepared to do so. So, unsurprisingly, >> the armed struggle against Assad was and still is dominated by the >> Islamic-extremists who fight Assad not for being corrupt and oppressive >> but primarily for being Alawite.. > >I would have formulated it this way: Fine. But this isn't about how Louis would have formulated it, or how I would have formulated it. It's about how the writer at Redline DID formulate it when they started to write about Syria on a blank piece of paper on which they could have written anything at all they chose. Since Phillip is the only member of that group on this list (that I know of), I'll just ask him directly: Do you really believe that the Syrian revolution is "dominated" by those who fight Assad "primarily for being Alawite?" For that matter, could you even point to a single rebel group that clearly fits that description? - Jeff > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Redline articles on Imperialism and the Middle East
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 9/13/16 2:06 PM, Jeff via Marxism wrote: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/the-syrian-dilemma/ . While there is a secular, liberal opposition to Assad, these are not the kind of social forces prepared to take up arms. Islamic fundamentalists, however, were prepared to do so. So, unsurprisingly, the armed struggle against Assad was and still is dominated by the Islamic-extremists who fight Assad not for being corrupt and oppressive but primarily for being Alawite.. I would have formulated it this way: In 2011, a peaceful mass movement took to the streets in the same fashion as the rest of North Africa and the Middle East. From the very start, Assad's snipers began firing on the protests until men with military training as well as some civilians with no such experience formed militias to protect the protestors who were demanding democracy and social justice. Those militias emerged into the FSA but other militias with an Islamist agenda began to form as well. They soon developed into a formidable force since they could rely on the financial support and a steady stream of munitions from states in the region who had little interest in the goals of the Arab Spring. This included Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey first and foremost. Additionally, al-Qaeda in Syria, aka al-Nusra, relied on non-state sympathizers to fortify their own militias. Between the three wings of the armed resistance, there are tactical agreements that keep them together but with obvious friction. Finally, there is ISIS that effectively had a non-aggression pact with Assad until more recently. Even now, there are simultaneous attacks on the non-ISIS militias by it, the Kurds and the Baathists each seeking to promote their own narrow interests. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Redline articles on Imperialism and the Middle East
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 2016-09-13 06:21, Philip Ferguson via Marxism wrote: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/imperialism-and-the-middle-east/ Well this is just an index of previous articles, and indeed the one I'm quoting from below is from 2013. But if you simply repost an old article without further comment, it's tantamount to just publishing it today. So is this really what you believe? Have you learnt nothing from the information and sharp analyses posted on this list? https://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/the-syrian-dilemma/ . While there is a secular, liberal opposition to Assad, these are not the kind of social forces prepared to take up arms. Islamic fundamentalists, however, were prepared to do so. So, unsurprisingly, the armed struggle against Assad was and still is dominated by the Islamic-extremists who fight Assad not for being corrupt and oppressive but primarily for being Alawite.. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
