Re: [Marxism] Stathis Kouvelakis It's Time for a Rupture
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 07/05/2015 07:57 μμ, Dayne Goodwin wrote: I hope you are not right that any efficacious popular mobilization could ever be introduced from above is a mistaken hypothesis. For one thing, i hope that Syriza's relationship with 'the people' is not experienced as simply from above. I don't know if my poor english betrayed my thoughts but i agree that, although syriza has notoriously weak links with its electoral base and the working class, its relationship with the people is not at all to be summed up as from above. And of course it will never be too late for the people to intervene, otherwise what's the point to be Marxist? What i argue is that when a government says repeatedly to the people everything is under control, there is no reason to worry about, an agreement with our *partners* is more than certain and imminent ... , this government can not make a sudden U turn, as Kouvelakis is suggesting, say to this very people well you know, these guys were not really our partners; in fact they are bloodthirsty capitalists! Let us take the streets to confront them and expect a popular mobilization of a *complementary* and politically subjugated character, as it is meant to be. THAT would be an impossibility from above. If a popular mobilization is to be expected hoped and prepared, it would have an autonomous and independent from the state character and of course it is unpredictable what could trigger it. What makes me skeptical about, is that there appear to be many people around here in greece, including antarsya as a whole and Kouvelakis co inside syriza, who do hang, one way or another, their hopes on a working class mobilization, but they do nothing to prepare or even prepare themselves about it! Though all my references are obviously in greek, the climate i describe is also detectable into Kouvelakis' text. All about people's mobilization is just a wish, and this is the case not only for Kouvelakis co inside syriza, but for the overall antarsya as well. JA _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Stathis Kouvelakis It's Time for a Rupture
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 07/05/2015 01:49 πμ, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism wrote: It’s Time for a Rupture The fear of Greek exit from the euro should no longer cripple us. by Stathis Kouvelakis Jacobin magazine, May 6 https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/05/kouvelakis-syriza-ecb-grexit Between Kouvelakis' lines one can hear echoed St Paul's exclamation: dixi et salvavi animam meam. Because although he is right saying that if with the February 20 agreement the lenders had agreed to “ensure liquidity,” if they had delinked its provision from the specific austerity plans they seek to impose, they would simply have deprived themselves of the most significant means of exerting pressure they have at their disposal. That Tsakalotos believed they would do this smacks of extreme political naivety, if not willful blindness he suffers himself from the same illness. That Kouvelakis believes the activation of the popular mobilization is always at the disposal of the government, smacks of extreme political naivety, if not willful blindness. And this, not only because the people is not some kind of matter inert to the political messages of retreat that government emits since February; not only because a popular mobilization -beyond a mere demonstration- can not take place on demand; not only because bourgeois parties and their EU allies will not confine themselves to just watching the show; not only because there has not been any organizational initiative to shape an eventual popular mobilization. There is also a fundamentally wrong working hypothesis that any efficacious popular mobilization could ever be introduced from above... JA _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Stathis Kouvelakis It's Time for a Rupture
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I think you are right about Kouvelakis, JA, particularly the brief and context-less bow to popular mobilization: The only escape route from the threatened confinement in the cage of the Memoranda, and derailment of the government’s project, lies in the activation of the popular mobilization... You have put Kouvelakis in good company with that Catholic confessional I have spoken and saved my soul. Marx ends his Critique of the Gotha Program with that Latin phrase. I hope you are not right that any efficacious popular mobilization could ever be introduced from above is a mistaken hypothesis. For one thing, i hope that Syriza's relationship with 'the people' is not experienced as simply from above. And i don't think that it is already too late for efficacious popular mobilization - neither in Greece nor elsewhere. I expect that there will be new developments and the situation may change in ways that make widespread progressive popular mobilization more obviously appropriate, constructive and necessary. Dayne On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:28 AM, ioannis aposperites via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: On 07/05/2015 01:49 πμ, Dayne Goodwin via Marxism wrote: It’s Time for a Rupture The fear of Greek exit from the euro should no longer cripple us. by Stathis Kouvelakis Jacobin magazine, May 6 https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/05/kouvelakis-syriza-ecb-grexit Between Kouvelakis' lines one can hear echoed St Paul's exclamation: dixi et salvavi animam meam. Because although he is right saying that if with the February 20 agreement the lenders had agreed to “ensure liquidity,” if they had delinked its provision from the specific austerity plans they seek to impose, they would simply have deprived themselves of the most significant means of exerting pressure they have at their disposal. That Tsakalotos believed they would do this smacks of extreme political naivety, if not willful blindness he suffers himself from the same illness. That Kouvelakis believes the activation of the popular mobilization is always at the disposal of the government, smacks of extreme political naivety, if not willful blindness. And this, not only because the people is not some kind of matter inert to the political messages of retreat that government emits since February; not only because a popular mobilization -beyond a mere demonstration- can not take place on demand; not only because bourgeois parties and their EU allies will not confine themselves to just watching the show; not only because there has not been any organizational initiative to shape an eventual popular mobilization. There is also a fundamentally wrong working hypothesis that any efficacious popular mobilization could ever be introduced from above... JA _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Stathis Kouvelakis It's Time for a Rupture
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * It’s Time for a Rupture The fear of Greek exit from the euro should no longer cripple us. by Stathis Kouvelakis Jacobin magazine, May 6 https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/05/kouvelakis-syriza-ecb-grexit . . . The time has come to put an immediate end to the surrealistic references to “mutually beneficial solutions” and the “partners” with whom we are supposedly “joint proprietors of the EU.” The time has come to reveal to Greek and international public opinion the data that would expose the relentless war being waged against this government. And the time has come, above all, to prepare at long last, politically, technically and culturally, for the only honorable solution, the parting of the ways with this implacable neoliberal cabal. The time has come to make concrete the content, and explain the viability, of the alternative proposal, starting with the twofold initiative of a suspension of payments to the lenders and the nationalization of the banks and progressing, if necessary, to the choice of a national currency, approved by the public through a popular referendum. The time has come for serious thought but also for decisiveness. This is the time when disaster and redemption stand next to each other. This is the time to fight back. _ _ _ _ _ _ Stathis Kouvelakis teaches political theory at King’s College London and serves on the central committee of Syriza. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
