Re: [Marxism] UNAC et al. shill for Houthis
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * on Montag, 11. Mai 2015 at 04:37, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote: All the essentials, The essentials being the buzzwords of the bourgeois WMD (Weapons of Mass Disinformation), the Corporate News Media: tyranny and theft. Karadjis left out the more catching phrase of corruption, but he of course mentioned the independent Iran as the main force of evil. Classes and imperialist interests don't concern. So all aligned. Karadjis should apply for a post at CNN or Faux News. Cheers, Lüko Willms _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] UNAC et al. shill for Houthis
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Luko has of course become a shill for the Assad genocide regime. Sad really. But as such I consider getting slandered by him as a badge of honour. More specifically. The essentials being the buzzwords of the bourgeois WMD (Weapons of Mass Disinformation), the Corporate News Media: tyranny and theft. Right, so Saleh's 30-year long US- and Saudi-backed dictatorship was not tyrannical, even when it was slaughtering peaceful protestors during the Arab Spring uprising in 2011? Suit yourself Luko. And Saleh didn't steal $60 billion, a Mubarak-type figure, except that Yemen is much poorer than Egypt? But that's OK, isn't it Luko, who oddly thinks I'm the one not talking about *class*. Yeh, $60 billion dollar folk are true anti-imperialist revolutionaries. Karadjis ... of course mentioned the independent Iran as the main force of evil. independent Iran sounds a little like classic Stalinist revisionism regarding independent capitalist states. But even then, given the very open rapproachment between US imperialism and the Iranian theocracy going on today, including joint military operations in Iraq, and effectively in Syria, that's just a laugh. Open your eyes Luko. The US provides intelligence to the Saudi campaign, jsut as it shares intelligence with your favourite independent fascist regime in Damascus. However, in Iraq US bombers overhead support Iranian troops on the ground in support of their joint puppet regime and its Shiite death squads. A little deeper involvement, isn't it? But regardless of Iran being a key force of counterrevolution in Syria and sectarian slaughter in Iraq, I did NOT talk of Iran as a source of evil in Yemen. You should learn to read before you slander, and then slander based on what was written. I said Iran plays a minor role and the fundamental fact was Saleh's attempted counterrevolution through his control of the Yemeni armed forces. Classes and imperialist interests don't concern. As above. So all aligned. Karadjis should apply for a post at CNN or Faux News. You're a scream Luko. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] UNAC et al. shill for Houthis
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This is very good. I hope you plan to publish it or something like it. There is a lot of confusion on the Yemeni situation, and that includes me, and the is one of the clearest analysis I'm seen. Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com Linux Beach Productions Venice, CA 90291 (310) 581-1536 Read my blogs at the Linux Beach http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/ http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] UNAC et al. shill for Houthis
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * of course Houthis are not Hezbollah which is not the Brotherhood which is not... But the Houthis have no organic connection to the revolution which swept Yemen 5 years ago, to the grassroots committees, especially in the South, and they are primarily a sectarian, undemocratic armed force. See MERIP on Yemen, and follow my retweets from Yemeni activists. Note also how this episode serves Iranian foreign policy aims. On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: On 5/10/15 8:18 PM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote: http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/05/10/410416/redcrescent-yemen-activists Anyone who's followed the tweets and posts of Yemeni antiwar activists knows that neither side represents the real grassroots revolution, and that Houthis are about as credible an opposition as al-Nusra in Syria. But listen to this: Is supporting the Houthis the same thing as supporting Hizbollah in Syria? I think it is more complicated than that. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] UNAC et al. shill for Houthis
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * WOW, Michael! All the essentials, and so quickly! Will share if no objection. On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 10:21 PM, mkaradjis . mkarad...@gmail.com wrote: The Ansarullah organization, commonly called the “Houthis” in US media, is at the center of a broad coalition of forces that is writing a new constitution. Popular Committees have sprung up all across the country.' That is a pack of lies. There are indeed Popular Resistance Committees al over the south, especially in Aden and Taiz, that are precisely those who are resisting the invasion of the south by the Houthi/Saleh forces, and they were resisting before the Saudi bombing began and indicate they will continue to regardless of Saudi ceasefires. That's because it is a life and death struggle for them. The southern resistance is usually called Hadi supporters by the media. This reflects the fact that some of them are the wing of the formerl;y ruling General People's Congress that supports Hadi (who replaced the detested tyrant Saleh in the Arab Spring yemeni revolution) and the wing of the military they control. However, the forces supporting the resistance in the south are the traditional southern left - the Yemeni Socialist Party, the Nasserites, the Southern independence movement (the mvt to revive South Yemen) - as well as the Muslim Brotherhood-aligned Islah party, and the tribal confederations of the south. In addition, significant sections of the Saleh-controled armed forces have defected in the south since the opnme war began, to the Hadi side (ie, the side of the government recognised as legitimate by the UNSC and the Arab League). I know it may be difficult, but we need to recognise that this movement has its own existence regardless of the fact that the neighbouring reactionary absolute monarchy has committed its own aggression, for its own reasons, against Yemen, ostensibly on the side of the southern resistance. But for people who find it difficult to see Saudi Arabia on the side of the very forces that it fought against in the 1960s, I'll say two things. First, facts are important, regardless of how uncomforatbale they make us feel. We just need to deal with them and analyse them. Second, leftists need to stop analysing Middle east politics through the prisms of how things were 50 years ago (1960s Nasserism before 1967, the yemeni civil war etc). Quite simply, when sectarian Shiite invaders from the far north of the country, allied to the tyrant they thought they overthrew, are bombing you with warplanes, firing rockets and using tanks against your cities in the opposite end of the country in order to militarily crush you, you are likely to resist (even if some funny leftists in the US like to refer to the military invasion and crushing of people under mountains of blood as being the actions of a broad coalition of forces that is writing a new constitution. Further, we need to stop just talking about the Houthis. The Houthi forces are, no doubt, reactionary, sectarian and allied with and armed by Iran. However, noone really thinks they have received such a decisive level of Iranian arms as to allow them to take over nearly the whole of Yemen. In other words, in itself, no amount of Iranian support can put Iran at the same level as Saudi Arabia in terms of outside intervention. But in that case, how could a militia which only has a base among the Shia (Zaydi) of the far north take over all the way to Aden (almost)? It also wasn't due to popular support (anti-Houthio demonstratiosn of hundreds of thousands erupted in the capital Sanaa and other cities when they launched their coup there in January, and you don't need to bomb and shell cities if you have popular support). No, the absolutely decisive factor has been the opportunist alliance between the Houthi and Saleh (even if, whenn in power, a then Saudi-backed Saleh launched 7 wars against the Houthi in their own stronghold in the north!). Saleh, who stole $60 billion dollars from poverty-stricken Yemen still controls a large section fo the military (as a result of the half-baked 'Yemeni solution' whereby he was shiunted aside to be replaced by Hadi and a broader coalition to save the regime overall). Not satisfied with $60 billion and continued control of armed forces and not being arrested and imprisoned for tyranny and theft, the megalomaniac Saleh has used his control of the Yemeni armed forces, his links to the pro-Saleh high command, to mobilise the whole arsenal of warplanes, tanks, missiles and armed forces under his command to join the Houthi aggression. He aims to put his son in power. Whether
[Marxism] UNAC et al. shill for Houthis
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/05/10/410416/redcrescent-yemen-activists Anyone who's followed the tweets and posts of Yemeni antiwar activists knows that neither side represents the real grassroots revolution, and that Houthis are about as credible an opposition as al-Nusra in Syria. But listen to this: The Ansarullah organization, commonly called the “Houthis” in US media, is at the center of a broad coalition of forces that is writing a new constitution. Popular Committees have sprung up all across the country.' The sad thing is that Yemenis DESPERATELY need humanitarian aid; these stalinoids have just muddied the waters of sincere attempts to provide it. See also UNAC's earlier statement at http://nepajac.org/yemen.htm _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] UNAC et al. shill for Houthis
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The Ansarullah organization, commonly called the “Houthis” in US media, is at the center of a broad coalition of forces that is writing a new constitution. Popular Committees have sprung up all across the country.' That is a pack of lies. There are indeed Popular Resistance Committees al over the south, especially in Aden and Taiz, that are precisely those who are resisting the invasion of the south by the Houthi/Saleh forces, and they were resisting before the Saudi bombing began and indicate they will continue to regardless of Saudi ceasefires. That's because it is a life and death struggle for them. The southern resistance is usually called Hadi supporters by the media. This reflects the fact that some of them are the wing of the formerl;y ruling General People's Congress that supports Hadi (who replaced the detested tyrant Saleh in the Arab Spring yemeni revolution) and the wing of the military they control. However, the forces supporting the resistance in the south are the traditional southern left - the Yemeni Socialist Party, the Nasserites, the Southern independence movement (the mvt to revive South Yemen) - as well as the Muslim Brotherhood-aligned Islah party, and the tribal confederations of the south. In addition, significant sections of the Saleh-controled armed forces have defected in the south since the opnme war began, to the Hadi side (ie, the side of the government recognised as legitimate by the UNSC and the Arab League). I know it may be difficult, but we need to recognise that this movement has its own existence regardless of the fact that the neighbouring reactionary absolute monarchy has committed its own aggression, for its own reasons, against Yemen, ostensibly on the side of the southern resistance. But for people who find it difficult to see Saudi Arabia on the side of the very forces that it fought against in the 1960s, I'll say two things. First, facts are important, regardless of how uncomforatbale they make us feel. We just need to deal with them and analyse them. Second, leftists need to stop analysing Middle east politics through the prisms of how things were 50 years ago (1960s Nasserism before 1967, the yemeni civil war etc). Quite simply, when sectarian Shiite invaders from the far north of the country, allied to the tyrant they thought they overthrew, are bombing you with warplanes, firing rockets and using tanks against your cities in the opposite end of the country in order to militarily crush you, you are likely to resist (even if some funny leftists in the US like to refer to the military invasion and crushing of people under mountains of blood as being the actions of a broad coalition of forces that is writing a new constitution. Further, we need to stop just talking about the Houthis. The Houthi forces are, no doubt, reactionary, sectarian and allied with and armed by Iran. However, noone really thinks they have received such a decisive level of Iranian arms as to allow them to take over nearly the whole of Yemen. In other words, in itself, no amount of Iranian support can put Iran at the same level as Saudi Arabia in terms of outside intervention. But in that case, how could a militia which only has a base among the Shia (Zaydi) of the far north take over all the way to Aden (almost)? It also wasn't due to popular support (anti-Houthio demonstratiosn of hundreds of thousands erupted in the capital Sanaa and other cities when they launched their coup there in January, and you don't need to bomb and shell cities if you have popular support). No, the absolutely decisive factor has been the opportunist alliance between the Houthi and Saleh (even if, whenn in power, a then Saudi-backed Saleh launched 7 wars against the Houthi in their own stronghold in the north!). Saleh, who stole $60 billion dollars from poverty-stricken Yemen still controls a large section fo the military (as a result of the half-baked 'Yemeni solution' whereby he was shiunted aside to be replaced by Hadi and a broader coalition to save the regime overall). Not satisfied with $60 billion and continued control of armed forces and not being arrested and imprisoned for tyranny and theft, the megalomaniac Saleh has used his control of the Yemeni armed forces, his links to the pro-Saleh high command, to mobilise the whole arsenal of warplanes, tanks, missiles and armed forces under his command to join the Houthi aggression. He aims to put his son in power. Whether the Saleh and Houthi forces eventually fight themselves remains to eb seen, but for the moment, he decided that an aliance with Iran and the Houthis would be a useful vehicle to use for his attempted counterrevolution. If
Re: [Marxism] UNAC et al. shill for Houthis
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 5/10/15 8:18 PM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote: http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/05/10/410416/redcrescent-yemen-activists Anyone who's followed the tweets and posts of Yemeni antiwar activists knows that neither side represents the real grassroots revolution, and that Houthis are about as credible an opposition as al-Nusra in Syria. But listen to this: Is supporting the Houthis the same thing as supporting Hizbollah in Syria? I think it is more complicated than that. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
