Re: [Marxism] What do socialists mean by socialism? | SocialistWorker.org

2018-08-29 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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On 8/29/18 6:20 PM, Fred Murphy wrote:
FYI, Neal Meyer, cited in this article, is a leading figure in the new 
DSA tendency Socialist Call - the ones who republished the Peter Camejo 
speech Lou posted about elsewhere.


I got faked out by them posting a talk by Peter. I discussed Meyer last 
month as it happens:


If you want some help understanding democratic-socialism, you might want 
to consult Neal Mayer’s “What is Democratic Socialism” in (where else?) 
Jacobin. Mayer is on the DSA’s Citywide Leadership Committee and 
obviously qualified to speak for the spanking New Left.


He proposes a “Democratic Road to Socialism” that is different from the 
one conceived by “our friends on the socialist left”, in other words the 
people Ben Judah describes as being into “commodified ironic Soviet 
kitsch”. Speaking for the DSA (and likely the Jacobin editorial board), 
Mayer writes: “We reject strategies that transplant paths from Russia in 
1917 or Cuba in 1959 to the United States today, as if we could win 
socialism by storming the White House and tossing Donald Trump out on 
the front lawn.”


Oh, I see. Remind me not to write any more articles about winning 
socialism by storming the White House and tossing Donald Trump out on 
the front lawn.” I must have gotten such a silly idea from reading too 
much CLR James. I mean, for fuck’s sake, anybody writing such drivel 
understands about as much as Cuba in 1959 as I do about particle 
physics. Fidel Castro got started as a bourgeois politician just like 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and only became a guerrilla after realizing 
that electoral politics in Cuba was a con game. Unlike most people 
seeking comfortable careers as professional politicians, Fidel Castro 
cared about the suffering of the Cuban people even if he didn’t live up 
to Sam Farber’s lofty standards.


Like most DSA’ers, Mayer sees work in the Democratic Party as a tactical 
question to be decided pragmatically:


"To begin with, Sanders rose through an established party. Though 
political parties have suffered a profound degree of delegitimation, 
this has not sidelined them; their continuing economic and social impact 
ensure their continuing relevance. That they were nevertheless weakened 
gave individuals like Sanders who were not tainted with being part of 
the party establishment the advantage of operating inside these parties 
while retaining their branding as outsiders (this was also true of 
Corbyn in the Labour Party and Trump re the Republicans).


"Had Sanders run as an independent, without the on-the-ground resources 
of the Democratic machine and the profile of running as a Democrat, it 
was highly unlikely — as he well knew — that his campaign would have had 
anywhere near the impact it did, just as attempts to form a left party 
outside the British Labour Party have generally and quickly faded. For 
all the discrediting of political parties, party politics remains a 
central site for being taken seriously. Starting a new party from 
scratch is something else and presents formidable difficulties."


Obviously, this is just another way of saying what Ben Judah said: 
“Now—even more so since the success of Alexandria 
Ocasio-Cortez—millennial socialist activists are convinced that the 
hollow establishment parties that their forerunners disdained are 
instruments ripe for the taking.”


full: https://louisproyect.org/2018/07/26/bring-back-communism/



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2018-08-29 Thread Fred Murphy via Marxism
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FYI, Neal Meyer, cited in this article, is a leading figure in the new DSA
tendency Socialist Call - the ones who republished the Peter Camejo speech
Lou posted about elsewhere.

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