Re: [Marxism] DSA/Jacobin/Haymarket-sponsored 'Socialism' conference features US gov-funded regime-change activists | The Grayzone
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/9/19 1:57 PM, A.R. G via Marxism wrote: The rest of the article is nuts but I think the questions that Max & Ben raise about the NED and the China panels is significant. Why did DSA invite people whose work is funded by the NED to speak about China? True, it might not negate their views as individuals and perhaps some of their work is good, but it is odd to have people with funding from the NED speaking at a "Socialism" conference. I generally avoid it each year. It reminds me of Left Forum, which I also ignore. Amith R. Gupta I dealt with these questions 5 years ago but this time the NED business was being raised by Moon of Alabama rather than Grayzone. This will give you an idea of how far into orbit Norton and Blumenthal have gone. Moon of Alabama is ground zero for this kind of "follow the money" conspiracism. Moon of Alabama excoriated them for plagiarizing Vanessa Beeley on the White Helmets. I wonder if they'll get the same kind of static for plagiarizing MofA. Here's my take on NED funding: https://louisproyect.org/2014/10/02/the-hong-kong-protests-and-the-conspiracist-left/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] DSA/Jacobin/Haymarket-sponsored 'Socialism' conference features US gov-funded regime-change activists | The Grayzone
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The rest of the article is nuts but I think the questions that Max & Ben raise about the NED and the China panels is significant. Why did DSA invite people whose work is funded by the NED to speak about China? True, it might not negate their views as individuals and perhaps some of their work is good, but it is odd to have people with funding from the NED speaking at a "Socialism" conference. I generally avoid it each year. It reminds me of Left Forum, which I also ignore. Amith R. Gupta On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 5:22 AM Dayne Goodwin via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 12:41 PM Louis Proyect via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > > This is the kind of article I'd expect to read in WSWS.org. These guys > > are wacko. > > > > > https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/06/dsa-jacobin-iso-socialism-conference-us-funded-regime-change/ > > > They are wacko middle class moralists. They don't approach world politics > on a marxist, materialist workers class struggle basis but on an abstract > moral perspective of taking a stance against evil (U.S. imperialist > government) on the side of good (governments in conflict with U.S. > government). The capitalist regime oppressing workers in Russia is on the > "anti-imperialist" good side in their book. > > The modus operandi of these wackos is not based on working class struggle > but instead on bourgeois moral purity. They search to find some connection > - however insignificant, distant, accidental (or predictable, given > politics in a capitalist world) - that their target has with some > capitalist entity, government or non-governmental. See! we have proven > that our enemies are not pure, now we can reveal that they are part of a > conscious and secret imperialist plot. > > This is the simplistic moralist methodology of Russian > counter-revolutionaries who accused Lenin and the Bolsheviks of being > traitors and German agents: the Bolsheviks took money and assistance from > the German government! > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] DSA/Jacobin/Haymarket-sponsored 'Socialism' conference features US gov-funded regime-change activists | The Grayzone
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 12:41 PM Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > This is the kind of article I'd expect to read in WSWS.org. These guys > are wacko. > > https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/06/dsa-jacobin-iso-socialism-conference-us-funded-regime-change/ They are wacko middle class moralists. They don't approach world politics on a marxist, materialist workers class struggle basis but on an abstract moral perspective of taking a stance against evil (U.S. imperialist government) on the side of good (governments in conflict with U.S. government). The capitalist regime oppressing workers in Russia is on the "anti-imperialist" good side in their book. The modus operandi of these wackos is not based on working class struggle but instead on bourgeois moral purity. They search to find some connection - however insignificant, distant, accidental (or predictable, given politics in a capitalist world) - that their target has with some capitalist entity, government or non-governmental. See! we have proven that our enemies are not pure, now we can reveal that they are part of a conscious and secret imperialist plot. This is the simplistic moralist methodology of Russian counter-revolutionaries who accused Lenin and the Bolsheviks of being traitors and German agents: the Bolsheviks took money and assistance from the German government! _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
