Re: [Marxism] Greek Referendum
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This is the problem. You are for class-struggle methods in Greece but are posing this to a mailing list of Marxists with one or two Greeks who already agree with you. Preaching to the choir does not begin to describe the absurdity of your intervention here. Our main concern is not why Tsipras has the gumption to be a neo-Keynesian but why the revolutionary left in Greece is so divided and isolated. The small groups in Syriza that are for socialism could never get a hearing unless they were part of Syriza. Antarsya's miniscule vote would indicate the level of support for your way of thinking even though they would find your brand of ultraleft sectarianism useless. It is much easier to excoriate Syriza than to figure out how to build a revolutionary left, particularly in the USA where you live and where you have wasted 40 years of your life wallowing in the sterile, kibbitzing, masturbatory type of politics that the Spartacist League excels in. If you had something interesting to say about building the left in the USA, it might be easier to take you seriously but this costume party pretense at Trotsky in Coyoacan is laughable. You'd have more credibility if you imitated Elvis or Napoleon Bonaparte. On 7/4/15 1:19 PM, James Creegan wrote: In today's neoliberal Europe, it is impossible to achieve even neo-Keynesian measures without class-struggle methods. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Greek Referendum
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/4/15 11:49 AM, James Creegan wrote: Yes, I caught on to the Louis Proyect theory of leadership a long time ago: If people are confused and ambivalent, it is the task of leaders to... reflect their confusion and ambivalence. You don't seem to get my point. Syriza was neo-Keynesian economically. When Tsipras came to the USA, he visited the Jerome Levy Institute at Bard College not the Spartacist League. Pointing out its failure to adopt Bolshevik policies is asinine. Our problem as Marxists is to construct an alternative leadership, not to issue sterile critiques of people who never pretended to be anything except leftist opponents of austerity. We can offer our solidarity to such forces as Podemos, Syriza and the Scottish National Party without abandoning the effort to construct revolutionary socialist organizations. In your miserable 4 decades on the left, you have done nothing but write these sterile critiques from the sidelines without ever having led a mass movement against any social injustice. The left has generally abandoned the Spartacist League politics you espouse and has moved on. It is really too bad that you are mired in the past but understandable. Cynthia Cochran once observed to me that the left in its impotent failure to constitute a real threat to the capitalist class has settled into a pattern of attacking the traitors in our midst. She was talking exactly about you. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Greek Referendum
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * But don't you get it? The Greeks voted for Syriza because the party reflected their own indecision. Polls reflected support for remaining in the eurozone even if you and the Spartacist League and the Socialist Equality Party knew better. Maybe some of these poor benighted souls will stumble across the Marxmail archives, read your rock-ribbed Bolshevik analysis and the scales will fall from their eyes. Jim Creegan saves the Greeks and then the planet. Hallelujah! On 7/4/15 6:41 AM, James Creegan via Marxism wrote: I will be very surprised if a majority of voters, in the face of all these contradictory moves, mixed signals and panic from their leaders, nevertheless decide to vote No. Such an outcome would represent a truly heroic act of defiance. The Geeks will have chosend to risk entrusting their future to leaders of demonstrated indecision and weakness rather than knuckle under to the debt lords. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
