Re: [Marxism] Palestinians divided over contact with Israelis
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Unfortunately, this repeats the canard that the debate is over Israeli Jews. In fact, Palestinian and Arab anti-normalization efforts concern themselves with all Israeli nationality holders that are non-Arab, as this statement by the Jordanian Popular Boycott Movement words it: http://972mag.com/anti-normalization-and-the-israeli-left-a-facebook-debate/55566/letter-2 Both the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions National Committee (BNC) and the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI) define normalization, in somewhat more liberal terms than the Arab boycott, “as the participation in any project, initiative or activity, in Palestine or internationally, that aims (implicitly or explicitly) to bring together Palestinians (and/or Arabs) and Israelis (people or institutions) without placing as its goal resistance to and exposure of the Israeli occupation and all forms of discrimination and oppression against the Palestinian people.” http://www.pacbi.org/etemplate.php?id=1749 Israelis would be universally understood in this context to exclude Palestinians, or Syrians from the Golan, with Israeli passports. Needless to say, the words Jew and Jewish are never mentioned. So whatever you think of Hass' exclusion, it isn't about her Jewishness, and would be no different if she were an ethnic Russian, etc. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Palestinians divided over contact with Israelis
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This debate is not over the presence of Israeli Jews like Amira Haas? Who in the Jewish State fits the description all Israeli nationality holders that are non-Arab? The non-Arab Christian Bahai - 4% of the population? The Jordanian Popular Boycott Movement statement clearly defines all Israeli Jews who live in occupied Palestine as Zionists, regardless of whether they oppose the 1967 and 1948 massacres, occupation, and ethnic cleansing. The advice given to Haas is to leave Israel to prove her anti-Zionist bonafides. The not-so subtle implication is that all other Israeli Jews follow that example. I posted this not to criticize these activists as racists in reverse but to point out that this completely justifiable bitterness was inevitable given the lack of meaningful opposition by Israeli Jews to the occupation, de-Arabization, and mass murder in Gaza. Yet, by lumping all Israeli Jews as the enemy, it strengthens the Zionist narrative of they want to drive us all into the sea and our strong state is the only defense against that. Six million Israeli Jews who, historically speaking, don't belong there, nevertheless are there and are not leaving. Strategy and tactics must recognize that fact. On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Joseph Catron jncat...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, this repeats the canard that the debate is over Israeli Jews. In fact, Palestinian and Arab anti-normalization efforts concern themselves with all Israeli nationality holders that are non-Arab, as this statement by the Jordanian Popular Boycott Movement words it: http://972mag.com/anti-normalization-and-the-israeli-left-a-facebook-debate/55566/letter-2 Both the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions National Committee (BNC) and the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI) define normalization, in somewhat more liberal terms than the Arab boycott, “as the participation in any project, initiative or activity, in Palestine or internationally, that aims (implicitly or explicitly) to bring together Palestinians (and/or Arabs) and Israelis (people or institutions) without placing as its goal resistance to and exposure of the Israeli occupation and all forms of discrimination and oppression against the Palestinian people.” http://www.pacbi.org/etemplate.php?id=1749 Israelis would be universally understood in this context to exclude Palestinians, or Syrians from the Golan, with Israeli passports. Needless to say, the words Jew and Jewish are never mentioned. So whatever you think of Hass' exclusion, it isn't about her Jewishness, and would be no different if she were an ethnic Russian, etc. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Palestinians divided over contact with Israelis
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Oct 13, 2014, at 6:10 AM, Joseph Catron via Marxism wrote: Unfortunately, this repeats the canard that the debate is over Israeli Jews. In fact, Palestinian and Arab anti-normalization efforts concern themselves with all Israeli nationality holders that are non-Arab, Since Arab is a linguistic, not racial, category, does this exclude from the non-Arab category the population of Oriental Jews, whose historical mother tongue is Arabic? Shane Mage L'après-vie, c'est une auberge espagnole. L'on n'y trouve que ce qu'on a apporté. Bardo Thodol Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Palestinians divided over contact with Israelis
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:30 PM, A.R. G amithrgu...@gmail.com wrote: There's an additional factor not being considered regarding this bitterness which is the reality -- and danger -- of Israeli Jews being present in occupied Palestine, including in Palestinian communities, even if they are leftist, to the people living there. If something were to happen to Amira Hass, whether because some deranged angry guy came and tried to harm her, irrespective of the views of 99% of the Palestinian community there, you can see what the political fallout will be. Right, those kinds of things can happen. Non-Israeli Jews usually get even more of an exaggerated welcome in Gaza than the rest of us. (Hell, the few Israeli ones who trickle in, like Miko Peled, do too.) But I remember a case a few years ago when a Jewish reporter was attacked here - not very effectually, I don't think - by a knife-wielding Palestinian with clear mental health issues. Everyone was appalled, of course, but that won't soothe the minds of the security guys who are responsible for staying awake at night to worry about this stuff. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
