Re: [Marxism] question re Israeli training of US cops
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Here's some info, with links, from an impeccably pro-Zionist source. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/homeland.html Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant http://www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Pollack via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: [Marxism] question re Israeli training of US cops Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 12:10:45 -0400 POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Rania Khalek has a new, good article on Baltimore/Israel policing parallels -- and collaboration. The headline, and a section in the second half, emphasizes the latter, i.e. that many US police departments have sent personnel to Israel for training: http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/israeli-trained-police-invade-baltimore-crackdown-black-lives-matter Now here's the question: As far as I know, the police/army suppression of riots in the '60s occurred without any training of US forces by Israel, and yet were obviously equally bloody, vicious and gratuitous in use of violence. Same further back in US history. I raise this because when Ferguson jumped off some seemed to claim that without Zionist training our pigs wouldn't have been as repressive and well-armed, or at least not as much so. Frankly that seems like hogwash to me. But the question then is why is this training and collaboration happening? My guess is that a) they're junkets, i.e. a good way to pad the departments' budgets and show the boys a good time, and b) more importantly, that the Zionists have more training in recent years in crowd control and thus are a little sharper on their game (i.e. the components of the Empire are leapfrogging each other in combat readiness and efficiency). Thoughts? ps: for a good overview of the fire last time, see: http://socialistworker.org/2015/05/06/rebellion-and-the-black-working-class _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/farmelantj%40juno.com High School Yearbooks View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Reminisce Buy a Reprint Today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/554baba2520df2ba031e6st01vuc _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] question re Israeli training of US cops
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I'd also point out that there is an analogous phenomenon taking place wherein the US, drawing down some of its forces abroad, is beginning to use the same equipment and militarization on domestic police. In the same way Israel and its lobbyists wanted to show that they were on the forefront of the US war on terror in the early 2000s, they are now trying to jump on the same security apparatus bandwagon as it begins to aim more domestically. - Amith On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 6:20 PM, Joseph Catron via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I would add c): It's a good way for local politicians, pretty much all of whom aspire to higher office, to suck up to the Israel lobby at minimal cost to themselves. Here's another example of the same dynamic at work in Baltimore: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/baltimore-confronting-unchallenged Fleshing out b), the Zionist military has spent decades innovating new ways to surveil populations. The NYPD's supposedly-disbanded Demographics Unit was modeled in part on how Israeli authorities operate in the West Bank, a former police official said. http://www.ap.org/Content/AP-In-The-News/2011/With-CIA-help-NYPD-moves-covertly-in-Muslim-areas And with a lot of police departments blending their counter-terrorism and protest policing functions, it stands to reason that some might look to Tel Aviv, for which they've never been distinguishable, for pointers. http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/how-the-nypds-counter-terror-apparatus-is-being-turned-on-police-protesters-119 http://gothamist.com/2015/01/30/well_just_use_handguns.php But I don't know how much of that kind of collaboration takes place on these junkets organized and publicized by ostensibly private-sector lobby groups, which always reek of political theater to me. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] question re Israeli training of US cops
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I would add c): It's a good way for local politicians, pretty much all of whom aspire to higher office, to suck up to the Israel lobby at minimal cost to themselves. Here's another example of the same dynamic at work in Baltimore: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/baltimore-confronting-unchallenged Fleshing out b), the Zionist military has spent decades innovating new ways to surveil populations. The NYPD's supposedly-disbanded Demographics Unit was modeled in part on how Israeli authorities operate in the West Bank, a former police official said. http://www.ap.org/Content/AP-In-The-News/2011/With-CIA-help-NYPD-moves-covertly-in-Muslim-areas And with a lot of police departments blending their counter-terrorism and protest policing functions, it stands to reason that some might look to Tel Aviv, for which they've never been distinguishable, for pointers. http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/how-the-nypds-counter-terror-apparatus-is-being-turned-on-police-protesters-119 http://gothamist.com/2015/01/30/well_just_use_handguns.php But I don't know how much of that kind of collaboration takes place on these junkets organized and publicized by ostensibly private-sector lobby groups, which always reek of political theater to me. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] question re Israeli training of US cops
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I'm guessing option b. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: But the question then is why is this training and collaboration happening? My guess is that a) they're junkets, i.e. a good way to pad the departments' budgets and show the boys a good time, and b) more importantly, that the Zionists have more training in recent years in crowd control and thus are a little sharper on their game (i.e. the components of the Empire are leapfrogging each other in combat readiness and efficiency). Thoughts? _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
