Re: [Marxism] will antifa punch these guys out?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Nope, the work in the community to build support since they only other folx are neo-nazi's and the Klan. They are pro-union, pr-choice, and pro-gun, and antiracism. They believe in protecting themselves to the extent that the law allows and protecting those who ask their assistance, such as jewish groups asking for security during the high holy days. Build whatever straw man the fits your theory, but don't ignore that is being done in urban/rural communities where multiracial groups are rejecting protest repertoires that have been proven failures. Do some research and see what they do WITHOUT their firearms to support poor communities of all colors before you jump the gun. J.A. Masko College of Communications Penn State University State College, Pa 16801 "The challenge of modernity is to live without illusions and without becoming disillusioned." Antonio Gramsci. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] will antifa punch these guys out?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Leaders take people into situations where the people can be massacred and they call that revolution. It's nothing but child's play; it's folly. It's Custeristic. Fred Hampton _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] will antifa punch these guys out?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * My point is that they are organizing and now showing up to act as security for organizations that have asked them such as BLM. but you're right of course as military men they know to never take on a fight that is not winnable. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] will antifa punch these guys out?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 9/19/17 12:11 PM, Jeffrey Masko via Marxism wrote: In case folx don't know, there are significant numbers of vets supporting so-called antifa, including American pit vipers, th 3%, and most explicitly, redneck revolt. So what will redneck revolt do about mountaintop removal in West Virginia and Kentucky? Shoot the men operating heavy equipment? What about the opioid crisis? Shoot the drug dealers like Mexican militias did a decade ago? That hardly made a dent, plus whenever there's a demand, a supply will emerge. That's how capitalism works, after all. Here's something I wrote on FB that relates to this: Jesus fucking christ. I am getting as many posts of that guy wearing a swastika getting punched out as I got the day after Richard Spencer got punched. I don't mind people sharing this utterly irrelevant video as long as they understand a couple of things: 1. The number one problem in the USA today is the blind forces of capitalism that condemns people to unemployment, homelessness, hunger, sickness, police brutality, ecological ruin, war, alienation and loneliness. Some deranged individual walking around with a swastika is not the same thing as the Golden Dawn or the National Front. When a fascist movement develops a mass base in the USA, it will not be led by someone walking around in a swastika. It will more likely be the stars and stripes borne aloft when hundreds of racists pour into a Muslim neighborhood in Queens to break windows and beat people up. 2. If and when a genuine fascist movement develops in the USA, it will require a mass movement to oppose it. It will also require an intelligent strategy designed to get results. If punching Nazis was the key to preserving democracy and making advances against corporate power, Hitler never would have come to power. We need a united left that is democratic and that can relate to people on their level of consciousness. To place yourself in the position of acting over their heads is wrong. There is Leninist arrogance and there is anarchist arrogance. Nobody gave groups like the SWP that I used to belong to the right to make decisions with little regard for what the mass movement thinks and the same thing applies to people dressed in black and wearing hobnail boots. Enough of the bullshit already. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] will antifa punch these guys out?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Exactly! Progressive vet organizing is central to mass mobilization of our movements - and vets have too much experience in real combat to play with fire. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] will antifa punch these guys out?
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * In case folx don't know, there are significant numbers of vets supporting so-called antifa, including American pit vipers, th 3%, and most explicitly, redneck revolt. Whether you agree with them or not they are on the scene now. And more vets are joining everyday according to people that I talk to you in these organizations. Many of these vets split off from The Oath Keepers just because they disagreed with their mainstream or right-leaning politics. They are not about to get involved the small types crafts that are being televised though. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
