[Marxism-Thaxis] Unity of theory and practice: Production of Relative Sur...

2005-10-18 Thread Charles Brown

WL: Interesting concept.

^^^
CB: Isn't it ?

^^^

 WL: I of course am not a trade unionists but a 
communist. What I did and for a living was as a union rep and speed up and
rationalization is part of my job description. Explaining in different terms
what workers 
already experience have never been my idea of communist practice, but trade 
union politics. 

Actually, our workers already understand the expereince of bourgeois 
production. 

Waistline



CB: Marxist unity of theory and practice is intended to be the theory and
practice united in communist workers. 

However, it doesn't seem too plausible that many U.S.workers have a whole
Marxist theory of capitalist production. 



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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Unity of theory and practice: Production of Relative Sur...

2005-10-18 Thread Waistline2

CB: Marxist unity of theory and practice is intended to be the theory and
practice united in communist workers. 

However, it doesn't seem too plausible that many U.S.workers have a whole
Marxist theory of capitalist production. 

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WL: Communist workers are a rare breed and Marxist workers are even rarer. I 
have a need to always be concrete. Over the past 150 years what has called 
itself the communist movement in America were ideological groups, more than 
less 
sectarian, that espoused and believed in the ideas of communism. The unity of 
theory and practice of these various communist grouping span the ideological 
spectrum from militant Catholic workers to Marxist workers to our militant 
anarcho syndicalist movement.  That is to say that communism as a notion and 
ideological striving is very ancient with some folks, myself included, tracing 
these notions all the way back to the old Roman proletariat and militant 
Christianity. Engels writes about this. 

What has called itself the Marxist movement throughout the Western world 
for the past 150 years has been individuals and ideological groups that 
believed 
in and espoused propositions of Marx, as they understood them. 

I of course reject the notion that trying to explain a Marxist view point to 
workers constitutes the unity of theory and practice in the Leninist meaning 
or in the sense that Engels carried out his leadership role. Further an 
understanding of Marxism is not a prerequisite for social and political 
revolution - 
insurrection. I do not imply that you stated the above sentence. 

I serious doubt that a signifcant sector of the Socialist world had a whole
Marxist theory of capitalist production or rather, the industrial production 
of commodities on the basis of the bourgeois property relations. In my 
opinion we have just arrived at a point in history - during the past twenty 
years, 
where we can ascertain the gigantic dimensions of the bourgeois mode of 
production as a whole; in theory and as practical politics of a social 
movement.  

We always need to be concrete as Marxists and never reduce our striving and 
independent activity to the level of trade union politics. As Marxists 
communists our task is to prepare the workers for the fundamental class 
struggle in 
the process of carrying out propaganda and agitation. Propaganda does not mean 
explaining capitalist production as a whole. That is the role and task of 
various party organizations after we recruit the advanced workers - leaders, 
within our sphere. Agitation means fighting to ensure that what ever you are 
doing 
gets done or ensuring that the goals of a particular arena stay on course. 

I believe that an understanding of insurrection as an art is necessary for 
communist workers and revolutionaries to successively take power as the 
culmination of a revolutionary crisis. In the absence of a revolutionary crisis 
the 
practice of Marxists insurgents has always been guided by the doctrine - not 
theory, summed up as victory of the workers in their current struggle. If 
this 
means the fight for a freaking stop sign so be it. 

What Karl Marx and Frederick Engels carried out as practical activity is to 
consolidate the intellectual expression of the advanced segments of society 
that could represent the spontaneous and long term interest of the working 
class. 
This hardly has anything to do with explaining job loss as such. The 
documents of the First International and Marx and Engels early writings on the 
Communist League describe their activity. Here is an example of the unity of 
theory 
and practice by Marx and Engels themselves. 

What Lenin did was consolidate an advance strike forces - insurrectionary 
force, as a basis to win over the leaders of the working class and indeed, 
leaders from every segment of society, to carry out insurrection. 

I agree that Marxist unity of theory and practice is intended to be the 
theory and practice united in communist workers as an organized sector of 
society, but this is to abstract and not reducible to explaining to workers 
capitalist exploitation. Any trade union hack can explain this adequately and 
toss his 
hands up in the air and declare, but what can we do?   

Workers in our country, across the board, already know that they are 
exploited. Really.  The guys and girls at McDonald know they are exploited by 
capitalist relations of production, as do autoworkers, software workers, 
teachers, 
untenured professors and the thousands of farm workers, janitors and part time 
workers. Something else is missing.

Pinpointing this something else is what separates the men from the boyz in 
the hood. 

Waistline 

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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Unity of theory and practice: Production of Relative Sur...

2005-10-17 Thread Waistline2

CB: You apply _Capital_ in practice when you propagandize the industrial
workers that part of the loss of total number of jobs is due to greater
efficiency of instruments of production due to CAD/CAM, robotics,
computerization.


WL: Interesting concept. I of course am not a trade unionists but a 
communist. What I did and for a living was as a union rep and speed up and 
rationalization is part of my job description. Explaining in different terms 
what workers 
already experience have never been my idea of communist practice, but trade 
union politics. 

Actually, our workers already understand the expereince of bourgeois 
production. 

Waistline

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