Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for MeeGo

2011-10-05 Thread Si Howard
Again, I agree with the project, if Mer can resurrect Maemo/MeeGo then I 
am all for it!


On 04/10/2011 08:57, Timo Jyrinki wrote:

ma, 2011-10-03 kello 19:09 +0100, Si Howard kirjoitti:

I'm for that! Wasn't the Mer project part of the Maemo 5.0 porting to
the Nokia N8X0 platform?

That's one way of putting it, but it was indeed about reconstructing
Maemo so that it worked as a whole distribution. That then made possible
to try to get newer Maemo components working on older tablets purely as
a community effort.

So more like Maemo 5.0 porting to the Nokia N8X0 platform was a part of
the Mer project, not the other way around :)

-Timo



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Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Reconstructed - a plan of action and direction for MeeGo

2011-10-03 Thread Si Howard
I'm for that! Wasn't the Mer project part of the Maemo 5.0 porting to 
the Nokia N8X0 platform?


On 03/10/2011 07:01, Carsten Munk wrote:

Hi all,

MeeGo is dead ... long live Tizen !! - Haven't we heard that before? -
Maemo, Moblin?

We need a community that transcends the mere branding of MeeGo, Maemo,
Moblin - and now Tizen.

A lot of proposals have been put forward:
* Move to Tizen and trust that They'll get it right this time
* Merge or join some existing projects (like the Qt Project, Debian,
openSUSE, etc)
* Keep MeeGo alive by approaching the Linux Foundation

The goal is to find a truly sustainable way for MeeGo and other
interested communities to work with Tizen.

Our solution is the Mer Project:

How does the concept of a truly open and inclusive integration
community for devices sound? After all if upstream is king - then
contributions will end up the same place, no matter if it's Tizen,
Maemo, MeeGo or openSUSE.

Some history - many of us in MeeGo originated from a project called
Mer, short for Maemo Reconstructed - where we approached doing a open
mobile platform through reconstruction of the Maemo platform into a
open platform. We were big on open governance, open development and
open source.

For a few months a group of us have been working on various scenarios
of change in MeeGo [1] and now that the Tizen news is out in the open,
it's time to talk about what we as a community can make happen next.
To make it clear: this is not in any way an anti-Tizen or anti-Intel
project, but a direction we can and will go in - we strongly want to
collaborate with Tizen and Intel.

We will continue to welcome contribution and participation from the
hacker community - in fact we aim to make it so easy to port to a new
vendor device that a single hacker could do it for their device.

We decided to approach the problems and potential scenarios of change
in MeeGo in the light of the reallocation of resources caused by what
is now known as the Tizen work. There have not been any Trunk/1.3
releases since August and Tablet UX has totally stalled. What really
works (and works quite well) is the Core. It's time to take the pieces
and use them for reconstruction.

We have some clear goals:

* To be openly developed and openly governed as a meritocracy
* That primary customers of the platform are device vendors - not end-users.
* To provide a device manufacturer oriented structure, processes and
tools: make life easy for them
* To have a device oriented architecture
* To be inclusive of technologies (such as MeeGo/Tizen/Qt/EFL/HTML5)
* To innovate in the mobile OS space

Now we'd like to talk a bit about what specific initiatives we propose to take:

0) Becoming MeeGo 2.0

Our work has the intended goal of being MeeGo 2.0 - and we hope that
the Linux Foundation will see our work as a worthy succesor within the
MeeGo spirit. We'd like to provide ability to be Tizen compliant, i.e.
supporting HTML5/WAC and the application story there and feed back to
that ecosystem.

1) Modularity. A set of architectural components for making devices.

Rather than dictate the architecture we will support collaboration and
the flexibility to easily access off-the-shelf components for device
projects. Component independence permits focused feature and delivery
management too.

Initially the project will be developing a Core for basing products on
and will split UX and hardware adaptations out into seperate projects
within the community surrounding the Core.

2) Working towards an ultra-portable Linux + HTML5/QML/JS Core for
building products with.

We have already taken MeeGo and cut it into a set of 302 source
packages that can boot into a Qt UI along with standard MeeGo stack
pieces. This work can be seen already at [2] and we've made our first
release and have had it booting on devices already[6].

To ease maintenance, we would like to encourage people to participate
in the Core work of the Tizen project, utilizing their work where we
can in Mer: why do the same work twice? Even if Tizen turns out to be
dramatically different, the maintenance load of 302 source packages -
much of it typical Linux software, is significantly lower than that of
the 1400 packages found in MeeGo today.

Using another lesson learned from MeeGo, we also want to port this
work to everywhere, ARMv6/7 - hardfp, softfp, i486, Atom, MIPS, etc -
allowing much more freedom for porting to new devices.

3) Change governance towards a more technically oriented one, similar
to the Yocto Project

We'd like to propose a revamp of governance based upon the Yocto
Project governance - which is much more geared towards open technical
work - encouraging collaboration and discussion. You can look at a
description of this at [3].

4) Work towards better vendor relations and software to support these
as well as easier contribution methods.

As part of our customer oriented goal we're improving delivery
methods from Mer. We are designing simpler and more resilient update

Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo...

2011-09-28 Thread Si Howard

My bad, I meant C/C++.

Cheers,

Si.

On 28/09/2011 22:11, Jeremiah Foster wrote:

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:42 PM, S. Howardhowa...@gmx.co.uk  wrote:

The APIs only show media streams being parsed through HTML. Interpreted
languages are still developing and can sill be surpassed by compiled
languages such as C/Python.

Eh? Python is not compiled, it is interpreted.

Regards,

Jeremiah
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] WebOS and MeeGo: Opportunities or indifference?

2011-08-19 Thread Si Howard
That would be helpful to both parties as Ari Jakassi was head of Nokia 
Maemo then left for WebOS at HP. Bring him back to Nokia for 
Maemo/MeeGo? Plus it would bring more developers into the MeeGo 
ecosystem which would  help the cause as well.


On 20/08/2011 00:42, Fernando Cassia wrote:

1. Do the companies behind MeeGo -or the MeeGo community- plan to
extend an olive branch, so to speak, to the WebOS developers'
community?. In other words, there might be plenty of third party WebOS
developers who might be interested in learning about whatMeeGo has to
offer and how they could reconvert their apps to the MeeGo platform.
It would also help them know MeeGo is a truly open platform, that
won't go under just because one company dumps it (Hello, Mr. Elop).

2. Any contact between MeeGo devs, pundits, and fans, with HP?

3 Intel might be interested in WebOS, no? couldn't WebOS become a
HTML5 apps layer on top of MeeGo?

Just thinking aloud and shooting in the dark here, trying to imagine
ways to turn bad news about WebOS into good news (or opportunities for
growth) for MeeGo...

FC
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