[meteorite-list] cat mountain for classified NWA'S
Hello all. My last trade fell thru, so I'm offering this. My 4.4 gram cat mountain slice for classified NWA's. I'm looking for at least 10 to 20 gram slices. The cat mountain worth is $660.00. Let me know. This is only piece I'm trading this time. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 The Midwest Meteorite Collector! Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Passing On
Dear List Members, I regret to inform you that my talented and amazing husband, David L. Coleman passed away yesterday after a sudden stroke. Davids talent went beyond the scope of just loving science. With me he invented many wonderful educational posters and geolgical study sets that changed the way people at the sciences, such as astrogeology with our World Impact Maps. As most things are, his work will probably be more esteemed in death than in his short life. David was 48. I will miss him terribly. Sarah Kennedy-Coleman Jensan Scientifics/ ScienceMall-USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Passing On
Hello Sharon, Sorry to hear about your loss.While I have never personally met David, we have e-mailed a couple times and he seemed quite helpful and friendly. The posters you two made are very nice. Thank you and David, for your interest in our hobby. Mark Bostick - Original Message - From: Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:49 AM To: meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] A Passing On Dear List Members,I regret to inform you that my talented and amazing husband, David L.Coleman passed away yesterday after a sudden stroke. Davids talent wentbeyond the scope of just loving science. With me he invented manywonderful educational posters and geolgical study sets that changed theway people at the sciences, such as astrogeology with our World ImpactMaps.As most things are, his work will probably be more esteemed in deaththan in his short life.David was 48.I will miss him terribly.Sarah Kennedy-ColemanJensan Scientifics/ ScienceMall-USA__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Passing On
Sarah, I am saddened at the news of your husbands untimely death. The contributions made to this world by your and David's efforts have made a profound impact on our scientific community, especially among the younger generations. Your work will live on in the great posters you have created. Last Spring, one of my older daughters came home from college for a visit. When she saw one of you Periodic Table in Earth and Sky posters on the wall in my office, she said that if science had been that cool when she was in high school she would have enjoyed it more and paid more attention. My condolences to you Sarah, your collective family and friends. Forty eight years is not nearly enough time for a creative mind to share his thoughts and dreams. Best Regards, John Gwilliam At 08:29 AM 10/31/02 -0600, Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall wrote: Dear List Members, I regret to inform you that my talented and amazing husband, David L. Coleman passed away yesterday after a sudden stroke. Davids talent went beyond the scope of just loving science. With me he invented many wonderful educational posters and geolgical study sets that changed the way people at the sciences, such as astrogeology with our World Impact Maps. As most things are, his work will probably be more esteemed in death than in his short life. David was 48. I will miss him terribly. Sarah Kennedy-Coleman Jensan Scientifics/ ScienceMall-USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Happy Halloween Meteorite picture
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Passing On
Dear Sarah, My heart goes out to you, and I am so sorry for your loss. Be assured that those who knew David will continue to remember all that that he did to bring his love of science to others. We are all grateful for his contributions to our lives, no matter how large or small they may be, and we look forward to the continuation of this tradition through your own efforts. Sincerely, Jon Fox ...Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind... John Donne - 1573-1631 Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall wrote: Dear List Members, I regret to inform you that my talented and amazing husband, David L. Coleman passed away yesterday after a sudden stroke. Davids talent went beyond the scope of just loving science. With me he invented many wonderful educational posters and geolgical study sets that changed the way people at the sciences, such as astrogeology with our World Impact Maps. As most things are, his work will probably be more esteemed in death than in his short life. David was 48. I will miss him terribly. Sarah Kennedy-Coleman Jensan Scientifics/ ScienceMall-USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: A Passing On
Dear Sarah: I was terribly saddened by this morning's news about your husband -- and my friend -- Dave Coleman. As Sarah knows, her husband and I worked on a series of web and photography projects together. Dave had a great scientific knowledge, and his friendly and jovial nature made him fun to be with, and to work with. We shared many a laugh by telephone and email. Dave was a regular at meteorite-related social functions in Tucson, and elsewhere, and was well-liked and respected by the many members of the Meteorite List who were lucky enough to have know him. Dave was extremely knowledgeable about impact structures and didn't allow the fact that he needed crutches to get around, prevent him from doing field work: exploring craters, hunting for shattercones and so on, and I admired him immensely for that. Last year, I sent Dave and Sarah some of my meteorite photographs for one of their Jensan Scientific projects. Dave was very taken with one Sikhote-Alin in my collection, and said it was the most oriented iron he'd ever seen. That particular piece has always been a great favorite of mine, so I was pleased that somebody else appreciated it. Jokingly, Dave said to me, Geoff, you should leave that Sikhote to me in your will. It was intended as a humorous comment, but Dave was so taken with the piece that I decided I actually would leave it to him. Unfortunately, I will now not have that opportunity. Condolences to Sarah, Dave's family, and his many friends. Sincerely, Geoff Notkin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Newspaper Article, 10-24-1897 Cape York
Paper: New York Times City: New York, NY Date: Sunday, October 24, 1897 Page: 5 DR. NANSEN IN NEW YORK The Norwegian Explorer in Welcomed by His Countrymen Here and by Americans HE TALKS ABOUT HIS PLANS The Geographical Society Gives a Reception in His Honor at Chickering Hall and the Cullum Medal Is Presented Him. Dr. Fridtjof Nanse, the Norwegian explorer, arrived in New York yesterday on the steamship Lucania, which was sighted off Fire Island at 1:40 P.M. at 4:30 PM the steamer Favorite, with the Nansen committee, composed of Scandinavians living in New York, went alongside and, amid cheers for the distinguished explorer, took him off and started with him back to the city. From the moment he went aboard the reception boat untill it reached West Thirty-fifth Street, Dr. Nansen was subjected to continuous congradulations at the hands of his countrymen. Karl G. M, Woxen, Consul for Norway and Sweden, made a speech in Norwegian, welcoming the explorer to America, to which Dr. Nansen responded in the same tougue. Prof. Libbev of Princeton delived a brief welcoming address, and Dr. Nansen replied in English, which he spoke with apparent case. Then a choral society sang Norwegian patriotic songs. The visitor was escorted to the Hotel Savoy, which will be his headquarters during his stay in New York. HE TALKS ABOUT ANDREE To the question, "Do you think Andree has been lost?" Dr. Nansen answered, "No, I don't think so. He may be lost, but there is no reason to assume so yet." "Do you think Andree's plan of reaching the pole by balloon possible." he has asked. "Yes, it is possible," was his answer. Dr. Nansen was not impressed with Lieut. Preary's meteorite, about which so much has been said recently. "It is not a meteorite,"but merely telluric Iron, the same thing that Nordenskjold discovered." Concerning Peary's plan for reaching, the pole, he said he knew too little to express an opinion. As to his own plans, Dr. Nansen said he had none bearing arctic exploratio, "I have no idea of leading another expedition in search of the north pole." he said. "To the south pole? I do not know about that, I might possibly undertake some antarctic exploration at some time in the future, though I have no definite plans in that line now." Not After a Record. He said he did not expect to undertake the fixing of the northern boundary of Greenland, "though his former Captain, Sverdrup, was about to head an expedition for that purpose. "There is northing at the north pole to discover," said Dr. Hansen, "except a sea of ice. I have never taken any stock in the record-breaking business. In my recent expedition I was not striving to reach any precise mathematical point. My purpose was to explore the unknown arctic regions. In that I succeeded." "Would the discovery of the north pole be of any material use?" the explorer was asked. "Yes," he answered, "It would be of scientific use, and anything that is of value to science is of material value." Dr. Nansen is thirty-six years old, but looks younger. He is six feet tall, has light hair and mustache, blue eyes, and a fair complexion. When he appeared on the deck of the Lucania ready to come ashore he wore a tight-fitting double-breasted gray sack coat and a soft crush hat. At first glance he looked more like a big, healthy, sport-loving college boy that the world-famed scientist and explorer. There was an enthusiastic reception for Dr. Nansen in the evening at Chickering Hall, given by the American Geographical Society. The hall was filled with people, who rose to their feet and applauded the explorer as he came upon the platform. Lieut. Perry was there, as were Sergt. Long of the Greely expedition, and Capt. Brainerd, the partner of the ill-fated Lockword. Others on the platform were: Ex-Judge Charles P. Daly, President of the sociery; Paul du Challu, Henry Holt, ex-Judge Charles A. Peabody, Prof. J.H. Van Armringe, Gen. Egber. L Vicle, Capt. A.T. Mahan, Admiral Gherardi. Austen G. Fox, and Morris K. Jesup. Dr. Nansen was introduced by Judge Daly, who then presented to him the Cullum Geographical Medal, awarded by the council of the society. The metal bore the inscription; "Awarded to Frikijof Nansen for his voyage in the Fram and sledge journey on the Ice floes to 80 degrees 14 minues north. 1893-1896." After a lengthy presentation speech made by Judge Daly, Dr. Nansen expressed his thanks for the gift. "I more especially appreciate it," he said, in slightly broken English, "because it is given (to) me by nation which has had so many great explorers." He said he had not been aware that he was attend a meeting untill he stepped on shore, so that he was not prepared to make a long address. The Object of His Trip "The main object of our expedition, "he said, "was to explore the polar region and make scientific observations on the way rather than the discovery of the pole. I believe that the deep sea, covered by a thin layer of ice, found all along our route, extends much further
[meteorite-list] Newspaper Article, 04-18-1896 Cape York
Paper: New York Times City: New York City, NY. Date: Saturday, April 18, 1896 Page: 1 Peary is Going North Again WASHINGTON, April 17. - The Navy Department is making a great mystery over its action in detaching Civil Enginer R. E. Peary from the Brooklyn Navy Yard and placing him on waiting orders. It was said yesterday that the order had been issued at Lieut. Peary's request, and that he gave no reason in his application. To-day, however, it was learned that Lieut. Peary contemplates another exploring expedition, and had so informed the department, but for some reason it was desired to keep this information secret.
[meteorite-list] Newspaper Article, 04-16-1897 Cape York
New York Times New York City, NY. Friday, April 16, 1897 Page 7 LIEUT. PEARY'S NEW POST. Ordered to Mare Island - His Projected Polar Expedition May Be Affected. WASHINGTON, April 15. - The Navy Department is much exercised over an order to Lieut. Peary, the arctic explorer, to leave the New York navy yard and go to Mare Island, California. Lieut. Peary's friends and persons actively interested in polar explorations are raising a fund in New York to defray the expense of anotehr expedition to be conducted by Lieut. Peary into the far north. It is asserted that the detachment of the officer from New York now will involve the enterprise in failure. The Chief of Bureau of Yards and Docks is said to hold that the New York Navy Yard, which now employs four civil engineers can get along with three, wherefore it is proposed to sent Lieut. Peary to Mare Island. On the other side are the scientists urging Secretary Long to allow the officer to remain in New York for a time, and then to go on leave of obsence while conducting the polar expedition. The foregoing dispatch was show to Lieut. Peary last evening by a reporter from THE NEW YORK TIMES. "It is true." said the explorer, "that I have been ordered to Mare Island. The order can several days ago. But as to the other maters in the dispatch, I have no knowledge." Lieut. Peary refused to discuss further the efforts of his friends to keep him in Brooklyn or his plans for the immediate future. But he said that the funds to send out his expedition were assured. "I asked for $150,000 to equip an expedition for ten years," he said. "That sum is assured."
[meteorite-list] Meteor and Meteorite articles
Hello List and Eric, I just sent a few more articles on Peary or the Cape York meteorite. The Cape York is one of my favorite irons and I will continue to try to find more papers that are related. I really enjoyed the chance to see the Cape Yorks on display at the AMNH. I also wanted to thank Eric Hutton for sending me copies of his "Meteors and Meteorites: A Historic Archive of Articles, Books and Catalogues" CD's.Eric sent me free copies for my workin this field and I thank his for this act.I know from my own experience that Eric has put a lot of time and energy (not counting money) into these CD's and I appreciate the effort he has made. If you do not have them, you owe it to yourself to go to Martin Horejsi's link at the Meteorite Exchange and purchase them. Thanks, Mark Bostick
Re: [meteorite-list] A Passing On
Deepest sympathy for your loss. Andre Bordeleau At 09:04 AM 31/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:49 AM To: meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] A Passing On Dear List Members, I regret to inform you that my talented and amazing husband, David L. Coleman passed away yesterday after a sudden stroke. Davids talent went beyond the scope of just loving science. With me he invented many wonderful educational posters and geolgical study sets that changed the way people at the sciences, such as astrogeology with our World Impact Maps. As most things are, his work will probably be more esteemed in death than in his short life. David was 48. I will miss him terribly. Sarah Kennedy-Coleman Jensan Scientifics/ ScienceMall-USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Halloween Asteroid (1997 XF11)
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/31oct_1997xf11.htm Halloween Asteroid NASA Science News October 31, 2002 Near-Earth asteroid 1997 XF11, which briefly scared astronomers five years ago, passes by Earth again this week on Halloween. Five years ago astronomers had a fright. Jim Scotti, using the 36-inch Spacewatch telescope on Kitt Peak, spotted a dim speck of light moving through the constellation Cancer. It was an asteroid--dark, about 1 km wide, and it seemed to be heading for Earth. The Minor Planet Center named it 1997 XF11. Newspapers and magazines relayed the worst: 1997 XF11 might hit our planet on Oct. 26, 2028. The impact, unleashing perhaps 2000 times more energy than the most powerful nuclear weapon ever tested, would be a global catastrophe. There is, however, an old amusement park proverb, Fear - Death = Fun. So it proved for 1997 XF11. Additional measurements showed that the asteroid would not hit Earth in 2028, although it will come close, about 2.5 lunar distances (954,000 km) away. A frisson of dread? Yes. A global catastrophe? No. The asteroid moved away from Earth after 1997 and it has since been generally forgotten. But the space rock hasn't really gone away. In fact, it's back. 1997 XF11 is gliding by Earth today--on Halloween--for its closest encounter until 2028. On Oct. 31st, 1997 XF11 will pass 25 lunar distances (9.5 million km) from Earth. It's closer than it was when it was discovered in 1997, says Jon Giorgini, a member of JPL's Solar System Dynamics Group. There's nothing to fear. On the contrary, astronomers welcome the encounter because it is a good opportunity to study the asteroid up-close. We started out knowing very little about this asteroid--only that it's approximately 1 km wide. 1997 XF11 has been circling the Sun in total anonymity for hundreds of millions of years. But now radar is revealing its nature. Giorgini is one of a team of astronomers led by JPL's Steve Ostro who are pinging the asteroid using NASA's Goldstone radar in the Mojave desert. The first radar measurement obtained last week, reports Giorgini, reduced the uncertainty in the distance to the asteroid by a factor of 540 (from +/- 2210 miles to +/- 4 miles). We can now reliably predict Earth encounters for an additional 107 years into the future--to the year 2209. There is no risk of 1997 XF11 hitting Earth during that time. The orbit of 1997 XF11 carries it from a point near the orbit of Venus out to the asteroid belt and back again. One complete trip around the Sun takes 1.73 years. These frequent visits to the inner solar system make 1997 XF11 harder to predict than some other asteroids. 1997 XF11 has many encounters with Earth and Venus through the years, says Giorgini. Gravitational nudges from the two planets perturb the asteroid's orbit. For other asteroids one might obtain several centuries of predictability from a single radar measurement, but for 1997 XF11 our knowledge of its position is more quickly 'blurred.' The more radar data we get ... the better, he says. Giorgini and colleagues will continue observing through November. Radar data accumulated over a period of time, says Giorgini, can be used not only to measure orbits but also to create 3-dimensional maps of asteroids. Some have weird forms: 216 Kleopatra, for example, looks like a dog bone. Learning the shapes of asteroids helps scientists understand how they're put together--valuable information in case we ever need to deflect one or blow it apart. Most asteroids (1997 XF11 included) are as dark as charcoal. They shine only because they reflect a few percent of the sunlight that hits them. When 1997 XF11 is closest to Earth today, it will glow like a 13th magnitude star--too faint to see with the unaided eye or even binoculars. Nevertheless amateur astronomers using 10 telescopes and CCD cameras will be able to detect 1997 XF11 as it glides through the constellation Capricornus. Optical observations, notes Giorgini, can tell us a great deal about the asteroid's rotation period and mineral composition. In 2028, when 1997 XF11 is only 2.5 lunar distances from Earth, optical telescopes will play a greater role in its study. The asteroid will brighten to 8th magnitude, which is within reach of binoculars. There's still much to learn. One thing, however, is already clear: we're safe from 1997 XF11 for at least another 200 years. This Halloween asteroid is not so scary after all. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight?
Hello list, I am curiouswhen the lunar meteorite NWA482 was being offered around morocco it was 1278 grams and not 1015 as later reported. Most of us thought it was a eucrite and the asking price of $10.00 was too much, ala over $10,000. (Wish I would have known its real origin then). Anywaywhat happened to the other 250 grams? Was this cut off in Morocco and if so where is it now. A few small pieces were cut off in Morocco but what appeared missing was small enough that several photo angles could be taken and you not see the window or windows. So either, there is two NWA482 stones, 250 grams got lost?, or the moroccans have a very bad scale. Does anyone else know more about this? Mark
[meteorite-list] Tunguska Meteorite Fragments Must Be in a Different Place
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/10/31/38941.html Tunguska Meteorite Fragments Must Be in a Different Place Pravda October 31, 2002 Professor of physical chemistry from the Altay State University Vladislav Batenkov thinks that traces of the Tunguska meteorite should not have been searched for not directly under the meteorite's course, but rather in the opposite direction. Professor Batenkov graduated from the Chemistry Department of Tomsk State University; he currently deals with transistor electrochemistry. He has published several substantial monographs. Vladislav Batenkov is the creator of 14 inventions. The professor said in an interview to the newspaper Altayskaya Pravda: The mystery of the Tunguska meteorite can be solved with the help of the physicochemical properties of water. The explanation is based upon water's ability to decompose in oxygen and hydrogen at temperatures of over 1000 degrees centigrade. At the temperature of 5000 degrees centigrade, the decomposition occurs with detonation. When the temperature of the oxygen and hydrogen (the detonating mixture) drops below 1000 degrees centigrade, water is generated again together with the detonation. Calculations have revealed that total amount of heat necessary to turn 1 kg of meteorite ice into decomposition products (warming of ice, ice melting, water heating, water evaporation, heating of the steam, and decomposition of water vapor) is about 30.000 kilojoule per one kilogram. The quantity of heat exuded at the deceleration of a one-kilogram meteorite to the zero speed will be equal to its initial kinetic energy. Let's assume that the speed at which the meteorite hits the Earth is 20 km per second. Then, the quantity of heat exuded at the deceleration will be about 200.000 kilojoule per kilogram. This is seven times more than necessary for melting, heating, evaporation, and decomposition of water for the initial components. However, not the whole quantity of heat will be spent on the water's decomposition; a considerable quantity of heat will quickly disperse in the atmosphere because of the high difference between the temperatures and the meteorite's high speed in the atmosphere. Obviously, only the front part of the meteorite has all the conditions necessary for an increase of the pressure and temperature enough for water decomposition. So, the falling of the Tunguska meteorite was as follows. A huge chunk of ice entered the atmosphere at an acute angle, and then it started decelerating increasing in temperature. There is evidence proving that the meteorite's glow was first noticed near the city of Vladivostok, and the meteorite's deceleration was registered at 4,000 kilometers, near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River basin. The ice chunk increased in temperature along the way, especially the front of the meteorite. The meteorite started splitting into separate fragments. That is why several differently glowing objects could have been observed by the end of the deceleration. By that moment, the gases reached a maximum compression, and fragments of the meteorite increased in temperature to several thousand degrees. At the end of the motion, the clouds of water decomposition products (detonating gas) compressed as a result of the fragments' deceleration and increase in temperature and detonated in the atmosphere after quick expansion and cooling. Forest fires and concentric forest falls were the consequences of the detonation. Dust particles melted and fell down in the form of small beads. It is likely that when the gas detonated, some tail-end parts of the ice lump were cast away in a different, south-east direction. Thus, the remains of the meteorite should have been searched for not along the meteorites course, but in the opposite direction. Professor Vladislav Batenkov can provide calculations proving his hypothesis. He stresses that the Tunguska meteorite mystery hasn't been explained yet with water decomposition into components and explosion of detonating gas. According to the professor, it is difficult to determine the total scale of the meteorite's impact upon the atmosphere of the Earth, because the initial mass of the meteorite and the speed at which it hit the planet are unknown. If we assume that the speed was 20 kilometers per second and consider an awful explosion equal to two thousands Hiroshimas, we can estimate the mass of the Tunguska meteorite. According to Batenkov's calculations, the mass of the meteorite made up 40,000 tons. Translated by Maria Gousseva Read the original in Russian: http://science.pravda.ru/science/2002/6/20/56/2229_meteorit.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Tunguska Meteorite Fragments Must Be in a Different Place
Dust grains from the Tunguska event were found trapped in tree sap. The analysis of the dust grains showed they were stony chondrites. I remember reading out this in a Sky Telescope article. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Passing On
I regret to inform you that my talented and amazing husband, David L. Coleman passed away yesterday after a sudden stroke. Dear Sarah, I am deeply saddened and shocked to hear of Dave's passing away at such a young age. Shocked because, unfortunately I can relate. Some list members will remember that my wife suffered and luckily survived such a stroke in summer 1999. On Wednesday, 30 January 2002, your beloved husband wrote these words: Sarah and I are people for whom study, dreaming, application and effort lead to excellence, which is the reward These words describe Dave best !!! We will cherish his memory and keep him in our hearts! Pauline and Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Passing On
Sorry to hear about your loss Sarah, I thought that he was a very nice guy and was happy to meet him the few times I did. He wil be fondly remembered by all who know him. God Bless Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] A Passing On Dear List Members, I regret to inform you that my talented and amazing husband, David L. Coleman passed away yesterday after a sudden stroke. Davids talent went beyond the scope of just loving science. With me he invented many wonderful educational posters and geolgical study sets that changed the way people at the sciences, such as astrogeology with our World Impact Maps. As most things are, his work will probably be more esteemed in death than in his short life. David was 48. I will miss him terribly. Sarah Kennedy-Coleman Jensan Scientifics/ ScienceMall-USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight?
Wow Mark, you sure know alot for having been selling nothing but Penthouse porno mags back then. How did you see it if you have never been to Africa? That would be a neat trick. I have a sworn statement as to the weight by the man who sold it to Jim and I, sworn in front of the police in Er Rachidia Province of Morocco, filed in Rabat, Er Rachidia, and Erfoud. I have made a scan of this and will post it in a few hours to anyone who would like to see it. Mark, we all know that the rumors flew after the purchase of that rock, all coming from other dealers, most in Europe, who did not see or buy the stone, but needless to say, were not happy by Jim and I swooping in and buying up the second largest lunar meteorite ever found right from under their noses. Sounds like sour grapes to me. The Hupes are now trying to corner the market in Morocco, as they arrived there last Friday night as I was leaving Africa. In doing so, they are now it seems, trying to spread some dissent among my suppliers and customers. I hope they decide to call me ASAP while on their way back to Seattle, before I have to let out a little more damaging information tonight. Mark, you and Dean need to get help, show us all your passport that shows you were in Morocco before Jan 2001, Ill bet you cant can you? It is easy to scan or photograph, if you cant, then I suggest you not lie about any knowledge of things like that. It could get you into heavy legal trouble. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK To: Meteorite List Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight? Hello list, I am curiouswhen the lunar meteorite NWA482 was being offered around morocco it was 1278 grams and not 1015 as later reported. Most of us thought it was a eucrite and the asking price of $10.00 was too much, ala over $10,000. (Wish I would have known its real origin then). Anywaywhat happened to the other 250 grams? Was this cut off in Morocco and if so where is it now. A few small pieces were cut off in Morocco but what appeared missing was small enough that several photo angles could be taken and you not see the window or windows. So either, there is two NWA482 stones, 250 grams got lost?, or the moroccans have a very bad scale. Does anyone else know more about this? Mark
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight?
before I have to let out a little more damaging information tonight. Please, don't. It does not quite fit into the sympathies and condolences we are expressing for the sad loss of another list member. Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Passing On
Hello Sarah, I was so saddened to hear of your loss. I look with amazement and appreciation every day at my Periodic Table in Earth and Sky. It was obviously a labor of love. Each day I will look at it and hope you are finding strength and doing as well as can be expected. My thoughts and prayers are with you during this incredibly difficult time. With deepest sympathy Jeanne Devon -Original Message- From: Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 5:39 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] A Passing On Dear List Members, I regret to inform you that my talented and amazing husband, David L. Coleman passed away yesterday after a sudden stroke. Davids talent went beyond the scope of just loving science. With me he invented many wonderful educational posters and geolgical study sets that changed the way people at the sciences, such as astrogeology with our World Impact Maps. As most things are, his work will probably be more esteemed in death than in his short life. David was 48. I will miss him terribly. Sarah Kennedy-Coleman Jensan Scientifics/ ScienceMall-USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight?
I certainly agree with you Bernd, Sarah's loss is a tragedy, and rocks in the big scheme of things, mean nothing. But you must admit, what Mark posted was a huge attack at my integrity? If you think that can be ignored like all the other useless attacks, you are mistaken. I take no pleasure in posting this to the list, but If you go back over the years, you will NEVER find a post from me so much as hinting at any animosity towards Mark Bostick. Why he hit me today is beyond my comprehension. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight? before I have to let out a little more damaging information tonight. Please, don't. It does not quite fit into the sympathies and condolences we are expressing for the sad loss of another list member. Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Esterville For Sale
The last trade did not fall through, it was cancelled by Mr. Arnold at the 11th hour. Might I suggest to the list that you take great care in attempting to deal with this individual. Seems now that I have a 74.8 gram piece of Esterville and no buyer. I will offer it to anyone interested for $8 per gram. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/robandcolleen11197/lst?.dir=/Esterville.view=t -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 5:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] cat mountain for classified NWA'S Hello all. My last trade fell thru, so I'm offering this. My 4.4 gram cat mountain slice for classified NWA's. I'm looking for at least 10 to 20 gram slices. The cat mountain worth is $660.00. Let me know. This is only piece I'm trading this time. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 The Midwest Meteorite Collector! Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery
Hi Steve, I have it on good authority a monitor cannot display finer than 72 dpi. However, you can SET the dpi to anything - and apparently, 300 dpi is a good print level IF you are printing - but totally unnecessary for web viewing and increasing the dpi WOULD increase download time. In my instance, it was gif vs. jpg only. JPG is much faster. Someone may know how high is best for printing, but I always assumed it was the highest dpi obtainable. Best wishes, Michael on 10/30/02 6:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael and List, I'm not sure if this will help you or not. The photograph portion of the software I use (PhotoStudio 2000) for my meteorite website gave me the option of scanning photographs anywhere from a 75dpi resolution to 2400dpi resolution. I initially scanned the photos at about 600dpi. Little did I realize until I tried opening the website that it took many minutes for all of the pics to display. Needless to say at 600dpi, the images took up a tremendous amount of real estate. I re-scanned all of the pics again at 75dpi, and there was really no discernible difference in picture quality. The pics loaded up at least 6-7 times as fast, the website was much quicker to display...all was right with the world. Now, I don't a thing about digital cameras but I would surmise that if the cameras allowed the operator to determine the dpi / resolution, a lower resolution might work as long as it does not affect the image quality. Anyone else with a thought on this? My two dpi worth... ;-) Steven L. Sachs Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satelite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/jFYolB/TM -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Etching Portales Valley
Hello List, I have a nice 16.4g complete slice of Portales Valley with some large metal veins and fusion crust. Now I am thinkling about etching the slice to bring out the Widmanstäten pattern in the metal. Is there anything special I need to care about when etching Portales Valley? I have etched several of my iron meteorites, and even a large iron nodule in my 28g slice from the Estherville mesosiderite. But I have never etched a ordinary chondrite, so I though I rather ask... Would the experts on this list also recommend to lacquer the slice after etching? My slice is currently not covered with lacquer, and there is not the slightest amount of rust visible now. But can the acid make the iron start to rust? Is there any danger that the nitol used for etching or the alcohol used for cleaning the specimen would destroy the thin fusion crust? Thanks for your help, Herbert Raab Linz, Austria __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight?
Clam down a little Mike. Sorry, if you seen that as an attack against you Mike, it was just something I have wondered about for a while, something I have heard others wonder about as well...so I asked. I have no problem with you or Strope and I think you two have done a great jobon getting many of these African meteorite classified.Something we are all greatfull for. The fact is however, the stone was offered to most of the people that deal in moroccan meteorites and it was reportably 1278 grams. I do not know anything about the deal you and the Hupes had in morocco and I do not claim to know. Also, I have not claimed to have been to morrocco before Jan. 2001, just that I was offered the stone, as was most of the people that have purchased meteorites from morocco were offered the stone and thatI was told itwas 1278 grams.Believe it or not, you do not have to go to Morocco to purchase from there. I do not know anything about troubles you and European dealers have had and I do not think that has anything to do with me. I have sold some penthouses on eBay, like the issue with Marilyn Monroes photos, but to say that Penthouse is all I was selling a year ago is quite far fetched. I have met the Hupes on a couple occasions now and have e-mailed with them several times. I have purchasedfrom them and sold to them.They are probley the two most people excited by African meteorites and have put a lot of time, effort and money into their finds, the hobby is better off with them around I believe. When I first arrived at Blaine Reed's room in Denver, Adam took out his latest Mars rock and placed it in my hand. Being the largest piece of Mars I have ever touched I thought that was pretty cool. NWA482is a very nice meteorite and most of your investors are quite happy so I think you can consider that a success. I purchased a 0.170 gram piece from Jim Strope many months ago and am quite happy with it. It has a glass vein and a bump on the crust from a flow line, what more could you ask for in a small specimen? Not sure of any legal trouble I could get into asking a question and saying what I was told before you even had the stone. Unlike you own e-mail, I did not mention any dealer or person in a negative way. This ispossibly anerror or a misleading on a moroccan dealers part, however I do not feel wrong is asking from more information. Mark Bostick - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:05 PM To: MARK BOSTICK; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight? Wow Mark, you sure know alot for having been selling nothing but Penthouse porno mags back then. How did you see it if you have never been to Africa? That would be a neat trick. I have a sworn statement as to the weight by the man who sold it to Jim and I, sworn in front of the police in Er Rachidia Province of Morocco, filed in Rabat, Er Rachidia, and Erfoud. I have made a scan of this and will post it in a few hours to anyone who would like to see it. Mark, we all know that the rumors flew after the purchase of that rock, all coming from other dealers, most in Europe, who did not see or buy the stone, but needless to say, were not happy by Jim and I swooping in and buying up the second largest lunar meteorite ever found right from under their noses. Sounds like sour grapes to me. The Hupes are now trying to corner the market in Morocco, as they arrived there last Friday night as I was leaving Africa. In doing so, they are now it seems, trying to spread some dissent among my suppliers and customers. I hope they decide to call me ASAP while on their way back to Seattle, before I have to let out a little more damaging information tonight. Mark, you and Dean need to get help, show us all your passport that shows you were in Morocco before Jan 2001, Ill bet you cant can you? It is easy to scan or photograph, if you cant, then I suggest you not lie about any knowledge of things like that. It could get you into heavy legal trouble. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK To: Meteorite List Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight? Hello list, I am curiouswhen the lunar meteorite NWA482 was being offered around morocco it was 1278 grams and not 1015 as later reported. Most of us thought it was a eucrite and the asking price of $10.00 was too much, ala over $10,000. (Wish I would have known its real origin then). Anywaywhat happened to the other 250 grams? Was this cut off in Morocco and if so where is it now. A few small pieces were cut off in Morocco but what appeared missing was small enough that several photo angles could be taken and you not see the window or windows. So either, there is two NWA482 stones, 250 grams got lost?, or the moroccans have a very bad scale. Does anyone else know more about this? Mark
Re: [meteorite-list] Etching Portales Valley
Herbert, there is nothing special you need to do to etch Portales Valley, it etches like any other iron. You do not need to cover it with Lacquer, just take care of it in your moist environment Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Herbert Raab [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Etching Portales Valley Hello List, I have a nice 16.4g complete slice of Portales Valley with some large metal veins and fusion crust. Now I am thinkling about etching the slice to bring out the Widmanstäten pattern in the metal. Is there anything special I need to care about when etching Portales Valley? I have etched several of my iron meteorites, and even a large iron nodule in my 28g slice from the Estherville mesosiderite. But I have never etched a ordinary chondrite, so I though I rather ask... Would the experts on this list also recommend to lacquer the slice after etching? My slice is currently not covered with lacquer, and there is not the slightest amount of rust visible now. But can the acid make the iron start to rust? Is there any danger that the nitol used for etching or the alcohol used for cleaning the specimen would destroy the thin fusion crust? Thanks for your help, Herbert Raab Linz, Austria __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Passing On
Hello Sarah, I am saddened to hear of your loss. Being stuck as it were here in Savannah, I never got the chance to get to know Dave personally but knowing what little I did about him from his posts here to the list, emails we exchanged, the products he produced and his interest in things scientific, I think I would have called him a friend. His presence will be missed and you have my deepest condolences. -Walter --- Walter Branch, Ph.D. Branch Meteorites 322 Stephenson Ave., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 USA www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: MuseumStore/NatureSource [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Passing On Hello Sarah, I was so saddened to hear of your loss. I look with amazement and appreciation every day at my Periodic Table in Earth and Sky. It was obviously a labor of love. Each day I will look at it and hope you are finding strength and doing as well as can be expected. My thoughts and prayers are with you during this incredibly difficult time. With deepest sympathy Jeanne Devon -Original Message- From: Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 5:39 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] A Passing On Dear List Members, I regret to inform you that my talented and amazing husband, David L. Coleman passed away yesterday after a sudden stroke. Davids talent went beyond the scope of just loving science. With me he invented many wonderful educational posters and geolgical study sets that changed the way people at the sciences, such as astrogeology with our World Impact Maps. As most things are, his work will probably be more esteemed in death than in his short life. David was 48. I will miss him terribly. Sarah Kennedy-Coleman Jensan Scientifics/ ScienceMall-USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions
Robert, that is simple, since the purchase of this meteorite, we have been hassled in public and private by a good number of people, many on the list, in the last two years! I am simply tired of this ugly rumor raising it's head every few months. Mark posted questions, that have been answered so many times, that I am now asking him to clarify how the stone was offered to him? He had never been to Morocco, and the stone came out just a few days before I bought it. So to me it is very funny that the stone was "offered" to everyone and his grandmother. Do you see my point? Mark was never offered the stone, no oneinMorocco ever knew his name, and stilldont, so that part of his post is what I called into question. I have never had a problem with Mark, but it is pretty easy to tell who he was directing that post to. Part2. As for the Met Bul. The matter is the same as when first reported. The meteorite was purchased by a consortium of people, the hupes had the largest investment so they got the main mass., just under half. so they wanted the Bulletin updated. I feel the new one is misleading as it says that the Hupes owned the stone, the fact is that they owned, HALF the stone, the main mass. There are 10 other owners that are not mentioned. Either way, that is just semantics that the Hupes wanted. They made the change, there is no secret or surprises there. The fact of the whole matter is that I bought the stone, I have the receipt from the seller as to the weight, and the several people saw the stone in Tucson before cutting, so these rumors are nothing more than that, rumors spread by jeolous people who never owed and never even saw the stone. I sincerely hope that this clarifies everything and can put an end to this garbage. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert To: Meteorite List Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions Mike, I don't know what your personal beef is with Mr. Bostick and frankly don't care to know. Clearly you are reading a lot more into his post about NWA 482 than was present in his words. He made a statement (true or not) and asked a question. Stripping out the extraneous information about price and meteorite type, it boiled down to this: "...when the lunar meteorite NWA482 was being offered around morocco it was 1278 grams and not 1015 as later reportedwhat happened to the other 250 grams?" Your name was not mentioned once, and you were accused of nothing. And yet the mere asking of the above question drove you to threaten legal action? That is not a rational response, which is why one would have to assume there is some bad blood between you two. The sensible response would have been, "The stone weighed 1015 grams, no more -- I weighed it myself on my own scale. Based on the meteorite's shape, there's no way it could have once weighed 1278 grams and then lost 20% of its mass without it being obvious. Who is saying that it once weighed 1278 grams?" The burden of proof would then be on Mark to produceevidence, photographic or otherwise,that it ever weighed 25% more than the published TKW. As long as we're on the subject of NWA 482, perhaps you or someone else can shed some light on the entry that appears in Meteoritical Bulletin #86: "Northwest Africa 482, correction From the day the meteorite was purchased it belonged to Adam and Greg Hupe (Hupe) and they still hold the main mass. The holder of the main mass listed in the Meteoritical Bulletin, No. 85 was incorrect." The first sentence of the listing in Meteoritical Bulletin #85 for NWA 482 was, "A 1015 g stone was purchased on 2001 January 10 in Alnif, Morocco, by Michael Farmer." The last sentence reads, "Specimens: half of the main mass is with Farmer; type specimens, 24 g, UCLA, and 18 g, UAz." So, we're all left wondering: who REALLY owns (or perhaps by now "owned") the main mass of NWA 482? Just so we're clear, there are no accusations here, only questions. Anyone reading the Meteoritical Bulletins should be just as perplexed as I. --Rob
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions
The first sentence of the listing in Meteoritical Bulletin #85 for NWA 482 was, A 1015 g stone was purchased on 2001 January 10 in Alnif, Morocco, by Michael Farmer. The last sentence reads, Specimens: half of the main mass is with Farmer; type specimens, 24 g, UCLA, and 18 g, UAz. So, we're all left wondering: who REALLY owns (or perhaps by now owned) the main mass of NWA 482? Hello Mark, Rob, and all At the risk of stepping into the middle of a bar fight here is what I know. I saw the stone in Tucson when Mike Farmer returned. At the time it was complete, whole and uncut except for a couple small chips which can be seen in the photos. It weighed 1015 grams. I was the one that cut it into slices for passing out to the various investors. A large end cut was left uncut. It weighed about 320 grams as I recall. This large end cut went to the Hupes as they were the largest investor and this was their share of the purchase. So the bulletin was correct on both accounts, Mike Farmer did purchase the stone in Jan 2001 and at the time of the classification had posession of the whole stone except for what had been send to UCLA and the U of Arizona. After the distribution the Hupes were the owners of the largest piece. Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions
Hello all, Rob asked: So, we're all left wondering: who REALLY owns (or perhaps by now owned) the main mass of NWA 482? Just so we're clear, there are no accusations here, only questions. Anyone reading the Meteoritical Bulletins should be just as perplexed as I. --Rob The website set up by the Hupes, www.lunarrock.com, covers this. The main mass is 312 grams, is owned by the Hupes, and I believe it is still on display at the University of Washington in Seattle. Hope this helps. Incidently, several photos of the meteorite prior to cutting are displayed on the above mentioned website. A small window maybe the size of a dime is present. Certainly 250 grams was not lost. I suspect the 1278 gram figure Mark alluded to came from the sellers antique postal scale. Guess there are sellers weights and buyers weights. Either that or the broken scale Mark salvaged from the trash last year in Tucson was used ;-) Regards, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight?
Mark, do you see my point, that out of the blue people keep dredging this up. This has gone on for too long. I have heard all of the rumors, and many more, such as that we never paid for the stone, we stole it, I went to jail in Morocco (Your bud Bessey posted that one) etc etc etc. See Mark? I dont like people saying such things. You claim to have been offered the stone, I do not believe that at all, only one other person saw that meteorite before we bought it. He was a German buyer. I just want to get this out once and for all Mark, your email hit me by surprise that is for sure. Let's continue to be friends, I have always considered you a friend, and hope that you will not help to spread and propagate rumors. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK To: Michael Farmer ; Meteorite List Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight? Clam down a little Mike. Sorry, if you seen that as an attack against you Mike, it was just something I have wondered about for a while, something I have heard others wonder about as well...so I asked. I have no problem with you or Strope and I think you two have done a great jobon getting many of these African meteorite classified.Something we are all greatfull for. The fact is however, the stone was offered to most of the people that deal in moroccan meteorites and it was reportably 1278 grams. I do not know anything about the deal you and the Hupes had in morocco and I do not claim to know. Also, I have not claimed to have been to morrocco before Jan. 2001, just that I was offered the stone, as was most of the people that have purchased meteorites from morocco were offered the stone and thatI was told itwas 1278 grams.Believe it or not, you do not have to go to Morocco to purchase from there. I do not know anything about troubles you and European dealers have had and I do not think that has anything to do with me. I have sold some penthouses on eBay, like the issue with Marilyn Monroes photos, but to say that Penthouse is all I was selling a year ago is quite far fetched. I have met the Hupes on a couple occasions now and have e-mailed with them several times. I have purchasedfrom them and sold to them.They are probley the two most people excited by African meteorites and have put a lot of time, effort and money into their finds, the hobby is better off with them around I believe. When I first arrived at Blaine Reed's room in Denver, Adam took out his latest Mars rock and placed it in my hand. Being the largest piece of Mars I have ever touched I thought that was pretty cool. NWA482is a very nice meteorite and most of your investors are quite happy so I think you can consider that a success. I purchased a 0.170 gram piece from Jim Strope many months ago and am quite happy with it. It has a glass vein and a bump on the crust from a flow line, what more could you ask for in a small specimen? Not sure of any legal trouble I could get into asking a question and saying what I was told before you even had the stone. Unlike you own e-mail, I did not mention any dealer or person in a negative way. This ispossibly anerror or a misleading on a moroccan dealers part, however I do not feel wrong is asking from more information. Mark Bostick - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:05 PM To: MARK BOSTICK; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight? Wow Mark, you sure know alot for having been selling nothing but Penthouse porno mags back then. How did you see it if you have never been to Africa? That would be a neat trick. I have a sworn statement as to the weight by the man who sold it to Jim and I, sworn in front of the police in Er Rachidia Province of Morocco, filed in Rabat, Er Rachidia, and Erfoud. I have made a scan of this and will post it in a few hours to anyone who would like to see it. Mark, we all know that the rumors flew after the purchase of that rock, all coming from other dealers, most in Europe, who did not see or buy the stone, but needless to say, were not happy by Jim and I swooping in and buying up the second largest lunar meteorite ever found right from under their noses. Sounds like sour grapes to me. The Hupes are now trying to corner the market in Morocco, as they arrived there last Friday night as I was leaving Africa. In doing so, they are now it seems, trying to spread some dissent among my suppliers and customers. I hope they decide to call me ASAP while on their way back to Seattle, before I have to let out a little more damaging information tonight. Mark, you and Dean need to get help, show us all your passport that
[meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions
Hi Mike, Robert, that is simple, since the purchase of this meteorite, we have been hassled in public and private by a good number of people, many on the list, in the last two years! I am simply tired of this ugly rumor raising it's head every few months. Mark posted questions, that have been answered so many times, that I am now asking him to clarify how the stone was offered to him? I understand. Reading through all my filed emails on the subject of NWA 482 over the last year and a half, I can see how frustrating it is to have to keep answering the same dumb questions again and again. The statement about a different, larger, mass was not one I had seen before, though, so I thought that it would require just a simple response. Fortunately, the meteorite had a rather distinct shape, and there is no possible way that it could have at one time been 25% heavier than its reported weight without it looking likea peanut. So I think a good, if terse, response would have been, "Anyone who says this meteorite once weighed 1278 grams obviously never saw it while it was whole." As for the Met Bul. The matter is the same as when first reported. The meteorite was purchased by a consortium of people, the hupes had the largest investment so they got the main mass., just under half. so they wanted the Bulletin updated. I feel the new one is misleading as it says that the Hupes owned the stone, the fact is that they owned, HALF the stone, the main mass. There are 10 other owners that are not mentioned. Either way, that is just semantics that the Hupes wanted. They made the change, there is no secret or surprises there. In light of what the Hupes report on theirown website about the acquisition of the stone, I have to agree with you that the new wording is even more misleading than theoriginal. "From the day the meteorite was purchased it belonged to Adam and Greg Hupe (Hupe)" This statement is patently false, and I'm surprised that the Meteoritical Society would allow it. That's the main reason I said I was confused by the incompatible wordings of Met. Bull. 85 and 86. Best wishes, Rob
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions
Hello List, Thank you Eric for your straight answer. I am sure many others had heard the same thing so if Iwas wrong for bringing it up, I apologize. Also I would like to add to Mike, that my e-mail was not meant as an attack on you and I did not mean it to come off that way, if it did. There have been many rumors n the NWA482, this one I had heard several times so I was wondering and what better place to ask then the list? I am going to drop all of this, not that I was trying to start anything, for the benifit of the list. Now to comment on Frank's e-mail "Either that or the broken scale Mark salvaged from the trash last year in Tucson" I forgot about that scale. That was funny. A scale of mine broke in Tuscon so we went out and purchased another one locally. During the last weekend of the meteorite part of the show, the Arizona Scale Police came by. Even though the scale was in the trash and broken, it was not an authorized scale. So they pulled it out of the trash and put a label on it that said among other things, that I could not dispose of the scale. So I couldn't throw it away legally in Arizona. Figure that one out. Mark - Original Message - From: fcressy Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:43 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions Hello all,Rob asked:So, we're all left wondering: who REALLY owns (or perhaps by now"owned") the main mass of NWA 482? Just so we're clear, there are noaccusations here, only questions. Anyone reading the MeteoriticalBulletins should be just as perplexed as I. --RobThe website set up by the Hupes, www.lunarrock.com, covers this. The mainmass is 312 grams, is owned by the Hupes, and I believe it is still ondisplay at the University of Washington in Seattle.Hope this helps.Incidently, several photos of the meteorite prior to cutting are displayedon the above mentioned website. A small window maybe the size of a dime ispresent. Certainly 250 grams was not lost. I suspect the 1278 gram figureMark alluded to came from the sellers antique postal scale. Guess there aresellers weights and buyers weights. Either that or the broken scale Marksalvaged from the trash last year in Tucson was used ;-)Regards,Frank__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight?
Mike, I read Mark's posting and can't see why you are concerned and especially why you think your integrity has been challenged. I think all he is asking is if there is another ~250 grams out there. Am I missing something? With Respect, Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight? I certainly agree with you Bernd, Sarah's loss is a tragedy, and rocks in the big scheme of things, mean nothing. But you must admit, what Mark posted was a huge attack at my integrity? If you think that can be ignored like all the other useless attacks, you are mistaken. I take no pleasure in posting this to the list, but If you go back over the years, you will NEVER find a post from me so much as hinting at any animosity towards Mark Bostick. Why he hit me today is beyond my comprehension. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight? before I have to let out a little more damaging information tonight. Please, don't. It does not quite fit into the sympathies and condolences we are expressing for the sad loss of another list member. Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight?
Mike, I think my other emails explained that clearly. As you all on this list know, I am a passionate person and tend to get riled up pretty easy. That is my personality trait, and I cannot change it. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: tett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight? Mike, I read Mark's posting and can't see why you are concerned and especially why you think your integrity has been challenged. I think all he is asking is if there is another ~250 grams out there. Am I missing something? With Respect, Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight? I certainly agree with you Bernd, Sarah's loss is a tragedy, and rocks in the big scheme of things, mean nothing. But you must admit, what Mark posted was a huge attack at my integrity? If you think that can be ignored like all the other useless attacks, you are mistaken. I take no pleasure in posting this to the list, but If you go back over the years, you will NEVER find a post from me so much as hinting at any animosity towards Mark Bostick. Why he hit me today is beyond my comprehension. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA482 Total Weight? before I have to let out a little more damaging information tonight. Please, don't. It does not quite fit into the sympathies and condolences we are expressing for the sad loss of another list member. Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions answered
I couldn't have put it better myself Rob. thanks Mike - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions answered Thanks Eric for the very succinct explanation. It puts to bed pretty much every issue about this amazing stone: 1. The mass was 1015 g, minus very small chips that could not have totalled anywhere near 250 grams. The 1278 g figure is erroneous. At best it is the weight of some other totally unrelated Moroccan meteorite. 2. Mike purchased NWA 482 in Morocco on behalf of many investors. 3. The Hupes provided the largest fractional share of investment capital, and thus received the main mass -- roughly 30% of the meteorite. Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions
He he, I never heard that story, but that is a good one. yep, Tucson is getting horrible when it comes to scales and the Gem show. Pathetic if you ask me. You should see the Moroccan scales, old levers with hand-made lead weights with gram weights on them. The oldest scam in the book, overweighing produce. That is why I now have left 2 digital scales in Morocco permanantly to have them when I am there, you should see the hassles trying to take digital scales through customs! If you want to use Moroccan scales, good luck and God be with you. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK To: fcressy ; Meteorite List Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions Hello List, Thank you Eric for your straight answer. I am sure many others had heard the same thing so if Iwas wrong for bringing it up, I apologize. Also I would like to add to Mike, that my e-mail was not meant as an attack on you and I did not mean it to come off that way, if it did. There have been many rumors n the NWA482, this one I had heard several times so I was wondering and what better place to ask then the list? I am going to drop all of this, not that I was trying to start anything, for the benifit of the list. Now to comment on Frank's e-mail "Either that or the broken scale Mark salvaged from the trash last year in Tucson" I forgot about that scale. That was funny. A scale of mine broke in Tuscon so we went out and purchased another one locally. During the last weekend of the meteorite part of the show, the Arizona Scale Police came by. Even though the scale was in the trash and broken, it was not an authorized scale. So they pulled it out of the trash and put a label on it that said among other things, that I could not dispose of the scale. So I couldn't throw it away legally in Arizona. Figure that one out. Mark - Original Message - From: fcressy Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:43 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions Hello all,Rob asked:So, we're all left wondering: who REALLY owns (or perhaps by now"owned") the main mass of NWA 482? Just so we're clear, there are noaccusations here, only questions. Anyone reading the MeteoriticalBulletins should be just as perplexed as I. --RobThe website set up by the Hupes, www.lunarrock.com, covers this. The mainmass is 312 grams, is owned by the Hupes, and I believe it is still ondisplay at the University of Washington in Seattle.Hope this helps.Incidently, several photos of the meteorite prior to cutting are displayedon the above mentioned website. A small window maybe the size of a dime ispresent. Certainly 250 grams was not lost. I suspect the 1278 gram figureMark alluded to came from the sellers antique postal scale. Guess there aresellers weights and buyers weights. Either that or the broken scale Marksalvaged from the trash last year in Tucson was used ;-)Regards,Frank__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Passing On
Sarah and Family, My deepest condolences for you and your family at this time. Steven L. Sachs __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery
Screen resolution for a Macintosh computer is 72 dpi, and for a PC is 75 dpi. You don't need to set the resolution of your image to anything higher than that. It will not look any better, and if on a web page it will just take longer to download. To print an image, set the resolution to double the screen lines (linature) at which you are going to print (usually 300 dpi is more than enough for high resolution printing of continuos tone images = photographs) anything more than that is just a waste. An image at a resolution of 72 dpi will never print right, that's why web image are useless for printing. If you want to have the best of both worlds, display the 72 dpi picture on your web page and link it to a higher resolution image (the 300 dpi one) that will only load if you click on it. Meteorites is just a passtime as I walk the arid dessert on the south coast of Peru hunting for fossils and shark teeths (mainly Megalodon's and Great White's), my real job is as a graphic designer for commercial printing and web design. My 2 cents. Javier Castagnetto Lima, Peru De: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:32:46 -0800 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Hi Steve, I have it on good authority a monitor cannot display finer than 72 dpi. However, you can SET the dpi to anything - and apparently, 300 dpi is a good print level IF you are printing - but totally unnecessary for web viewing and increasing the dpi WOULD increase download time. In my instance, it was gif vs. jpg only. JPG is much faster. Someone may know how high is best for printing, but I always assumed it was the highest dpi obtainable. Best wishes, Michael on 10/30/02 6:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael and List, I'm not sure if this will help you or not. The photograph portion of the software I use (PhotoStudio 2000) for my meteorite website gave me the option of scanning photographs anywhere from a 75dpi resolution to 2400dpi resolution. I initially scanned the photos at about 600dpi. Little did I realize until I tried opening the website that it took many minutes for all of the pics to display. Needless to say at 600dpi, the images took up a tremendous amount of real estate. I re-scanned all of the pics again at 75dpi, and there was really no discernible difference in picture quality. The pics loaded up at least 6-7 times as fast, the website was much quicker to display...all was right with the world. Now, I don't a thing about digital cameras but I would surmise that if the cameras allowed the operator to determine the dpi / resolution, a lower resolution might work as long as it does not affect the image quality. Anyone else with a thought on this? My two dpi worth... ;-) Steven L. Sachs Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satelite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/jFYolB/TM -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] bottom line nwa482
hello list hello all. nwa482 ,,to be or not to be??? ,,this is the question???. this week i was visited by mike farmer and jim stroope jim stroope is a good mature sage guy.sincerly they ask me in my house what you have for sell i show them what i have , include what you bought from me. mike apoligises to have attack me in the list ; he told me i do not want that amerecains come and buy in morroco but i have to much respect for habibi. i sad to jim stroope you are a respectable guy and i have a lot of respect for you, and i will not answer mike farmer in the list. i m the kind of guy who respect first himself. i do not fight in the road , and i will not fall down in the street, for dollars. i forget everything while many dealers asked me stone upfront to send stone and to get money later . ididnt answer, why i m a third world dealers no one can believe me , i put ouzina wich is real and they told me its not ouzina. a week later adam and greg hupe visited in erfoud with mr donahue from portland a writer from outside us magasine and asked me what hapenned i say i do not know its may be some storys. he told me your ouzina was true and you others stone was perfect and its advertising you to make you fall down. i sad i have many good collectors friend and it working well. he told me that you are going to be pubelished in this magasine for a millions copies. i sad why im a poor guy what for. he told me here is a problem. what do you think nwa482 was 1015gr or more i sad all the dealers sad it was 1278gr and mike payed 13000$ 10$ per gr. this is exactley the wiegth. all the dealer of morroco sad ir was 1278 gr from amouri he sad i asked mike 10$ to falsifecate the document , mike gived me 6500$ to falsifecate the document. amouri was riped of before as they promess to amouri a bonus that he never get. mike was in my house with jim and i get dinner with them , they never told me abaout that. the hupe brother come to erfoud , hello habibi welcome what hapennd i sad here is all the dealer ask yourself. all the dealer sad mike was falsifieng document with med. the writer donahue heard all the story and it was to late to resolve any. i sad to greg hupe please , its too bad for morroco this story and he sad , i want the justice for all the investors. i could not say anything else. the writer told me did mike told you anything abaout nwa482 i sad its not posssible the hupe brother are my friend however we have a problem of account; mike know that they was my friend.he could not asked me that. adam hupe told me in my house , we do not want to have trouble( adam is the best collecetors i ever know he is fair and honnest and i have lurn with him stones)). but mike has stoled us and we are going to take him to court of justice. we spend a night with this incredible writer it was to late to resolve anything, all the morrocan dealer had sad it was 1278gr. i told greg , hey man , its possible by geothecnique to reconsturct the stone and then to put in a a graduate cubique cm3 box and make the diffrence and multiplie by the density , you have all the mass.by exact gr. he told me scinetist are doing the same. i told to greg all this is too bad for morroco, and for us he told me its time to explain to collectors the thrued. i sad mike was with me last week he was stressed but ididnt understand , in real all the story i heard from nomade collectors and all the rest from lats year by mistake i told the hupe brother nwa482 was 1278 gr where is the rest they told me how, and i close it up i stoped as i ididnt understand. i know that amouri sad it was 1278 gr the guy who sell it to mike . i konw that sallem brahim sell it for 1278 gr. i know that aid sad it was1278 gr i know that i have it for a month , i was playing golf with??. its an unresolved question. scientist must do more. if you take a stone iregular and you want to have volume cm3 you put in a gradute cm3 box water and you make the difrence. this what i heard i have nothing against anyone. nwa482 is 99% 1278 gr scientist can proofe that. i think that i have a responsbilty of the trued agains this list this what i think its up to scientist to make the difrence. all the best habibi nb: its up to mike to proofe if its true or not , how??? _ Gagne une PS2 ! Envoie un SMS avec le code PS au 61166 (0,35 Hors coût du SMS)
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite's Location Found In Siberia
Hi Ron and all, Ron Baalke wrote: I once took a number of meteorites to a store that sold metal detectors to test out. I tried out various types meteorites with about a dozen different metal detectors. They all had no problem with the irons and stony-irons. However, all of the metal detectors had problems detecting stony meteorites. I had to play with the detectors to fine-tune it to a particular stony meteorite, but once it was fined tuned for one meteorite, it would tend to ignore a lot of the other stony meteorites. I have been to metal detector clubs, talking about meteorites and what Ron has said rings true when we have experimented with various detectors on various stony meteorites. It seems that you can peak them for certain stones but then others won't register. Perhaps there is some detector that can be useful over a wider range but I think hunting by eyesight (and on hoof) may well still be the best method. Nininger once said, any considerable search over a considerable area WILL yield a meteorite. The more eyes, hands and feet you can get out there hunting the better your chances of finding material. All my best! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fwd: [meteorite-list] Tough day...bottom line nwa482
To the list, I don't know about everyone else, but I'm having to take some deep breaths getting through these postings. First, we lose a fellow meteorite-list member, colleague, and that in itself should give us all time to pause and reflect. Second, is the deal that tanked with Steve Arnold, and it's aftermath with another list member. Third, is the exchange regarding the NWA 482, and now this posting which, if it reads correctly, poses some extremely damaging information, which I frankly think should have been posted a bit more privately---or at the very least, put on the back burner for a short time. All this on Halloween. Damn! This day is going to be one tough-mother to close out on a more upbeat note. Here's Hoping and Praying for a better day tomarrow to all list members Steven L. Sachs IMCA # 9210 ---BeginMessage--- hello list hello all. nwa482 ,,to be or not to be??? ,,this is the question???. this week i was visited by mike farmer and jim stroope jim stroope is a good mature sage guy.sincerly they ask me in my house what you have for sell i show them what i have , include what you bought from me. mike apoligises to have attack me in the list ; he told me i do not want that amerecains come and buy in morroco but i have to much respect for habibi. i sad to jim stroope you are a respectable guy and i have a lot of respect for you, and i will not answer mike farmer in the list. i m the kind of guy who respect first himself. i do not fight in the road , and i will not fall down in the street, for dollars. i forget everything while many dealers asked me stone upfront to send stone and to get money later . ididnt answer, why i m a third world dealers no one can believe me , i put ouzina wich is real and they told me its not ouzina. a week later adam and greg hupe visited in erfoud with mr donahue from portland a writer from outside us magasine and asked me what hapenned i say i do not know its may be some storys. he told me your ouzina was true and you others stone was perfect and its advertising you to make you fall down. i sad i have many good collectors friend and it working well. he told me that you are going to be pubelished in this magasine for a millions copies. i sad why im a poor guy what for. he told me here is a problem. what do you think nwa482 was 1015gr or more i sad all the dealers sad it was 1278gr and mike payed 13000$ 10$ per gr. this is exactley the wiegth. all the dealer of morroco sad ir was 1278 gr from amouri he sad i asked mike 10$ to falsifecate the document , mike gived me 6500$ to falsifecate the document. amouri was riped of before as they promess to amouri a bonus that he never get. mike was in my house with jim and i get dinner with them , they never told me abaout that. the hupe brother come to erfoud , hello habibi welcome what hapennd i sad here is all the dealer ask yourself. all the dealer sad mike was falsifieng document with med. the writer donahue heard all the story and it was to late to resolve any. i sad to greg hupe please , its too bad for morroco this story and he sad , i want the justice for all the investors. i could not say anything else. the writer told me did mike told you anything abaout nwa482 i sad its not posssible the hupe brother are my friend however we have a problem of account; mike know that they was my friend.he could not asked me that. adam hupe told me in my house , we do not want to have trouble( adam is the best collecetors i ever know he is fair and honnest and i have lurn with him stones)). but mike has stoled us and we are going to take him to court of justice. we spend a night with this incredible writer it was to late to resolve anything, all the morrocan dealer had sad it was 1278gr. i told greg , hey man , its possible by geothecnique to reconsturct the stone and then to put in a a graduate cubique cm3 box and make the diffrence and multiplie by the density , you have all the mass.by exact gr. he told me scinetist are doing the same. i told to greg all this is too bad for morroco, and for us he told me its time to explain to collectors the thrued. i sad mike was with me last week he was stressed but ididnt understand , in real all the story i heard from nomade collectors and all the rest from lats year by mistake i told the hupe brother nwa482 was 1278 gr where is the rest they told me how, and i close it up i stoped as i ididnt understand. i know that amouri sad it was 1278 gr the guy who sell it to mike . i konw that sallem brahim sell it for 1278 gr. i know that aid sad it was1278 gr i know that i have it for a month , i was playing golf with??. its an unresolved question. scientist must do more. if you take a stone iregular and you want to have volume cm3 you put in a gradute cm3 box water and you make the difrence. this what i heard i have nothing against anyone. nwa482 is 99% 1278 gr scientist can proofe that. i think that i have a
[meteorite-list] membrane and small holders
Hi there list. Could someone please tell me where I can buy membrane or small holders for my micro/macro collection? steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 The Midwest Meteorite Collector! Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Fwd: [meteorite-list] Tough day...bottom line nwa482
hello list hello steven i agree with you its not the day, my sincer condoleances for sarah and his family. steven , what i sad today will be published next week in the outssiking us magasine. mr donahue has heard everthing , there is nothing to save. i tryed in morroco , to told him no , no way nothing. he is asking only bad question. did he ask abaout meteorite , no; ididnt understand , why a writer come from usa to write abaout this garbage, why not abaout the stone. its just to crasy . he was serious enough to understand that he will write and publish everthing. i met him very late in the day, he has spend already two days in the desert with dealers and nomade. no matter how , no way. what is done is already done. he know everthing, and you will see in one week or two you will read what he wrote. again my sincer condoleances for sarah and all the meteorite comunity. habibi ---Message d'origine--- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date : 01/11/102 04:23:36 To the list, I don't know about everyone else, but I'm having to take some deep breaths getting through these postings. First, we lose a fellow meteorite-list member, colleague, and that in itself should give us all time to pause and reflect. Second, is the deal that tanked with Steve Arnold, and it's aftermath with another list member. Third, is the exchange regarding the NWA 482, and now this posting which, if it reads correctly, poses some extremely damaging information, which I frankly think should have been posted a bit more privately---or at the very least, put on the back burner for a short time. All this on Halloween. Damn! This day is going to be one tough-mother to close out on a more upbeat note. Here's Hoping and Praying for a better day tomarrow to all list members Steven L. Sachs IMCA # 9210 hello list hello all. nwa482 ,,to be or not to be??? ,,this is the question???. this week i was visited by mike farmer and jim stroope jim stroope is a good mature sage guy.sincerly they ask me in my house what you have for sell i show them what i have , include what you bought from me. mike apoligises to have attack me in the list ; he told me i do not want that amerecains come and buy in morroco but i have to much respect for habibi. i sad to jim stroope you are a respectable guy and i have a lot of respect for you, and i will not answer mike farmer in the list. i m the kind of guy who respect first himself. i do not fight in the road , and i will not fall down in the street, for dollars. i forget everything while many dealers asked me stone upfront to send stone and to get money later . ididnt answer, why i m a third world dealers no one can believe me , i put ouzina wich is real and they told me its not ouzina. a week later adam and greg hupe visited in erfoud with mr donahue from portland a writer from outside us magasine and asked me what hapenned i say i do not know its may be some storys. he told me your ouzina was true and you others stone was perfect and its advertising you to make you fall down. i sad i have many good collectors friend and it working well. he told me that you are going to be pubelished in this magasine for a millions copies. i sad why im a poor guy what for. he told me here is a problem. what do you think nwa482 was 1015gr or more i sad all the dealers sad it was 1278gr and mike payed 13000$ 10$ per gr. this is exactley the wiegth. all the dealer of morroco sad ir was 1278 gr from amouri he sad i asked mike 10$ to falsifecate the document , mike gived me 6500$ to falsifecate the document. amouri was riped of before as they promess to amouri a bonus that he never get. mike was in my house with jim and i get dinner with them , they never told me abaout that. the hupe brother come to erfoud , hello habibi welcome what hapennd i sad here is all the dealer ask yourself. all the dealer sad mike was falsifieng document with med. the writer donahue heard all the story and it was to late to resolve any. i sad to greg hupe please , its too bad for morroco this story and he sad , i want the justice for all the investors. i could not say anything else. the writer told me did mike told you anything abaout nwa482 i sad its not posssible the hupe brother are my friend however we have a problem of account; mike know that they was my friend.he could not asked me that. adam hupe told me in my house , we do not want to have trouble( adam is the best collecetors i ever know he is fair and honnest and i have lurn with him stones)). but mike has stoled us and we are going to take him to court of justice. we spend a night with this incredible writer it was to late to resolve anything, all the morrocan dealer had sad it was 1278gr. i told greg , hey man , its possible by geothecnique to reconsturct the stone and then to put in a a graduate cubique cm3 box and make the diffrence and multiplie by the density , you have all the mass.by exact
[meteorite-list] RECTIFICATION NWA 482.
hello list when i sad that ; that mean that amouri sad mike gived him 6500$. not to me habibi. mike never talk to me about nwa482, and has never say anthing abaout that. what i repeort here is what the daelers sad , not me. i hope i m clear , mike never talk to me abaout that and never propose money to me. its a confusion, amouri sad that. not me.HABIBI from amouri he sad i asked mike 10$ to falsifecate the document , mike gived me(this mean amouri)? 6500$ to falsifecate the document. amouri was riped of before as they promess to amouri a bonus that he never get _ Gagne une PS2 ! Envoie un SMS avec le code PS au 61166 (0,35 Hors coût du SMS)
Re: [meteorite-list] A Passing On
In a message dated 10/31/2002 7:50:15 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will miss him terribly. Sarah Kennedy-Coleman Sarah, I am sure we will all miss him. I thought maybe, in about a month, I would get another cryptic e-mail from Dave trying to buying a piece of jewelry from me, without you finding out. And I was already looking forward to seeing both of you again in Tucson, and maybe finding the time to talk a bit longer. And now it won't be. I looked through my pictures and I found this one, taken in February 2000, in Tucson, at the Birthday Party. I moved it to this address on my site, for all the list members who never had the occasion to meet Dave: www.impactika.com/SarahDave.jpg Take care of yourself. Sincerely. Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Archive: (meteorobs) Meteoroid heating: Ram pressure, friction or both?
The following FWD messages are for archival purposes, and as a reference for the FAQ web page: -- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:25:43 -0500 From: Lew Gramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (meteorobs) Meteoroid heating: Ram pressure, friction or both? I had the pleasure to browse an excellent page today by Dr. Phil Plait, Webmaster principle debunker of the revered http://badastronomy.com . In particular, I followed a link found on Joe Rao's interesting site 10 confounding cosmic questions, at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/825959.asp?pne=msn (This is a great site, by the way, Joe! And as we'd expect from Joe, comets, artificial satellites, and meteor showers all figure among the cosmic questions!) From there I got to Dr. Plait's Top 5 Cosmic Myths: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/top5_myths_020903-1.html The Good News (:) is that TWO of Phil's top 5 myths have to do with meteors and meteorites. The particular one that sparked my email today is Myth # 4, entitled Meteors are heated by friction as they pass through the atmosphere. (Again, this is labeled a Myth!) In that page, Phil states, In reality, it isn't friction, but *ram pressure* that heats meteoroids. When a gas is compressed it gets hot, like when a bicycle pump is vigorously used to inflate a tire. A meteoroid, moving at 33,500 mph (15 kilometers a second) or more compresses the air in front of it violently. The air itself gets very hot, which is what heats the meteoroid. That's fact, not friction. What a fine pun! :) But on to that QUESTION: I can recall reading in Oepik's Physics of Meteor Flight in the Atmosphere, that the formation of a pocket of compressed air under a meteoroid critically de- pends on the SIZE (cross-section) of that particle: below a certain cross-section, the particle would in fact (per Professor O) NOT create it's own air shield, and so would be directly impacted by air molecules throughout it's flight... And of course, we can assume that particles which are JUST large enough to form air shields, might still experience occasional but significant direct molecule impacts. So the question is, Which is really more important for the average *visible* meteor: the ram pressure Phil describes so well, or direct impact friction? Last but not least, I noticed that Phil specially mentions the figure 15 km/s or more, as the point at which ram pressure will cause rapid heating. Is this in fact some sort of theoretical cutoff? I.e., for meteoroids moving at 11-14 km/s (like those of Summer's June Bootids), is the physics different? (I know, I know: three weeks before the Leonids is not the BEST time to bring this up... But I was so curious - and I thought some of us could use a wee break from Leonid fever for a while, anyway. :) Clear skies and happy pondering! Lew Gramer (GRALE), IMO, NAMN Webmaster: http://www.meteorobs.org Webmaster: http://www.visualdeepsky.org Assistant: http://www.namnmeteors.org The archive and Web site for our list is at http://www.meteorobs.org -- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:53:45 -0700 From: Jim and Jan Gamble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (meteorobs) Meteoroid heating: Ram pressure, friction or both? May we entertain the theory that many meteors illuminate our skies in much the same fashion as good old lightning. Think about it, calculations as to how much visible energy can be released due to heating of a spec of dust no bigger than that of the head of a straight pin frequently don't match up with how much light is actually emitted. Can heat alone really cause a rock to burn brighter than our sun. Electrical discharges are among the brightest visible energy sources in the universe. This certainly is not to say heat is not involved, but is it heat ALONE? Regards, Jim Gamble El Paso, Tx Station-Sandia Meteor Detection Network All Sky Camera System 31.47N 106.18W [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/desert_lights The archive and Web site for our list is at http://www.meteorobs.org -- __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
